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[Drama 2020] The King: Eternal Monarch, 더 킹: 영원의 군주

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  1. 1. Favourite kiss scene? (pick one)

    • The first kiss scene after the first crossing into his world
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    • The 1st goodbye kiss in ROK
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    • The 2nd Goodbye kiss in ROK
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    • The beheading kiss scene/inconsiderate scene
    • Post saving kiss scene
    • Episode 10 kiss by future LG
    • Reunion kiss scene
    • CCTV kiss scene
  2. 2. What type of setting and world do you want TKEM S2 to take place in?

    • post-World war 3 in the year 2050s in ROK where Korea is turned into dystopia (LGXJTE and Lee JunXJTR team up to save ROK)
    • Should take place in the far future where LGXJTE fight evil forces from the year 2784 with assistance from Lee JunXJTR
    • Should remain and fight injustice in the currently timeline with additional arc for JTR-LJH
    • Do you want it to take place instead in the far-past going way back to the beginning of Korea like 10.000BC back
    • Do you want them to go further back in time like 30.000-50.000 BC
  3. 3. Do you want shower scenes in the S2 & PG13 or R-Rated?

    • Yes plenty of shower scenes please
    • No to shower scenes
    • Yes I will take 1-2 Shower scenes
    • Should S2 remain PG13
    • Should S2 become R-rated in the sequel

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Hi everyone..  

It's me again.

 

Let me share some optimism.

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I'm not kidding.

I'm really trying to be optimistic here.

 

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LAST CHANCE!!!

 

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I keep rewatching the episode and does anyone share the same thoughts as I do? I really like the scene where JTE is pleading for KSJ to give her the flute piece and to let her go and KSJ trying to make her stay so she won't die... I think that might be my favourite scene in the episode, followed closely by the scene where LG says goodbye to JTE (goshdarnit they really had to cram so many heartbreaking scenes in one episode)

The music was so on point, and the acting too...

I never really got super invested in KSJ's story but to me that point somehow broke me real hard when KSJ confessed (and as others have said earlier it isn't because he wants her to love him back but it's a desperation to cling on to something real in his life and keeping her alive since his life has basically been nightmares... and she's basically the closest thing that is real to him)

And also how JTE took things into her own hands and basically couldn't bear to wait anymore for LG and instead commit to following her destiny no matter where it took her (to death or to LG or to wherever). Oof... And I think the translation on Netflix is a bit off I'm pretty sure she didn't say "Please help me" she said "Please save me" followed by how she thinks she would die if she doesn't leave... That really hit me hard ;-; 

That scene was legendary to me. Am I the exception in thinking of it so highly? I keep watching it and I keep crying arghhh

Ah yes, I'm still a loser (LIGHTING OF THE SHOES WHYYY)

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17 minutes ago, gwin said:

 

But how did LG remember what happened in the alternate timeline?  How?  During that time (from 1994-2020) he was stuck trying to get back to her.  

 

LG has always been in the in-between place from 1994-2020, and occasionally going out to meet JTE at certain points in time.  That much is clear to us, because he didn't age and he didn't change appearance (or clothing).  He said himself that he couldn't keep on visiting her at various points in time because the flute was slowly disintegrating.

 

And take note, their memories did not change.  Based on the dialogue (unless the subtitles are wrong again), it seems that they remember both the initial timeline and the new timeline.    The old events did not change.


I'm not being sarcastic, but from a storytelling perspective, the could not have gained those memories.

 

And I'm not even talking about the other people around them... so now what... they have also two memories?

 

 

I enjoy this show, I really do, but this is one storytelling booboo they didn't have to make, really.

 

Idk but I don't really see it as a mistake or sumth. It's just a very different approach to time travel. They're not creating new timelines; they are altering a single timeline. May I quote some of my previous thoughts?

 

40 minutes ago, Wanderer062287 said:

When he went back to the present, he is already the LG 2.0 who is returning into a world that is lived out by the BB LG he saved when he went back. He is one and the same person, but with a new set of memories because of the alterations he did while going back to the present. 

