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4 minutes ago, kboramint said:

 

That footage might become Luna but she's no longer a criminal in the new timeline.

 

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Way to burst my bubble! :joy:

 

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Blowing another one!! Lol

 

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5 minutes ago, Phoenix Klaw said:

One more episode to go, and here are two questions still unanswered:

 

1. What exactly is LR's evil goal? To be king of KOC? That would be the most basic understanding, but what was his plan? I initially thought he was building an parallel army to be in imported to KOC for a rebellion but it doesn't seem like it. So was it for the flute? But then for what? When he knelt before LG, he said now you can get "eternity and infinity". But what exactly is that? To live in the in between world forever? Why is that attractive? Or is it both? To be the Eternal Monarch? And so what was the plot to present LG's mother still alive at the Memorial Service and declare that a parallel world exists? What is that meant to achieve? 

 

2. Now that we understand SJ's role, the role that still puzzles me is KSR. What was the purpose of the role? Was she just a pawn for LR, to get the king or the kingdom? I thought from the end of the last episode that with LR eliminated in a timeloop, she would turn out to the bigger antagonist. But Ep 15 still presents her as a pawn and a victim. So was she nothing more than a pretty second lead that poses a potential threat of stealing LG. But she was never a real threat.  

 

Honestly, IMO, the villian's motivation and plan was poorly written. None of it made any sense. Also, what was the point of PM Koo killing off her doppleganger? They never really explained anything.   

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7 minutes ago, kboramint said:

 

Honestly, IMO, the villian's motivation and plan was poorly written. None of it made any sense. Also, what was the point of PM Koo killing off her doppleganger? They never really explained anything.   

 

I'm wondering about this too, it's not like she needs to take her place in ROK. 

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24 minutes ago, Phoenix Klaw said:

One more episode to go, and here are two questions still unanswered:

 

1. What exactly is LR's evil goal? To be king of KOC? That would be the most basic understanding, but what was his plan? I initially thought he was building an parallel army to be in imported to KOC for a rebellion but it doesn't seem like it. So was it for the flute? But then for what? When he knelt before LG, he said now you can get "eternity and infinity". But what exactly is that? To live in the in between world forever? Why is that attractive? Or is it both? To be the Eternal Monarch? And so what was the plot to present LG's mother still alive at the Memorial Service and declare that a parallel world exists? What is that meant to achieve? 

 

2. Now that we understand SJ's role, the role that still puzzles me is KSR. What was the purpose of the role? Was she just a pawn for LR, to get the king or the kingdom? I thought from the end of the last episode that with LR eliminated in a timeloop, she would turn out to the bigger antagonist. But Ep 15 still presents her as a pawn and a victim. So was she nothing more than a pretty second lead that poses a potential threat of stealing LG. But she was never a real threat.  

 

He wants to first get eternal life and he can get it with the whole flute without being in the between. I guess after eternal life he would seek power and he seems to be patient and not in hurry with gaining throne immediately first thing is first for him which is eternity. His ambition is pretty simple laid out and if you watch the show you will understand it immediately. He used 25 years swapping people in order to gain power in both worlds replacing powerful ppl with their peasants counterparts in order to have powerful elite people in high places. 

 

How do you think they managed to kill that woman in Jail and the camera's went off just like that he has alot of power both in ROK and KOC thru swapping people. 

 

Example that pregnant woman she was influential and powerful figure in KOC so he replaced her with her peasant counterpart in order to gain a high positive in the KOC government

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8 hours ago, AgentQuake said:

This is the episode I've been waiting for in regards to SJ.  I don't even like him all that much - so I'm not sure why I'm so invested. 

 

I don't mind that he confessed his feelings to JTE.  He spent years hiding his feelings, and has no oppositions to JTE/LG together at this point.  He respects that he lost. But LG has already made it clear that he's going to die to save the world.  SJ and JY both offered to go to the grave with him.  And now JTE is declaring that she will do it.  SJ will let LG die to fix the world, and he'll let himself die, but he won't let JTE die.  But he still chooses to do the right thing - he honors and respects her decisions.

 

Sorry to cut your post short but THIS is exactly how I feel.

