GUADELAIMI Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 I can't really understand SongHwa's expression when I hear Ikjun's statement, it's like she had a grudge, then even proceeded to push him into the taxi haha, which makes me think that maybe if in the past SongHwa had proposed to him and IJ had rejected her because of the confession she had received from SH. I think that SongHwa's character is quite difficult to read since I also didn't understand her reaction when Chihong touched her shoulder, I don't know if it was nerves or discomfort, since she breathed when Chihong got out of the vehicle, if it was nerves you could say that she was feeling something for him. I think Chihong is giving up on Songhwa or at least that made me think when he was crying in bed. I really think that IJ and Songhwa are endgame but it will be a slow romance, or at least I want to believe, the only thing I know is that I don't want to see IJ sadder, IJ DESERVES HAPPINESS. Another thing, I was the only one who noticed that SongHwa when she was playing the band made a forced smile in response to Ikjun's smile, I feel that after the confession she is trying to avoid it, it's very sad I don't want both of them to suffer, Ikjun when SongHwa told her that she was leaving the band didn't even say a word. Please excuse my English. 2 hours ago, GUADELAIMI said: Another thing, I was the only one who noticed that SongHwa when she was playing the band made a forced smile in response to Ikjun's smile, I feel that after the confession she is trying to avoid it, it's very sad I don't want both of them to suffer, Ikjun when SongHwa told her that she was leaving the band didn't even say a word. this really broke me down, I don't know if this is telling us that Song Hwa has no feelings for Ikjun 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas82 Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 Ah bless him Chi Hong will probably end up being kind of like Tae Rang in Beautiful Love Wonderful Life. He'll be the one to help Song Hwa realise her own feelings. Still to rooting for him though. At the mo winter couple still feels like an old slipper he's gotten comfortable with, needs a new lease of life. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helena Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 2020-05-21 Rating 13.125% (nationwide) 15.662% (Seoul) https://www.nielsenkorea.co.kr/tv_terrestrial_day.asp?menu=Tit_1&sub_menu=3_1&area=00&begin_date=20200521 Ratings [wiki] In this table, the blue numbers represent the lowest ratings and the red numbers represent the highest ratings. Ep. Original broadcast date Average audience share AGB Nielsen Nationwide Seoul 1 March 12, 2020 6.325% 7.113% 2 March 19, 2020 7.750% 8.507% 3 March 26, 2020 8.556% 9.313% 4 April 2, 2020 9.754% 10.932% 5 April 9, 2020 11.321% 12.655% 6 April 16, 2020 11.682% 13.783% 7 April 23, 2020 12.077% 13.864% 8 April 30, 2020 12.008% 13.489% 9 May 7, 2020 12.134% 14.479% 10 May 14, 2020 12.701% 15.729% 11 May 21, 2020 13.125% 15.662% 12 May 28, 2020 8 4 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codochoi Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 7 hours ago, Helena said: 2020-05-21 Rating 13.125% (nationwide) 15.662% (Seoul) https://www.nielsenkorea.co.kr/tv_terrestrial_day.asp?menu=Tit_1&sub_menu=3_1&area=00&begin_date=20200521 Ratings [wiki] Like they break their previous record every week lol. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sakura22 Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 3 hours ago, jeijei said: Some posters here act like detectives uWu. Maybe they can help us crime procedural fans decode episodes and predict the next serial killer, maybe jump into Secret Forest 2 while waiting for the next season of this drama. This is unnecessary. @triplem had already suggested alternatives - if scrolling fast doesn't work as much, please use the ignore user button if you still would like to read other posts in the thread. I suggest making use of that if some posts are bothering you. _____________ Relationships are steadily developing and this episode is as real as it gets! Life , relationships and internal personal conflicts. Each character is representing different traits, coping mechanisms and drivers making them all relatable. With the exception of Dr Cheon it is still a feel heartwarmingly good drama, not one is perfect and their life isn't either - bad choices, learning from mistakes, suffering because of others, not getting what one wants. Yes, Song Hwa included - we are just not allowed to know it yet. I feel for Chi Hong because after going through his illness and being such a nice guy, all I want is for him is to be happier and to get what he wants - but, only in the worst possible scenario, it's either he'll back off or he'll be rejected. Jun Wan is in a difficult situation and it's also sad to see him willing to sacrifice for