Popular Post pacarjiyong Posted May 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 25, 2020 If my best friend said he loves me indirectly, after we've been friends for 20 years, when he's divorced and already had a kid, and I supposedly have feeling for him back then, I will definitely taken aback and confused. Why now? Is it because he's divorced? Then what will happen with our friendship? What am I supposed to do with something as serious as this? To be honest, if something like that occured to me, I will feel uncomfortable at first too despite he's my first love. Let say I am in 40s. My first love happened to be 20 years ago. 20 years has passed, no way I will live my life pathetically, waiting for my first love to comeback, moreover my first love happened to be my best friend, and he's married. Of course I hoped his marriage last forever. No way I will secretly hope he come back, because to come back he has to be divorced. Divorced is painful, theres no way I want my best friend experience something terrible like that. His divorce and his indirectly confession happens so sudden. It was unpredictable. It was unplanned. So instead of joyfully respond to his confession, I will definitely take my time to asses the situation. What does he mean? Is it really what I am thinking? If it is, what will happen later? What am I supposed to do? And of course I will ask myself, what am I feeling? After all this time, what about my feeling? Even if he is indeed my first love, what about now? Do I still have the same feeling or not in our current situation? We need to take their age and the length of their friendship into consideration.. it wont be as easy like "you know what? you are my first love, and i've been loving you ever since. Let's be together" to be answered "ah i feel the same way too. Let's date" can you imagine 40s women and men to be like that? When we're in 20s, being in love and decided to be together is easier. Getting older, we have so much thing to consider, the idea of first love isnt enough. Yes first love is great and unforgettable. But it wont make us jump into something so risky without thinking in our 40s immediately just because it is our first love. So I think it is too early for us to conclude Song Hwa reaction as rejection. Flustered, yes. Probably lead to rejection or reciprocated. I dont know. I really cant predict what will happen to Ikjun and Song Hwa. I don't even know whats on Song Hwa's mind. Even she looks she's uncomfortable, i cant 100% sure she rejects him, since we know she isnt afraid to say no to two men's confession before. 21 2 8 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KDramaFan0828 Posted May 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 25, 2020 Regardless if the feelings were mutual or not in the past, both of them has tried to move on. Even if she did like IJ before, she had already dated other guys just as IJ has dated other people and had planned on committing to his marriage. It's not like they were just waiting for 20 years. Of course, these feelings have been buried as they tried to forget the past so you cannot expect SHwa to suddenly feel happy about it and reciprocate his feelings because she wasn't exactly waiting for his confession to happen. So far, there had been 2 "confessions" from IJ. One of the present (Eating with you is the treat I give myself) and one from the past (I've had feelings for SHwa). One curious thing about this is how different her reactions were to each. She was clearly more affected about the fact that IJ had liked her before. I can't see SHwa as someone who would be mad at someone simply because he has feelings for her. But to me, her reactions towards IJ's second "confession" were mixed with a bunch of negative emotions as if someone had opened and old wound. At this point nobody can still tell for sure who Songhwa’s past love in her 20s was (which is definitely frustrating). To be honest, while I can think of reasons why it was IJ, I can also find reasons for the other guys in the group (not that we’re sure her love was indeed part of the lacking 5). However, if it were one of the guys aside from IJ, I wonder why they would need to withhold this information if this won’t be of impact to the developments later on (aside from keeping us hooked, of course). And I also doubt they would go down that route where another friend would be the cause of complications in the development of the lovelines. I mean, our characters are already facing various obstacles in the progression of their respective relationships and we’re already stressed out as is without any intersecting lovelines. One of the biggest themes of the Reply series was the husband hunt. This is why the series was highly dependent on love triangles and webs of relationships to keep the story moving. But I still believe this time the writer would like to explore a different formula. I really appreciate how we get to see the progression in various types of relationships. And until now, I think they’d like to show how these relationships are still complicated even without the threat of romantic competition. This is also one of the reasons why I think the line was already drawn for Chihong when Songhwa realigned their conversation to remain work-related in the last episode. Even from the very start, Songhwa was clear in drawing this line. But his sustained attempts at advances became gateways to open up an unconcluded chapter for Ikjun. Moving forward, I feel that the story will just be focusing on exploring the changes in Ikjun and Songhwa’s relationship dynamics, which is already a big conflict in itself even without Chihong in the picture. 