 

40 minutes ago, Wanderer062287 said:

In reference to my thoughts above, I think when LG1 went back to the present (the one we got at the start of episode 15), he has essentially merged to become one and the same person with the BB LG he saved (I think LG2 in your definition). LG2's time travel arc became one and the same with LG1. As you said, LG2 would not be able to travel back without LL2 traveling back too (which we're assuming he won't do anymore because of what happened in the past), so he never really left. BUT when LG1 has finally caught up to the present, he became an LG that both time-traveled and did not time-travel. Essentially, he ceased to be LG1, and became LG 2.0 with two sets of memories from then on. 

 

40 minutes ago, Wanderer062287 said:

I guess my thoughts above can apply to this too. He has memories from his original timeline, but once he returned and become the very same BB LG he saved when he went back to the past, he acquired a new set of memories - the ones that BB LG lived.

 

Although I must say you raised a very good point regarding the rest of the world having different sets of memories now (those who would have had been affected by any of the effects of LG's actions). Maybe in our terms it's what we can refer to as a deja vu of some sort. Im just not sure if that's a good enough explanation.

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18 minutes ago, gwin said:

But how did LG remember what happened in the alternate timeline?  How?  During that time (from 1994-2020) he was stuck trying to get back to her. 

 

Its the Same way How did JY/SJ/JTE remember what Their PAST versions did. 

 

In terms of IT, OS version is same a patch is applied which leads an OS with better Functionality lol.

 

Lets just say OUR LG and OUR JTE got seperated, OUR LG placed memories onto PAST JTE and hence JTE became upgraded patched with New memories.

 

Essentially the same thing happened with LG.

 

Upgraded LG had new memories patched onto by PAST JTE who then already had OUR LG's memory of him.visiting her in 2016 and 94, PAST JTE became more responsive had earlier and sweeter actions.

 

Now both OUR LG and OUR JTE even if they are in the OWN TIMELINE have upgraded memories because one and the other patched/instilled those actions differently what now is their past.

 

Essentially there are still 1 flute half of each with other, 1 LG; 1 JTE.BOTG JTE/LG merged somehow with their own self.

 

LG1/LG2=LGUpgraded.

Lg was not reinstalled he was just Upgraded.

 

This is Single timeline Altercation like someone said above.

 

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Just now, gwin said:

 

But how did LG remember what happened in the alternate timeline?  How?  During that time (from 1994-2020) he was stuck trying to get back to her. 

 

And take note, their memories did not change.  Based on the dialogue (unless the subtitles are wrong again), it seems that they remember both the initial timeline and the new timeline.    The old events did not change.

 

And I'm not even talking about the other people around them... so now what... they have also two memories?

 Because He has to be synchronized with new LG. Or you think the last one just disappeared?) 

 This is what I called a change of memories - when new ones from a new time loop are added to their old ones. Yes, the old ones didn't change.  Everyone involved remembers (JY. SJ.TE.) - what we were shown. Others - I guess, the same. The girl investigator  remembered that there was no recording of a telephone conversation before) But the main characters know what all the changes and new memories are connected with, for others this may seem like a mystery. The question is how significant they are for the rest)

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18 hours ago, AgentQuake said:
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Hmmm...if Yeong dies while going back in time, then technically there still IS a Yeong in 2020, it just isn't the one that we've been seeing all along.  Because if they succeed, once 4 year old Yeong grows up and hits that day in 2020, he would have no need to go back in time and will continue living out his life. 

 

So here's what we still have to see in 16, based on promos and spoilers.

