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It was only last week I questioned lady Voldemort's capabilities on keeping up with Bonnie & Clyde and  this week she squashed off my doubts with a banger lol. Woman is indeed 2 steps ahead of the rest & I like it. This time her stakes will be high since everyone's plotting her exit and that's the only common ground between SH & her so called dad

 

I could be out of my wits but kinda feel none of the family members killed SH's mom that day. What if her death was staged? I also wonder why lady Voldemort is hell bent on saving mc group so much. I'm intrigued about her story and hope they give an epi based on her past 

 

This drama is so good I just hope it doesn't meet a bizarre & lukewarm ending. Misty & Memories of the Alhambra scarred me for life with meaningless & stupid endings lol

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Out of the whole twisted family, I found WS one of the most interesting characters. Mostly as he really did not have a mean streak compared to the rest of them, when he was stable, he was very much an

Well-said.  That was what made WS truly a tragic character.  He was flawed; he had made a horrible mistake.  But he was still kind.  He only wanted to be loved and accepted, and especially so by the p

So bets are more fun if we have a penalty. lets see -- if you win, then change your DP or post a pic of tofu! or alternatively the drama's tofu kiss? hahahah... and if you lose, then change your DP o

After ep12, Mo Wan Soo is definitely looking more suspicious. Though there's no motive hinted at yet, his convoluted, mysterious way of talking in riddles makes him look very suss. I quite like the character. I find him interesting, with his intentional playing the fool while obviously being more switched on and devious than he wants to let on. There have been moments of kindness and hurt that seemed sincere, and I was hoping he wasn't the murderer, but I'm not sure if I just fell for his act as well. 

I'm still really perplexed over Ms Hans motivations. What is it she wants? Why is she so devoted to a company that belongs to someone else? Is it about power? What does her loyalty to MC Group fulfill for her? Her backstory/reasoning has to have something major for her to leave her morals and reputation as an upstanding Judge to become a bulldog/snake for such a nasty, corrupt, thieving, murdering family and company. Or was she simply so disillusioned by the Justice system that she decided to do a total 180° and become the most unrighteous, unjust, low down, shabby version of a human she could possibly manage. When she does something corrupt or nasty, the look on her face says enjoys it.

Anyway, I was plodding along fine, not too worried about any romance in this drama. I thought our MLs had some cute chemistry, but I didn't mind if it went nowhere....until the preview. Now I'm in, boarding the ship, to cheer on deck. The determination in YDs stride toward SH, and just kissing her like that?!! Yeah, that has got me hyped for some romance between our two cuties. I'd like some passion please show. Thankyou :kiss_wink: :tounge_wink:

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I'm currently studying screenwriting and it makes me somehow understand the reason for the populariry of this show. Aside from how well the cast carry their roles, the tragedy--the downfall of a powerful figure--piques the interest of people more than any other plot (in this case, the anticipation of the downfall of the Mo family, of Ms Han and TOP). Plus it veers away from explaining everything (they treat us as if we're intelligent enough to understand behavior and events) and I like how the flashbacks do not disrupt the general structure of the story. I hope they follow through with a good ending though. I agree that in most kdramas, endings normally feel rushed and/or absurd (I'd prefer a strong ending, no matter how hurtful or frustrating, that isn't scared of going against the more popular yet illogical demand of fans).

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So bets are more fun if we have a penalty. lets see -- if you win, then change your DP or post a pic of tofu! or alternatively the drama's tofu kiss? :P hahahah... and if you lose, then change your DP or post a pic of picasso? :lol:

 

bet name: "what happened that afternoon?" -- guess the killer:

option 1: wan joon - bathtub soaker with a heart of stone -- @tulip06 @Lmangla 

option 2: wan soo -- the director who slays with flowers -- @Bejaffled @mylovekge @philosophie @celebrianna @joccu @soesje @Cassandra E. Bett  

option 3: ms han - scavenger eagle who plans bad events over coffee - @ii panda @camichi @nubianlegalmind @bebebisous33 

option 4: second wife - the singer who thinks music sounds better on ice and pain @Lmangla @ii panda 

option 5: papa mo - the bear who wants it all but always disappointed... @curly4hiro @camichi

option 6: someone outside the family / she accidentally killed herself  -- @serendipity... @Elfvanvan13 @nubianlegalmind

option 7: murder in orient express -- the four Mo's and Ms han. -- @thistle @10192123sangre

 

so put the names down from page 19 guesses -- if these aren't fixed, let me know what your pick is. can also pick more than one as well.

