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[Drama 2019] Melting Me Softly, 날 녹여주오

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Sorry folks! Just jumping in to say:

 

AGREE with stroppyse

 

While I kinda enjoyed the drama (and Ji Chang-wook and Won Jin-A eye candy along the ride was main feature for tuning in, as well as the beautiful OSTs) ... it was really a  'just park the brains' and don't think too much' kinda ride. It's not a meaningful kind of drama, it has abrupt plot insertions and absurd let down moments (like afterall the machinations  on his part - it was so easy to just nab the fake brother). Nor does it really tug at heartstrings nor make you ponder more. Or even warrant a re-watch (nor recommendation). It's like almost a few writers, writing bits and pieces and then putting it together like an incoherent jigsaw s'times. But a jigsaw makes sense, while this one doesn't really.

 

* Possible Spoilers*

 

 - plot is kind of incredulous, and all over the place throughout. it's like plot insertions added whenever necc - including eps 15 and 16

 - the experiment lab ... is just well stupid and ancient in set-up. they don't even have double screens with all that data =  just those 2 computers?

 - whatever happened to the killer after all the hoo-ha in ep 15 ... and why on earth would any killer need to diligently execute his mission when whoever is directing the order is now powerless behind bars (forever powerless too - his brother has been restored to rightful Chaebol CEO position)

 - and sorry - not being offensive, I wished it was better too bec I invested 16 episodes of time every wkend ... but what a lame ending.

 

Thankfully, it has beautiful OSTs.

 

 

 

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[Ratings] "Melting Me Softly" 17 November Episode 16 Finale:

Nielsen Korea: 2.282%* National (+ .85%); 2.407%* Seoul (N/A)
TNMS:  2.3%* (+.90)

 

*2nd place for all rating levels in its pay-cable category for 17 November!

 

Phew.  I was praying HARD for the show to finish above 2%.  SO HARD.  So MMS ends up with a 2.15% average for Nielsen Korea and 2.16% for TNMS.  *sigh*

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Well... it was a mediocre finale for me. I am sad that what started as a great fun drama ended without a punch. Ep.16 was very draggy for me. I was excited when the episode title said "Melting Me Softly". It's good to know that writer had the episodes planned out to have such final episode. However, I was disappointed that almost half of the episode is spent moping and waiting aimlessly (fillers and fillers). The scenes at the lab were poorly done. Too many researchers and seems like their main job is to move around the lab (to show being busy?). Please, we're not at a mall or a public park. Had to laugh that one female researcher's job was clearly just walking around the room.

 

My main reason of watching this drama is the OTP interaction, so 45 minutes without them being together felt too long for me, not to mention having to watch the last 15 minutes of them together dealing with "noble (idiocy)" idea of pursuing a dream by the female lead thus delaying marriage. The issue too was solved rather too lame, in my opinion. YouTube? lol... The diary writing was great, but the reading was again disappointing since nothing new was revealed, only a repeat of what we've seen. I was hoping to hear a new entry that was totally heartening and heartwarming. Something that will totally melt the heart of GMR to put being with (read: marrying) MDC a priority.

 

A part of me can't help to wonder if the finale would have been different (ie.more enjoyable/unexpected/surprising) had the initial slapstick tone of the drama was not totally changed because of the so many complains by viewers. Seems like the writer(s?) was just playing it safe towards the end... sigh...

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Thanks @stroppyse for the spoiler because I caught some bits of the raw version and am not sure if I wanna watch the subbed (update: watched and it's not as bad as ep 15). Thanks also to @cherkell for reporting the ratings so faithfully. Am very glad too that the final episode finished above 2%. That was definitely no easy feat!

 

I started out liking this drama...the 1st few episodes were quite fun to watch but when they changed tracked and melo-ed, it became really weird. The tone was so inconsistent that I ended up liking some episodes and hating others. Eg. I hate ep 12, love ep 13, hate ep 14, hate ep 15, don't mind ep 16 except for the lame ending. The OTP interactions were sweet one moment, then cringey the next.

