[Drama 2020] The King: Eternal Monarch, 더 킹: 영원의 군주

[Heretorant]

14 minutes ago, CallieP said:

15 hours ago, gwin said:

 

I was really screaming at JTE in my head during that scene haha.  I also wondered why she didn't just tell him!

 

But then I remembered that LG hasn't told her about time stopping either, right?  So far, only LR and JY know about the time stops.   

So I think they are keeping these things from one another because both facts imply something sad which they don't want to let each other know of.  LG doesn't want JTE to know about the time stops because she will also realize that the world crossing has to stop at some point.   JTE probably doesn't want LG to know about the encounter with future JG because then LG would realize that in this present timeline at least, they don't get their happy ending.   

 

 

LG did tell JTE about time stopping.  She is aware of it. I remember him telling her sometime, not sure exactly when though.

LG told JTE the first time time stopped. He told her time stopped for a moment and thanks to that, he saw something beautiful. She didn’t believe him of course. 
 

 

18 minutes ago, CallieP said:

1 hour ago, Joanna Alfson said:

 

His fans are demanding when it comes to the type of movies or dramas he choses example i remember Kim soo hyun once did a drama called producers. His fans would have never allowed him taking such roles 

 

 

I don't understand. LMH's fans would never allow him to accept a role like "Producers"? Why?

 

Do they have a say in his selection? If so, I have recommendations in the roles I would like him to consider.

I, for one, don’t particularly mind any type of roles that he takes.
 

For his next film, if I may suggest, I would love for him to take on a dark genre film or an inspirational film. 

 

[Joanna Alfson]

10 minutes ago, Heretorant said:

LG told JTE the first time time stopped. He told her time stopped for a moment and thanks to that, he saw something beautiful. She didn’t believe him of course. 
 

 

I, for one, don’t particularly mind any type of roles that he takes.
 

For his next film, if I may suggest, I would love for him to take on a dark genre film or an inspirational film. 

 

 

Inspirational in which way? Like him playing a handicap or something 

I am on the camp of these who only want spectacles 

[Alice Wonderland]

50 minutes ago, CallieP said:

LG did tell JTE about time stopping.  She is aware of it. I remember him telling her sometime, not sure exactly when though.

I know. It was from ep 4. It was when the first, the time paused in the park. And he told her but she didn't believe him. No, that's not what I mean. What I mean there is, they never really tell about the time travelling clearly. It's still on our speculation instead. The drama hasn't really revealed anything to this. And in that scene, she knows that he came with flowers already but he seemed acting like it hasn't happened yet. Then we assumed that the one who gave her the flower is future LG because that is explained why he acted that way. But this is what confused me, seemed off for me. Why she won't tell him about that? But well I get the point of it now. They appears to be more than what they shows, waiting for the revelation of it later.

 

1 hour ago, koreaboooo said:

I also liked seeing more of Luna. I like her character. I think she's quite similar to SJ just a bit more on the dark side while SJ is a bit more on the light.

As we've discussed, I still have my last hope that she'll be good character in the end. She would ditch LR soon once she knows the whole story behind all of this strange things happened. Now she must be like testing the waters and I hope her last decision would the right one. 

 

1 hour ago, Heretorant said:

. I do wish there will be an amazing drama script within the next year and he’ll be offered and accept. I can’t bear to wait another 3 years to see him on small screen again

We're on the same page on this! I love him and want to see him more both on the big or small screen. Small screen projects are more preferable. Because we can see him more than just 2 hours.

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But again, as how much I love him, I really expect that he really gets a drama/movie project with better script or something that very compelling. Because among his dramas and movies, my faves would be BOF and this, TKEM.  The other shows that I don't need to mention seemed pretty flat and just like that for me. 

I hope he could have 100 episodes for his next project. Lol. And the storyline should be interesting tho. Is it possible?? Hmmm... wistful thinking, huh. 

 

50 minutes ago, koreaboooo said:

Yea I was glad when they showed PM as a woman who could stand her ground against those men in her cabinet. I liked that beginning part when she told someone she will dress as she pleases and not be forced to wear suit pants just because men work for the government and she have to dress like them. She had so much potential. I'm sure even LG had agreed she was a great PM but she got too greedy. Also siding with LR just had to be the last straw. 

But her flaw is she is too ambitious and uses all ways to get what she wants. I admit her capability of doing her work in the government matters. Those cabinet members who keep trying to dismiss her are this typical politician who wants all the benefit only to their sides. And I like her only for that part.

[1ouise]

11 minutes ago, Elnin Joery said:

Secret campus is not a cameo it is his first drama. I meant secret campus not garden haha. I like mostly Makerel run just watched little less then an episode I like where it's going the comedy and characters are funny. The same with Get up. I am sam is also hilarious but his not the lead there. his scenes are funny tho. 

