nrllee Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Does anyone know who the nurse is? The one who campaigns and is out to get YoHan? She identified herself as the nurse who got the patient (who was killed by YoHan) to sign up for a clinical trial? To be honest when I looked at him (the patient) on that bed with his distended stomach and in so much pain, a clinical trial would only extend the agony and it wouldn’t do much for his quality of life. The Prosecutor guy is related to her? When they both showed up at the boy(?)’s Columbarium I thought they were Husband and Wife but it doesn’t look like it. The patient YoHan killed was the kidnapper who killed 2 boys? Maybe that’s how the Prosecutor and the Nurse are linked? They are the parents of the 2 boys? Maybe that’s why they were angry with YoHan. They wanted the killer of their children to suffer for a slow lingering death. They were angry that YoHan denied them of that because he sent the patient off early to his death. I am trying to figure out why they are so mad with YoHan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qynn Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 3 hours ago, nrllee said: Does anyone know who the nurse is? The one who campaigns and is out to get YoHan? She identified herself as the nurse who got the patient (who was killed by YoHan) to sign up for a clinical trial? To be honest when I looked at him (the patient) on that bed with his distended stomach and in so much pain, a clinical trial would only extend the agony and it wouldn’t do much for his quality of life. The Prosecutor guy is related to her? When they both showed up at the boy(?)’s Columbarium I thought they were Husband and Wife but it doesn’t look like it. The patient YoHan killed was the kidnapper who killed 2 boys? Maybe that’s how the Prosecutor and the Nurse are linked? They are the parents of the 2 boys? Maybe that’s why they were angry with YoHan. They wanted the killer of their children to suffer for a slow lingering death. They were angry that YoHan denied them of that because he sent the patient off early to his death. I am trying to figure out why they are so mad with YoHan. Yeah, I think the nurse's little boy was one of the two that was kidnapped and murdered. It would explain why she got the patient to sign the papers for the clinical trial - she wanted her child's murderer to suffer as much as possible. If I were in her shoes, I'd probably be angry with Yo Han for denying her that, for giving him a dignified death when her child didn't get the same. I'm not sure how the Prosecutor fits in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nona88 Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 3 hours ago, nrllee said: Does anyone know who the nurse is? The one who campaigns and is out to get YoHan? She identified herself as the nurse who got the patient (who was killed by YoHan) to sign up for a clinical trial? To be honest when I looked at him (the patient) on that bed with his distended stomach and in so much pain, a clinical trial would only extend the agony and it wouldn’t do much for his quality of life. The Prosecutor guy is related to her? When they both showed up at the boy(?)’s Columbarium I thought they were Husband and Wife but it doesn’t look like it. The patient YoHan killed was the kidnapper who killed 2 boys? Maybe that’s how the Prosecutor and the Nurse are linked? They are the parents of the 2 boys? Maybe that’s why they were angry with YoHan. They wanted the killer of their children to suffer for a slow lingering death. They were angry that YoHan denied them of that because he sent the patient off early to his death. I am trying to figure out why they are so mad with YoHan. I want to know too But still now it not clear about their story But for sure they hidden agenda more then being just a nurse and prosecutor of the kidnapper who chy killed they hide their hate under their lies of caring for the kidnapper that die in cyh hand So mostly you right they linked for the boys of one of them that were killed by the kidnapper and there more of their story I agree with you that the patient wasn't in situation to be in trial he was in last stage it was going to be like using him only as pig for experience with no chance for his surviving and making him only suffer more I dont even think he really sign that agreement by himself or at least by his will. I hope to understand more but look today eps was shown the side story of cyh I like how he open his heart a little to sy and he really care for her pain that why he share that story Even when I still think he know more the he show or say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nona88 Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 After watching the full ep 4 raw I have to say that Sy shine in this eps she nailed the character and her feeling it getting better since we have a very good two leading standing and giving us a a very strong and emotional scene I don't have to talk about CYH character he just keep getting better and better with each eps I like the balance between romance , emotional, patients story and the funny and human side I looking forward for all the character too , the mother, the sister , the cute doctor and other students in the pain department I am just really fearing all the cute scene they giving us cause it candy before the really hard eps coming to us ( the prosecutor really scare me from the poster till now he going to be a really evil person to them and gr going to target SY now since he notice CYH caring for her ) I dont know but if they get over SY father story so fast already that mean it going to focused on CYH story now , they building the characters and their bond for the fight that coming to them , I hope after the heart full talk we had in ep 4 between SY and CYH about what happen in the past that Sy will be strong enough