__jesse Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 My thoughts on why Songhwa didn’t confess in 1999 If you’re in a “some”, and the next day the person suddenly distances himself from you, it’s pretty obvious. Especially if you’ve reached that stage where Ikjun and Songhwa were at. And you’d probably start wondering if you did or said something wrong. And maybe Ikjun started dating someone else shortly after. Well, he was popular. But more importantly, based on her personality, I don't think Songhwa would ever confront Ikjun, or confess how she felt. Firstly, she’s not someone who would cross the line. As far as possible, she would choose to avoid conflict. Remember during the kalguksu scene, both Jeongwon and Songhwa were afraid to cross the line with Professor Min. But Junwan had no qualms doing so. This corresponded with their propensity to confess. Junwan was quick to confess to Iksun, while Jeongwon sat on his feelings until Gyeoul literally came knocking on his door. Also, despite how Chihong repeatedly crossed the line and made her feel uncomfortable, she always smiled, kept things professional and stopped short of telling him off. In both instances, she managed to find solutions, which solved the problems without causing any conflict and it was a win-win situation for everyone. That, I think was very wise of her. But I also wonder, if it would be possible for her to do that every single time. What if another suitor appears in Sokcho, would she go to Jeju-do? Secondly, she doesn’t like to be placed/seen in a vulnerable position. She puts on a strong front before her patients, her colleagues, and even her closest friends. I’ve talked about the breast biopsy scene before. The only time we saw her vulnerable side was when she was alone in her car, trying to put on some lipstick. In front of her co-workers, she’s also seen as this super capable and practically flawless professor with an impossible work schedule. Songhwa is a human too, she must be tired after long hours of surgery, but she never lets it show. Hence, I believe that while she wouldn’t hesitate to create opportunities for her and Ikjun, she would never be the first to confess. Because it places her in a vulnerable position; by baring her feelings, she risks getting hurt. (Gyeoul really deserves a round of applause.) In season 2, I wonder if we would see Songhwa take the bull by the horns and tackle conflicts head-on. Especially if she chooses to accept Ikjun's feelings, it wouldn't be an easy path. I also hope that one day, she’d allow herself to show her vulnerable side to the people who love and care for her. Mental note: Songhwa’s follow-up biopsy test is due in February. 14 6 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanallright Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 Since we are on this topic, let us take a look at the mandarin translation and the whole conversation. How could you judge using one phrase instead of the whole conversation? Spoiler Starting from the 1st pic. SHwa: Jungwon, get married SHwa: Find someone nice and get married soon SHwa: Otherwise have children soon (I understand for english sub, it said 'or have baby 1st, did not expect SHwa to suggest shotgun) SHwa: Since you love kids so much After that Jungwon threw the same topic back to her JWon: You too get married soon JWon: Don't you love kids too? SHwa: I don't love kids that much SHwa: But my nephews are adorable SHwa: U-ju is adorable SHwa: Haven't seen U-ju for a while. I did take a look at eng sub as well. It is somewhat similar in context. So to interpret this conversation as an indirect confession from either one amused me. Basically is two close friends encouraging one another to get married soon. For SHwa to include U-ju is also quite something 8 4 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kokodus Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 7 minutes ago, ryanallright said: Basically is two close friends encouraging one another to get married soon. And they will get married to their respective partners in the next season. This is a foreshadowing, I tell you. One too many people have told Jeong won to get married and have children. If it's not going happen, why put that dialogue there? I have high hopes that we will even see miniwintergarden babies next year. Kekekeke. 7 5 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktcjdrama Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 Let me put in my two cents on the translation. I am no expert on Korean, but I think i know enough for this one. The main confusion comes from Korean sentences oftentimes not having the subject, similar to Chinese language. What SHwa said was “gyeorun haja” (Chinese equivalent 結婚吧) ~ no subject mentioned. So a more correct translation should be “get married” or “let’s get (you) married” if looking at the whole conversation, because the next thing she said is for him to find a nice girl. Instead of asking him to set their own (SH-JW) wedding date. If she were to suggest getting married to each other, I believe she will say “uri gyeorun haja” (Chinese equivalent 我們結婚吧) ~ uri means we/us. We need to always interpret based on context, not just take one sentence out of context. I am sorry to say that some translators are just not doing a careful enough job translating by considering the context of the conversation. 