You can see his potential just bursting out of the screen and charisma. His cheeky and rascal characters are gold

 

 

For those not following this thread back in April, you might not realize that Lee Gon's father in TKEM was in Mackerel Run with LMH in 2007.

 

 

On 4/14/2020 at 1:00 AM, 1ouise said:

This is fun!    Remember Baek Heon from Mackerel Run?  

 

 

 

@Elnin Joery  Let me just restate what you said: You can see his potential just bursting out of the screen and charisma. His cheeky and rascal characters are gold   

 

 

 

[csmiller1954]

10 hours ago, mychoiyoung said:

 

Looks like it. No post.  What, the rigamarole we undergo for this fantasy drama is not enough, we still have to contend with conspiracies against LMH's resources?  I really smell something fishy here...

 

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Guys I told you, if there is one time that we need to say AJA!  this is it!

 

 

 @gwin @Heretorant

I did ask previously if anyone thought they were married at that lovely Church since he asked the priest to keep a secret for him.  But when I saw that old trope about seeing exposed shoulder, etc... I had to rethink.  But then again, probably LG planned to be still be considerate that night.  However, when TE dared him with that ongoing beheading joke by exposing her lovely neck - after seeing her shoulders - come on, The King can only be considerate for so long. It was an easy sexy slippery road from then on. Tee-hee

 

So yeah, I still got married & will do a formal regal wedding later

he was being considerate, TE just went through hell and he was being a gentleman, not rushing her.  Just seeing her shoulder was more than he could take.  

[rocher22]

The Kings thoughts...''He  will be beheaded...but he is the queen's  childhood friend...Im powerless there...'' 

 

 

[kaqueski]

PLOT TWIST 

There's another parallel world.. and in this world, the king and PM are together.. doing cf for coffee xD (this is already 9-10 yrs ago... hahaha)

 

 

[Heretorant]

29 minutes ago, AgentQuake said:

Above all, I wish we had more episodes   Even Lobster got dragged out to 20 episodes, which I think would be perfect for this show.  Maybe, I dunno.  The creative team so far has alleviated a lot of my previous issues so maybe 16 really is the perfect amount.

@Keikokoko I totally get your issue with episode 12.  I actually really enjoyed it, although my favorite episode is 10 still.  We don't have enough time to balance out the characters with the plot.  But I also don't know what they could've done.  A lot of people have complained that they have no idea why JTE and LG even like each other - so an episode like this NEEDED to happen.  I don't see anyone complaining about them anymore, rather, the top posts on Tumblr for the kdrama tag are the rescue scene, neck kiss, and even previous JTE/LG moments. 

 

But with such a heavy plot and only 5 more episodes to do it, did we really need to spend 75% of an episode establishing their relationship like this?  My answer is YES!  Because it makes the future story more tragic since we can tell this will be the turning point to The King ultimately time traveling, and their time together now will make any separations even worse.  But we only have 4 episodes to do so.  So do we establish the relationship and rush the plot, or do we toss the relationship and move the plot, but nobody will care about the plot because the relationship isn't great?  It's chicken and the egg, in a way.

 

We've got about 288 minutes left in this.  I'm hoping that Madame writer crammed enough PPL and slow mo scenes into the last 12 episodes so we can go full speed ahead.

 

 

 

Wow.

 

EVERYTHING. YOU. SAID. 
 

The love story is needed, this episode was needed! Whatever they were trying to do, they succeeded with me. Because episodes 9-12 made me emotionally invested in the OTP. It’s quite important to establish the connection between viewers and the OTP because the driving force that may have started all of the time traveling is the OTP searching for a way to be with each other. If JTE dies and LG is forced to go back to change things in hopes of saving her, we wouldn't care so much if we didn’t see their love. Yes, I care about the plot because the relationship is great! And because plot is great, I love the relationship even more. So yes, it’s kind of like the chicken and the egg, we kind of need both. In my opinion, TKEM has the perfect balance 

 

*Side note* For a moment there, your display photo disappeared and I was genuinely sad missing it  I think you take the cake for the best display!  

[AgentQuake]

 

@CallieP Your reasoning is exactly why I wish they had filmed all 16 episodes with 0 fandom input, and then released it all in one dump on Netflix without having to deal with media/fan reaction.  Too many shows that I've loved have been negatively influenced by fans or reviews and then changed. 

 

Romeo and Juliet is the most popular love story of all time, and they basically were just horny for each other, had one conversation, and then dropped dead.  Movies have characters falling in love in like, 10 minutes, and they HAVE to, because they have a max of what, 2 hours for a rom com?  With LG and JTE, we got to see their relationship grow, and the only thing about it is that it was subtle.  It was also realistic.  I'm honestly not so sure what people were demanding to see that we didn't get.  If episode 11/12 happened early on, then it would have been very undeserved, and I wouldn't been annoyed by it.  The bickering moments from 1-8 now hold even more weight, because you can miss the lighthearted times when he would chase after her in SK while she shouted at him over little things. 

