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[Drama 2019] Graceful Family, 우아한 가

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First of all Misty had a great ending :p

 

I like the murder in the orient express option. Sign me up. Although it would be pretty dark. Maybe it is not everybody planning it but some kind of tragic incident and everybody is somehow involved.

 

What was Ms Han hinting at in the conversation with the drinking son? The reason why he never could become the ceo. Could have something to do with the murder. Because i dont think she knows that he is the real father of the child?

 

I hope we are going to see a few more scenes that display Ms Han's psychotic behavior and personality. Her facade already started to crumble a little bit in the last episode. 

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A friend is teaching me cinematography so I'm seeing the show now with new eyes. Lol. So here are my additional observation:

* Apart from the wine spill, the room is impeccable so there couldn't have been a fight. It's likely to be premeditated murder or an accident or suicide (should we put suicide as an option? Afterall, she wasn't mentally okay at that time)

* I do not know if they placed enough detail on the shadow but, the shadows on the cctv footage cast almost the same angle so unless it is unintended, the time they visited SH's mom isn't that far apart

 

I guess they did not put that much detail in the shadows. YD's receipt says it was 3:45pm when they parted but you can see in young YD and SH's shadow that it's around noontime.

 

Also, when YD's mom entered the house and found SH's mom on the flloor, it couldn't have been 6pm yet (when the incident happened according to the case file) based on the light and shadow angle. 

 

I don't know how criminal law in Korea works but can SH request a retrial in the absence of YD as the victim' daughter? How about as the convict's son's daughter-in-law? Absurd twist (esp that YD's is not legally his mom's son) but who cares? I just want them to get married and have SH be spoiled by YD's mom and see the couple raise little YDs and SHs. Sorry, my mind has a fastforward button. Lol :joy:

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OOooohhh, this betting game should be fun! LOL

 

Of course everyone has a motive to kill Seok Hee's mom. There are reasons I find hard to explain as to why I am suspecting Wan Soo. I just think sometimes, those who seem to have no intent to kill often come out as the murderer. LOL but other than that, he really seems iffy to me. When Ms. Han said there was a reason he couldn't be CEO, could it be because of his past? Does he have split personality? Mental issues? And in the last episodes, he seems to be showing real interest in MC Group. Could it be possible that he didn't really intend to kill SH's mom but accidentally did? 

 

Although on episode 12 where SH had a sort of a mental dialogue, I started suspecting her dad too. lmao  The 2nd wife and Wan Joo have both showed malicious intent from the start. It's hard not to suspect them but the writer wouldn't make it too obvious, would he? 

 

Argh! I'm actually unsure at this point!!! :joy:

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1 hour ago, mylovekge said:

OOooohhh, this betting game should be fun! LOL

 

Of course everyone has a motive to kill Seok Hee's mom. There are reasons I find hard to explain as to why I am suspecting Wan Soo. I just think sometimes, those who seem to have no intent to kill often come out as the murderer. LOL but other than that, he really seems iffy to me. When Ms. Han said there was a reason he couldn't be CEO, could it be because of his past? Does he have split personality? Mental issues? And in the last episodes, he seems to be showing real interest in MC Group. Could it be possible that he didn't really intend to kill SH's mom but accidentally did? 

 

Although on episode 12 where SH had a sort of a mental dialogue, I started suspecting her dad too. lmao  The 2nd wife and Wan Joo have both showed malicious intent from the start. It's hard not to suspect them but the writer wouldn't make it too obvious, would he? 

 

Argh! I'm actually unsure at this point!!! :joy:

WS has to be a psycho to be the murderer. But then again, this is a drama so I guess it is still possible to suspect him. Ms Han saying she can't play him 'as a card' and not liking 'someone unpredictable' as CEO sounds like mental instability to me. wouldn't be happy if he really is a murderer (I like him. He is sort of like a happy pill to me. Haha) but that's the point. Such twist will have a great impact if executed properly.