her. But taht's what loves does to you. Things would be challenging yet still could work if both of them makes a lot of effort. So his situation, in my opinion, is not as bad as Chi Hong and Ik Jun. I feel the most sad for Ik Jun. He's the people person and he brigthens up the room and I laughed a lot with his scenes, he is also the most considerate to his patients and most thoughtful for his friends. But internally, I think there are things he is battling with. For someone showing up as kind, fun and friendly, making people friendly - he could well be concealing his true feelings. Because he is considerate, he backs off and kept his feelings locked for many years and he had let his ex wife go without saying anything much. He's there for others when they need him, but he keeps his feelings and problems to himself. I dare say that it is possible that he wouldn't have people to rely on when he needed others to be there for him. He wants people to be happy and would go extra lengths for that, but he is lonely, he is content but he may not be completely happy. I am beginning to be suspicious with the solitaire game that he keeps playing when he has time - and he may have been done with work - but I am beginning to think that solitaire is a way for him to escape and get some sanity break from everything else. His tIredness from work, worries and stress about home, psychological effects from his failed marriage and being a single father (even if he loves Uju so much) - the game is like a distraction for him. I accept that he has flaws and it is okay for a father to need and want a personal break. I read his reaction to Song Hwa's leaving news - with him potentially connecting that with the discomfort of his indirect confession towards her and that Song hwa is running away from that. Or that he'd lose his source of happiness. And I think it is also possible that he would take multiple steps back and pretends that he doesn't love Song Hwa and he'd let everyone else gain happiness while he sacrifices his again. This drama is probably supposed to be light hearted but I really would like more thoughts being shared and more words spoken so I could understand the characters more - instead of speculating and trying to read minds or through expressions. 11 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanallright Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 5 hours ago, DonnaMae said: SongHwa as a level-headed person and has simplistic views in life. I think she use more of her head than her heart. I don't think she's aware of IkJun's feeling but who knows maybe she's just pretending, the way she pretend that she doesn't remember when she first seen ChiHong, but during their band practice in the end she has dreamy expressions that lead to flashback. Just my observations. I feel that with subtle hinting at IJ’s home, restaurant and noraebang, if SHwa still could not catch on this. Wow, I would be amused..... I think she is just pretending and confuse over the two suitors. Moving to Sokcho to rest and work at a slower pace is just one of the excuse, she is using the chance to sort out her feeling and minimise contact with the two although IJ would be hard to avoid. @heartoppaya Although you might think best friends kissing one another is awkward, there are real life examples of best friends who got together in the end. Personally I think it is quite okay for two best friends to date and marry each other in the end. Of course there are arguments that if the best friends got together, it could lead to huge conflict when they have arguments because they know TMI about each other. @enigmatic_zephy I feel that JW drunk calling SHwa has no other special meaning. JWan is too occupied thinking about his relationship with Iksoon. SeokHyeong might be in his world So left JW to be available to call the two to join them at noraebang. All guys were drunk because their mind is too occupied by matters. JWan- R/S with Iksoon SeokHyeong - Family JW - his priesthood decision and leaving IJ - SHwa 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 40somethingahjumma Posted May 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 21, 2020 Today's episode could quite easily be titled "Putting Pressure". To be honest I'm not entirely sure what I think about this episode. I felt very distinctly uncomfortable for a large chunk of it that I'm wondering if it was deliberate. Again I felt that the parts are better than the sum total put together. The medical stuff was good as usual but the show was bordering on being a soap opera at times. Especially with regards to Chi-hong, Ik-jun and Song-hwa. Every scene that included the three of them made me feel so awkward. Like the unfolding of a cold war. Speaking of putting pressure, I felt quite sorry today for Song-hwa... even more than when she had her lump scare. I don't often comment about her because she's an archetype... a