  Reveal hidden contents
  • Re-do of gun battle
  • JY getting hurt or dying
  • Lee Ji Hun back to life, JTE passing him in the streets and crying
  • A scene that was shot with Nari/Sin Jae/JTE at The Alley, one of the 3 final scenes shot.  WDH is also there with ES and JY styling.
  • 1939 scene with JTE/LG
  • Scene on the beach with LG in his trench coat from their Instagrams
  • POSSIBLE jacket of doom redo?  Will explain below.
  • 1 of 3 final scenes shot in LG's bedroom/chambers with Lady Noh, JTE, LG
  • May 27, 2022 scene in front of the bookstore with yo yo kid
  • Ugly wedding chairs scene

 

Here are my two prevalent theories right now -

 

Jacket of Doom - I think the flowers tell it all.  The future changed.  Until the moment the flowers vanished, at some point in the future, LG was going to put on the jacket of doom, come to TE, and lay out all his regrets and say goodbye to her one last time.  The flowers were proof that it happened.  If LG in the future never comes to her, she may still have the memory, but the physical proof if it didn't happen.  I think that's what got JTE off her richard simmons so fast - she probably realized that if he sacrifices himself right now, there's no LG to come back in time to her. 

 

Granted, the flowers disappearing could also indicate a HAPPY ending.  LG never regrets not telling her he loves her, or that he hasn't given her flowers, because they're living happily after ever and he tells her he loves her and gives her flowers every day.  But at this point for them, that sort of optimism isn't there and nobody can see it.  So she's chasing her own optimism and going to help him.  Or get stuck with him.  The scene where she swaps herself with Luna pretty much proves that she's saying yes to his proposal.  Even if it's a proposal to die together instead of marriage. Just like LG tried to plan for his successor, she planned for hers.

 

Luna - that brings me to my second theory.  I think they're going to Parent Trap the next part of their lives.  She's trusting Luna enough to 1. go fetch LL without betraying them, and 2. telling her to protect her dad and her friends.  JTE is a bigger person than I am, I would've stabbed Luna in the throat.  But despite all that happens, JTE is offering her a happy ending, and she is actually genuine.  JTE's offer is essentially the same as LL's offer.  Steal the enemy, get a loving life.  But JTE is genuine, and I think that means a lot to Luna.

 

So JTE goes to KOC and becomes Queen, Luna lives as JTE and gets to live a loving life.  Maybe they swap back and forth.  They could be the balance that the Yo Yo kid is talking about.  That's why he's helped them both and why JTE is casually walking back and forth on her birthday in 2022.  It's possible that JTE and Luna switched briefly so she can celebrate her birthday with her dad.

 

Am now picturing Luna locked up in the study while LG and JY glare daggers at her while waiting for the Queen to come back.  Queen comes back in a fireman's carry by Jangmi 2.0 because she's slow AF.

 

I have just registered on this website to say that I love this theory and I hope the happy ending comes true.

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Playing...TKEM You spin my Head Right Round Right Round when yOu go down when you go down down or Round Round whatever.

 

Spoiler...again WHAT???

 

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The King: Eternal Monarch

 

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19 minutes ago, madmad min said:

 

Its the Same way How did JY/SJ/JTE remember what Their PAST versions did. 

 

In terms of IT, OS version is same a patch is applied which leads an OS with better Functionality lol.

 

Lets just say OUR LG and OUR JTE got seperated, OUR LG placed memories onto PAST JTE and hence JTE became upgraded patched with New memories.

 

Essentially the same thing happened with LG.

 

Upgraded LG had new memories patched onto by PAST JTE who then already had OUR LG's memory of him.visiting her in 2016 and 94, PAST JTE became more responsive had earlier and sweeter actions.

 

Now both OUR LG and OUR JTE even if they are in the OWN TIMELINE have upgraded memories because one and the other patched/instilled those actions differently what now is their past.

 

Essentially there are still 1 flute half of each with other, 1 LG; 1 JTE.BOTG JTE/LG merged somehow with their own self.

 

LG1/LG2=LGUpgraded.

Lg was not reinstalled he was just Upgraded.

 

This is Single timeline Altercation like someone said above.

 

 

I appreciate the explanation, but with all due respect, it still does not make sense.

 

Essentially, the short version of what you're saying is.... because it just happened.  But that's not enough of an explanation for me.

 

Here are the events shown to us:

 

1.     LG left JTE, JY,  SJ etc. in April 2020.  At the point when he left, all of them had the memories of what we have been watching so far (Episodes 1-13)

2.     LG went back to 1994.  He can't go back to 2020 right away.  So he does things between 1994-2020, and these things altered certain events.  