I don't hate or like SJ but I'm intrigued with his backstory and honestly, I do feel sad for him when he finally realised he was from KOC and when he asked JTE if she will welcome him.

And I'm also always on the edge and worried that SJ will break JTE's heart and betray her after seeing him shift the real LSJ out if the care centre and we were not shown if JTE is aware.

 

And when he confessed his love for JTE, that broke me.

Yes bro.. you're too late but man... why is it so painful?

With every JTE's desperate pleas and he trying to hold on to JTE and that tears?

Those emotions are on point!

THAT BROKE ME COMPLETELY!

And yet he still honors and respects her decision.

So you see.. he is the black horse here and I'm always constantly rooting for him despite my fear for his betrayal.

And ladies and gentlemen, that brings me to LOSING  AND STUCK WITH LR's photo for now. :lol:

 

edit: sorry for double posting this. This is actually the updated feeling. LOL

 

8 hours ago, kboramint said:

Wait are we going to get an ending where we see the alternative timeline where LG and JY goes back to save  young LG but also kills LL which saves LG's doppleganger from dying as a child, and he grows up to be an adult. Young LG grows up not knowing who JTE is because he never got the nametag, and therefore never went to ROK to meet JTE in Episode 1. Time jump to  2022, JTE has no memory of LG but suddenly meets LG's doppleganger and feels some kind of connection. Ending the series.     

 

No! I refused to accept such ending.

Someone need to give KES more books on happy ending for her research purposes.

 

edit: sorry for double posting this. This is actually the updated feeling. LOL

 

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8 hours ago, Yippeun_eonnie said:

That's why LR told TE that he already prepared hell for LG and PM Koo. He already did the switch for PM Koo's mom and also kill Se Jin so no one is available for the throne except LR if LG died. 

 

But why would the throne go to LR?

He's supposed to be "dead" in KOC.

I thought he would bring back evil nasty cousin to be the puppet King since he is the so called "last" royal.

 

7 hours ago, Kim Rama said:

At this point, I don't want to think of alot of theories. I just want our OTP to have their happily ever after. 제발요 :(

 

They deserve this very very much. Our OTP sacrificed their love for the world to be rid of Lee Rim. They need to be rewarded for that. 

 

Although, with Lee Sejin dying, I feel like Lee Gon will be king and JTE will be his queen.

 

Yes. Thank you.

I want LG and JTE to be King and Queen and they can both travel in between place and be eternal together!

 

 

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4 minutes ago, SCSfanz said:

 

I'm wondering about this too, it's not like she needs to take her place in ROK. 

 @kboramint I think it’s because she figured out right away that he could swap her with a doppelgänger if she mucks it up.  So she went and killed her other self first - so that LL would be forced to use her instead of replacing her.

 

But whereas LG and JTE focus on their loved ones and protected them, PM failed to realize that her MOTHER could be swapped too, until right before it was too late.  

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15 minutes ago, kboramint said:

 

Honestly, IMO, the villian's motivation and plan was poorly written. None of it made any sense. Also, what was the point of PM Koo killing off her doppleganger? They never really explained anything.   

 

I think we can agree from the events of the past few episodes that Lee Rim is not a smart villain.   He's driven by anger and greed, and when those two things combine, nothing good can happen.

 

That being said, his plan was consistent from the start:   get the entire Manpasikjeok.    He didn't succeed in his first attempt because of young Lee Gon.   But he did discover half the flute would give him some sort of power (i.e. crossing to the parallel world) so with that limited power he started to form a plan on how to get the other half.

 

The plan actually made sense, except that Lee Gon also discovered the powers of his half of the flute.  And that's where Lee Rim's plan started falling apart.  Lee Rim was not prepared enough when some parts of plan went wrong (either because of his own lack of foresight, or Lee Gon anticipating his move).

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On 6/7/2020 at 6:02 AM, mrsj3n said:

* It was so unfair for LJH's mum to blame it on LG. But I'm glad she is clear minded that LG cannot replace her LJH and she did not even dream of replacing LG's mum.

 

* Where do I begin?

LG is going back to 1994 again.

He wants to kill LR before the flute is half?

So why did SJ say he will die?