to stand and help CYH now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrllee Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 Last night’s episode ratings holding steady amid stiff competition. Need to find time to watch it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nymeria289 Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 I am still on the fence about the ethical part of the viewpoint both Si Young and Do Han are toying with. Doctors are not supposed to play God....I kind of get what happened with Si Young but Do Han is still a mystery to me. I like the budding romance though. Ji Sung....the way he stares....Goodness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thistle Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 Today's episode was something rare (at least in my experience): the way that SY and CYH were in a "box" during their intense conversation on the street.....that's the way I felt while I was watching this episode. I was so fixated on the screen that I was aware of absolutely nothing around me because this drama drew me in so completely. It was amazing. I feel like I've been somewhere very far away. 28 minutes ago, Nymeria289 said: Ji Sung....the way he stares....Goodness Oh my. He's dangerous. I don't think I've seen his previous dramas, so I'm gonna have to go find his other work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrllee Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Nymeria289 said: I am still on the fence about the ethical part of the viewpoint both Si Young and Do Han are toying with. Doctors are not supposed to play God....I kind of get what happened with Si Young but Do Han is still a mystery to me. Yeah I think the drama is supposed to do this. To make you wonder and to make your own decision as to where you sit on the whole euthanasia debate. Euthanasia is legal in some countries. And in others there are very strict rules about when it’s allowed. Then there’s assisted and unassisted euthanasia. Assisted is what YoHan did, actually injecting a lethal dose of anesthetic to send the patient on their way. Unassisted is when you unhook a patient off a ventilator and let them die. It’s never an easy decision to make . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nona88 Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 1 hour ago, thistle said: Today's episode was something rare (at least in my experience): the way that SY and CYH were in a "box" during their intense conversation on the street.....that's the way I felt while I was watching this episode. I was so fixated on the screen that I was aware of absolutely nothing around me because this drama drew me in so completely. It was amazing. I feel like I've been somewhere very far away. Oh my. He's dangerous. I don't think I've seen his previous dramas, so I'm gonna have to go find his other work. Yeh I liked this scene too so much it was so much like my feeling for this drama I am a prisoner of this box , I cant wait I want to see more About ji sung he more than amazing he make fell in love with his eyes you should watch all his preview work the man is acting genius you wouldn't believed how much different and amazing characters he played till now , he can make you just believe on his character so much to think it his really personality, there many actor who I loved thier amazing work but not like this man everytime I think he get the top performance that I cant get over his great character this will be his top and best one but he come back with another drama and another character to make it clear " I am still not done yet , forget about the past one and be amazed by this new one " my favorite dramas you most watch Spoiler Secret love, kill me heal me , protect my boss and a new heart I can watch them over and over with beating heart 1 hour ago, Nymeria289 said: I am still on the fence about the ethical part of the viewpoint both Si Young and Do Han are toying with. Doctors are not supposed to play God....I kind of get what happened with Si Young but Do Han is still a mystery to me. I like the budding romance though. Ji Sung....the way he stares....Goodness Dear I watched now with sub so I understand his view , It can count as spoiler so my friends dont read it if didn't watch it yet and you dont like knowning before watching Spoiler he was beside that patient for two months knowing he cant be cure , he only give his painkiller waiting for him to die and knowing he cant stop the pain with the painkiller too, The patient ask him to stop his pain too even if he going to die, like CYH said it wasnt treatment it was tournament for the patient they just were waiting for him to die on himself to not take responsibility as doctor but there was nothing more they doing for him it hard and not black and white area It hard for me till now to say that i agree on taking life even when the owner of life ask for it , it just like suicide thing!!! Are we going to agree if the patient killed himself by himself to stop the not stopped and uncured pain ??? No we still have our own doubt about it we still have side that understand and side that refuses taken your own life no matter what But in the end we talk so big and proud but we wasn't the patient or the doctor we cant understand their mind totally I get to understand a little after this episode as CYH refused to give the fighter life even when he asked for it cause life isn't easy you cant give it just cause you cant live it like you want either you can just decide to end your life or other cause it hard to handle pain, as CYH said he not responsible for the death and life of his patients and neither he a doctor who kill his patients so I understand his view a little more now he not the control nuts who think stopping pain is his only care he care for the patients and their families and their life too P.s. I dont say i am against people