3.    September 2019, JTE and LG meet in Gwanghwamun and JTE now hugs LG

4.    Then LG the time traveller finally makes it to back to 2020 

 

So following your explanation, let us assume that when LG the time traveller, when he found out that he couldn't go back to 1994, didn't change anything.   He didn't meet with JTE in 1994 or 2016.   This means the meeting in Gwanghwamun would play out the same way right?

 

If you agree that it will play out the same way, then this is the reason why I do not think all these "new memories" are necessary. There is no point.  If LG hadn't changed anything, it still would have played out exactly the same way, and our lead couple would still have the original memories from Episodes 1-13.   Plus, there's no issue of other characters around them having new memories as well.

Sure we got those two cute scenes of LG with 5-year old JTE, and LG with 2016 JTE.  But was it worth it? Was it necessary?

That is my main beef.

 

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@blobbityblobbityblob you and me both.. you and me both..:cold_sweat:

 

I'm watching it right now and I'm still crying..

 

Kudos to both...

 

Edit:

Watching the ending again.. 

 

The Four Tiger Sword is on the ground and bloodied.

The ceiling glass is still broken.

JY and LG waltz in with style and just open fire.

 

So.... what changes?

Except that they have no mask on?

 

Is little LG killed in his room or little LG is not here yet?

 

 

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1 hour ago, Wanderer062287 said:

When he went back to the present, he is already the LG 2.0 who is returning into a world that is lived out by the BB LG he saved when he went back. He is one and the same person, but with a new set of memories because of the alterations he did while going back to the present. 

 

In reference to my thoughts above, I think when LG1 went back to the present (the one we got at the start of episode 15), he has essentially merged to become one and the same person with the BB LG he saved (I think LG2 in your definition). LG2's time travel arc became one and the same with LG1. As you said, LG2 would not be able to travel back without LL2 traveling back too (which we're assuming he won't do anymore because of what happened in the past), so he never really left. BUT when LG1 has finally caught up to the present, he became an LG that both time-traveled and did not time-travel. Essentially, he ceased to be LG1, and became LG 2.0 with two sets of memories from then on. 

 

I guess my thoughts above can apply to this too. He has memories from his original timeline, but once he returned and become the very same BB LG he saved when he went back to the past, he acquired a new set of memories - the ones that BB LG lived.

 

 

Yeah, what you're saying makes sense.
In fact, if you think harder, it's the only way to avoid the plot-hole I was talking about before.
But it's all very unclear, I'm even doubting whether KES has conceptualized this as much as we have.

And in the end we're the ones who fix the holes, lol!
That's quite unacceptable when it comes to restitution for the viewer.
We needed a scene to show the end of Lee Gon's journey.

 

For example:
- LG1 is in the in-between world.
- LG2 is about to travel in time. Actually, he can't because Lee Lim doesn't want to travel on his side.
- However LG2 hears the sound of the flute and goes to the portal.
- In fact, he does not know it, but this sound of flute is there to alert him that he must enter the portal to merge with LG1.
- A shot with LG1 in the in-between world walking towards an exit or a rift.
- A shot with LG2 walking towards the portal.
- A very stylish shot, with LG1 exiting the portal, and LG2 entering the portal at the same time.
- A shot with the in-between world, deserted, no LG2.
- A shot with LG1 coming out of the portal, having some kind of weird crisis, and some flashback of LG2's memories.

 

Doing this is the basics. It's far more valuable than showing useless characters from start to finish, or quickly give incomplete information in an LG-TE dialogue.This drama is completely stupid to never want to explain the indispensable things and preserve mysteries that are no longer there, and permanently plummet the viewer's immersion.
You read this forum on soompi. Here you have the smartest and most advanced people in the understanding of drama, and everyone here is wondering about this mess. Is it normal that the experts themselves are in the cabbage patch? And the audience who just have their TVs and are alone in front of it, what happens to them?

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17 minutes ago, gwin said:

So following your explanation, let us assume that when LG the time traveller, when he found out that he couldn't go back to 1994, didn't change anything.   He didn't meet with JTE in 1994 or 2016.   This means the meeting in Gwanghwamun would play out the same way right?