Does he mean the present LG will be gone and the 1994 LG will grow up with no memories of saviour or will no longer be obsessed with finding JTE because there is no JTE ID and no more clues to lead him to JTE?

Or he mean LG will still die when LR die?

If it's the latter, that's a lousy noble idiocy and I will spit on it!

... 

Now you understand why I was so drained and down after watching episode 15?

So much sadness. So much questions.

 

I hope I won't be disappointed in episode 16.

 

Now back to backtrack and I hope I will see some light to all my gloom as I hurry back to present. 

 

 

Sorry for cutting your post, I think I might be at a similar place as you emotionally after this episode. 

 

Yeah I was not a fan of LJH's mum basically victim blaming LG. I feel so incredibly bad for her still though, but was kinda hoping that the fact that she's been a hostage of LL's for so long would entail that she had an accurate understanding of who the monster is and where blame solely lies. I'm hoping though that her words telling LG not to die for her is an indication of the fact that she does deep down not truly blame him, since those words do express a kind of caring. The acting of that scene was sublime though. The kind of almost horror mixed with grief from LG seeing what has happened to her and LJH's mum's deep sorrow was quite heart wrenching. 

 

Also I guess that her telling LG that LJH died because of him is not necessarily her blaming him. But LG, someone who seems to suffer from survivor's guilt in this episode (also hinted at in ep 1), has seemingly now decided that letting himself die is the way to solve all of this. God I hate this plot line, it makes my stomach turn.  I really hope that this is a plot other characters are meant to save/stop LG from.

 

I could understand a 'I-have-to-rewrite-the-past' scenario where there is the possibility of losing your memories but LG letting himself die as a kid at the hands of LL makes me feel a bit ill. 

 

I cannot fathom JY being okay with LG dying like that, and definitely not young LG. I love JY and wish him the best, but I could cope with him sacrificing himself as suggested by @AgentQuake. Since it would be a quite heroic and fitting end of his character arc. JY starts the series deciding at age 4 that he will ensure LG happiness and thus goes on to ensure that this happens. It would also finally allow him in succeeding to protect LG.  @AgentQuake - really liked your theories about it!

 

I wonder if LG holding his throat in the preview is him feeling himself dying in the past OR - and I would much prefer this to be the case: if it is him feeling his scar disappear. If JY kills LR before he gets to the flute and young LG this would make sense.

 

Also just the time travel mechanics of LG letting himself die and killing LL would be an absolute nightmare. SJ kinda said it:

 

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SJ: "So you won't save yourself this time? Then you'll disappear"

 

LG would disappear, this is not the issue technically, but he cannot kill LR if he lets himself die in the past. I am very flexible when it comes to different time travel rules but this would create a paradox. Because: The time travel of TK:EM so far has shown that you can rewrite the past, which should entail that present LG would disappear if he lets himself die as a kid. The choice can therefore not simply be LG's life v. the two worlds since LG cannot kill LR if his (LG's) past self dies. Of course the writer could just say "the flute's magic allows it" but if that's the case I have to say it feels like she's forcing it.

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13 minutes ago, SCSfanz said:

 

I'm wondering about this too, it's not like she needs to take her place in ROK. 

My guess is PM killed doppelganger so that the latter can't take her place in KoC.

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1 min silence for the ppl who dropped the drama midway. 

What a wild ride. Just wow. For the first few ep i actually care about SJ. Then i become uninterested about him till ep 14.But on ep 15 he really make me hurt. Poor SJ. Through him we can see that how swapping affects the people.

LG & JTE-  I am not a huge fan of LMH or KFE. But this pair really make me cry.

I watched CLOY becoz my frnds said its good drama.For  me its a another typical kdrama. The only thing that hook me there is their chemistry not the story. I even fast forward the second couple scenes (its just my opinion). But this is  another level. This drama make u confuse. For some ppl it make them to drop TKEM. But for others its a encouragement to watch the next ep and that  make this drama so good. When a drama make u confuse,i dont think its a bad drama or u have ni right to bash the drama(the all nolan films are bad:P

And time traveling rules- Time traveling are most difficult to pull out. I have even problem with avengers endgame time traveling. So i just slide it off.