 

I suspect the writing changed to suit the comments but it turned out really awful. It was really painful to watch when we hit Ep 15. Honestly, I think the cast did a good job to maintain rating above 1% all this while cos even though it was not great, anything above 1% is considered a pass for cable right (at least from what I've read)? 

Sigh.In watching the drama, I felt there were many potential to bring out meaningful issues but those were all glossed over or suddenly, the scene would change or the mood would turn comedic at the wrong time. And because of that, I kept watching every serious scene incredulously, wondering if they were just kidding around.

Well, hope JCW will take on a better project next. I think nobody was expecting this turnout given the track record of the writer and the director. Meanwhile, waiting for his China project (My Male God) to be aired next year. I think that one may be cute. I have a penchant for C-dramas these days. I think with most rom-coms, they do get certain things right so even if the plot is cheesy, you can't help but watch.

 

Btw, for those who have not watched Whirlwind Girl 2, even though it wasn't great, honestly, it wasn't half as bad as this (at least the tone was consistent). It was watchable till maybe the last episode or 2. So if you can bear MMS and miss JCW, you can give that one a try. :P

 

 

11 hours ago, jus-ash said:

 

 - whatever happened to the killer after all the hoo-ha in ep 15 ... and why on earth would any killer need to diligently execute his mission when whoever is directing the order is now powerless behind bars (forever powerless too - his brother has been restored to rightful Chaebol CEO position)

 


I didn't keep up with what happened to the killer. But he was on mission to kill both MDC and KMR cos he can only get his money if he kills them. Think that was in Ep 15?

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13 hours ago, stroppyse said:

Ep 16  3 Year Time Jump. A mini recap of the final episode in the spoiler.

 

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MR has been frozen for 3 years while the doctors try to find a cure for MR's condition that doesn't take 5 days and side effects to restore her body temperature so that she can safely get the surgery to fix the trauma from the knife wound.

 

MR's friend had married HG (DC's junior director), but is now dissatisfied with her marriage. BS has lost his position at the university because they found out that he had been coming onto a female student; however, the student that they name is MR. BS apparently tells them that she's his first love, not his student, and calls his ex-wife to give witness to the university. His wife just tells him that if she talks to them, she'll tell them how BS stalked his student, even moving into the student's family's home. LOL.

 

DC has moved into MR's house to be with her family until she wakes up. It's both so that DC can get comfort from MR's family, but also so that he can comfort them as well. Even though MR's mother tells him that he should go home, DC tells her that his mother has two other children and their families, but that he wants to be with MR's family. DC tells his own family that he will move back in after he's married, and that's why he's bought their family the bigger house to move into.

 

As DC waits, he keeps finding evidence of MR's love for him.

 

HY had gone to the US to work, and only come back after 3 years. She had taken a 2 year contract, but had extended it for another year. Her younger sibling lived in her Seoul apartment while she was away. It turns out that the Associate Doctor who works with Prof. Hwang had moved into the same apartment complex as HY, so they have a moment to themselves. HY tells him that she's prayed for MR to wake up every day.

 

Prof Hwang figures out a possible cure to the body temperature problem, but is worried that there might be complications when she wakes up. DC says that MR is someone who would have wanted to wake up and deal with reality.  So, they take MR into the surgery to sew up the knife trauma. The surgery was a success, but MR has difficulty waking up from the anesthesia and remains in a coma. MR's core temperature starts going down at one point, putting her in crisis again.

 

MR's mother decides that DC has to go home because he's done as much as he could, and he should really go home and live his own life. DC walks in while she's packing his bag to say that he has to stay or else MR would be upset with him when she wakes up. He begs her to not keep trying to chase him away. (I understand that MR's mother is thinking of DC when she does what she does as well as about DC's mother who despite having other children must miss her son. However, I also think that DC is trying to hold onto his sanity while he is missing MR and waiting for her.

 

DC gets a vision that MR is speaking to him saying her core temperature was increasing, so DC goes to the hospital, calling Prof. Hwang on the way. At the hospital, MR's body temperature has returned to normal.

 

Later on, MR's mother and then DC gets a phone call that MR has woken up. DC had gone on a business meeting trip to Jeju Island, and tries to find a way to get back to Seoul in a rush. On the way, DC talks to MR's mother who tells him that MR has woken up and that she's even started trying to walk.