15 8 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marrez1 Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 But why do people think that if they separate in the end they will no longer be friends? or that there would be a fracture? they have a solid friendship of 20 years, they must not have seen each other every day, some have traveled, etc, they will always be the best friends 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelwingssf Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 1 hour ago, pacarjiyong said: So I think it is too early for us to conclude Song Hwa reaction as rejection. Flustered, yes. Probably lead to rejection or reciprocated. I dont know. I really cant predict what will happen to Ikjun and Song Hwa. I don't even know whats on Song Hwa's mind. Even she looks she's uncomfortable, i cant 100% sure she rejects him, since we know she isnt afraid to say no to two men's confession before. If this was the case, I would have at least seen a smile or a smirk or some happy face. Nobody says, oh let me think about it. It is about feelings - which is mostly visual and heartful in nature. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zahid Siraj Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 hello everyone! its my first time to post here so forgive me if i make any mistakes hehe.. someone already mention this before i think but i will just say it again cause its very interesting! on the topic to figure out what is SHwa is thinking this korean youtuber makes a good point! there is a parallel of scenes on this episode where the first few scenes at the beginning of the episode SHwa comforted SH by giving him a jacket because it was cold and Chihong comforted SHwa by doing the same at the end of the episode, it mentions how what SH is feeling in that scene is what SHwa is feeling now. SHwa now has alot of conflicting feelings inside her so she decide to take her own advice where she does nothing which is partly why maybe she decide to go to sokcho branch... to get clearer headspace anyway this forum is very fun to read to kill time to wait for the next episode so thank you all for posting! now after this we just have to wait for one more year Spoiler 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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__jesse Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 Jongsu: What’s your name? Brachyscome angustifolia. It blooms all year round? Your life must be exhausting. There’s a theory that Iksun, Songhwa, Minha and Gyeoul represent spring, summer, autumn and winter respectively. Gyeoul obviously means Winter. Minha’s surname Chu (秋) means Autumn. The word “Sun” in Iksun, also means 荀, as in bamboo shoots, which is harvested in Spring. Chae Song Hwa, in Korean, is moss rose, which blooms in Summer. We all know that Songhwa likes the rain. One possible explanation is that maybe her father was a firefighter. Families of firefighters are happy when it rains. Also, Songhwa’s father suffers from hearing loss, which is an occupational disease for firefighters. But moss rose (chae song hwa) only blossoms when it’s sunny. When it’s cloudy or raining, the flowers will close. In ep 12’s preview, we see Songhwa dressed in light summer clothes and the weather behind her looked fine. As some of you have mentioned, there could be time skip to warmer days, when Songhwa’s romance would finally blossom. There’s another plant associated with Iksun, and that’s cilantro (gosu). It was first revealed in ep 6: Iksun’s profile picture is a pot of cilantro. In Korean, “gosu” has two other meanings. It could mean “expert” (高手), which is why Junwan thought everyone in the club were experts. Iksun: They’re all nice people. They’re so naïve and innocent. Junwan: But I’m sure they’re all fourth or fifth-degree holders. Iksun. Even for taekwondo, I’m only an orange belt in rank. I’m on the same level as Uju. Another meaning is 固守, which means “to defend (one’s opinions, position or possessions) tenaciously”. We see Junwan taking care of the pot of cilantro, even though he doesn’t like cilantro, suggesting that he will try his best to defend, protect and grow this relationship. Aaawwww~ 3 hours ago, KDramaFan0828 said: One of the biggest themes of the Reply series was the husband hunt. This is why the series was highly dependent on love triangles and webs of relationships to keep the story moving. But I still believe this time the writer would like to explore a different formula. I really appreciate how we get to see the progression in various types of relationships. And until now, I think they’d like to show how these relationships are still complicated even without the threat of romantic competition. This is also one of the reasons why I think the line was already drawn for Chihong when Songhwa realigned their conversation to remain work-related in the last episode. Even from the very start, Songhwa was clear in drawing this line. But his sustained attempts at advances became gateways to open up an unconcluded chapter for Ikjun. Moving forward, I feel that the story will just be focusing on exploring the changes in Ikjun and Songhwa’s relationship dynamics, which is already a big conflict in itself even without Chihong in the picture. Adding on to your point, in the Reply series, there is a clear ending in the present day where all the couples are paired up and live happily ever after. That’s the biggest difference between Reply and HP. Shin pd said he wanted to create a drama where there’s no definitive ending. And I think that’s the most realistic portrayal of life itself. One of my favourite dramas, Be Melodramatic, taught me that even if the couple got together in the final ep, if they have unresolved issues, they may end up breaking up afterwards. So, the “happy ending” could in fact be a sad ending. So far, HP has been written realistically. I believe in season 2 and 3, HP will continue to show us how these couples face and overcome challenges and obstacles together. Iksun and Junwan adapting to LDR. Maybe Seokhyung’s ex-wife will appear. Maybe we’ll finally find out who Jeongwon’s "budding love in his 20s" was (besides God). Maybe one or two couples may not be endgame, but I honestly doubt there’ll be a major shift in lovelines, where couples exchange partners like playing the musical chair. It’s simply not realistic. 