Wonderful Woman in the hospital and so there's not really a lot to say. Except possibly in relation to Chi-hong or Ik-jun. However in this recent episode, she essentially became the girl caught in the middle of the love triangle that she wasn't asking to be in. I'm very torn about this issue because I love Chi-hong and Ik-jun but the more important thing is, I'm not sure what Song-hwa feels for either of them beyond friendship or collegiality. This is the thing about Song-hwa I've noticed all throughout: The 4 boys are her friends and de facto brothers. She constantly says that during their meals together when she's scoffing down food in full blown gluttony. "I have 3 brothers" as if to say that they are like brothers to her as well. She doesn't really show any partiality to any of them. I think the possibility that she ends up single is pretty high. I wonder if that being caught between the two men is why she's going off Sokcho for a breather. I'm not her but all things considered... it's not a bad idea. Both men are pretty driven and either would be a good choice. But at the end of the day it isn't about how good they are or how much we love them as individuals. Ultimately it's Song-hwa's choice. The guys have done their bit and thrown down the gauntlet... it's what men do when they want something enough.. the jousting has started. I can understand from both perspectives but a woman's heart can't be won entirely by sympathy or having the advantage of years and familiarity. They can start this "cold war" all they like but there are other variables at play for her. Does she really want to have a long-term relationship? Does she want to change her dynamics with both Chi-hong and Ik-jun so drastically? It's not a simple thing for her as it might be for the viewers. It would not surprise me in the least if she didn't want to have to choose between the two men. Also turning one down might not automatically mean acceptance of another. She's a grown woman with a stellar career in medicine. She doesn't seem interested in having her own kids even if she enjoys playing with other people's children. This is one of the reasons why I'm not that invested in this trio's romantic misadventures because Song-hwa herself is an unknown variable. She doesn't seem that ready to deal with the blowback from having to deal with this. There seems also to be a tacit assumption by some in the fanbase that Song-hwa is somehow the central character of this drama. That's why she's being perceived as being the subject of a reverse harem. I don't agree and I don't see any evidence of it because there are episode and times when the focus on her is minimal and are on the men and residents. In some cases, the residents' arcs are equal to or dominate that of the so-called "primary characters". To me the real star and central character of the show is the hospital itself. The Flawed Five are its heart and all the medicos are crucial organs that keep it functioning. This is why the show routinely pays tribute to so-called "support" staff like So Mi's mum, Nurse Song. She's a star in every way because she has to run a well-oiled machine from her end and be on top of what goes on so that the rest of her department or the hospital in general can function at optimum. She is a crucial part of the hospital's engine. Without her things could quite easily fall apart. It was a deeply moving moment when her daughter posted that video she made of her mother working hard and doing her very best for everyone. From that we should understand that the show itself doesn't insist that we watch it like we watch your average rom com or melodrama. This show affirms week after week that all the people in it are important in its storytelling. In this way, it really reminds me of Prison Playbook where the two best friends, supposedly core characters, often play second fiddle to so-called side characters and guest appearances. The interaction patterns right across the hospital are fascinating to watch. Some are via the residents, some via the Five. The old friendships and the emerging ones blending, expanding in several directions. This is exactly how it was in Prison Playbook. I don't know what it is that Reply 88 did to traumatize people so much. From everything I've heard, both men were equal contenders all throughout. And the husband hunt there was established right from the word go. In the case of Hospital Playlist, we've already completed 11 episodes and while we may have a love triangle there's no husband hunt in sight. That's never been the emphasis of the show. There's been no attempt to game the audience in that regard. All of the love lines were established very early on and that's borne out by the way those love lines have been played all throughout the last 10 episodes. Chi-hong, Gyeo-ul, Min-ah, Ik-sun and even Ik-jun. They were confirmed loudly and clearly in the last 2 episodes. At this point I'm