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[Drama 2019] When the Camellia Blooms, 동백꽃 필무렵

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@confusedheart326 WOW, What a compliment! Thanks a lot for this!! :wub: 

I would like to add another observation. There is another reason why I suspect that the waitress will be killed. Her hair. Remember that in the last episode, she was at the hairdresser's, when she was verbally attacked. No one could see her hair as it was covered by a pink towel. But it is clear that she was getting a new hairstyle... So The joker will assault the victim during the night, hence the serial killer can not distinguish her from Dongbaek, especially if she has a hairstyle similar to Dongbaek and she is wearing the bracelet. 

I have been thinking that since Dongbaek told her ex-boyfriend that she was married and the latter heard that she was dating YS, hence she might decide to give the bracelet to the waitress in order to keep deceiving her ex-boyfriend. She has to maintain the illusion that she has a man next to her.

 

Furthermore, if the serial killer killed women, the police will first think that the joker is a man. I am also suspecting that the hatred towards DB will be so immense hence the perpetrator not only kills a woman (the waitress in my opinion), but also "she" wants to destroy that face therefore the face is smashed to the point that no one can recognize the face of the victim. I do think that everyone will mistake the identity of the victim and think, Dongbaek died. I have also the feeling that once they discover that DB is alive, she will be suspected as if she had been faking her death in order to hide herself and her son from her ex-boyfriend. 

 

She has reasons to deceive him. First of all, she is single and she is financially struggling, whereas he is married and has a good income. After discovering that he has a son, he could decide to ask for KGP's custody.  That's why he is described as "bad man". He is definitely selfish...

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Got round to eps 1 . I love the weirdo that is Yong Shik . Straight laced & upright - so refreshing in k drama land. Have seen KHN in a few shows & he does not disappoint here with his dorky expressions & unabashed admiration for Dong Baek. He made me laugh a lot . While I think there’s a lot that DB needs to iron out especially between Jang Ryuk & herself ( and Pil Gu) , I do root for YS as well . 

 

Dong Baek’s character is very unique- I was a little worried the drama will go an extreme ends of either having the female lead that is helpless or one that is overtly fierce . DB wins me over because she shows great strength & resilience without having to make a show of it . Loved it when she told the neighbourhood ahjummas that she is not ashamed of anything. Very nice message  about keeping  your head held high in the face of prejudice. I know a single unmarried mum in SK is such a taboo . So I thoroughly empathise with her ..

 

I enjoyed watching the rest of the cast too especially the nosy ladies . Aigooo , the poor men in that little town ! So hen pecked , spies everywhere- no wonder Camellia is an oasis of sorts for them. Very happy to see Oh Jung Se play the stingy landlord here . He’s very good in these  kind of roles - he was so good as the CEO in Touch Your Heart 

 

And finally a note for my dear oppa Kim Ji Seok . I was a  tad disappointed he turned down some other lead roles to play second fiddle here . But at a recent fan meet , he assured fans that this script is very good & he could not pass up the chance of taking on this role . While his screen time is limited in eps 1 , I can see why he’s doing this . Jang Ryuk & DB do  not just have  a lot of history between them , there’s unresolved feelings & more importantly a child they both share which in my opinion will need co-parenting .. DB does not need to end up with JR but at the very least Pil Goo needs to be given the chance to know his dad & vice versa. I think one of the messages of this drama is about breaking down prejudices, and blended families can work. I think JR’s arc will be interesting to watch . Also oppa & a baby makes me root for his growth even though he’s the “bad guy “ here :D 

 

The drama promoted on Entertainment Weekly 

 

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I watched the first two episodes (4 mini episodes). I was surprised when I saw the murder scene in this drama. I was expecting a light, rom com but it is OK. Mystery is my favorite genre.

 

I don`t think Dong Baek will be killed but it broke my heart to see Yong Shik walking to the crime scene thinking that the woman he loves might be the victim. There is the bracelet but they did not show the victim`s face. I also think that the the victim is Hyang-Mi. I think Dong Baek will give her the bracelet or she will give it to someone else, someone who will be with Dong Baek when the killer approach her place. Either way, I am sorry for the victim, whoever it will be. From Yong Shik`s reaction when he saw the victim, it looks like he knows the victim, he cares for her but it was not the woman he loves.