*#iamaloser.But i change my dp to leelim. He is the most hot villain i have seen in kdrama :wub:

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LL reminded me of a crazy cult member in some batshirt religion in real life.  Notice how as soon as LG put the flute together and the real gateway opened up?  LL went full on worshipful and forgot everything he was doing.  He went from being indignant and angry that he was shot and detained to begging on his knees for LG to bring him into the portal so he can see it’s magic for himself. 
 

Kinda wish we had time to explore both his backstory more, and also the in between world. 
 

But his hubris is his big issue.  When LG gets angry, he starts calculating and pulls out wins.  When LL is calm, he is brilliantly terrifying and cruel.  He has a plan for everything, and always comes out ahead.  The second he starts losing himself to his emotions, he spirals out of control.  He overplayed his hand with JTE’s abduction when Luna robbed him.  He was upset at PM playing him, and then LJH’s mother playing him, and he went charging at LG with a rifle, and got himself captured.  The guy has NO poker face.  He’s his one and only worst enemy.

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4 tiger sword = 2 sides to a sword = JY/ES = 2 versions of JY in KOC and 2 versions of ES in ROK = 4 total versions circulating in a loop. Also, LG is the year of the tiger (tiger swords can only be made every 12 years which is in 1987 aka LG's b day!), so basically the Gods created JY and ES just for LG!!!! Hopefully this will mean JY will survive this next go around of a loop!! For those hating on JY, he's not actually useless lol

 

MY PUPPIES MUST SURVIVE!!! :love:

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20 minutes ago, Dramanoona said:

I think LR just wanted absolute power over the two worlds.

It was not just the throne. That would be a bonus if all the heirs died.

He wants godlike status....his beheading by himself really serves him right

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I felt like a plot-hole in the process used in the drama.
But in the end, if you think about it a little bit, I think it makes sense.
I'm explaining the situation.

 

1994, LG2 child.
2020, LG1 adult.

 

New explanation.
- LG1 is in 2020 and travels back in time and saves LG2 in 1994.
- Then LG1 goes back to 2020 using the in-between world where 4 months inside is equal to 26 years outside. When he sometimes goes out of the in-between world, he generates minor changes in the time frame, and meets Tae Eul before the first encounter he had in the drama.
- During this time LG2 lives normally, except his relationship with Tae Eul which will be slightly different.
- LG1 arrives in 2020 finally.
- We don't see what happens to adult LG2 in 2020 during this time, but it's obvious.
- LG2 does the same thing as LG1: go back in time in 1994.
- LG2 had a slightly different life than LG1, because of the minor changes that LG1 caused.
- When LG2 travels back in time, it is assumed that he will accomplish the same thing as LG1.
- Instead of an infinite loop LG1 and LG2 become the same character. Since there are minor changes between the two characters, LG1 then acquires all the memories of LG2 in addition to its own.
- LG2 somehow ceases to exist. He becomes LG1 as soon as he arrives in 1994.

 

Old explanation.
- My problem here was that LG2 won't accomplish quite the same things as LG1, it's almost impossible, there will always be minor variations.
- Moreover LG2 will reproduce the time loop to infinity with LG3, LG4, etc..
- All are supposed to reproduce the case so that the loop remains closed.
- However, because of the minor variations, LG1 is supposed to have the memory modified to include all the changes. An infinite number of changes.
- Which means his brain is just going to explode.

 

I had initially taken the process linearly.
But with my new explanation, I feel like things are consistent.
Is that consistent with the rest of the drama?
What do you think?

 

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1 hour ago, SweetButters said:

4 tiger sword = 2 sides to a sword = JY/ES = 2 versions of JY in KOC and 2 versions of ES in ROK = 4 total versions circulating in a loop. Hopefully this will mean JY will survive this next go around of a loop!! For those hating on JY, he's not actually useless lol

 

MY PUPPIES MUST SURVIVE!!! :love:

He's only afraid of Eun Bi....even LG does not scare him

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8 hours ago, Alice Wonderland said:

I also wonder how KES will end all of this. But I'm sure it will be happy ending. 