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1 hour ago, ii panda said:

WS has to be a psycho to be the murderer. But then again, this is a drama so I guess it is still possible to suspect him. Ms Han saying she can't play him 'as a card' and not liking 'someone unpredictable' as CEO sounds like a mental instability to me. wouldn't be happy if he really is a murderer (I like him. He is sort of like a happy pill to me. Haha) but that's the point, such twist will have a great impact if executed properly.

Me too. While I know Seok Hee is such a bold and headstrong person, it's still nice to know she had someone by her side from the Mo family. And yea exactly my point, could he be a Schizo? Bipolar? IDK really but him having mental issues is a huge possibility. And he probably doesn't exactly remember that he killed her mom which is why they are so bent on making Wan Joo the heir because he is such a huge flaw to the family.  ETA: of course this is just a theory LOL 

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55 minutes ago, mylovekge said:

Me too. While I know Seok Hee is such a bold and headstrong person, it's still nice to know she had someone by her side from the Mo family. And yea exactly my point, could he be a Schizo? Bipolar? IDK really but him having mental issues is a huge possibility. And he probably doesn't exactly remember that he killed her mom which is why they are so bent on making Wan Joo the heir because he is such a huge flaw to the family.  ETA: of course this is just a theory LOL 

 

Ms Han considered SH, too. Taking into account that SH's behavior is also unrestrained, why did Ms Han NOT also say that SH is unpredictable? I think 'unpredictability' stated by Ms Han here is NOT about 'freedom of expression'. So it is indeed a huge probability that WS is mentally unstable.

 

But than again, if WS did murder SH's mom, I do wonder why they haven't thrown him under the bus yet. Afterall, Mr Mo already expressed his going thru an offense the legal way before. The effort to bury the incident seemed too much, considering that protecting his image is not much of value to MC Group (consider his taking the fall as CNR's son's father). Rather than being murdered, I still think SH's mom committed suicide or stabbed herself accidentally. Another probability is premeditated murder (no signs of struggle in the crime scene) but I don't think Ms Han or anyone from the Mo family would go for a knife-kill unless what they want is a spectacle to blackmail someone.

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On 10/5/2019 at 8:36 AM, Lmangla said:

bet name: "what happened that afternoon?" -- guess the killer:

option 1: wan joon - bathtub soaker with a heart of stone -- @tulip06 @Lmangla 

option 2: wan soo -- the director who slays with flowers -- @Bejaffled @mylovekge @philosophie @celebrianna @joccu @soesje @Cassandra E. Bett  

option 3: ms han - scavenger eagle who plans bad events over coffee - @ii panda @camichi

option 4: second wife - the singer who thinks music sounds better on ice and pain @Lmangla @ii panda 

option 5: papa mo - the bear who wants it all but always disappointed... @curly4hiro @camichi

option 6: someone outside the family / she accidentally killed herself  -- @serendipity... @Elfvanvan13

option 7: murder in orient express -- the four Mo's and Ms han. -- @thistle @10192123sangre

So my bet is:

 

Option 6 - I think SH's mom was killed by someone that she didn't suspect. In the flashback, she looked surprised as much as struggling to stay alive. It could've been a worker, contractor, delivery guy, someone she would come in contact with semi-regularly, but not someone in the family. However, I am adding Option 3, because they were probably paid to do it by Ms. Han. I think either way, it comes back to her. She knows everything that goes on in that family or she controls everything that goes on in that family.

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So I have a thought...

 

What if WS didn't murder SH's Mom, but was made to think he did? This was done as a method to kill many birds with a single stone. They could blackmail WS to not want to be the successor through guilt, get rid of SH and SH's mom and thus be able to place WJ as the heir. 

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@Lmangla I am joining quite late the poll but I am inclined to believe that ms. Han is the one who murdered SH's mother. So far, SH is not suspecting her at all. She just thinks that Ms. Han was sent there in order to clean up the mess. But we saw that she went to the house that day. Why? Furthermore Ms. Han mentioned the CCTV to the Mo family, well aware that they would all feel uncomfortable. They might even suspect each other. She never told them that she was there that day. By erasing the CCTV, she ensured that she wouldn't be suspected. No family member would resent her for destroying the evidence...