 

I knew that Kang Jong-Ryeol is the father of Pil-Goo before he came to the playground. Now the love triangle will be formed. It was funny how all the men who like Dong Baek were there in the last scene, included No Kyu-Tae. :D

Yong Shik is a weirdo but he is so innocent. He carries his heart on his sleeve. I also like how he empathizes with Pil Goo, he also was a boy without his father, "protecting" his mother from gossip, mean boys.

 

At first, Deok-Soon won`t like to hear that his son likes Dong Baek.  Yong-Sik`s mother bragged about a lawyer daughter in law but she will accept Dong Baek eventually. She is the only one who took her side in the neighborhood.

 

 

  

   
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Kim Ji Suk Talks About His Role In “When The Camellia Blooms,” Love For Acting, And More

 
Sep 21, 2019
by Y. Shin
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Kim Ji Suk recently posed for the October issue of Singles magazine!

After the photo shoot, Kim Ji Suk participated in an interview to talk about his recent drama “When the Camellia Blooms.”

“When the Camellia Blooms” tells the stories of three couples in different stages of love. Moreover, the drama focuses on the romance that blossoms between Dong Baek (Gong Hyo Jin), a woman who is trapped in a certain perception about love, and Yong Shik (Kang Ha Neul), who shows undying support and love for her.

Kim Ji Suk, who lost over 15 pounds and grew a beard for the drama, plays Kang Jong Ryul, a professional baseball player who is married to social media star Jessica (played by Ji Yi Soo).

When asked why he chose the drama, Kim Ji Suk stated, “I treasure all the projects I’ve acted in so far, but I can confidently tell you that objectively, [‘When the Camellia Blooms’] is really fun. First of all, the script is amazing. Even if I didn’t star in the drama, I probably would’ve made sure to tune in. Aren’t dramas a genre that satisfies fantasies? In that sense, you won’t be able to take your eyes off [‘When the Camellia Blooms’] the entire time.”

 

more https://www.soompi.com/article/1353890wpp/kim-ji-suk-talks-about-his-role-in-when-the-camellia-blooms-love-for-acting-and-more

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Managed to watch both episodes 1 and 2. Thank God Netflix updates the next day after the original airing. I hope it will be consistent since other series on Netflix sometimes post new episodes late. 

 

Anyway, I checked the ratings and the second half of episode 4 got the highest ratings. I understand why. I cried buckets, especially in the train station scene. Hearing that DB wanted to hear thank you, that it must be amazing to be viewed by others as helpful, AND THEN seeing YS feel for her and understand where she is coming from. I want these two to be happy!! I also love that YS's mom has been looking out for DB and her son. :wub:

 

Also, since this series was written by the screenwriter for Fight for My Way, I can see patterns of how they write male leads. Both Park Seo Jun's character and YS are the type who "don't think much" but let their emotions just take control, although PSJ and KHN approach it differently (sidenote: I like KHN's better). I like it. It's refreshing to see men just go for it, you know, because I like the idea that they don't hesitate to feel and you know it's pure, unadulterated love without the complexities. :heart:

 

*I feel a KHN obsession coming on, although I've loved him since Twenty. This series may up that obsession a bit lol

 

Edit: One more thing, I think this series' charm is because of how the little neighborhood Dongbaek lives in is such a character in itself. It's one of the reasons why I love Reply 1988, and that element is here too. I LOVE IT. It shows you the writer's talent and commitment in building a story. Yes, some of the women in the neighborhood are so ugh, and the landlord is such a sexist (although I love the actor lol) but it's a familiar community because it exists in real life.

 

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9 hours ago, Latte_Anyday said:

Is it me that sees Ha Neul trying to suppress his laughter in their scenes together?

 

...While I like that the women rule the roost, they still need to work on their stinky attitudes:rolleyes:

 

Her role as a bar owner is a thankless and painful one as you can see she gets discriminated by the women but taken advantage of by the men<_<

 

No kidding, I've watched KHN before so I am not surprised he is enjoying the fun on set.  He's quite natural in these kind of roles, no doubt he will be fine if the drama decides to take a darker serious turn.  I just love how light handed the storytelling is to deliver the points to ponder that we have noticed so far.