who cant understand or agree on what CYH did I am more then understand that , I still in my really life cant accept that choice not from the patient not from the doctor I am more fate person and believer who still think it not our choice to end life even ours but as I said I am talking big and in pride way since I haven't being there before so I cant say I am 100% sure if that happen to me or loved one that it will be a clear and sure thought on me to let them or my self suffer uncured pain I will not have the right to say that till I will be there for really( i am praying that I would never experience that in my in my life and not in any of your too) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thistle Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 On 7/27/2019 at 11:07 PM, nrllee said: Unassisted is when you unhook a patient off a ventilator and let them die. It’s never an easy decision to make . It is a very, very painful thing to have to decide. I know because I have had to do this. I never thought that I would say something so personal on a forum but here's the truth (and I've got to warn that this is upsetting so you may not want to read and I'm not even sure I should post this): Spoiler My mother had a D N R. The hospital decided to put her on life support despite this. I had to make the painful decision to have it disconnected. It's something I really don't talk about because it's something you cannot describe or express. And it's why I understand that the highest form of love is sometimes simply letting go. Arranging to have someone's life support removed is the most final letting go of all. Perhaps this is why this is one of the reasons why this drama resonates with me. And possibly the reason why I completely shut out everything around me while I was watching yesterday's episode. I think I needed to hear the things that C Y H was saying about ending pain. On 7/27/2019 at 11:22 PM, nona88 said: I cant say I am 100% sure if that happen to me or loved one that it will be a clear and sure thought on me to let them or myself suffer uncured pain I will not have the right to say that till I will be there for really( i am praying that I would never experience that in my in my life and not in any of your too) As someone who has been there, I can say for certain that when someone you love is suffering, you can find the inner strength to turn off a ventilator. I genuinely hope that you never ever have to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nona88 Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 56 minutes ago, thistle said: Perhaps this is why this is one of the reasons why this drama resonates with me. And possibly the reason why I completely shut out everything around me while I was watching yesterday's episode. I think I needed to hear the things that CYH was saying about ending pain. yes that right it danger issues to talk about in drama as CYH said even in really life the doctors refuse to talk about that issues but as much as it danger as much it a really things that face many people , that thought that we want to let it out of our life still come to us at some point, so many had suffer that, so many refuse to think about what will they do if they were facing it that why it so interesting that why everyone different view in the drama still interested to us to watch and to understand it not about right or wrong or black and white it about to choice the hard one between the most painful choices in front of you i feel connect to it so much to , so i understand how much you will be connected to it , i hope CYH words was painkiller to you or other it was for me who couldn't accept his view at first but i get to understand that now as i said it not like i agree but it not like i have the right to judge that i know it from the start it not my place or right to do that 55 minutes ago, thistle said: 9 hours ago, nona88 said: I cant say I am 100% sure if that happen to me or loved one that it will be a clear and sure thought on me to let them or my self suffer uncured pain I will not have the right to say that till I will be there for really( i am praying that I would never experience that in my in my life and not in any of your too) As someone who has been there, I can say for certain that when someone you love is suffering, you can find the inner strength to turn off a ventilator. I genuinely hope that you never ever have to do so THANKS DEAR, that why i said it different to talk from the outside view than being there for really for what you have to go through Spoiler everything change on that moments so i so sorry that you had to go through it but i am so proud of you to face that with courage and power , it never easy for the people who has to face that moments so i know it wasn't easy for you i am sure the love one can understand each other feeling the best and i am sure it the same for you and your mother i will pray for her to rest in peace and i am sure she still feel your love thanks for sharing it i wasn't there before and i am selfish to pray to not be there in the future since i know how painful to see love one suffering now but if i have to be there at one time as you said the courage and strange will come too to help me decide what to do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philosophie Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 1 hour ago, thistle said: It's something I really don't talk about because it's something you cannot describe or express. And it's why I understand that the highest form of love is sometimes simply letting go. Arranging to have someone's life support removed is the most final letting go of all. Wow thank you for sharing your story chingu and my deepest condolences for your loss 12 minutes ago, nona88 said: that why it so interesting that why everyone different view in the drama still interested to us to watch and to