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18 minutes ago, larus said:

WOW! Many things happened and there were so many surprising turns and twists .

 

I still think Do Chi-Gwang is not the culprit that Tae Joo thinks he is but we`ll see.

Kim Jae-Myung is about to be released on parole and with him out things will get more interesting.

Everyone suspects the others. No one is spare in this drama. :D

 

I can not watch the next episodes but I am looking to read this thread. I am sure there will be lots of comments here. I catch up when I get back from my trip.  

 

I forgot to mention. I wonder if the body they found (the skeleton actually) is from that detective that has gone missing 15 years ago.  Do Chi-Gwang was asking Kim Jae Myung about him.

 

Yes, a lot of things in ep6. 

Now we know why Lawyer Han don't want to tell some things to Detective Do. She herself said that the murder of YG mom and what happened to her was done by the same guy. She said she was re investigating his mom's death as she felt something was wrong. 

 

Why? Why? Why? Kim Jae Myung wants to come out of parole after 15yrs and keeping quiet for this long years? He didn't bother to contact his son as he said he wanted to protect his son but the way I see it, he purposely contacted his son for a reason. Looks like he was using his son. That's what my mom and me was discussing. And he doesn't look like a nice person.

 

Ok Detective Do got a lot of things to explain. He was the first to found YG mom, found him hiding scared and caught his father. IS he a BAD guy? I don't think we got the answers yet. But that Mr Park himself asked him as he also doubt Detective Do a good guy or bad guy. 

 

But the thing is, I don't get it at Lawyer Han character. She looks like a double person. How do we know she is a good person too? She is asking YG to join her to investigate his mom's death. Did he really saw the murderer? He said he don't remember much. 

 

Looks like in ep7, old cases will be coming up with the soo many bones being found at the same place.   

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21 hours ago, Ameera Ali said:

Mr cool  ,can’t be bad guy :mrgreen::joy:

 

Bad guys are never THAT cool and hot! :mrgreen:

Only tortured and  tragic heroes have that priviledge!:glasses:

 

Look at him being all good looking!  That's why he can't go to jail: the world (which means me essentially me) needs him to stay a beautiful place!

 

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Lucky girl! Can i have her job?:w00t:

 

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19 hours ago, Ameera Ali said:

Yes , we can’t trust anyone, specially her  :joy: :phew:

 

I trust her! Look at her face when she took the trophy in full hand to anger him! 

Nobody  with a face like this can lie!:lol:

 

6 hours ago, Latte_Anyday said:

Soo-Yeon seem to be an ace at locating stuff. Turns out she used to work for the Forensics Unit. The sight of her shoveling was sort of a stretch for me LoL. I mean taking her small frame into consideration & in previous ep. she doesn't come across as a formidable person (shrug) And yet she was able to deduce the pile of bodies buried in a mass grave? K-Drama logic indeed;)

 

She's like Supergirl! She has super powers and can do anything but nobody knows!:ph34r: B)

 

6 hours ago, Latte_Anyday said:

I'm LoL when she chided Young-Goon for firing a gun instead of simply honking:lol: I guess even the coolest, most experienced of cops get flustered too:P  

 

Precious bean too cool for this world!:heart:

I love KYG's reactions to her during ep6: when he felt embarrassed because she freed him from the cuffs, when he realized that she has a better common sense than him after she scolded him for using his gun, when she brought her forensic materials and he couldn't help but say that she obviously still likes it (he meant she is good at it) and that she shouldn't have quit. 

GYK's expressions were so good: like a little boy who get impressed by a very brilliant girl but can't admit it yet! 

 

I don't think i bragged enough about our last ratings so here one more: 7th best rating of OCN!

How long before they reach the 1st place?B)

 

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after ep5 i’m still super impressed with KHJ and her acting.. her expressions and flair and everything.. negotiating with the Muil boss.. :wub: at least all of us know whats her objective in this kd.. Lawyer Han is very focused on her objective. i duno so much about Detective Do.. maybe it’ll be a twist for this (unlike Doctor Romantic) hahaha

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7 minutes ago, sadthe1st said:

after ep5 i’m still super impressed with KHJ and her acting.. her expressions and flair and everything.. negotiating with the Muil boss.. :wub: at least all of us know whats her objective in this kd.. Lawyer Han is very focused on her objective. i duno so much about Detective Do.. maybe it’ll be a twist for this (unlike Doctor Romantic) hahaha

 

We know what Lawyer Han wants. She wants to find the person who attacked her and her husband. 

Did  they say what happened to her husband? 

 

Detective Do, no definite what is his agenda. Towards the end of ep6, when he sat on the chair facing the mirror. Flashback to when he shot the guy to save YG. Did I imagine it or did it look like Detective Do was hesitant to shoot at that time and he looked concerned that YG can get hurt.

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@titania1000

I love the way Young-Goon's eyes looked when he gaze at Soo-Yeon when she did her forensics thing, he appeared really impressed. Him, her and Jae-Shik are like a comedy trio - whenever they're together they're really funny! Like how Jae-Shik questioned the impersonal way Soo-Yeon saved her "boyfriend" as the caller ID on her phone. Young-Goon answered it's probably she's got too many of 'em ha-ha:w00t: Is he sayin' she's a player LoL?! But Soo-Yeon look like such a Mary Sue character:P

I also like how Young-Goon help pick out her "serious lawyer outfit" :lol::lol:

 

I'm on the fence over Team Leader Mr. Do...he seem to have a lot of skeletons in his closet hmm...he's a tough one to figure out. At least we're clear on Lawyer Han & Officer Young-Goon's motivations. Mr. Do is a mystery..:phew:

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13 hours ago, sheelatpsfm said:

Did I imagine it or did it look like Detective Do was hesitant to shoot

I have the same thought about it. I feel that he is repenting in a way. Do could be a good person, just that he is shrouded with corruption. If he is a bad guy, he wouldn't have ask YG's father about why he would bring his son into it. But that said, I too, agree that he is hiding something. I think it could be related to YG's mother. 