 

Dong Baek's personality is what made the bar a success.  Her dignified way of living her life, taking accountability for her actions, always be kind to others... allow her male customers a space to be.  No judgment, no expectations.  A place where they are not being talked down to cuz Dong Baek understands how demeaning it is to be treated that way.  I think only some men take advantage of her, most notably Mr Noh.  But then, his is a case of buying respect and friendship (like he did with everyone around town), something he lacked at home. I think he has the potential on the redemption train later on. :lol:

 

By the way, his running for political office could turn the tide for the men later on over their wives.  He's on a crusade that the male citizens don't quite get yet.  LOL Ongsan is a town that live on their crab business.  The women are bitching and drive apart each other with their small mindedness.  Imagine if everyone becomes nicer to her neighbors, the town can unite to make that food alley a tourist magnet to benefit all.  'Tis where our Mr Noh can help.:D

 

 

7 hours ago, confusedheart326 said:

I loved YS's mom's reaction when DB jokingly asked her if she was willing to consider her as a DIL as her youngest son was now back in town. :D So I am expecting some fireworks there but I am sure eventually the mother would accept her with open arms. DB has already made a place for herself and her son in her heart.

 

Oh and did I mention how my heart hurt when  DB and her ex were sitting and discussing the past. It broke my heart to see how much she loved that guy. She still continues to wear that bracelet which he got her! What does that mean for our adorable YS? Will he get a chance to make his place in her heart?

 

 

Pil Go's scenes with Deok-Soon and Yong Shik are definitely reflective.  Yong Shik watches Pil Go fighting off the other boys bring back memories of his own childhood' bullying. I am glad he took actions to help Pil Go now that he is an adult who has the power to.  It's a lovely gesture all the more because he can relate to the boy's arcade love and help him indulge in that kind of joy at this age.  Captain Byun remarked that Yong Shik is cooler when he gets physical than instead of using his brain.  YS proved him wrong here thus I am proud to see YS acted with his heart and brain here.  For Deok-Soon, it was no surprise for me to see her feeding Pil Go.  She is after all, Yong Shik's mother;  genetics wise, the DNA are similar.  What she can give Pil Go is the comfort of wisdom coming from age that Dong Baek is still searching for.  Someone for him to go to for guidance instead of feeling frustrated from having to be the protector of his mom.  A second person in this town that could like his mom.  A chance to be a kid.  All that is on the assumption that Deok-Soon will embrace Dong Baek which I think she will :D

 

Yes, I love the scene where Dong Baek and Jong-Ryeol united.  

 

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She was a 23 year old girl who wanted a family

 

To Dong Baek, Pil Go was never a mistake.  He expands her world so that she is no longer alone in this world.  There is nothing to be ashamed of to this woman who feels she has so much love to give and having a child brings that much needed love her way. It's simple as that.  A personal need that doesn't have to go by society rules.  I really like that the drama explains love based on this simple idea.  Dong Baek's love for Pil-Go is also as pure as Yong Shik's love for Pil-Go's mom.

 

 

On 9/19/2019 at 9:51 AM, ErikaJ said:

My prediction is that both the side relationships (the peanut guy lol and his lawyer wife/ Kim Ji Suk's character and his instagram wife) will fall back in love with each other via finding out why they fell in love with each other in the first place. Also, in the drama's description, it says that Dong Baek's love interests are a "good, bad, and cheap guy". The good guy is Haneul's character, the cheap guy I'm assuming is the land lord, and the bad guy...is unfortunately Kim Ji Suk. He definitely seems like he's a family man, so I'm looking forward to him redeeming himself by becoming more involved with his son's life, even if it excludes being with his mother. 

 

My thoughts same.  Don't be a joke, the writing is.  A joke is what Jong-Ryeol is to his IG-crazy wife.  BTW, what kind of a woman treat her child that way, let alone her hsb!!?  What I want to know is if Jong-Ryeol married for love?  Professional baseball players are magnet for groupies... did he marry her because of her pregnancy? :D  She for his pocketbook and fancy house?  Would he stay in the marriage if not for reputation, the TV show, society norms?  Would he be as courageous and true as Dong Baek to live his life as a single dad?  I don't totally wish for their marriage to work out. If the drama chose that route, I am ok once the characters have gone through the growing up phase.  I would be more interested if Jong-Ryeol live his life putting his own happiness and the child's best interest as top priorities.

 

 

6 hours ago, triplem said:

 

Dong Baek’s character is very unique- I was a little worried the drama will go an extreme ends of either having the female lead that is helpless or one that is overtly fierce . DB wins me over because she shows great strength & resilience without having to make a show of it . 