@Ameera Ali @thistle @ktcjdrama @Sushimi @monica63 @guinearoyal @Man-O-Man @0ly40 @lu09 @rocher22 @joccu @camichi @soesje @RobinM @sksen @curly4hiro @kapneemo @Fabbo @nubianlegalmind @auberon -- place your bets! even if you haven't been active (clicking reaction button or posting), you can still join us and have a laugh if you are watching the drama. :D

 

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@Lmangla I’m in for that bet! 

 

Okay, everyone else, next week, I’m watching on the weekend. It was so uncomfortable waiting for subs. I’m putting this out of my mind until next Saturday now, since it feels like I have a week to wait anyway. Of course, I’ll be checking for recaps, though...

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31 minutes ago, Lmangla said:

So bets are more fun if we have a penalty. lets see -- if you win, then change your DP or post a pic of tofu! or alternatively the drama's tofu kiss? :P hahahah... and if you lose, then change your DP or post a pic of picasso? :lol:

 

bet name: "what happened that afternoon?" -- guess the killer:

option 1: wan joon - bathtub soaker with a heart of stone -- @ii panda @tulip06 @Lmangla 

option 2: wan soo -- the director who slays with flowers -- @Bejaffled @mylovekge @philosophie @celebrianna 

option 3: ms han - scavenger eagle who plans bad events over coffee - @ii panda 

option 4: second wife - the singer who thinks music sounds better on ice and pain @Lmangla 

option 5: papa mo - the bear who wants it all but always disappointed...

option 6: someone outside the family,  -- @serendipity... 

 

so put the names down from page 19 guesses -- if these aren't fixed, let me know what your pick is. can also pick more than one as well.

@Ameera Ali @thistle @ktcjdrama @Sushimi @monica63 @guinearoyal @Man-O-Man @0ly40 @lu09 @rocher22 @joccu @camichi @soesje @RobinM @sksen @curly4hiro @kapneemo @Fabbo @nubianlegalmind @auberon -- place your bets! even if you haven't been active (clicking reaction button or posting), you can still join us and have a laugh if you are watching the drama. :D

 

I'm in. My first choice is Ms Han (or at least, she ordered it), second is Young-il and third is WJ. It feels like cheating to have 3 bets so for this, I will only lock in on Ms Han. :D

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7 hours ago, Bejaffled said:

I'm still really perplexed over Ms Hans motivations. What is it she wants? Why is she so devoted to a company that belongs to someone else? Is it about power?

here's what I got after watching ep 12 -- it is all about power for her. she is making executive decisions like she is the owner but she gets to do it behind the scenes. so she doesn't have to pretend and do this social face in front of anyone but she gets to pull all the strings. so when papa mo asks her make wan soo the successor, she balks. now how is this her decision in the first place? is she the owner? does she own stocks? does she have veto power? she lists the employees but we know that humans are more like prey for her.

 

so what is her reason for rejecting wan soo -- he is unpredictable. isn't that an absurd reason? papa mo wants to expand the company through arts and in that case, wan soo is perfect. him being unpredictable means he is creative, thinking out of the box and is likely to push a company through interesting ways to get profits. so, in the real world, we have so many interesting tech products because of out-of-the-box thinkers. wan soo being unpredictable would be an asset but why she doesn't see it that way? because she can't control him. that is her sole motivation behind rejecting him. he can't be expected to obey her commands because he may or may not depending on how he feels and thinks. so he is a loose cannon who will forge his own path and make her obsolete.

 

she also rejects seok hee despite thinking she has capabilities. so she tells wan joon that seok hee is a shark and has been swimming continuously and pushing through. but still, seok hee is not her choice? why? again, it is because seok hee will not be someone she can control. seok hee has also shown herself to be someone who can be quite compassionate and determined to do the right thing -- these are traits ms han despises and sees as no value. it also means seok hee will not be okay with TOP's dirty games.