11 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yukiyukiku Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 18 minutes ago, ryanallright said: Since we are on this topic, let us take a look at the mandarin translation and the whole conversation. How could you judge using one phrase instead of the whole conversation? Starting from the 1st pic. 18 minutes ago, ryanallright said: SHwa: Jungwon, get married SHwa: Find someone nice and get married soon SHwa: Otherwise have children soon (I understand for english sub, it said 'or have baby 1st, did not expect SHwa to suggest shotgun) SHwa: Since you love kids so much After that Jungwon threw the same topic back to her JWon: You too get married soon JWon: Don't you love kids too? SHwa: I don't love kids that much SHwa: But my nephews are adorable SHwa: U-ju is adorable SHwa: Haven't seen U-ju for a while. I did take a look at eng sub as well. It is somewhat similar in context. So to interpret this conversation as an indirect confession from either one amused me. Basically is two close friends encouraging one another to get married soon. thank you for the Chinese translation it did help to better understand the conversation than the English version Korean to Chinese is better in translation 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JungRok Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 9 hours ago, LovelyLady said: She quickly draw the line. No to the IRL shipping. It's work. Why do they ask her that kind of questions? It's uncomfortable Hahaha..have you compared her other works? I think this is her 1st time that she experience this kind of level "everyone is shipping her hard". Imagine Park Min Young, Go Ara, Seo Hyun Jin, IU and Yoona or Kim Go Eun or Son Ye Jin previously in their drama. They were too tired to answer fan ships but then they just follow the flow - to make the drama fanbase grow and well..more audience. I might be biased. LoL SHB was like "hmm, okay. Did I say that? Not really in my mind." She doesnt care about any fan shipping and shrugged it off. Remind you that she havent seen any rage troll fans who will comment on her post everyday like Son Ye Jin fans. LMAO I believe she is not that kind of person who would embrace fan shipping, ya know. She is like "what happpened in drama, stays in drama. If irl?, maybe it takes more than that." In my honest opinion, her endgame potential love interest is not someone from acting world. Hahaha 6 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ima Imo Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 Despite many theories of some of the coupling, I believe the love line that we have seen in S1 is alrd settled. Also, this is Wise Series where the PD wants it to be more relatable, kind of slice of life with no complicated plot esp the romance (Shin PD said it himself). Looking at Winter Garden progression, after so much patience we can finally see them tgt on the last episode! That's why IkSong love line whom I think the most complicated one (20 years of friendship, Ikjun being a divorcee just recently, thus Songhwa's hesitation and contemplation), will progress slow and maybe we will see them tgt in S3. We still have Bidulgi Couple and GomGom couple to tell as well. Imo, although the story focuses on these 5 best friends, we also get the residents and many others in this drama who are also the key of relatable stories surrounding the hospital. therefore, the slow progression of the love lines is understandable. and even when the fans love the romance here, in the end of the day what Shin PD wants to emphasise is more than just romance but the portrayal of doctors' life. 9 5 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChunSungIm Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 she is very pro with all that shipping,she draws the line and just focus on her role wkwkwk. back as gye oul with specs 4 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deltay Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 SHB is so good at drawing lines and then there's yeon seok roaming around being jeongwon promoting his ship hard 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kokodus Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 SHB channeling Gyeo ul when it comes to food. Girl has her priorities set straight. Na PD please cast her or invite her as a guest in 3MAD. LOL. 1 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
consuella Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, mkats said: For the benefit of those who haven't found it yet, here's the opening theme of Hospital Playlist. Something to add in our OST collection while we wait for Season 2 Woah, thank youu! Edited June 10, 2020 by Jillia Please do not quote videos! Thanks! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrllee Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 A Kiss Foretold and Fulfilled - So very clever PD Shin and Writer Lee From Ep5 And in Ep12. It plays out exactly as foretold. Thanks be to the magic splicing of PD Shin and JunWan the Christmas elf and a bit of “bibbidi bobbidi boo“ from Rosa. Spoiler Christmas day first kiss. Matching rings. And so they lived happily ever after. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superspace Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 8 hours ago, kokodus said: SHB channeling Gyeo ul when it comes to food. Girl has her priorities set straight. Na PD please cast her or invite her as a guest in 3MAD. LOL. or maybe she could join Coffee Friends S2 with Chef Yoo! (I wish!!) Spoiler 4 1 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 40somethingahjumma Posted June 11, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 11, 2020 In the normal course of life what pairing preferences people have is none of my business but when it is aired publicly on a public platform for the world to see, it becomes fair game. Although this is a dead horse that seems to have been flogged beyond all bounds of reason, I feel that I must add a word or two. As some others have intimated in a series of posts yesterday, this drama like every drama makes clear moral statements. It makes all kinds of statements about right and wrong behaviour... about what constitutes "good" and "bad". There is an overarching moral worldview that governs all aspects of its storytelling and that includes character and romance. (Or should I say, especially character and romance) In the comfort of one's arm chair it's fine to play partner swap but a drama has to be much more careful about what kind of statements it's making when they make certain narrative choices. There needs to be a higher level of consistency in its overall messaging especially if it looks like contradicting conventional