 

 Jang Ryuk & DB do  not just have  a lot of history between them , there’s unresolved feelings & more importantly a child they both share which in my opinion will need co-parenting .. DB does not need to end up with JR but at the very least Pil Goo needs to be given the chance to know his dad & vice versa. I think one of the messages of this drama is about breaking down prejudices, and blended families can work. I think JR’s arc will be interesting to watch . Also oppa & a baby makes me root for his growth even though he’s the “bad guy “ here :D 

 

Hiya.  Love your points, esp from a mom!  :D Episode 2 shows how fragile Dong Baek's footing is or how hard it is to remain unflinchingly strong in face of ahjummas yelling into your face.  It breaks one's spirit in face of that kind of physical bullying you know. Despite Yong Shik, Pil-Go and even Hyang-Mi fighting for her, Dong Baek can't help not being affected.  No wonder she took her long walk at night to the quiet train station.  One cannot be the receiving end of such abuse at all time, what Dong Baek needs is the strength to make a change.  I think this is where someone like Yong Shik is invaluable.  Not only in the sense that he will do things for her but more to give her the support to make the change with his support.  Let her see that she is not an outcast with no friend in the world.  Her first step is to regain confidence in herself as a person.

 

Good point.  When will Dong Baek tell Pil-Go about his father?  Would it be before or after Jong-ryeol reaching out?  I am also worry for Pil-Go's reactions.  The boy has a survivor strong personality so it will take time to settle all the anger and hurt.  I do think the "bad guy" is meant for JR in a sense of the "deadbeat dad", I don't think he is the killer "Joker".  How Jong-Ryeol act from here out will let us see if he is the hero off the field as well.  Seeing Dong Baek's loving mother son relationship would no doubt make him self reflect on his own relationship with Jessica.

 

4 hours ago, larus said:

 

I don`t think Dong Baek will be killed but it broke my heart to see Yong Shik walking to the crime scene thinking that the woman he loves might be the victim. There is the bracelet but they did not show the victim`s face. I also think that the the victim is Hyang-Mi. I think Dong Baek will give her the bracelet or she will give it to someone else, someone who will be with Dong Baek when the killer approach her place. Either way, I am sorry for the victim, whoever it will be. From Yong Shik`s reaction when he saw the victim, it looks like he knows the victim, he cares for her but it was not the woman he loves.

 

The germanium bracelet is significant for Dong Baek as it signifies not only her first love (whom she still harbors feelings for) but it is about her son's father.  Holding on to it is not disregarding the past that she is not embarrassed about.  I am guessing we will eventually see Dong Baek taking off the bracelet - when she is ready to move on and be at peace with the past.  The bracelet was a gift given to her when JR promised to be her father, uncle, etc... She will part with it when she allows another person (hopefully YS) to take over.

 

The bracelet will end up in another person's wrist in a more meaningful way rather I hope.  Not just casually stolen by Hyang Mi. :)

 

The only thing I know is that the killing took place 5 years after the graffiti on the wall was written.  The cafe has been opened for 6 years?  We still have to figure out the timeline to narrow down the suspect.  If it is indeed a murder.  I still have doubt about the death being circumstantial or accidental.  

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56 minutes ago, lollyminx said:

I cried buckets, especially in the train station scene. Hearing that DB wanted to hear thank you, that it must be amazing to be viewed by others as helpful, AND THEN seeing YS feel for her and understand where she is coming from. I want these two to be happy!!

 I loved that scene also. I also liked the beginning of that scene, when Yong Shik asked her to confess her dream. She did not say it at first but in the end she talked about her thoughts.

 

42 minutes ago, bedifferent said:

  Holding on to it is not disregarding the past that she is not embarrassed about.  I am guessing we will eventually see Dong Baek taking off the bracelet - when she is ready to move on and be at peace with the past.  The bracelet was a gift given to her when JR promised to be her father, uncle, etc... She will part with it when she allows another person (hopefully YS) to take over.

 

Yeah. It is exactly what I thought when I was thinking of a reason for Dong Baek to give up that bracelet. It is a sign that she wants a new life, to move on, that she is ready to accept fully Yong Shik.

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@lollyminx I love that cat of yours! :love: I agree with you on the neighbourhood having a quaint small town charm. It's very realistic. Yes, the ladies are super mean and nosy but that's true for many small town neighbourhood ladies who feel threatened by an arrival of an outsider.  The talented writer does deserve the credit for the concept.

