Ameera Ali Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 If their ship sail , they will be lucky if they had one day alone , maybe take him camping for month the only option Dream : how they date night will be v Reality: How the reality will be 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40somethingahjumma Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 4 hours ago, Peace_Love said: Sorry to cut your post above. I know you do not mean "Reply 88 baggage" in any negative way, but I have to admit it hurts a bit to see it used in that context. I have seen all the Reply series and Prison Playbook. Loved Prison Playbook (seen it many times) and out of Reply, '88 will always be held close to my heart. It is true that the "husband-hunting" was the forefront of the story for most of the viewers, but the impression of it as just that is sad to me. It was also a story about the love between family, friends and neighbors. The writer's knack of quirky humor and stirring up nostalgia was also present there too. In terms of romance, it was not just between the young friends. There were also second chances for the elder folks too. Those were all the things I loved about '88. I did mean it in a negative way. As far as I can tell, you're a rare one. And you're right, there was a lot more about Reply 88 than the husband hunt. I watched about 4 or 5 episodes and dropped it because it wasn't my cup of tea even though I grew up in the 80s a teenager. A lot of things about the show didn't work for me. (However I'm a huge fan of Prison Playbook) But if you read comments about Reply 88 all around the web, it's the identity of the husband that people dwell on and lament over. That's the reality. I'm only commenting on that. I don't know how long you've been for following this thread but I've never denied that there are possibilities beyond what we've been given. I even accept a possible IJ-Songhwa endgame despite preferring Capt Ahn personally in this situation. However possibilities have to occur within reason also. I certainly don't agree that "anything can happen." in a blanket, sweeping sort of way. For example: Why aren't there large numbers of people trying to pair up Song-hwa and Seok-min, the other NS resident as well because they spend a lot of time together? For me it's because they have a completely different dynamic. And SM hasn't been shown to demonstrate interest in Song-hwa romantically. Why not Seok-hyeon and Song-hwa because the show started off with them? The list goes on. Every show has its own internal logic. Yes, possibilities exist but they can't be so random that it destroys the show's own world building and thematic structure. (Of course many badly written shows often end up doing this to everyone's annoyance and sometimes amusement) Even with Reply 88 there were only 2 real contenders as far as I can tell. But what my beef really is... is that many fans of PD Shin and this writer are spending more time and energy concerned about other possibilities while brushing off what's already been given because they are expecting some kind of twist in the horizon. My contention is that many unexpected situations have already occurred and we should look to them to guide us in how we think about the show. People tell me that I shouldn't discount other possibilities because of the writer's oeuvre. I don't by the way. But what if the writer wants to do something s/he or has never done before? For instance Jasper Fforde has written a couple of series that are internationally beloved. But he has also written standalone works that have no bearing on the Tuesday Week or Nursery Crime series. I think the fear among Reply fans is real as evidenced in this thread. No one wants to invest in the here and now because they keep worrying about the heartaches that could arise. Why is that? I don't understand it. There are no prizes for being right or punitive measures for being wrong. I find myself clashing with the fans of the Reply series because I don't take the writer's previous works as a guide for understanding this one. Even though I'm an avid fan of Prison Playbook, I don't use it to understand this show either even though there are obvious stylistic similarities. PP has very little romance, celebrates male camaraderie in humourous, heartwarming ways. Yes, yes... the writers are different but it is helmed by the same director. As I've said previously, I'm a really simple-minded viewer. I go with what I see and hear. If I'm going to do any speculation, it's based on what I already know not based on what I don't know. Anyway... I need to go away now and shut up about it. 