wisdom. It's clear just from a cursory understanding that the drama condemns adultery and infidelity of all kinds. Whether it's Seok-hyeong's dad or Ik-jun's ex... the show doesn't leave you feeling ambiguous about spousal cheating. The show is also very careful to contrast good and bad behaviours by how characters are portrayed. These are rules by which it has established its credibility with the audience. Consider this then. A pediatric surgeon who has never had a history of dating in his entire adult life has applied to become a priest. The show is careful to promote his street creds and emphasize them consistently. He is declared a virgin by his closest friend and despite being close to several women, he has never been tempted to go further to take it up a notch with them. Not only has he never made a move on Song-hwa or Ms Yuk (U-ju's mother), he hasn't made a move on any woman that has asked him out including Dr Bae Jin-hui and any of the female staff. It's all platonic as far as he's concerned. He is very careful not to cross the line. Or IMO, he's just never been interested... no one's ever turned his head. Until now... The ER flashback in Episode 12 is helpful in showing us that falling in love with Gyeo-ul was enormously hard for him. He wrestled with it for months. We shouldn't trivialize this or dismiss it entirely. He ran to her when she had her medical emergency despite assurances that she was doing better and then stopped short of crossing the line. He was literally fighting with himself as the flashback depicted so vividly. That scene was given to us as the key to unlocking his heart. For the first time in his adult life, he is in danger of a paradigm shift as far as women are concerned. Are we then to believe that he crossed the line after such a hard struggle that it is that easy for him to kiss one girl and then leap to another? Given that he took such a long time to 'fess up that should be a clue as to what kind of man we are dealing with. To say that he will "change his mind" down the track because he is recovering latent feelings shows a lack of understanding of who he is at his core. Right from the start the show is at pains to tell us that Ahn Jeong-won is absolutely 100% a one-woman man no doubt because of his Catholic faith. When he thought that Ik-jun might be having an affair with Gyeo-ul, he went and confronted him immediately. In fact among the Five, he is the only one who is depicted as being inexperienced in the dating game. All the others have been married or have dated before. Why is that? Because it wants to tell us that this is really serious stuff for him. It's not a flash in the pan. It is so serious that he didn't just hug her or shed tears for her... he kissed her to seal the relationship quickly. It is an act of certainty on his part. There's no going back or him changing his mind. It's irrelevant whether Song-hwa has feelings for him... an observation that's highly questionable to say the least... the only thing that matters now is that he doesn't have feelings for her outside of being friendly confidants. Otherwise they would already have been together eons ago because Jeong-won is not the kind of guy to fool around where women are concerned. It isn't just a case of impugning his moral integrity, it is basically about unmaking the entire man. Even with his manchild faults, Jeong-won is a decent man. A good Samaritan who instigated the Daddy-Long-Legs scheme. A chaebol heir who practised noblesse oblige. A doctor who dug into his own pockets to help the needy. I don't think the show would want to mess with that especially when it really needs to steer clear of anything that even smacks of undermining its own moral universe. 9 28 3 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nahyebong Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 Hi, I'm a silent reader all these times. Really enjoy to read this group. The only way to make me less empty every Thursday is by reading this group. hehehe. Anyway would like to ask, is there anyone here also ship Jeong Won with Dr.Bae? I love their interaction since early episode 2, the scene of Jeong Won smiled when Dr.Bae explaining the kid's condition to the mom. Don't get me wrong, i also a fan of Winter Garden. But I think Dr.Baek is also a nice catch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kokodus Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 3 hours ago, superspace said: or maybe she could join Coffee Friends S2 with Chef Yoo! (I wish!!) OMG YES THIS IS IT!!!!! This has to happen!!! SHB also said she can cook. They can transform from "acting-partners" to "cooking partners" LOL. Please Na PD make it happen!!!! 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starwater0 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 THhis is gonna be a rough 6-7 months wait... I hope we get updates from Shin PD and band practice videos from our 99ers 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrllee Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 Love how they are so “locked in” (using a band phrase here for bassist and drummer) that they can read each other’s minds. They have both been called “psychic” by others. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post __jesse Posted June 11, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 11, 2020 I wouldn't waste my time replying those who insist on romanticising precious platonic friendships because Shin-Lee has already spoken – twice. I rest my case. 5 12 7 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arajo81 Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 Did you notice how in sync SH/JW were as he was thinking of Gyeo-wool - the first person he wanted to tell about his plans to stay? SH read his mind and broke out into a knowing smile, mentioning the word “gyeo-wool” three times to tease her psychic partner. Totally agree they’re locked in around JW’s love life with GW 14 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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