 

I love the location. I can appreciate it a lot more because on Netflix I can get the best picture quality. Very detail is so much magnified. The location gives me the feels of another drama of Gong Hyo-jin, 'Thank You' where she was absolutely brilliant! But then she is brilliant in every project that she takes up! But without diverting, the set/location/ setting seems similar to 'Thank You'. I some day wish to visit Jeungdo, where the fictional island was set. 

 

I find the whole experience of watching this drama quite delightful as the characters seem to be refreshing, the location stunning. (The sunset scene as the two leads stood talking on their way to the railway station). As an audience, it's a great sensory experience and I do appreciate the production team for such detailed handwork and thoughtfulness. In this age of VFX, creating a simple canvas is often more challenging than a grand VFX rich one.

 

I should stop waxing lyrical about the drama and move on to another but this gives me 'Thank You' feels and I can not stop shamelessly fan-girling about 'Thank You'.

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Life happens here

 

 

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Famous quote :D

 

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On 5/21/2019 at 8:06 AM, 0ly40 said:

The drama is a romantic thriller comedy

 

I guess if I had read the first post of this thread, I wouldn't have been surprised.  :lol: 

But, I think I'll enjoy it a little more because of the mystery, with one major condition--that the victim is NOT Dong Baek.

 

I am terrible at reading clues, but I was thinking along the lines that Yong-sik's father was an early victim of Joker, and his mother is the latest victim.

 

Kang Ha-neul is a revelation in this role as a bumpkin!  I love it when he says, "They all think I'm from Seoul."  LOL  Even I can tell from his speech and mannerisms that he lacks that city sophistication.  But that doesn't dim his charm!

 

Thanks for all the comments!

 

 

 

 

 

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When the Camellia Blooms: Episodes 1-2

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[Our newest group of recapper trainees has been hard at work for When the Camellia Blooms. We hope you enjoy the recaps and say hello to @fencejumper!–stroopwafel]

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When the Camellia Blooms is off to a strong start and the premiere bursts with just the right amount of humor and charm. Set in a sleepy village, our two protagonists lead very different lives and don’t seem like a perfect match for each other. But sometimes love finds you when and where you least expect it.

 

 
EPISODE 1: “The woman with the germanium bracelet”

 

http://www.dramabeans.com/2019/09/when-the-camellia-blooms-episodes-1-2/

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Regarding that Soompi article shared (above this post), I agree with #2: The "Falling in Love at First Sight" trope and Kang Ha Neul. 

 

I don't believe in love at first sight but I set that aside while watching this because I love that they show HOW Yong Sik is slowly falling in love with Dong Baek. It's not only in the bookstore scene but throughout the episodes. I love that they're showing him clutching his chest, and at which moments he's feeling the "burning sensation of love" like when Dong Baek explained why she wants to work at a lost and found, when Dong Baek defended Son Dam Bi's character versus the mean neighbors, etc. It's so cute because you can see WHY he's falling in love with her - her principles and tenacity although she's quiet and seems weak, her passion, her points of view, etc. 

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They celebrated Son Dam Bi's birthday on set.

Today's recaps here . Thanks to @V at dramamilk

https://www.dramamilk.com/when-the-camellia-blooms-episode-3-live-recap/

 

Looks like Yong Shik makes his feelings known to DB...but I think she won't accept him , at least not now. But regardless , I think he wants to protect her and even shows her that there are looneys everywhere - showed her a writing on the wall ( which was actually by the serial killer.)

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The bickering and tension btwn stingy landlord and YS always cracks me up...

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JR checking out on Pil Goo. Concerned that PG doesn't have a father figure.

So it seems JR had always talked a lot of DB in the past . Compared to his wife now , everyone knew who DB was and how much JR was into her. Honestly wondered what led them to separate.

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Yikes, the serial killer had been a regular at the bar 6 years ago

 

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1 hour ago, triplem said:

The bickering and tension btwn stingy landlord and YS always cracks me up...

Same! I love the actor playing the landlord. I first saw him in Touch Your Heart and then randomly in several movies I saw after (i.e. Swing Kids, Extreme Job, and the Tazza movies). He's much like actor Kim Won Hae. You don't actively follow their projects but they just randomly appear in kdramas and kmovies you watch lol. He's funny. I like him.

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Congratulations to cast & crew - 10%! 

@lollyminx I first saw him in this drama called Plus Nine Boys . I recommend it if you hv time . But yes I liked him as CEO in TYH. A very seasoned actor with great comical timing . In fact I think this drama is well-casted 

 

 

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