thinking that even if JW and Gyeo-ul elope to Italy, there will still be those who think that the writer is gaming us. Pressure was put on the wife of the cirrhosis case to donate her liver by the in-laws. (Yay, another PP cameo) I knew something was up when they all seemed to be on appearance concerned for their son. But thankfully Ik-jun could see that the woman was unwilling and supported her by putting down all the cards on the table. It's telling that they piled on her to be the donor rather than volunteer themselves like Episode 9's donor dad who also had health issues. It's also noteworthy that the show focused on the little boy in the room playing with the objects as if to say that his needs have to be considered too in this entire discussion. It's no secret how I feel about the WinterGarden dynamic and today the show brought out the biggest gun of all. With Mama Rosa on board this ship as a jangma, my confidence is renewed re: its long-term viability. Dr Long Winter will likely have no mother-in-law issues. And yes the pressure is now on for her too. While she may ask him to stay for medicine and pediatrics, I don't think she will use herself as leverage. The scene which Rosa witnesses between Jeong-won and Gyeo-ul in the outdoor garden was an extension from last week's telephone conversation where JW quickly and unequivocally said, "It's not Songhwa". Even if that was a mere slip of the tongue, he's not leaking or slipping now, he's bleeding everywhere. The scene achieved 2 purposes. It showed that what he said on the phone wasn't a mere slip of the tongue and it confirmed yes, Jeong-won really does like Gyeo-ul. It was a lovely and adorable moment to see both of them smiling with so much genuine pleasure. Dr Winter in particular. I'm so happy that she's progressing so well in the medical side of things and that he respects her ability well enough to let her take the lead in that surgery. He was full of praise as well. Wow... that conversation... it must be the most relaxed one I've ever seen between them. I looked outside to see if the sky was intact. The question that remains for me is "will he stay". For me that's always been the game that the writer started. Not necessarily for her but because there are many extremely good reasons to... as outlined by the show itself. But there's no doubting that she's a factor and a wildcard here. I did enjoy Min-ah's little scene outside Seok-hyeong's office. It was really cute and when the guys came by and said, "He can't because he's having dinner with us", it was to die for. LOL. Poor girl. Didn't know where to look. Jun-wan is trying so hard not to put pressure on Ik-sun. Poor man. His ship sailed a long time ago but he can't steer it in the direction that he wants it to go. It must be so painful for him to have hold himself back when he desperately, I think wants her to stay. Yeah, it's a tough one. Long distance relationships are notoriously difficult to maintain. Supportive partners like him are probably rarer still. I love how bossy he is with Song-hwa and how sweet he is with Ik-sun. His food races with Song-hwa are always a joy to watch because I love it when people love their food.. because I love mine too. One of these days the other half and I will get to SK and binge eat to our heart's content. 16 17 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post superspace Posted May 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 21, 2020 (edited) How Songhwa "boy friends" react to her moving news: 1) Her meal buddy boy friend: be angry and openly disagree (Junwan) Spoiler Junwan inner feeling: If you are not here, I will be bashed alone for my eating speed! LOL 2) Her son from another mom boy friend: be neutral (Seokhyung) Spoiler Omma is the best! 3) Her Buddha boy friend: try to understand her and support her (Jeongwon) Spoiler Your wellness is my priority, chinggu! 4) Her famous "Inssa" (a.k.a on-fleek) boyfriend: very complicated reactions (Ikjun) What are you doing Ikjun?! Why you didn't say anything?! This isn't you! She's your source of happiness. You just confessed to her after 20 years! I really cannot read his expression. What do you think friends? Edited May 22, 2020 by superspace 12 6 12 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiklaminHo Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 If " Nobody puts Baby in a corner" then definitely "Nobody will put IJ in a corner ". I did not have the time to enjoy our wintergarden's moments from today 's episode and reading your comments makes me worry for the No1 matchmaker of my ship. IJ fighting boy. Wintergardeners have your back! 5 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marites6442@gmail.com Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 First time posting. I am so in love with this drama that I have been recommending it to relatives and friends. Everything was fine except for today's episode - I'm just so sad for Ik Jun - need some company to comfort myself. I can't wait for next Thursday if there's some happiness waiting for my Ik Jun. Hoping this is not like Love Alarm that I'm still waiting for Jojo's decision(please make it Sun Oh). 