6 3 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post standingtallyy Posted May 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 25, 2020 I don’t understand why Jeong Won is still being insisted on Song Hwa. Let’s give the poor woman a break. Isn’t her current confusion, discomfort, overwhelmed state between Chi Hong and Ik Jun not enough? To the point she has to get away from Yulje, without letting her best friends know. In my opinion, Ik Jun appeared dumbfounded, speechless (during the reveal) because he didn’t see that coming and most likely, realised the pressure he was putting on her (yes, Ik Jun doesn’t know everything folks ). To me it only proves no man can dictate or influence when it comes to her decisions, being the confident and independent woman Song Hwa is. Jeong Won’s first love has always been God, it’s been quite clear since episode 1. For 20 years, no woman (outside of Rosa) has ever make him doubt that he wants to be a priest (why do you think Mama Rosa asked Gyeo-ul, a total stranger to her? Because she knows her son best). Meeting this wild card of a woman named Gyeo-ul is the root of all his doubts . 18 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superspace Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 (edited) Is anyone similar to me who always read comments hoping I would find some new interesting insight/theory? I found some interesting comments stated that the point of this scene were not Ikjun was confessing to Songhwa but to confront Chihong. He had clearly confessed to Song-hwa on Episode 10 (eating together with you is a treat for myself). Ikjun prove that He is not Junghwan (but I love Junghwan. Haha). Another comment stated that Chi-hong actually asked in past tense, but on the other hand Ikjun answered in present tense. Dear Korean expert friends, is it true? Because it is based on the English translation from Netflix (however I don't 100% trust Netflix translation) Spoiler Edited May 25, 2020 by superspace 2 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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standingtallyy Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 In Chi Hong’s defense (it is because I have equal fondness to him as much as Ik Jun - I’m torn!). He already know Ik Jun has the advantage, he only had 4 years of knowing Song Hwa, out of the 20 years Ik Jun had. It was love at first sight. It was only in the recent time he finally confessed, which was met by rejection. The man has resilience, and SH appreciates that. I liked that he asked permission from SH to speak in banmal as a birthday present. She agreed. He was heavily criticised by hard core Ik- Song shippers, accusing Chi Hong of crossing the line. They say all is fair in love and war. However, I wouldn’t consider his action cheating. I think, he’s trying to be on equal footing against Ik Jun as much as he can in the battle of winning the woman’s affection. Ik Jun was marking his territory (sort of) by attending the NS department dinner, when he should be with his three friends. Ik Jun is just everywhere around Song Hwa. That must have triggered Chi Hong. I didn’t see his gesture as being disrespectful. He is as much as a gentleman like Ik Jun. 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDramaFan0828 Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 2 hours ago, superspace said: Another comment stated that Chi-hong actually asked in past tense, but on the other hand Ikjun answered in present tense. Dear Korean expert friends, is it true? Because it is based on the English translation from Netflix (however I don't 100% trust Netflix translation. I’m not sure about the translation part as I don’t know Korean as well HAHA . But if we look at the lines in english I guess it could go both ways (past or present). So it is still open to interpretations. Not an expert at english grammar as well so correct me if I’m wrong. CH: You’ve (You have) had feelings for Professor Chae, right? IJ: Yes, I have (had). Anyway, looking back at that scene, as much as I hated how uncomfortable SHwa was (it’s so hard to watch, you could feel the discomfort through the screen), I couldn’t think of a way IJ could’ve avoided answering the question. Drinking again for a pass is not an option anymore. If he had denied it, he’d be lying to himself again and it might injure his chances with SHwa. And if he did anything else to avoid the question, it would only reinforce Seonbin’s statement that a “No comment” is as good as a “Yes”, which he already tried to brush off the first time. How he answered (the manner, choice of words, whether it was present or past tense) is a different story though. 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelwingssf Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 3 hours ago, standingtallyy said: Meeting this wild card of a woman named Gyeo-ul is the root of all his doubts . The problem is we don't see it that way. IT is about a mentor and mentee relationship. 1 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kokodus Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 Omg they released a new preview....!!!!! Looks sad. 4 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkats Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, kokodus said: Omg they released a new preview....!!!!! Looks sad. Oh no! Is my heart gonna break so much this Thursday? Edited May 25, 2020 by triplem Please do not quote images (pics, IG , YT, gifs) . Thanks 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winnerrrrrrrr444 Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 I was wondering, did Jeongwon get around to telling the gang about his departure to Italy? Mama Rosa and Jeongsu found out from the other executive doctor (Dr Ju?) and I think Songhwa has an inkling when he told her to take over Daddy Long Legs, but the rest of the gang don’t know right? Or did I miss something? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kokodus Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 7 minutes ago, mkats said: Oh no! Is my heart gonna break so much this Thursday? We should start preparing our hearts for a sad open ending I guess.....sighh. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Crom Posted May 25, 2020 Share Posted May 25, 2020 17 minutes ago, mkats said: Oh no! Is my heart gonna break so much this Thursday? Looks like Andrea will have to have an operation to cure his brain disorder (headaches). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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