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ameera Ali Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 # My life since I joined the shipping **it’s damn hard to choose 3 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizen68 Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 I don't do analyzes based on things like this. Because most of my assumptions and theories are more likely based on instincts and feelings. But since this analysis justifies all of those assumptions, including Song Hwa liked Jun Wan (Except the part that Jeong Won likes Jun Wan, I didn't think of that), so I provide it here. I'm not good in the Korean language. So this is just my rough translation, and I added with my analysis. I just found it recently. Korean netizen posted it on Twitter said that this composition was unique. And everyone claimed that Aloha's song was their favorite, which interpreted each of them felt unrequited love. Reference to aloha song = unrequited love & Figure composition = Love line composition. 1。 At first, four people are separated. Each does their own work. I interpret it as they didn't know each other before. 2. Jun Wan is the last person who came to Song Hwa's room (as in my previous analysis, Jun Wan was not interested / didn't like Song Hwa's presence in the shed). When Jun Wan finally entered the room, the composition changed. Jeong Won, who is sitting next to Jun Wan, takes care of Jeong Won's food. According to this theory, Jeong Won likes Jun Wan. I also heard that there might be a gay among of them. As Shin-PD has been known for presenting gay characters in his previous dramas (reply 1994, prison playbook) 3. Song Hwa approaches the group after Jun Wan came, and she gives him a glass of coffee to Jun Wan. And according to this theory, Song Hwa liked Jun Wan. 4. Ikjun doesn't get stuck and only sat there; he is hit by Song Hwa (Interpretation: Ik Jun liked Song Hwa), and after that, he stays apart and goes towards Seok Hyung. Seok Hyung himself is lying down on the bed and doesn't seem enthusiastic. An interpretation that Seok Hyung was desperate and Ik Jun was beside him during that time. [Confirmed] 5. From Song Hwa's position, Seok Hyung is someone she doesn't look/see. That means Seok Hyung's love for Song Hwa is already rejected, and left in the past. [Confirmed] 6. After Ik Jun sat next to Seok Hyung, who is lying down, Ik Jun is the first person to leave Song Hwa's room. And interpretation that Ik Jun was given up on his first crush, Song Hwa. [Confirmed] The one who is very naive, the end of the love, doesn't realize any romance within the group and busy with his own world: Jun Wan. Again, I don't do analysis based on things like this. Lol. But it is interesting because some of the points are already confirmed. Even though the korean netizen posted it on April 8th. 3 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktcjdrama Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 7 hours ago, 000231846597 said: I am not a fan of Reply 94 & 88 [a minority here, I believe] but only 97. I tried 1 or 2 episodes for both 94 & 88, but simply could not go on... I am exactly like you for the above. @triplem said that 80% of the discussion in this thread is about shipping, but I think I want to contest that to 99% 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kokodus Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 @Kaizen68 I don't understand many things in that theory. First of all Aloha is not about unrequited love. Is it? This is the original MV. Its more about the unconditional love the man has for his women. The video shows two people in love but somehow the girl loses her eyesight but they still get married in the end. It's a really sweet music video. The last wedding scene coincides with the lyrics "You are the light of my life, you are the one in my life". I didn't get this connection before but Aloha is an Hawaiian word for greeting people. And we know who went to hawai. I guess that's why when Jun wan said 'I made lots of girls cry by singing this song', Jeong won replies 'Ahh in Hawai?' LOL. Plus this song is also played during the 6th ep when Ik sun said yes to Jun wan. Ik sun also has a past trauma, so I guess like in that music video, Jun wan will love her and be with her despite her past trauma. Aloha must be Jun wan and IK sun's song. Hmmm.... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizen68 Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 40 minutes ago, kokodus said: @Kaizen68 I don't understand many things in that theory. First of all Aloha is not about unrequited love. Is it? Well, I am not really sure either. It is Korean netizens who said on twitter Aloha song = unrequited love. Actually I hope it is not true as well, because it seemed over-analyzed things and quite complicated. And I want Jeong Won to be with Jang Gyeo Ul. But half of the points are proven to be true. The rest is unrevealed. So maybe it is interesting to look at. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace_Love Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 2 hours ago, 40somethingahjumma said: I did mean it in a negative way. As far as I can tell, you're a rare one. And you're right, there was a lot more about Reply 88 than the husband hunt. I watched about 4 or 5 episodes and dropped it because it wasn't my cup of tea even though I grew up in the 80s a teenager. A lot of things about the show didn't work for me. (However I'm a huge fan of Prison Playbook) But if you read comments about Reply 88 all around the web, it's the identity of the husband that people dwell on and lament over. That's the reality. I'm only commenting on that. LOL. I thought so at first, but was not sure. I watched all of the Reply series without reading any comments nor following forums. It seems like I was better off not knowing about the dwelling and lament. I certainly was not one of those folks. This is actually my first time joining a forum and seeing Reply '88 regarded a negative way just made me feel sad and bad for the writer's work because it truly is a good story overall. There was so much more to it than the husband hunt. Oh well. Since you already gave some episodes a try, I respect your opinion about it though. At least we can agree that we are both fans of Prison Playbook. 2 hours ago, 40somethingahjumma said: I don't know how long you've been for following this thread but I've never denied that there are possibilities beyond what we've been given. I even accept a possible IJ-Songhwa endgame despite preferring Capt Ahn personally in this situation. However possibilities have to occur within reason also. I certainly don't agree that "anything can happen." in a blanket, sweeping sort of way. For example: Why aren't there large numbers of people trying to pair up Song-hwa and Seok-min, the other NS resident as well because they spend a lot of time together? For me it's because they have a completely different dynamic. And SM hasn't been shown to demonstrate interest in Song-hwa romantically. Why not Seok-hyeon and Song-hwa because the show started off with them? The list goes on. Every show has its own internal logic. Yes, possibilities exist but they can't be so random that it destroys the show's own world building and thematic structure. (Of course many badly written shows often end up doing this to everyone's annoyance and sometimes amusement) Even with Reply 88 there were only 2 real contenders as far as I can tell. When I commented that "anything can happen", I certainly was not referring to it in sweeping manner nor trying to say that random twists can happen. I only meant that since the story is scheduled for three seasons and it is still early in the story --- how are we so certain what will happen or not happen over the course? To be honest, I have never thought about the pairings too much, but have liked what we have seen so far such as Jun Wan and Ik Sun. Regarding Song Hwa, I think Captain Ahn and Ik Jun are both good men. If her love line is between either of the two, I think either are good pairings. We will see. Song Hwa with either Seok Min or Seok Hyeong never crossed my mind for a second so I have no comment on that. Sorry. 2 hours ago, 40somethingahjumma said: But what my beef really is... is that many fans of PD Shin and this writer are spending more time and energy concerned about other possibilities while brushing off what's already been given because they are expecting some kind of twist in the horizon. My contention is that many unexpected situations have already occurred and we should look to them to guide us in how we think about the show. People tell me that I shouldn't discount other possibilities because of the writer's oeuvre. I don't by the way. But what if the writer wants to do something s/he or has never done before? For instance Jasper Fforde has written a couple of series that are internationally beloved. But he has also written standalone works that have no bearing on the Tuesday Week or Nursery Crime series. I guess if the fans want to and think it is fun, why not let them? But yes, I personally agree with you that we should not viewing the story under the same microscope as the writer's prior works, but on its own. 2 hours ago, 40somethingahjumma said: I think the fear among Reply fans is real as evidenced in this thread. No one wants to invest in the here and now because they keep worrying about the heartaches that could arise. Why is that? I don't understand it. There are no prizes for being right or punitive measures for being wrong. I find myself clashing with the fans of the Reply series because I don't take the writer's previous works as a guide for understanding this one. Even though I'm an avid fan of Prison Playbook, I don't use it to understand this show either even though there are obvious stylistic similarities. PP has very little romance, celebrates male camaraderie in humourous, heartwarming ways. Yes, yes... the writers are different but it is helmed by the same director. I am both a Reply and Prison Playbook fan and like you, I am not using either as guide for Hospital neither. By doing so, I feel we would not be doing Hospital Playlist justice. However, I do understand where the Reply fans are coming from though. The writer did make it difficult for them to completely watch it objectively by setting up the five friends as four men and one woman and certainly, the flashbacks in episode 6 did not help either. 