 

wan joon on the other hand makes a great puppet and also someone who thinks and feels like her. she doesn't have to worry because he is solely motivated by ambition and has zero guilt about manipulations or any bad actions.

 

that said, was laughing at how fun wan soo plays his card with his little flowers and charm. so instead of complimenting her, he subtly gives her a "sword" made of flowers! hahahah.. and the flowers signify caution and danger. so yea, definite loose cannon who plays by his own rules.

 

am wondering what seok hee accidentally found in the doctor's office -- she said she has to confirm. even though yeon do and seok hee were prepared for ms han finding out, yeon do got outplayed with the embezzlement charge. however, it was fun to see ms han's face turn dark in surprise when she realized yeon do really outfoxed her for so many months and she had no idea who he was or what his motive was.

 

it will be interesting to see what ms han's Achilles heel is. she doesn't seem very connected to people at all and despises emotions. even those she has deals with like the prosecutor can easily turn against her if they wish as there's no loyalty -- it is all about what they get from each other. she is going to realize that not everyone can be manipulated by money or position and even when someone has lots to lose, they can still be led by their emotions -- she never even imagined the judge would return and be considering making a confession... so lots of loose cannons! can't wait for next week and especially that kiss. keeping my fingers crossed for a nice one! kekekek...

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12 minutes ago, ii panda said:

I'm in. My first choice is Ms Han (or at least, she ordered it), second is Young-il and third is WJ. It feels like cheating to have 3 bets so for this, I will only lock in on Ms Han. :D

cool, have edited my post above. shall I include second wife as well then in your choice?

 

22 hours ago, ii panda said:

I have a little problem with WS being the murderer. WS does not seem to show any sign of guilt. A normal person who murdered someone will exhibit that guilt. Unless WS is a psychopath (but I don't see any sign of that).

am feeling quite certain wan soo isn't the killer after ep 12. he doesn't have any guilt like you said and is not a psychopath. he seems to genuinely see seok hee as a sibling and even wants to share his happy news with her after his chat with papa mo. it seems important to him that seok hee believes in him. so yea, he doesn't seem so cold hearted that he would use her. also am not sure if papa mo would consider wan soo if he was a liability to MC group.

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8 minutes ago, curly4hiro said:

@Lmangla     I am in .....option 5  ...don't ask me why....just gut feeling....:glasses:

interesting choice. you seem to be the first in thinking papa mo may be behind it. any specific reasons why or just a gut feeling thats all?

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@Lmangla you're making it a lot more interesting ha ha... now I'm extra psyched to see what actually happened. Only few more epis left

 

Btw in certain flashback moments lady Voldemort gave money to YD's uncle (I think) just before YD's mom's final verdict during the murder case. Wonder what happened to that man 

 

I like the concept of story telling in this drama. Every week is dedicated to one character and their back story is shown in flashback mode which is quite interesting. Hopefully next week will be lady Voldemort's *fingers crossed* . I've always been intrigued by her motive more than anyone else from the beginning. That actress is doing a pretty damn good job

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1 hour ago, Lmangla said:

so put the names down from page 19 guesses -- if these aren't fixed, let me know what your pick is. can also pick more than one as well.

 

 

How about a new option?  What if we have a "Murder on the Orient Express" situation here?  

Yeah, I'll go for that thought:  the murderer is EVERYBODY.  The Four Mo's and Ms. Han.

:ph34r::ph34r::ph34r::ph34r::ph34r:

 

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20 minutes ago, thistle said:

 

How about a new option?  What if we have a "Murder on the Orient Express" situation here?  

Yeah, I'll go for that thought:  the murderer is EVERYBODY.  The Four Mo's and Ms. Han.

:ph34r::ph34r::ph34r::ph34r::ph34r:

 

oooh, that sounds interesting actually! will add that in as well.