 

At the hospital, DC comes across MR sitting outside in the snow. They approach each other with tears in their eyes.

 

DC: Are you okay?
MR: Have you been well?

DC: Yes. It's been a bit difficult, but...

MR: You're as handsome as aways, Ma Dong Chan.

DC: So much...I've missed you so much.

MR: I'm cold. Please melt me.

 

DC enfolds MR in his arms.

 

Back to regular life, DC is his irascible PD self. He yells at MR for being lax at her job. She tries to say that she's been frozen and melted twice, so maybe that's why, but DC won't accept that as an excuse. LOL. Later on, in his office, DC is very sweet to MR, but they agree that work should be separate from their personal lives.

 

Later on, DC's family ask MR if she still doesn't want to marry. MR says that she doesn't want to get married. She's still too young, and she had been thinking of studying overseas even, then possibly going to graduate school. She thinks it will be at least 5 years before she's ready. DC blows up at this saying that he's been waiting for MR forever, and now she's talking about leaving him to go do things. He tells her that she's being selfish and only thinking of herself rather than him. He'll be 40 by the time she's ready to marry him. DJ helpfully reminds him that he'll be 60 rather than 40. LOL. DC's mother who is trying to be helpful mentions that DC could go with MR, but DC says that he has too many projects that he's started to drop everything and leave. DC's mother then tells MR that she could marry DC and have a baby who DJ will raise before MR goes on to pursue her own interests, which leaves everyone aghast. LOL  DC's mother wants DC and MR to get married before summer. DC himself also wants to really, really get married, though he says that this isn't something that should be discussed right then.

 

Later on DC drives MR home where she tries to tease him a bit, but he's more reflective. As he drops her off, DC hands his journals to MR, telling her that he had written them while waiting for her. He says that while waiting for MR, he's learned to believe in fate, so he'll just leave everything to fate. Inside, MR reads what DC had written.

 

MR meets HY in the hallway of the broadcast station where they greet each other formally. This scene is meant to show that there are no hard feelings between them any more, and that their relationship is now just the formal one.

 

Walking hand in hand, DC tells MR that she should do as she wants to, and that he'll support her dreams. MR says that she's read his journals, and now she doesn't want to be apart from him. DC says that he can't leave to go with her right now, that he has too many projects that he's started. While it may be the time for MR to pursue her dreams, he has to live in the reality that he's currently in. He says that he'll wait for her. MR says that she doesn't want to go any more, but DC says that he won't let MR give up her dreams for him. Just then, DC gets a text, and then he smiles saying that perhaps there is a way.

 

Turns out that the text was from his niece who asks why they're being so complicated. They should just travel together and do a youtube channel. That is what DC and MR decide to do, to launch a travel program which they broadcast via youtube. Their greeting to their followers on youtube to live well and warmly with the people they love and thanking them also serves as their goodbye to the drama. The final voiceover from the niece saying "And that's the way the frozen humsns Ma Dong Chan and Go Mi Ran lives happily ever after."

 

Hmm, I still have mixed feelings about this drama as to whether I would ever recommend it. I think perhaps only true fans of JCW would appreciate it. It had good elements, but it never really seemed to all jell together. I think all areas had problems in this drama, frankly. The writing never felt as it it hung together well, and the direction also seemed a bit here and there. Though, I think they must have been in live shooting for the final bits of it perhaps given how jumpy the scene cuts are. Even the acting felt bemused at points.

 

However, I still enjoyed DC as a character, handsome and flawed, and having to deal with a weird new reality not to mention changes of emotions. MR felt less fleshed out somehow, and I'm not sure if it's because I never connected with her and the issues around her disrupted life as much as I connected with DC somehow. Then again, I'm still not sure that the drama overall did that good a job of figuring out the conflicting emotions for the OTP after the time jump, and it set up some interesting conundrums as a viewer.

 

Given that DC was still in love with HY when he woke up, the fact that he was able to let her go so quickly, even with his thinking she had betrayed him, and then switch his affection to MR that made me wonder if he had really loved HY in the first place. It's why I thought that without the big freeze, HY and DC would have either separated or gotten divorced at some point. The conundrum for me is that as a romantic comedy, this drama seem to take quite a while to actually get their OTP attracted to each other.