 

This was my train of thought while watching 12 -

• He finds her literally in the throes of war, and it directly juxtaposes the last time she came to KOC.  While she was a total fish out of water last time, with a part wondering wtf she was even doing there, this time she run towards him and Palace like it's her home, and her only safe place.
• The bedside scene is also super intense, and when he says a lot has happened since they last met, it's true for their relationship as well.  Separating months at a time without knowing when you'll see each other next with no contact, and imminent danger everywhere will change you.
• The kitchen scene - brings us back to when they were just happy (okay, he was happy) to have each others company, going on date nights and winning teddy bears.  It's a glimpse of what life would look like if they got happily married with no threats.
• Church scene - aaaand the threat is back.  And we're back to the intensity and heartbreak.  

One of my favorite things to do after a show goes on for seasons and seasons, is to go back and watch the pilot and the first season.  It really enriches your future viewings to see where the characters started, and where they've ended up. You can see the character growth.  I'll use the booze for an example.

 

When they go on their first dinner um...LG thought it was a date, JTE thought it was a drinking session, she was more interested in making mekju than talking to him, and needed to drink before carrying on their conversation.  By the time she made it to his palace in the first visit, he learns more that she needs booze, and snuck cans of beer for her without her asking, showing that he's getting to know her pretty well.  And then we get a reversal of the mekju scene, with him making her the drink.  All of that ties back to episode 12, where he now knows her (and her drinking habits) so well that immediately he knew from one sentence what she was trying to do, and she squirms to get out of his disapproval.  While booze went from a coping mechanism because she didn't want to deal with him, it's now become something that shows their domesticity.  Alcohol and drinking has become a symbol of their comfort levels around each other.

 

IDK, I like focusing on little things like that, and seeing the subtlety in the relationships.  But that might just be a result of being on forums for too long and thinking that every little thing has a meaning to it.

 

OH THE WIND BLEW??? SHE MUST BE DYING IN THE NEXT FEW EPISODES.  OH, THAT SENTENCE HE JUST SAID MUST MEAN THAT THIS IS ABOUT TO HAP-oh it was just a translation error never mind never mind.

 

[rocher22]

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He looks so gorgeous...

 

 

 

 

[Elnin Joery]

8 minutes ago, 1ouise said:

 

 

For those not following this thread back in April, you might not realize that Lee Gon's father in TKEM was in Mackerel Run with LMH in 2007.

 

 

They are romantic rivals right? How didn't i notice this is beyond me OMG. Mindblowing! 

 

 

[AgentQuake]

@Heretorant oh my god I was trying to change it to a profile icon of the neck kiss and then I couldn't load it because the damn file was too big.  And then I couldn't find the current one.  And then I FOUND it, and my wifi disappeared.  DAMN NEAR DIED.

 

@1ouise @Elnin Joery He's also the second male lead in Let's Eat 2!  If you guys haven't seen it, he plays a very serious junior politician who the lead girl falls in lust with and tries to change herself to fit his type.  She didn't know that underneath his super serious demeanor, he basically just ran around cussing and wrestling other men trying to strangle them. 

 

I can't really take scenes with LG's dad seriously hahaha.

[YongZura⁷]

2 hours ago, wenchanteur said:

One thing I like about this drama: I can't predict the end!

 

I apologize to everyone: I rarely read your comments because there is a lot of speculation, possible leads, and unintentional spoilers. And I don't want to be predicted what's going to happen next. I prefer to look at the images and videos posted here.

 

I believe it is fine...we understand .. you're not alone ..... All the years in and out of the drama thread this is the first time for me ... that I can't catch up.  We got to do it for our own "mental health" .  I focus mainly on the storyline ... and skip the others.  

 

Glad to see many are enjoying their stay here  and can be the sources of many "unanswerable" questions.  It has also become a "must visit"  thread to see if there's any new clue to help in understanding the story more and if there's spoiler .. I appreciate it if you could put it in the "spoiler" box so that one is given the choice of knowing it now or knowing it later. ... including the response to the spoilers.

 

 

Many sharing the same concern... trust the King to find the solution.

 

Credit to the owner

[CallieP]

35 minutes ago, Heretorant said:

LG told JTE the first time time stopped. He told her time stopped for a moment and thanks to that, he saw something beautiful. She didn’t believe him of course. 
 

 

I, for one, don’t particularly mind any type of roles that he takes.
 

For his next film, if I may suggest, I would love for him to take on a dark genre film or an inspirational film. 