 

If you agree that it will play out the same way, then this is the reason why I do not think all these "new memories" are necessary. There is no point.  If LG hadn't changed anything, it still would have played out exactly the same way, and our lead couple would still have the original memories from Episodes 1-13.   Plus, there's no issue of other characters around them having new memories as well.

 

May I just give my thoughts here even if I'm not the one being asked hehe

 

The meeting in Gwanghwamun certainly did not play out the same way. I think I have mentioned this in a post N number of pages back, but it seems that the main reason why LG planted these memories on JTE along the way is because he wants them to be able to spend more time together, because their time is extremely limited. As we know, planting those memories saved them 3 episodes' worth of fighting and bickering; instead, they were able to, as JTE mentioned in episode 15, do all the things they did earlier than they did in episodes 1-13. She believed in him earlier, they went to his world earlier, and essentially they got to spend more time together. If he did not plant those memories and just waited out in the in-between, he would still be able to come back to the present - a present where everything had played out exactly as they did in episodes 1-13. But planting those memories allowed them more time, a luxury that their relationship didn't have from the beginning.

 

I also think planting these memories was also a way for LG to communicate to the present TE, that he is on his way and she must wait for him.

 

But those are the only reasons. I don't think LG, in any way, intended to change the 'big' events of the story (e.g. LL killing spree, doppelganger issue, etc), because by episode 15 we know that they still happened. So yes, I believe he did it so that things between him and TE can run a little bit more pleasantly.

 

Re: your question of whether it is worth it or necessary, I would say yes. It shows us how extremely limited their time is and how urgent everything is for them, that LG has to do something as big as planting memories in the past just to buy a little more time for their relationship. It gives their relationship a loooot more depth after this.

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20 hours ago, nikir said:

So if Lee Rim's death in 1994 by his past self does not affect his future self.. then even if JY dies in past.. his future shouldn't be affected right RIGHT ??

 

Yup. This is something I don't quite understand either.

 

If LR 1.0 2020 went back to 1994 and was killed, and if the time loop continues to play again and again, then the second time round, LR  2.0 2020 would still go back to to 1994 and get killed. So why do we suddenly have LR in 2020 with memories of how he killed himself sitting with Nari getting his future read?

 

He should not exist in 2020, after going back in time. So it means it was LR 2.0. If it was LR 2.0, how did LR 2.0 get to Time Loop 1 so quickly, while LG got stuck for four months moving laterally? If LR 2.0 in 2020 can actually LEARN from his past mistake, then did he decide in the second time loop NOT to go back to 1994 again?

 

Someone said that LR was not very smart. Maybe that's the reason. Cos if LR was smart, then what he should do is go back in time the second time round, and instead of trying to convince himself again, he should just go and kill his nephew. End of Story. ;0D 

 

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1 hour ago, Poppy517 said:

The King: Eternal Monarch

 

Netflix World Top 10

 

TODAY #6

MONTH #9

YEAR #16

 

NUMBER 1 in the following:

Hong Kong

Malaysia

Nigeria

Phillipines

Singapore

South Korea

Taiwan

Thailand

 

So Happy for everyone involved in TKEM! Such a beautiful drama. I'm sad that it's coming to a close :bawling:

 

 

Woot. Woot. How come those in SK keep singing about SBS rating since they nailed it via Netflix?

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12 minutes ago, Phoenix Klaw said:

 

Yup. This is something I don't quite understand either.

 

If LR 1.0 2020 went back to 1994 and was killed, and if the time loop continues to play again and again, then the second time round, LR  2.0 2020 would still go back to to 1994 and get killed. So why do we suddenly have LR in 2020 with memories of how he killed himself sitting with Nari getting his future read?

 

He should not exist in 2020, after going back in time. So it means it was LR 2.0. If it was LR 2.0, how did LR 2.0 get to Time Loop 1 so quickly, while LG got stuck for four months moving laterally? If LR 2.0 in 2020 can actually LEARN from his past mistake, then did he decide in the second time loop NOT to go back to 1994 again?