 

I don't know if the drama needed more time, or fewer characters to keep track of, or just the plotting really needed to have been better fleshed out earlier on. But, it's done now, and I still enjoyed watching it.

 

Thanks to everyone on this thread who popped in. Hope to see you all on other threads!

 

could not agree more with this. I have similar thoughts on this drama as a whole. The only think that keeps me watching it is Ji Chang Wook and Won Jin Ah performance and that's it. This definitely not a drama I want to recommend to new Kdrama fan or a newbie JCW fan. This drama definitely sits at the opposite end from Healer, Empress Ki and The K2. 

 

I think the writer waste too much screen time on the slapstick comedy (it takes half of the series) and the unsolid sci-fi theme. I can see the writer is ambitious but she lack of enthusiast and she did not do her homework. From her writing you can know she is not a scifi fanatic. Her science element in the drama is lazy. 

 

Don't get me started on the chopy editing and the unclear direction. TO me this drama quite wasting JCW and WJA and other casts talents. Considering the writer has ample of time to write the scenario, idk why the drama has too much on going filming. CW gets out of Army in April and he confirm not long after. The drama only premiered in Sept. So, the managemet of filming of this drama is not done properly imo. 

 

Hope these 2 gets a better drama next. 

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What I didn't get in part 16:

Crazy flashing watches that are then disconnected from each other's arms.

What was unnecessary:
family meeting 2
work meeting

Ko MI RAn's character thawed so slowly that he was "frozen to 33.3"

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I hope JCW and WJA can work on another project together again as the main leads and in a better romantic script.

 

Episode 16 was their last chance, but they blew it.. tbh it was expected, there's no way you can wrap up everything in 1 episode, especially when there's way too much to settle.

 

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Looks like many have come in to put their final weigh-in on the drama, and the sentiment is generally the same -- attempts to "save" the drama notwithstanding, everything just could have been better. As @jus-ashpointed out, so many things were just so "sudden".

 

Suddenly, Prof Hwang regained his memory.

Suddenly, Na Young felt guilty towards Mi Ran.

Suddenly, Dong Chan and Na Young resolved their feelings towards each other.

Suddenly, Young Seon found the courage to get a divorce from Byung Shim

Suddenly, the evil twin is no more.

Suddenly, Dong Chan and Mi Ran fell so madly in love with each other (I know not everyone agrees on this, but that's how I felt.)

And in the last episodes,

Suddenly, Nam Tae became an accomplished baker.

Suddenly, Na Young went to the US and came back to find Prof Jo her neighbour (with a hint of possible romance between the two.)

Suddenly, the killer is caught.

Suddenly, Ji Hoon had gone to the army, got out, and got a job at the station (?!?!)

Suddenly, the station President loses his job (or should I say, "finally"?)

Suddenly, Mi Ran's condition turns from plummeting temperatures to normal and... AWAKE!

Suddenly, Dong Chan is ok with not getting married to Mi Ran and to globe trot with her.

 

I found myself actually just falling asleep through most of the last episodes and forwarding through very slow and dry scenes. 

 

JCW, please return to the small screen soon with a better production. This was such a waste and can't be your come back drama. 

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1 hour ago, gilaswan said:

JCW, please return to the small screen soon with a better production. This was such a waste and can't be your come back drama. 


Off topic so in spoiler - this is from the Soompi article recently.  The comments are mixed. Some want him to choose his next project with more discernment fearing that jumping into another drama which is also delving into weird science isn’t wise.  Others just want to see him again in a better production ASAP.

Spoiler

 

On November 18, Sports Donga reported that Ji Chang Wook is in the final stages of reviewing his next project after tvN’s “Melting Me Softly.” The drama he was offered is director Kim Hong Seon’s “LUCA” (Last Universal Common Ancestor, tentative title). Kim Hong Seon has directed OCN’s “Voice,” “Black,” and “The Guest.” The director and Ji Chang Wook have previously worked together through SBS’s “Warrior Baek Dong Soo.”