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2 hours ago, Lmangla said:

So bets are more fun if we have a penalty. lets see -- if you win, then change your DP or post a pic of tofu! or alternatively the drama's tofu kiss? :P hahahah... and if you lose, then change your DP or post a pic of picasso? :lol:

 

bet name: "what happened that afternoon?" -- guess the killer:

option 1: wan joon - bathtub soaker with a heart of stone -- @tulip06 @Lmangla 

option 2: wan soo -- the director who slays with flowers -- @Bejaffled @mylovekge @philosophie @celebrianna @joccu 

option 3: ms han - scavenger eagle who plans bad events over coffee - @ii panda 

option 4: second wife - the singer who thinks music sounds better on ice and pain @Lmangla 

option 5: papa mo - the bear who wants it all but always disappointed... @curly4hiro

option 6: someone outside the family,  -- @serendipity... 

option 7: murder in orient express -- the four Mo's and Ms han. -- @thistle 

 

so put the names down from page 19 guesses -- if these aren't fixed, let me know what your pick is. can also pick more than one as well.

@Ameera Ali @thistle @ktcjdrama @Sushimi @monica63 @guinearoyal @Man-O-Man @0ly40 @lu09 @rocher22 @joccu @camichi @soesje @RobinM @sksen @curly4hiro @kapneemo @Fabbo @nubianlegalmind @auberon -- place your bets! even if you haven't been active (clicking reaction button or posting), you can still join us and have a laugh if you are watching the drama. :D

 

It's difficult to say actually, because almost all of them have a motive, except for wan soon. I don't know why he would kill her, but i found it strange that ms han said to him that there is a reason he cant be the ceo. So maybe he did something in the past or his reckless behaviour made it impossible for him.

But for now i still think second wife wanted her dead, but she was found with a bottle of wine on the floor and a stab in her side.. so maybe it was someone she was going to have dinner with, someone familiar who she was on good terms with.. 

soooo i'm betting on options 2, 5 or 6... i cant choose...

on the cctv wan joon went in first, wan soo second, second wife third, dad fourth and ms han was the last one. I think it happend after wan soon or the dad came in..

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45 minutes ago, soesje said:

But for now i still think second wife wanted her dead, but she was found with a bottle of wine on the floor and a stab in her side.. so maybe it was someone she was going to have dinner with, someone familiar who she was on good terms with.. 

soooo i'm betting on options 2, 5 or 6... i cant choose..

ooh interesting point regarding the wine bottle. since you said most likely someone familiar, should I put you down for option 2 and 5? or just option 5 papa mo?.. other than a fun penalty, it is just bet for laughs. :D

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47 minutes ago, Lmangla said:

ooh interesting point regarding the wine bottle.

 

If we go with the Everybody theory (as I am doing), then we might think that one person poisoned the wine while another stabbed her, and I don't know what the other two did but they sure did something!  ;) 

 

And it occurs to me that we don't know what Second Son had in that paper bag he was carrying.  He wouldn't be likely to share one of his pretty dresses, would he?  There could be something deadly in that bag.

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3 hours ago, Lmangla said:

ooh interesting point regarding the wine bottle. since you said most likely someone familiar, should I put you down for option 2 and 5? or just option 5 papa mo?.. other than a fun penalty, it is just bet for laughs. :D

Ehm for now i think i will go with option 2 lets see what happens :blush:

 

@thistle  maybe the second son brought the bottle of wine with him wan soon came after, she decided to open up the bottle second wife comes in they argue dad comes in they fight bottle falls on the ground someone stabs her from the side but actually just wanted to stop the fight.. they call miss han and she needs to clean up the mess.. miss han calls the maid PTH's mom and she is framed for the murder.. the uncle is bribed with money and so the story continues..

But these questions keep consuming my mind

  • why would the second wife visit suk hee's mom, she kicked her out of the mansion and now she wants what exactly?
  • why was the dad visiting suk hee's mom? and why did he ask for and destroy the case files? did he really destroy the files or is he keeping it safe in order to use it against miss Han in the end?
  • Why was wan soo even there and why did he say he didn't speak to MSH's mom alone, why did he let suk hee keep her blanket while wan joon and second wife wanted to destroy everything?

 

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