understand it not about right or wrong or black and white it about to choice the hard one between the most painful choices in front of you When I first started this drama, I felt some ‘House tv show’ vibes mixed with ‘doctor prisoner’ because of all the diagnosing and medical practices in a jail. Now in the hospital and seeing the main expertise of this drama, I think the subject of pain management is certainly underrated because I thought all anastesialogist do are put people to sleep in surgery and monitor them. But it makes sense they are skilled in managing pain too since morphine is administered though IVs too like anastesia? But not only are we being introduced to the theme of doctors being responsible for a patient’s pain, we are also given such important issues like euthanasia and assisted suicide that are still being debated to this day. And in all this, even given food for thought about a doctors moral compass and the ‘grey’ side of all this ethical problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thistle Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 19 minutes ago, nona88 said: THANKS DEAR, that why i said it different to talk from the outside view than being there for really for what you have to go through 7 minutes ago, philosophie said: Wow thank you for sharing your story chingu and my deepest condolences for your loss Thank you. On message boards we often theorize when discussing dramas. That's understandable because we are trying to figure out things that we may not have experienced. In this particular case, I have genuine experience, so it seemed somehow that I could share that understanding and maybe help clarify what it feels like to end life support. When there is a choice to be made about End of Life, it is a challenging topic. There is no overall right or wrong answer; I believe that it is a singular and individual matter each time a choice must be made. In my mother's case, it was what she would have wanted so my actions were to honor her wishes no matter what. A few people in real life have questioned me on this but I stand firm that it was right to let her go and, as I said, I have no regrets. The dialogue from CYH was very enlightening in these matters. I really have to applaud the writer of this drama because she has written with great understanding and insight. I am looking forward to the rest of this drama, and I will be especially interested to see how SY deals with the consequences of her father's health care because that's something that truly hits home for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nateko Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 Hi, everyone! Just started watching this drama and I like what I see so far. Let's be honest, Ji Sung can make me watch anything, I'm a huge fan of his. The way he stares at the female lead... hot damn On a more serious topic, I think that euthanasia can be the biggest mercy to some but it also opens a possibility of it being abused. It's a very heavy and difficult topic to discuss but I'm also glad the drama doesn't shy away from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ameera Ali Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 Me saying why he so hot in this drama , it’s distracting me from story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qynn Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 @thistleThank you for sharing your story. I appreciate the way the drama is raising the topic of euthanasia and making the characters as well as viewers think about and discuss difficult ethical questions. Personally, I support euthanasia with certain restrictions, but I understand other viewpoints as well. So far I think the drama has done a good job of presenting different viewpoints as well as making me think about how I would feel as a doctor, a patient, or a family member. I want to say I'm glad there is good discussion going on in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ameera Ali Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 1 hour ago, nateko said: Let's be honest, Ji Sung can make me watch anything, I'm a huge fan of his. Wave , Join the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thistle Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 1 hour ago, nateko said: Let's be honest, Ji Sung can make me watch anything, I'm a huge fan of his. The way he stares at the female lead... hot damn When I checked yesterday to see what other work JS had done, I realized that he was the ML in a somewhat naughty movie that I saw and oh my goodness..... Anyone else watch this? Spoiler My PS Partner. (this movie is apparently also known as Watcha Wearin'?) And he's mostly naked in one scene. Is it warm in here? 12 hours ago, nona88 said: my favorite dramas you most watch Thanks! I will definitely be checking out more of his roles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nateko Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 24 minutes ago, thistle said: When I checked yesterday to see what other work JS had done, I realized that he was the ML in a somewhat naughty movie that I saw and oh my goodness..... Anyone else watch this? Reveal hidden contents My PS Partner. (this movie is apparently also known as Watcha Wearin'?) And he's mostly naked in one scene. Is it warm in here? Just watched the trailer and welp... imma go and watch it right now Only watched him in dramas before this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ameera Ali Posted July 28, 2019 Share Posted July 28, 2019 39 minutes ago, thistle said: When I checked yesterday to see what other work JS had done, I realized that he was the ML in a somewhat naughty movie that I saw and oh my goodness..... He leave nothing to imagination Me after one clip : I am blind god help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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