Ji Chang Wook’s agency Glorious Entertainment stated to Star Today, “It is true that he was offered a role in ‘LUCA.’ He is reviewing the offer.”

According to Sports Donga, “LUCA” will be a 12-episode pre-produced drama and air on tvN around early or mid 2020.

A source from tvN shared, “‘LUCA’ is one of the projects we are thinking of scheduling in, and nothing has been decided. It is true that we offered Ji Chang Wook a role, but his appearance has not been confirmed yet.”

“LUCA” is based on Charles Darwin’s proposition that all species of life have descended over time from common ancestors. Genetics is a topic that has not been dealt with in Korean dramas. A broadcasting industry source shared, “Ji Chang Wook is working hard to show his various sides and make a transformation through acting. Through ‘LUCA,’ you will be able to see a side of Ji Chang Wook that you haven’t been able to see.”

Screenwriter Chun Sung Il of KBS2’s “Slave Hunters,” “The Package,” and more will be writing the script.

Meanwhile, Ji Chang Wook will holding his fan meeting “Waiting for You” in Japan, Taiwan, Singapore, Thailand, Indonesia, Philippines, and Korea starting next year on January 10.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, nrllee said:


Off topic so in spoiler - this is from the Soompi article recently.  The comments are mixed. Some want him to choose his next project with more discernment fearing that jumping into another drama which is also delving into weird science isn’t wise.  Others just want to see him again in a better production ASAP.

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On November 18, Sports Donga reported that Ji Chang Wook is in the final stages of reviewing his next project after tvN’s “Melting Me Softly.” The drama he was offered is director Kim Hong Seon’s “LUCA” (Last Universal Common Ancestor, tentative title). Kim Hong Seon has directed OCN’s “Voice,” “Black,” and “The Guest.” The director and Ji Chang Wook have previously worked together through SBS’s “Warrior Baek Dong Soo.”

Ji Chang Wook’s agency Glorious Entertainment stated to Star Today, “It is true that he was offered a role in ‘LUCA.’ He is reviewing the offer.”

According to Sports Donga, “LUCA” will be a 12-episode pre-produced drama and air on tvN around early or mid 2020.

A source from tvN shared, “‘LUCA’ is one of the projects we are thinking of scheduling in, and nothing has been decided. It is true that we offered Ji Chang Wook a role, but his appearance has not been confirmed yet.”

“LUCA” is based on Charles Darwin’s proposition that all species of life have descended over time from common ancestors. Genetics is a topic that has not been dealt with in Korean dramas. A broadcasting industry source shared, “Ji Chang Wook is working hard to show his various sides and make a transformation through acting. Through ‘LUCA,’ you will be able to see a side of Ji Chang Wook that you haven’t been able to see.”

Screenwriter Chun Sung Il of KBS2’s “Slave Hunters,” “The Package,” and more will be writing the script.

Meanwhile, Ji Chang Wook will holding his fan meeting “Waiting for You” in Japan, Taiwan, Singapore, Thailand, Indonesia, Philippines, and Korea starting next year on January 10.

 

 

I am one of those who doesn't want him to do this weird sci fi genre.I rather wait a little longer for him to choose a better drama from a top notch 'good quality' writer. I don't mind him to choose movies or musicals for a year or two before jump back into drama. I don't want him to rush. I know sometimes it can be overwhelming when you received another offer right after your drama ends. But, I want him to wait a little bit more. Wait for another offers. Wait for a good script. Wait for a good production. Quality is always better than quantity. 

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550/5000
 
 
 
I understand JCW chose this drama.
I like the story. It encourages the viewer to think.
It would have spent 20-24 episodes.
I love PD MA.
I love the 24 year old Go MI Ran.
The first 10-12 episodes are flawless.

Unfortunately for the plot threads, the character developments in the last 4 episodes are confusing to me.