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew - Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 damn, just went to check naver videos again and now the ikjun singing scene has close to twice the views and likes of the other ep 11 cuts... at this point i dont really care if ikjun gets together with songhwa, please at least make him happy at the finale... 9 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ameera Ali Posted May 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 22, 2020 @ktcjdrama @triplem I should change my mind on Kdrama chaebol son’s mom first meeting with their son crush ~ what I usually expect ~ what we got 5 20 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lalazhiii Posted May 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 22, 2020 In the scene when Ikjun entered the apartment again while Junwan-Iksun were sharing a kiss, there was no sound of the lock password opening ( you know that ringing sound like when SHwa entered last ep) just a door opening. Did he pretend to leave but stayed behind the wall cuz the two were being suspicous? And just pretended to open the door again? and carried Uju away from this aunt and uncle being lovey dovey? Or U can just use a key to open these doors? he knows he soooo knows 4 31 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktcjdrama Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 I think IJ does know who was on the phone with JWan. He could hear that it was GW’s voice when he spoke to her about the surgery, so IJ must have heard IS’s voice as well from JWan’s phone. Especially she mentioned Uju’s name as IJ walked in. 17 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ryanallright Posted May 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 22, 2020 I am checking out the reaction from the Chinese fans. One of the theory is interesting and seem logical. She were saying that IJ actually know about the relationship of JWan and his sister. IJ is not on-call or on duty for that day but he went to the hospital to prepare for his trip to Spain. As we know, in the end he was playing Solitaire, so maybe he is giving them a chance to have some couple time together. IJ might have know when he saw the nickname in the car during the earlier episode. When Ahn visit IJ's office, he chase JWan out as it is family matter. JWan was jealous of Ahn at the cafeteria and when he try to ask to talk to IJ alone, he had to act blur when IJ ask why and what he wanna talk about. Trying to eavesdrop on JWan's phone call Purposely say out loud that she wanna eat snow crab for JWan to eavesdrop Leaving the house and coming back to kind of prank them. All seem logical. LMAO Next, on this. P.S to mod, the above is two gif, not four. Including the below, it is only three. I suppose I did not break the rules. A number of the chinese fans were unhappy with Ahn, they don't like his behaviour at the gathering and wishing to speak informally to SHwa. They feel that IJ will confess because he forced him to, But what trigger them was the shoulder pat by Ahn in the car. Why is he trying to do what IJ did in the lift...... They even mentioned about the restaurant scene in the previous episode, the scene when he remove the hair from her jacket. They feel that SHwa look uncomfortable and already kind of rejected him but he is still pushing it. Spoiler Quoting a fan, this look by IJ is full of sarcasm, drunkenness, seriousness and a bit of frustration. JJS is really good at acting. Another chinese fan had explained this scene. Translation might not be 100% perfect. During the first time Dr Heo ask IJ the question, to avoid awkwardness and letting SHwa to feel uncomfortable, he chose to drink the alcohol. By drinking it in one shot, it is also a form of punishment for himself for not able to confess to her in the past and saying goodbye to his old self. Although the ring he bought was a simple one and did not managed to confess, the love for SHwa remains. IJ had did nothing wrong at all, cannot blame him as for his age that time, he still can't think clearly. He chose to give up on first love and himself for friendship with the four and this bring about the 20 years of friendship among them. When Ahn forced him to give an answer to that question, he finally said yes as he faced the feeling that were hidden in his heart all along for the past 20 years and this is also his respect towards SHwa. At the noraebang, with that song, he finally released all the feeling that he had kept inside him for the past 20 years. His drunkenness kind of make him awake and the song make him realise that his love for SHwa had not changed at all for the past 