 

I think he did tell her that the time stopping are lengthening and there would be a time that the two universes would come to a total stop. I vaguely remember him telling her after he discovered that. After his calculations so that must be recent. Or I am hallucinating.

[Elnin Joery]

10 minutes ago, AgentQuake said:

@Heretorant oh my god I was trying to change it to a profile icon of the neck kiss and then I couldn't load it because the damn file was too big.  And then I couldn't find the current one.  And then I FOUND it, and my wifi disappeared.  DAMN NEAR DIED.

 

@1ouise @Elnin Joery He's also the second male lead in Let's Eat 2!  If you guys haven't seen it, he plays a very serious junior politician who the lead girl falls in lust with and tries to change herself to fit his type.  She didn't know that underneath his super serious demeanor, he basically just ran around cussing and wrestling other men trying to strangle them. 

 

I can't really take scenes with LG's dad seriously hahaha.

 

Was it good? Let's eat 2? I may have to give it a shoot. Just saw on his wiki that he was involved in a movie I watched last month the admiral. Where he plays Yi-sun's son. I didn't notice that it was him but the character was memorable only when @1ouise said he was in this show I searched him up and realized he was in a movie I watched just a month ago. How could i miss such details face palm.

[rocher22]

Nari is a lucky girl...

 

[AgentQuake]

5 minutes ago, Elnin Joery said:

 

Was it good? Let's eat 2? I may have to give it a shoot. Just saw on his wiki that he was involved in a movie I watched last month the admiral. Where he plays Yi-sun's son. I didn't notice that it was him but the character was memorable only when @1ouise said he was in this show I searched him up and realized he was in a movie I watched just a month ago. How could i miss such details face palm.

 

It's okay.  LE1 was fine, mostly for food porn because the story kind of sucked.  LE2 had a good story, but the story has 0 stakes in it. It's just a feel good, cutesy type of TV show with loooots of good food.  Papa King played the second male lead and I swear he was like, 18 years old.  He looked SO young, and I didn't even recognize him in TKEM until they had the sword flashback lol.  Honestly I thought maybe LG was like, a teen pregnancy or something.  Turns out the actor is 37 HAHA.

 

Don't watch LE3 if you like the main couple from LE2.  They couldn't get the actress back, and then they cut the season short because Doojoon had to enlist. 

[Joanna Alfson]

@Heretorant

 

I could have prolonged my message regarding the script choice as i was to lazy but i will tell you why and the reason behind it. He lives under detailed scrutiny so it will get alot buzz where fans and detractors will tune in just like Gangnam it had alot buzz and people tuned in to be entertained but if you provide these ppl with something like the tale of a struggling handicap or something like that they will instantly tune out and riot fans, neutral or like. 

 

They will tune in expecting to be entertained and leave somewhat satisfied but if you provide them with boring and low pace tale it will become like watching 2 hours of dry painting. This will cause him a somewhat big backlash from fans. So it has to be detailed choice and spectacle for the spectators as they will be there with their scrutinizing glasses on both fans or alike

 

[Heretorant]

3 minutes ago, Joanna Alfson said:

@Heretorant

 

I could have prolonged my message regarding the script choice as i was to lazy but i will tell you why and the reason behind it. He lives under detailed scrutiny so it will get alot buzz where fans and detractors will tune in just like Gangnam it had alot buzz people tuned in to be entertained and with significiant traffic if you provide these ppl with something like the tale of a struggling handicap or something like that they will instantly tune out and riot fans, neutral or like. 

 

They will tune in expecting to be entertained and leave somewhat satisfied but if you provide them with boring and low pace tale it will become like watching 2 hours of dry painting. This will cause him a somewhat big backlash from fans. So it has to be detailed choice and spectacle for the spectators as they will be there with their scrutinizing glasses on both fans or alike

 

Hahahaha, ma friend, I was thinking more along the lines of inspirational movies like “Ode to my father” or “the taxi driver” and if we’re talking about dramas then “mr. sunshine.” I didn’t have in mind a tale of a struggling handicap or anything like that. Though, I must say I wouldn’t mind it either. Lol. 

[Elnin Joery]

21 minutes ago, AgentQuake said:

 

It's okay.  LE1 was fine, mostly for food porn because the story kind of sucked.  LE2 had a good story, but the story has 0 stakes in it. It's just a feel good, cutesy type of TV show with loooots of good food.  Papa King played the second male lead and I swear he was like, 18 years old.  He looked SO young, and I didn't even recognize him in TKEM until they had the sword flashback lol.  Honestly I thought maybe LG was like, a teen pregnancy or something.  Turns out the actor is 37 HAHA.

 

Don't watch LE3 if you like the main couple from LE2.  They couldn't get the actress back, and then they cut the season short because Doojoon had to enlist. 

 

Thanks for the heads-up. I think I am gonna pass on that. He looks young seems like he aged well