 

Re: this, this was my answer:

 

1 hour ago, Wanderer062287 said:

Even if 2020 LL was killed, 1994 LL was still alive, hence he would still 'grow old', make it to 2020, which is now the episode 15 LL. 

 

In the context of this drama I don't think we're following the usual time loop wherein everything just happens over and over again (like HP and the Prisoner of Azkaban). Yes LG is following a loop, where he is destined to go back again and again to the night of the treason, but he somehow has free will on the events that he would choose to do when going back. Once he gets the right set of choices, then that's the only time he can escape the loop. 

 

Same with LR. Someone here way way back proposed that this may be the first time LL went back to the past (that's why he has no memories of him meeting and killing himself that night). By going back, as the yoyo kid mentioned, he just created the monster that he is today - because 1994 LL of course lived and caught up to 2020, which we now see in episode 15. But now that he knows that he killed his future self that night, he would choose not to go back to his 1994 self because he would just be killed. Hence, he decided to take a different course of action this time (the set of events that unfolded in ep 15). But of course he still ended up losing hehe

 

 

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1 hour ago, gwin said:

 

But how did LG remember what happened in the alternate timeline?  How?  During that time (from 1994-2020) he was stuck trying to get back to her. 

 

And I'm not even talking about the other people around them... so now what... they have also two memories?

 

For the first time, I feel relieved instead of left out that I have never watched other time travelling shows before (BTTF, HP, Time Traveller's Wife, Avengers and others that have been mentioned in this thread. I just don't watch movies). I think I was less confused about the time travelling in TKEM because I didn't have any past knowledge from other movies to build upon. I am also very good at taking things at face value. Haha.

 

From what I see, JTE 2020 never lived through any of the new timeline either. But because she is one and the same JTE, she simply gains new memories of the past that was changed. For LG, while he was in that in-between place travelling to get to April 2020, I would assume he either gained those memories while in there or after he got out. While it was mentioned that there is no air or light in that in-between place, there was nothing mentioned to make it impossible for the new memories to reach LG while he is inside.

 

I am actually happy they retained the 1st timeline memories together with the new ones. It means we still get the LG and JTE we have been watching since ep 1, only upgraded because they fell in love much faster the 2nd time round.

 

1 hour ago, Phoenix Klaw said:

 

We didn't meet many powerful people who had been replaced by a peasant counterpart. If he wanted to replace powerful people in order to stage a coup, it should be ministers and generals, but we have not been shown any of them.

 

If seizing the eternal life flute was a means to get the monarchy, exactly HOW would eternal life give him the kingdom? 

 

And this picture of wonderful eternity and infinity hasn't fleshed out for us either, except as that place with no air and no wind. Not exactly a place you want to spend the rest of your life.

 

LR's goal was never to be king, so his goal wasn't to stage a coup. In 1994, he killed the king only because he wanted to steal the flute. His plan was to escape to the new world or eternal life after getting it. After 1994, his sole purpose was to get his hands on the other half of the flute. He replaced people who could work for or be of use to him, to help him eventually retrieve the flute. When he found out the flute was with LG, he started recruiting people in more powerful positions in KOC who are closer to LG. His highest chance was with the PM, who was aiming to be queen.

 

Eternity and infinity is a little easier to understand with my (rather absymal) understanding of religion. Several religions promises an afterlife, perhaps in heaven (like Christianity), or in nirvana (like in Buddhism). I think that was what LR was after, the ability to achieve eternal afterlife. In my terrible understanding of Buddhism, upon attaining enlightenment and reaching nirvana after death, the being is liberated from suffering the cycle of life and death (reincarnation). There is no longer any physical manifestation of Self, just the existence of emptyness. This is why there is nothing in that eternal and infinite place, it is meant to be empty of wants and therefore suffering. LR found a shortcut to that state through the flute, but ironically incurs terrible karma and great suffering in his quest to attain it.

 

I should mention I am glad TKEM's vision of eternal afterlife and infinity was CGI-ed to be this beautiful. My negative mind before TKEM envisioned it to be like a black vacuum of infinity, and it honestly scared me instead.