 

And here is the motive for Ms. Han. We know for sure that she was against the idea that SH becomes the heir. In my opinion, there is a reason for that. Don't forget how resentful and angry she became because MC Group ruined her career after her ruling. So it was said that she was against the wish of SH's grandfather. And this is no coincidence. In my opinion, Ms. Han wanted to get revenge by destroying his dream and even become the real leader of MC Group. She is not just the king maker, she is in reality the real king. Notice how Ms. Han was able to manage to "get rid" of all heirs: SJ, SH, Mo... Right now, there are only WS and WJ left. With WJ as the CEO, she can control the company. WS is different, he is a free-spirit which means that he won't always follow her orders.     

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Argh, till now I am not sure who is the person who wanted Seok Hee's mum dead. So many suspects. Will watch tomorrow's episode to get a better idea. My guess for now could be Ms Han, WJ and his mum. By the way, the casts and crew will be going for a vacation trip to Vietnam from 21st Oct to 25th Oct courtesy of MBN. Let's hope we will be getting higher ratings for the next few episodes.

 

 

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@Lmangla The other reason why I am suspecting Ms. Han is that the grandfather's accident happened just before SH's mother was murdered. And this is no coincidence because this means that the murder of her mother was planned. Without the grandfather's protection, SH could be sent away to the USA. WS and WJ don't fit in that category.

 

Honestly, it would be great if Ms. Han discovered at the end that the one who ruined her career was not the grandfather, but SH's father. We saw that the latter would often bribe people... Sure, the grandfather was at the trial but we heard that during that time, Mo was actually the one who had developed different strategies aso. So the grandfather was only acting in name, he let his son run the business. We shouldn't forget that Ms. Han has been described as hot-tempered and impatient. Seeing the grandfather at the trial made her think that he had been the one who gave the order for the pollution... and later took revenge for the strict sentence, while in reality the grandfather came in order to see what kind of person she was as he was already looking for a mentor. Imagine the irony. This all tragedy happened because of a huge misunderstanding.

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Posted (edited)

UPDATED:

here's everyone bets; if you still want to join us, please do before wednesday episode. we may not see whether our pick is right this week but lets lock it down and have a few laughs. all for fun. :D 

 

so the penalty: if you win, then change your DP or post a pic of tofu! or alternatively the drama's tofu kiss? ^_^ hahahah... and if you lose, then change your DP or post a pic of picasso? ^_^

 

 

bet name: "what happened that afternoon?" -- guess the killer:

option 1: wan joon - bathtub soaker with a heart of stone -- @tulip06 @Lmangla @ktcjdrama 

option 2: wan soo -- the director who slays with flowers -- @Bejaffled @mylovekge @philosophie @celebrianna @joccu @soesje @Cassandra E. Bett @rocher22 @DreamCatcher2011 @Ameera Ali

option 3: ms han - scavenger eagle who plans bad events over coffee - @ii panda @camichi @nubianlegalmind @bebebisous33 

option 4: second wife - the singer who thinks music sounds better on ice and pain @Lmangla @ii panda @rocher22 @Ameera Ali 

option 5: papa mo - the bear who wants it all but always disappointed... @curly4hiro @camichi

option 6: someone outside the family / she accidentally killed herself  -- @serendipity... @Elfvanvan13 @nubianlegalmind

option 7: murder in orient express -- the four Mo's and Ms han. -- @thistle @10192123sangre

 

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56 minutes ago, Lmangla said:

UPDATED:

here's everyone bets; if you still want to join us, please do before wednesday episode. we may not see whether our pick is right this week but lets lock it down and have a few laughs. all for fun. :D 