20 years. Although the rain might have erased the line between them, why not also have the rain to assist them to look into their inner heart, have the love for each other disappeared? When SHwa mentioned that she is going to Sokcho, the usually playful IJ became quiet and look kind of uncomfortable. Just like when SHwa told them she is going to the hospital for her test result, he was also quiet and showed up on the next day to accompany her. Hearing this subtle confession which was late for 20 years, SHwa had to think clearly why he did not confess in the 1st place because he knew SeokHyeong had just confessed to her that day. IJ had enjoyed having a meal and coffee with her and SHwa do not mind his playfulness. Right now, SHwa need to sort out her thought and see if she still love him as before. She have to understand if she still feel happy if he is not there for her and not there to bring laughter and joy. IJ had never left and SHwa still give her brightest smile to him but inside their inner heart, is there still love? Personally I think IJ's marriage might be his regret as he is not the one who took action but U-ju is his world. However, the love for SHwa had not diminish at all, he still keep a place in his heart for her. The only concern is how SHwa feel now, does she feel the same for him as 20 years ago??? Even Ik-sun feel that they should be together and she even check with JWan if they have feelings for one another. Of course, JWan does not know and replied no. 30 2 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ainipang Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 What if jeongwon is away becuz he go to other country to help them as doctor. You know like volunteering doctor.. since we never heard from him directly why he dont want to work at yulje anymore. Jeongwon can tell directly the reason why he want to stop working right since that doctor is kinda close with jeongwon but he did not. Im just thinking that there may be plot twist on why jeongwon want to stop working. Either he is sick or wanted to become doc at another place. Or maybe he want to continue studyy.. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enigmatic_zephy Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 38 minutes ago, ktcjdrama said: I think IJ does know who was on the phone with JWan. He could hear that it was GW’s voice when he spoke to her about the surgery, so IJ must have heard IS’s voice as well from JWan’s phone. Especially she mentioned Uju’s name as IJ walked in. You know what, add another bit to it.. Iksun never asked for snowcrabs.. i am positive 4 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milkokoa Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 I get the feeling there was something more that happened in 1999 btwn Ikjun and Songhwa, with the girlfriend thing and how her reaction to all Ikjun's confession in the recent days. Ep 11 is just so sad to me, i can't even laugh at some of the joke. Ikjun is basically a living corpse. So miserable 3 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawaiiprincess1987 Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 During the drinking game, when CH asked IJ to answer if he has ever had feeling for SH, IJ answered, "I have. Of course, I have." I read somewhere that it was said in the Korean present tense? Can anyone confirm? If I will take it at face value of the English translation, it appears to be "I have (had feelings for her)", which was not directly saying he still has feelings for her, but merely answering the question. (of course we all know he still has feelings for her) Also, I am not familiar with Korean honorifics/banmal/casual language/formal language... can anyone help me understand what CH meant when he asked to talk to SH casually? Like, if it was in English, how different is the casual language vs formal language? Thank you! My Ik-Song heart is still broken. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanallright Posted May 22, 2020 Share Posted May 22, 2020 5 minutes ago, kawaiiprincess1987 said: During the drinking game, when CH asked IJ to answer if he has ever had feeling for SH, IJ answered, "I have. Of course, I have." I read somewhere that it was said in the Korean present tense? Can anyone confirm? If I will take it at face value of the English translation, it appears to be "I have (had feelings for her)", which was not directly saying he still has feelings for her, but merely answering the question. (of course we all know he still has feelings for her) My view is that he is still subtly hinting when he replied. He know inside him, his love had not diminished. Spoiler gifs credit to captainjoongki tumblr This is IJ's true feeling, using drunkenness to mask it. SHwa should be able to catch on this hint but she is avoiding it now. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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