I like everything in general,
  though not an Empress Ki or a Healer or a Fabricated city :D
But no worse than Suspicious Partner or K2

Let's be understanding, JCW also lives on money, can't wait for the perfect scenario all the time. FFF

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8 hours ago, liltash85 said:

I am one of those who doesn't want him to do this weird sci fi genre.I rather wait a little longer for him to choose a better drama from a top notch 'good quality' writer. I don't mind him to choose movies or musicals for a year or two before jump back into drama. I don't want him to rush. I know sometimes it can be overwhelming when you received another offer right after your drama ends. But, I want him to wait a little bit more. Wait for another offers. Wait for a good script. Wait for a good production. Quality is always better than quantity. 

 

Actually, the script being based upon Charles Darwin and his Theory of Biological Evolution/Theory of Universal Common Descent is not a "weird sci-fi genre."  It is accepted science, backed up with actual proven facts.

 

Due to work commitments, I have yet to finish Episodes 15 and 16 so I cannot opine on those and the series as a whole just yet.  Stay tuned!

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17 hours ago, perszepanni said:
550/5000
 
 
I like everything in general,
  though not an Empress Ki or a Healer or a Fabricated city :D
But no worse than Suspicious Partner or K2

Let's be understanding, JCW also lives on money, can't wait for the perfect scenario all the time. FFF


Sorry, don't agree that this drama is on the same level as SP or K2 (if that's what you mean). I think the ratings and public comments speak for themselves. K2 was entertaining at least while SP had a way better story line. The OTP had chemistry and the humor was enjoyable. Melting is in most parts, painful to watch for many people. 

 

But yes, agree that he needs to make a living. I remember in one of his interviews, he said there are a lot of factors that he has no control over when it comes to a project. For all we know, there were behind-the-scene problems with MMS.

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19 hours ago, perszepanni said:
550/5000
 
 
 
I understand JCW chose this drama.
I like the story. It encourages the viewer to think.
It would have spent 20-24 episodes.
I love PD MA.
I love the 24 year old Go MI Ran.
The first 10-12 episodes are flawless.

Unfortunately for the plot threads, the character developments in the last 4 episodes are confusing to me.

I like everything in general,
  though not an Empress Ki or a Healer or a Fabricated city :D
But no worse than Suspicious Partner or K2

Let's be understanding, JCW also lives on money, can't wait for the perfect scenario all the time. FFF

Not only the ratings but also the commitment of viewers both on dcinside and this soompi thread prove that you can't put MMS in the same group as the K2 nor SP. At least, I could finish both those dramas unlike MMS... And I watched all JCW's dramas including five fingers, donghae...my first one being healer.

 

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Fimes (SP and K2) are easy to understand even up to the age of 20

(MMS) is more understandable for 30-40 year olds.
One should not be underestimated, just another target audience.
MMS is more philosophical.

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37 minutes ago, perszepanni said:

Fimes (SP and K2) are easy to understand even up to the age of 20

(MMS) is more understandable for 30-40 year olds.
One should not be underestimated, just another target audience.
MMS is more philosophical

Why didn't this target audience tune in to watch, then? It's funny I didn't understand this when I am in the bracket...

Can you give us your philosophical understanding of this drama and its loopholes? 

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8 hours ago, daloula said:

Not only the ratings but also the commitment of viewers both on dcinside and this soompi thread prove that you can't put MMS in the same group as the K2 nor SP.

 

You claim the ratings, and the commitment of viewers (using two different groups as examples), PROVE that MMS can’t be positively compared to his other dramas, and is therefore, a bad drama. Ahhh...the appeal to authority argument!

 

Actually what you claim as a sort of democratic artistic “vote” as PROOF that MMS is a bad drama is proof of exactly nothing. What is demonstrated by your statement is that the ratings and comments of a negative kind express the feelings of a certain segment of viewers. Not one of those reviews has explained in any objective detail exactly why writing was bad, direction was bad, or the characterizations were bad. I keep asking but all I get is silence…..crickets.

 

All I ever read here and elsewhere was that people, who of course are experts at script-writing, directing, and acting, didn’t like the drama because of bad script writing, directing, acting. They never give details. I don’t know those people so I don’t care what they like or don’t like, but I do know they are not experts. Their statements are arbitrary assertions based on only their feelings, and as such have no real standing in any sincere discussion of value. In fact, one reviewer on a different site was highly P. O.ed that JCW, who was expressly put on this earth to fulfill her need for TV dramas, did not deliver the goods this time around, therefore she will never again waste her time with him./sarc

 

I loved the MMS drama, the characters, the acting, and the silly bits. And applying my own logic, this claim does not mean the drama was good; it only means that I like it. I could, however, give you chapter and verse of the goodness contained in the drama and why it was good for me. 