 

so the penalty: if you win, then change your DP or post a pic of tofu! or alternatively the drama's tofu kiss? ^_^ hahahah... and if you lose, then change your DP or post a pic of picasso? ^_^

 

 

bet name: "what happened that afternoon?" -- guess the killer:

option 1: wan joon - bathtub soaker with a heart of stone -- @tulip06 @Lmangla 

option 2: wan soo -- the director who slays with flowers -- @Bejaffled @mylovekge @philosophie @celebrianna @joccu @soesje @Cassandra E. Bett  

option 3: ms han - scavenger eagle who plans bad events over coffee - @ii panda @camichi @nubianlegalmind @bebebisous33 

option 4: second wife - the singer who thinks music sounds better on ice and pain @Lmangla @ii panda 

option 5: papa mo - the bear who wants it all but always disappointed... @curly4hiro @camichi

option 6: someone outside the family / she accidentally killed herself  -- @serendipity... @Elfvanvan13 @nubianlegalmind

option 7: murder in orient express -- the four Mo's and Ms han. -- @thistle @10192123sangre

 

Please give step by step instructions as to  how to - 

change your DP or post a pic of tofu! or alternatively the drama's tofu kiss?  hahahah... and if you lose, then change your DP or post a pic of picasso?

Thank you in advance.

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1 hour ago, 10192123sangre said:

 

Please give step by step instructions as to  how to - 

change your DP or post a pic of tofu! or alternatively the drama's tofu kiss?  hahahah... and if you lose, then change your DP or post a pic of picasso?

Thank you in advance.

kekekee.... okay: here, goes the steps for changing profile pic:

1. so top of the page, your name should be there. click on your name.

2. this will give you options, click on profile and this will take you to your profile page

3. left of your name is your profile picture. if you click on the icon "profile photo", it will give you options

4. upload photo is from your own computer, import from url (is from internet) and remove photo. I usually choose import from url. just google a pic and right click for "copy image location"

5. once you click on import from url, you will have a box appear and paste the image location. and then press continue. you can play with the dimensions and then press okay.

 

so thats for profile pic, if you prefer to post a pic, thats easy. in the regular post box (like this one), just paste the image location (step 5 in above) and wait for the server and the pic should pop up. then post!

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The reason I didn't suspect Ms Han is because she is a very obvious suspect from the beginning. And making her the killer will be less impactful lol However, I also realized as the series progressed, she never really did the dirty work, she has minions to do the work for her. And somehow I thought that it could be very well possible that she did it. And if in the end, she does turn out to be the killer it will still come as a twist to most people, because you won't even expect someone like Ms. Han to actually hold a knife and stab someone. Add to the fact that right now, SH doesn't even suspect her. 

 

TBH, I am so confused at this point but Wan soo will still be my guess for reasons I stated above. lol Everybody has a motive to kill that everyone is likely a suspect and this is what's keeping the viewers at the edge of their seats. 

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I am ready to place my bets... @Lmangla

The killer is #1 ~ Wan Joon, but of course second wife has been drugging her, so she actually has a hand in it too. Reason for choosing WJ is based on his reaction at the dining table when Han announced that the CCTV footage has been taken care of. 

 

I cannot find which episode the scene of SH’s mother was found dead on the floor, but it is very clear that the scene is staged if any investigator bothered to look closely at how the wine bottle fell and what wine stain on the carpet looks like. But of course, even the prosecutor and judge already been bought, so I guess any investigation is useless anyway. 

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I've watched so many korean dramas, probably more than one hundred dramas. So from my experience as Kdrama veteran, I think the unexpected one Wan Soo is the killer (option 2). There are already so many twists in drama so the killer os SH mom will be an unexpected one.

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Seems like majority so far are leaning towards WS. Like @DreamCatcher2011 said, it feels like the least obvious suspect, WS, is the most possible if the drama wants to go for a twist. Of course I hope that’s not the case, but seeing as how this show loves to leave us at the edge of our seats, I wouldn’t put it behind pdnims to drop Bomb like that on us.

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