2 hours ago, 40somethingahjumma said: As I've said previously, I'm a really simple-minded viewer. I go with what I see and hear. If I'm going to do any speculation, it's based on what I already know not based on what I don't know. I am actually a similar kind of viewer, but since it is still early in story, am open to what we do not know yet. Anyway, my original comment was really out heartache from reading Reply '88 thought of it a "negative" way. I would feel the same way if was instead about Prison Playbook. Thanks for the detailed explanation --- I could better understand where you were coming from now. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ameera Ali Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Forget about 20 years old crush , why She only singling out Dr Ahn , she have other students too , I don’t see her going around ask them for a coffee . Or pointing out she like them , ask them not to go anywhere I think writer should give him a chance , after all he got his teeth & hair , she not doing bad ending with him # take on his case , Guy deserves a chance 4 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurlayla Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 junwan deliberately mistook iksun as ikjun dog i think to cover his true feeling and himself from the vicious BIL ok whatever 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizen68 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 I thought he was Nobita from Doraemon. Btw can we make a meme from this expression? 1 10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurlayla Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 lolol nobita my fav so far: ikjun the clown and junwan the grumpy granny wakakaka huh hopefully junwan not involve in any scandal 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40somethingahjumma Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Peace_Love said: I guess if the fans want to and think it is fun, why not let them? Well, yes... it's a sure sign that I'm spending far too much time on this thread. Most of my angst isn't directed at Reply 88 or you. But since you directed your previous post to me, I felt that I should take the trouble to respond. I never criticise people's likes and dislikes on this forum. It's all subjective to me. I'm kind of glad now that I didn't try watching Reply 88 until after all the bruohaha died down. And like you, I really didn't think the husband hunt was all that important in the scheme of things. It's a growing up story that didn't engage me. Unfortunately that laboured, minimalist documentary-like approach just didn't work for me. I came on board early for this drama... though regretting it somewhat now... because of my high regard for Prison Playbook, JKH and JJS. And I adore medical dramas. On its own merits it's a great drama, certainly the best thing I'm watching at the moment. But reading this thread... sometimes I feel like I'm watching a totally different drama to others. That's a feeling I don't think I've ever experienced on Soompi before. It's quite disorienting and making me question my own judgment. 2 hours ago, Kaizen68 said: I don't do analyzes based on things like this. Because most of my assumptions and theories are more likely based on instincts and feelings. But since this analysis justifies all of those assumptions, including Song Hwa liked Jun Wan (Except the part that Jeong Won likes Jun Wan, I didn't think of that), so I provide it here. [...] According to this theory, Jeong Won likes Jun Wan. I also heard that there might be a gay among of them. As Shin-PD has been known for presenting gay characters in his previous dramas (reply 1994, prison playbook) So is this person theorizing that Jeong-won is in the closet and using the priesthood as a cover? That's an interesting angle I hadn't considered. The trouble with this theory is apart from a reading of the composition of the scene I don't see any evidence of this in any other scene in which he interacts with Jun-wan. If he is... he is doing a darn good job of hiding things. 4 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanallright Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Guys, let not over analyse all these crushes and loves. I feel that it is a bit getting out of hand. 3 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace_Love Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 @40somethingahjumma I have only been in the forum a very short time, but can tell people enjoy reading your posts. It is likely me who is sensitive so I am going to go back to my old ways and just watch it purely without reading anything. Ik Jun's Leslie Cheung comment is making me feel nostalgic so gonna use my time watching his old stuff instead. Thanks again for replying back. Enjoy the rest of the drama. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizen68 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 34 minutes ago, 40somethingahjumma said: So is this person theorizing that Jeong-won is in the closet and using the priesthood as a cover? That's an interesting angle I hadn't considered. The trouble with this theory is apart from a reading of the composition of the scene I don't see any evidence of this in any other scene in which he interacts with Jun-wan. If he is... he is doing a darn good job of hiding things. No one knows. Either he's doing a good job in hiding things or this person (and me) over-analyze things. I prefer the second one because I want him to be with Gyeo Ul. 2 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40somethingahjumma Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 @Peace_Love No problems dear. It's all good. Speaking of Leslie Cheung, HK television in the 80s... was so good. These days hmmm... 29 minutes ago, ryanallright said: Guys, let not over analyse all these crushes and loves. I feel that it is a bit getting out of hand. "Things fall apart, the centre cannot hold... Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world..." (William Butler Yeats) 17 minutes ago, Kaizen68 said: No one knows. Either he's doing a good job in hiding things or this person (and me) over-analyze things. I prefer the second one because I want him to be with Gyeo Ul. What am I going to do about the fanfic I just started????? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 42 minutes ago, 40somethingahjumma said: But reading this thread... sometimes I feel like I'm watching a totally different drama to others. That's a feeling I don't think I've ever experienced on Soompi before. It's quite disorienting and making me question my own judgment. Me too! Lol! I am amazed at the sort of details that people look into but I’m utterly confused at the same time . I am not one to link symbols & props & colours and whatnot to predict what will happen to the plot . ( Even on 365, I hv no idea what in the world is really happening. ) . What I find really amusing to me here is that a lot of the predictions rely on just crumbs and if viewed from a different perspective may have a completely different meaning or have no significance whatsoever. @ryanallright lol! I think it’s impossible now. Everyone’s gone on overdrive with the shipping . You’re right @ktcjdrama 99.9% shipping . I need to change the poll results @Peace_Love continue writing dear . By the way thanks for bringing up the Leslie Cheung reference. I grew up on HK dramas & entertainment, and Leslie was my ultimate bias then . So I was tickled that PD referenced it here . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 (edited) On 4/19/2020 at 1:14 AM, Kaizen68 said: He intentionally dropping the paper. @Kaizen68 how did you even get this? I watched this scene 3x and and was trying to look for any signs of the 3 of them and because the scene went 'too fast' for me i couldn't catch anything. So thanks! Here I could see clearly what IJ did there I'm also like some of you here who (still) have not watched any of the Reply series and since I'm not familiar with them, I also watch this with simple-mindedness. And for me, all the love-lines that the director seems to want to tell the stories on (regardless whether or not they will end up together), I have already suspected them early on from when they're shown (JWon-GW, SHyeong-MH, JWan-IS, IJ-SHwa, even JS-RS and ACH-SHwa). So nothing surprises me that much. Although the revelation of IJ's crushing on SHwa was surprising for me too, but it wasn't outside of these so-called 'love-lines'. I'm going to continue watching with this mindset for now and just take the surprises as they come So is this the correct order of events: SHyeong confessing -> band practice where SHwa 'asked' whether the cake was for her -> SHyeong and IJ drinking together? I wonder since when SHwa gave up her position as the main vocalist of the band IJ is pretty much the one singing in the past few eps. I actually wish for each of them to have a turn to be the main vocalist though . Another wish of mine: for all of them to tackle one patient together at least once hahahahahaha -> just like JDrama Iryu. Would they tell the story of this Coronovirus pandemic in S2 though Now off I go to do my study and assignment Edited April 20, 2020 by Guest Pls don’t quote images . Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ck1Oz Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 I am watching Reply 1994 now and I still think this PD/ writer combo is so good. If that drama still holds the test of time, then Wise doctor/physician life should. Since this is actually the title as well. It all boils down to how well the writer writes and the director who shares the same vision. I am not trying to be philosophical or sound profound. At the end of the day I can relate and feel for all those Reply 1988, 1994 and 1997, Wise Prison Life characters. They are just living their lives. The writer has fleshed the characters so well and have actors who give it their own personas that at the end of the day; it's the character's ending. No matter how we ship or what crumbs we perceive, the writer always writes it that the character ACCEPTS their choices. Sad or happy. Good for them or not. The character moves on Its always the fans who can't it seem. Even Chilbong moved on. He got married didn't he? And remained friends with all of them didn't he? So " pfft " I say to all this shipping. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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