 

But, shall we compare the MMS fails to very obvious fails in a few of the other dramas? For example:

 

1. The K2 example. Spent what seemed like hours developing the back story for Anna and then seeing her run around the streets of a Spanish city barefoot and in a dirty nightgown. The Spanish have a developed first world country and I’m sure if some one like Anna appeared on their city streets the City Fathers probably would have sent the gendarmes or the men in white coats to rescue/subdue her. My intellect tells me this is a ridiculous scene, but my artistic sense acknowledges the dramatic concept and I am free to watch it or not...to fast forward to a scene with JCW in it. The scene could be meant to be taken symbolically as evidence of her desperation, not literally.

 

And how many times was he severely injured yet returned to good health seemingly within minutes? The operation scene in Cloud Nine and afterwards he wakes from the operation still on the operating table yet clothed in a pristine white dress shirt? And without even blood stains? Is this bad directing, writing, acting, both, all, none? Trivial problem.

 

2. Healer example. The gimmick of a night courier was a totally new concept to me but seemed to be a “real thing” so I accepted it on faith instead of trying to make it fit with my concept of what a seemingly decent guy might do to make a living...it worked with the rest of the plot. A NON-problem.

 

The final chapter of “catching some Russians doing something bad” was totally improbable and contrived, and set up the scary scene of JCW being shot, presumably dead, giving viewers and fans a heart attack, yet I could accept that dramatic finish also.

 

3. Suspicious Partner example. Thedeus ex machina” scene where bad guy gets creamed by a hit and run (deliberately we find later, by yet another new character with an axe to grind), winds up in the hospital and has memory loss. Still the story progresses and I can deal with the insanity. It provides some delightful and juicy incidents later where JCW gets to chew the scenery. And the memory loss illustrates some time-honored dramatic tropes existent in almost all Korean dramas, which I have come to love also. Like being read your favorite fairy tale over and over when you were a child.

 

My point being that each of these other dramas have sticking points that are equally weird as some in MMS; they are silly, inconsequential, non-important, superficial, and trivial occurrences in the scripts. They need to be weighed in context, not held up as examples of bad anything.

 

It seems that some of you negative re-viewers are bound and determined to make those of us who loved the drama be on the defensive, and to PROVE beyond a shadow of doubt that we are wrong, evil, and un-redeemable people for liking the drama. I cannot fathom rationally why you would do this.

 

Usually sane and normal people living healthy, rational lives don’t spend their time watching or doing something they don’t like. They don’t spend their time writing scathing reviews dripping with sarcasm, beating a dead horse. Normal, sane, and happy people leave the bad things behind and go and do good things without trying to set fire to the universe to prove that something as innocent as TV drama is causing the rapid decline of civilization as we know it. (Yes, I know...that describes me right now, except I am trying to put out the fire.)

 

The artistic value of anything these days is often put to the democratic vote by tabulating how much money it generates (box office receipts), or how many “likes” it gets, without ever trying to determine the author’s intent and how well it was achieved objectively. So the viewing public gets told how stupid or intelligent it is by “vote count” without ever trying to determine the actual value of the piece of art in question...a skill that must use objectivity as its measure, but a skill that seems to have finally disappeared from the face of the earth.

 

It is possible to dislike something considered a masterpiece by democratic vote or by objective dissection, and possible to like something considered a failure. But in order to express reasons, a person needs to be able to say something more intelligible than, well, 50 million of us can’t be wrong. Because, yes, yes you can.

 

3 hours ago, perszepanni said:

(SP and K2) are easy to understand even up to the age of 20

(MMS) is more understandable for 30-40 year olds.
One should not be underestimated, just another target audience.
MMS is more philosophical.

 

Agreed! 

 

2 hours ago, daloula said:

Why didn't this target audience tune in to watch, then? It's funny I didn't understand this when I am in the bracket...