 

I wish Luna can get a donor and live a new life. She met LJH and live replacing JTE in ROK. JTE choose to live in KOC with her king husband, LG. JY marries MSA. JTE deliver the firstborn crown prince. Once in a while, like they're having a vacation overseas. They all go for short holiday to ROK visit ES and NR there. They held a housewarming party and Luna will come with dad, making real TE a bit emotional but managed to handle her feelings for the sake of everyone. The crown prince got a new friends and they're playing around while the parents are having some small talks. Ahhhh.... it's an ending I want. This way it compensates all the tears and worries we have for months. They deserve happy ending. It's like a saying I keep hearing in dramas "you're granted with a blessed and prosperity life after you save a country in the previous life" it's what LG did. He sacrifices his own happiness for saving the world. 

 

All the baddies got beheaded or prisoned for life. That's all I want! Is it too much??

Thank you.

I wish KES engaged you as her consultant.

I wish KES checked with us here and heck.. even draw up a poll to ask us what we want to see for the ending.

I wish I wish wish.

But what I really wish is FOR ONCE, GIVE ME A GOOD ENDING PLEASE!

 

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2 hours ago, Phoenix Klaw said:

 

I am guessing that the second round, its going to be LG, JY, JTE and SJ together. Because SJ loves JTE, and I just don't see him letting her escort LR alone through the portal alone.

 

So.... SJ is the one who will secretly shoot the ceiling to set off the alarm so that little LG can be saved!!!!

 

2 hours ago, ms_inquiry said:

 

But LG, someone who seems to suffer from survivor's guilt in this episode (also hinted at in ep 1), has seemingly now decided that letting himself die is the way to solve all of this.

I could understand a 'I-have-to-rewrite-the-past' scenario where there is the possibility of losing your memories but LG letting himself die as a kid at the hands of LL makes me feel a bit ill. 

 

I cannot fathom JY being okay with LG dying like that, and definitely not young LG. 

 

I wonder if LG holding his neck in the preview is him feeling himself dying in the past OR - and I would much prefer this to be the case: if it is him feeling his scar disappear. If JY kills LR before he gets to the flute and young LG this would make sense.

 

 

 

Sorry that I butchered part of your wonderful insights.

Wanted to get to the point here:

1) It wasn't made clear that by "saving himself" meant that little LG will has to die first.

After some thinking, I'm actually inclined to think that LG wanted to save the part of himself that has the memories of JTE. The ID card and hence going into ROK. Hence the selfish part.

So when SJ meant he will "vanish", I believe the current LG who we are looking at.

Because no matter what, LR would still have the half flute by the time he waltz in to save the day as little LG would have confronted LR as we have seen in episode 1.

Unless he is coming in way before little LG stumbled into the room or he let LR kill little LG first before he makes his way to kill LR who has the whole flute.

Gah..  again. I call BS on such noble idiocy.

 

2) I don't think JY will let LG die and I doubt LG tells JY his plans at all.

He might only know that LG will still want to try to go back 1994 again to kill LR and follows him to the battlefield and when it's time for LG to sacrifice for the greater good, I'm sure this is the time JY will fulfill his destiny and throw himself to LG's way to block off any danger or killing blow. 

 

3) Thank you. Again another point to reinforce my hope and optimism that all will be well.

If young LG is saved, LG will not get the scar at all. 

So conclusion: I think that what LG meant that he was selfish previously because he wanted to retain his memories of JTE and not because of being alive.

 

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1 hour ago, KRISHNENDU M said:

1 min silence for the ppl who dropped the drama midway. 

 

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Not gonna waste even 1 second on people who dropped the drama or still bashing the drama.

 

1 hour ago, wenchanteur said:


What do you think?

 

 

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And now.. 

 

I'm back to the present!! :grimace:

 

Since I'm back now.. 

I would like to officially make an appeal to @vangsweetie637

 

Can we change our DP pretty please?

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Or maybe set up a poll and see how many kind souls agree for us losers to change our DP? :joy:

 

It's the last episode next week and we have cried our heart out this week...

 

Man.. it's a rough ride! Haha

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Netflix tricked me! I did everything in my power NOT to watch the last four episodes until this weekend so I could finish the whole series only to get to episode 15 and find out I have another week to find out how the world is saved! :dissapointed_relieved:

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