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3 minutes ago, violet.ears said:

LR's goal was never to be king, so his goal wasn't to stage a coup. In 1994, he killed the king only because he wanted to steal the flute. His plan was to escape to the new world or eternal life after getting it. After 1994, his sole purpose was to get his hands on the other half of the flute. He replaced people who could work for or be of use to him, to help him eventually retrieve the flute. When he found out the flute was with LG, he started recruiting people in more powerful positions in KOC who are closer to LG. His highest chance was with the PM, who was aiming to be queen.

 

Agree. Just to give a little blast from the past, here is his convo with Papa King in episode 1:

 

Papa King: Put that sword down. This is treason.

Lee Lim: To you, it might be nothing but treason, but I picked up this sword to gain something even greater.

PK: What is it that you're so willing to kill for? Do you not fear the punishment of the skies?

LL: The punishment of the skies? I plan to become the very being who gives punishment from the skies. God never created humans; it was the weak who created God.

 

So I guess his motivation is clear - he wants the Manpasikjeok and the power it holds. I don't even think he has any interest in the throne. Why would you want to be the King of a country when you can be God instead?

 

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1 hour ago, Wanderer062287 said:

 

May I just give my thoughts here even if I'm not the one being asked hehe

 

The meeting in Gwanghwamun certainly did not play out the same way. I think I have mentioned this in a post N number of pages back, but it seems that the main reason why LG planted these memories on JTE along the way is because he wants them to be able to spend more time together, because their time is extremely limited. As we know, planting those memories saved them 3 episodes' worth of fighting and bickering; instead, they were able to, as JTE mentioned in episode 15, do all the things they did earlier than they did in episodes 1-13. She believed in him earlier, they went to his world earlier, and essentially they got to spend more time together. If he did not plant those memories and just waited out in the in-between, he would still be able to come back to the present - a present where everything had played out exactly as they did in episodes 1-13. But planting those memories allowed them more time, a luxury that their relationship didn't have from the beginning.

 

 

 If LG did not visit JTE at when she was 5 years old or 27 years old, then it means their meeting at Gwanghwamun Square would play out exactly the same as what we saw in the first episode.

 

So now it's a question of:  It is really worth it for storytelling purposes to have him alter that timeline?  To me, it isn't. Especially if the only effect is that they spent more time together (and all the other major events still happened).   But because he did that, we are now left with a sort-of-absurd situation where everyone around them has two sets of memories (it can't be just LG and JTE affected by this).

 

42 minutes ago, violet.ears said:

 

From what I see, JTE 2020 never lived through any of the new timeline either. But because she is one and the same JTE, she simply gains new memories of the past that was changed. For LG, while he was in that in-between place travelling to get to April 2020, I would assume he either gained those memories while in there or after he got out. While it was mentioned that there is no air or light in that in-between place, there was nothing mentioned to make it impossible for the new memories to reach LG while he is inside.

 

 

She did.   That scene in 1994 happened to her.  That scene in 2016 happened to her.  That new meeting 2019 also happened to her.

 

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19 hours ago, gwin said:

 

 If LG did not visit JTE at when she was 5 years old or 27 years old, then it means their meeting at Gwanghwamun Square would play out exactly the same as what we saw in the first episode.

 

So now it's a question of:  It is really worth it for storytelling purposes to have him alter that timeline?  To me, it isn't. Especially if the only effect is that they spent more time together (and all the other major events still happened).   But because he did that, we are now left with a sort-of-absurd situation where everyone around them has two sets of memories (it can't be just LG and JTE affected by this).

 

To me, it was also as a means to communicate with JTE in 2020. He suddenly disappeared after being poisoned, without saying goodbye to her. She has no idea what happened to him, or where he went, especially when he didn't bring JY with him. Both JY and ES are in ROK, he wouldn't have gone back to KOC by himself. Him visiting her when she was 5, was to tell her where he was and to reassure her that he is on his way. Visiting her when she was 27, apart from being a status update, I think he also wanted to change 2016 JTE memories so that they would have more time together in 2019 and less regrets afterwards. 

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