Can you give us your philosophical understanding of this drama and its loopholes? 

 

Who knows why the target audience didn't tune in.....at least they are not continually bashing JCW and this drama....they just didn't want to watch it for whatever reason.  Why are you asking to prove a negative?   I don't care why they didn't watch.  They are those few types of people who just go do what they like and get on with their lives.  They are not my concern. See my comment above.  My argument is with those who say the drama is bad:  because...…..? 

See my other comment above.  I have taken my time preparing these comments and have prepared them at work and had to come back home to post here, so my offer to discuss the good parts was made with no particular person in mind, and in the interim another commenter has posted some statements that seem to go along with what I am saying.  It is just happenstance that you asked the other commenter and I seem to be trying to answer for that person, which I am not.  I just cued in on your challenge,  which I am prepared to answer.   I am not trying to intervene and hope to be able to finish this discussion with whomever.  

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6 hours ago, daloula said:

Akkor miért nem hangzott ez egy célközönség nézni? Vicces, így ezt nem értem, ha egy konzolban vagy ...

Tudna-e adni nekünk filozófiai megértési erről a drámáról és annak kiskapuiról? 

 
 
 
 
Spoiler

Az, hogy a bátorságról szól, nem kérdés.
De ez semmi.
- az egyéni felelősségvállalásról szól (döntéseink nemcsak ránk, a környezetünkre vonatkoznak)
(még a legjobb szándékú döntések is visszatérhetnek)
- nem mindenki tudja követni a gyorsan változó világ kihívásait, sok kudarcot vall
- az idő és a tér (mint összetartó és elválasztó elem a kapcsolatokban)
- a család egésze
- előrejelzési képesség
- a tudomány hatalma (gazdagítás vagy emberiség)
- a barátság
- ki a jó vezető
- Internet vagy televízió
- bók vagy szexuális zaklatás
- mikor kell harcolni vagy mikor kell továbbmenni
- az autizmusról
- a média hatalmáról
- gyerek (3 gyermekes anyának 1 unokája van)
- a társadalmi helyzetről (emelkedés-csúszás)
- társadalmi elvárások (karries, család)
- társadalmi magány
(és egy millió további .....)

 

 

Personally, I think JCW is more than a pretty face.
He makes his films for his audience, his fans.
I'm not focusing on mistakes (it's easy to find in everything)
I'd rather try to figure out why you chose this project.

He was a soldier for 1.5 years, this was his capsule

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TIME OUT!!! Take a deep breath. Just remember individual differences make our world smarter.  I watch Kdramas for entertainment and am not deeply invested in the internal structure of a drama but I also enjoy the feedback of the forum. Viewers deserve freedom to express their opinions (hopefully in a positive manner). The common factor of this forum is the love of JCW and his artistic works. I love rom-coms, action/adventure, historical and comedic dramas. However, my reactions are always completely different when I watch EPISODES vs. the ENTIRE drama. This was very true of MMS. Perhaps the storyline and production was not as well done as Empress Ki or Healer, but it was still enjoyable. JCW's character was not as dominant as EK or Healer but I assumed the "strong woman" theme was evident because of the writer. As a JCW fan, I will support his career decisions on all future projects. Sometimes, drama projects are not accurately described ie Healer. The synopsis was misleading; the drama was GREAT! Got to remember JCW, the artist, has career goals that we are not privy to. If the genre does not appeal to you, one has the freedom to watch or pass. There are some JCW dramas that I only watched once and others that I lost count to. Can't wait for his Mr. Right  to be released. Would love to see JCW participate in another musical in the future (I do not know why I say this when I cannot get to Korea to see him). Thank you to all the participants in the forum...I learned much from your feedback! MAHALO!

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@Mai Stars, while I watched this show simply to see the story it had to tell, your points above highlighted one of the reasons why I don’t like to be influenced by ratings. Ultimately the majority of them are subjective. Clearly for every drama show there will be people who liked it and people who don’t. There are popular well liked drama shows that I’ve watched with high review ratings that I felt was a waste of my time. I just feel that people should just like what they like regardless of the opinions of others. ^_^ 

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