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Edit! Sorry for all the posts i cut because this one was too long!:sweatingbullets: 

On 7/22/2019 at 12:59 PM, larus said:

WOW! Many things happened and there were so many surprising turns and twists .

 

On 7/22/2019 at 7:12 AM, ktcjdrama said:

Things are getting intricate. I love it! 

 

I loved it too! :w00t:

The plot thickens and i think we have now met all the players of the game! 

Let's see now who is good (the anti corruption team) and who is bad (every other cop and criminal on the screen), who lies (the all world), who to trust (DCK and JSY) and who will be revealed as the criminals.

 

On 7/22/2019 at 7:12 AM, ktcjdrama said:

Why was there a gun at the back seat of the car where Oh used to sit? 

 

It seems to be KYG's gun that OSD might have forced him to give up, since he got it back first when OSD left the car.

 

On 7/22/2019 at 7:12 AM, ktcjdrama said:

The part where Jo is digging and found buried bodies can never be done by human hands. Note the straight dug wall. 

  

I think i spot quickly an excavator during the scene at night when the forensics and JSY were still digging.

They used bigger machines than shovels considering the size of the pit.

 

On 7/22/2019 at 7:53 AM, thistle said:

the digging.  There were obviously body parts sticking out of the wall and no one noticed?!  Even when she was standing just inches away, she didn't see?  She only found out when she took a couple of steps back?  Does NOT make sense. 

 

It could be that it was very late at night, the light was enough bright and they were all tired: JSY was on her way to leave and it took her few minutes at watching the wall to understand what she was seeing.

 

On 7/22/2019 at 7:12 AM, ktcjdrama said:

But argh! Has the SK police never been trained to shoot arms or legs to disarm a criminal?? Why one killing shot to the heart?? (side-eyeing Children of Nobody too)

  

On 7/22/2019 at 7:53 AM, thistle said:

Definitely a bit too convenient that the guy got shot and died without revealing the whereabouts of the ledger but I think that there has been a big clue about where it is

 

It was badly executed but for me, this death was necessary to create the conflict between DCK and KYG and push KYG to go behind his back. 

I don't think he believed entirely HTJ's suspicions: he worked enough with the man to get a solid impression of him, and his instinct and his loyalty (since DCK protected him few times) at this point must tell him he can not be guilty.

But he has no evidence of that, and all the reasons now that he's angry against him to trap him and force him to reveal his secrets.

 

On 7/22/2019 at 7:53 AM, thistle said:

n Oh's apartment when everything was all covered with fingerprint dust and completely messy, there was one very obvious item that was clean as a whistle, and it didn't have blood stains from the Luminol spraying either.  When the clean-up team came in, I was literally screaming at the screen:  I know where it is!  You need to get the ledger now or they are gonna throw it away!!!  But, you know what, I also think that the clean up team probably works for the Big Bad Guy and they are there to comb for the ledger one more time.  I wonder if they'll find it?  :P

 

Anyone else thinking the same as me?  The ledger is.....

 

It's a good bet: i checked the scene and indeed it was the only pic of the couple that stayed entirely cleaned and that was hanged, as if the PD wanted to make it more distinct. 

And the camera stayed few seconds longer on this pic too when JSY and KYG discovered the  blood stains on the floor. 

 

On 7/22/2019 at 1:27 PM, sheelatpsfm said:

Now we know why Lawyer Han don't want to tell some things to Detective Do. She herself said that the murder of YG mom and what happened to her was done by the same guy. She said she was re investigating his mom's death as she felt something was wrong. 

 

I'd be so satisfied if the drama confirmed this theory! For me, she's onto something here: her instinct isn't lying.

 But what she was saying too, it's that it was her 1st case and she messed up the investigation. I remember during one of KYG's flashbacks she was the one who asked if his dad did it. She might have influenced at the time his memory, because it seemed a straight case, without being aware of it.

But KYG didn't seem convinced by her speculation.

 

On 7/22/2019 at 1:27 PM, sheelatpsfm said:

But the thing is, I don't get it at Lawyer Han character. She looks like a double person. How do we know she is a good person too? She is asking YG to join her to investigate his mom's death. Did he really saw the murderer? He said he don't remember much. 

 

For me, she's trying mostly to shake things up.

She realized after DCK tried to bait her with JHR to get her help for a case unrelated to her own affair (in ep 5) that he has no intention to help her the way she wanted him to help. 

 

She created the unit because she was fed up to wait and wanted to catch the criminal who tortured her quickly. But he kept solving minor cases and handing them over to his superiors to not bring too much attention.

She deprived DCK of his main aide with KYG (she doesn't take JSY seriously),  and now she can pressure him to make move and to sesarch the real culprit if he doesn't want to be accused. 

 

I don't think she believes he's the culprit: if she had for real those suspicions she wouldn't have created the unit with him. She chose to work with him with a trustful spirit: she picked him because  he is often the most intelligent person in the room (except her) and the more competent to do the job. Just remember how he lead the interrogation of PSY. She thought he's also fiercely honest: that he never took a bribe.

 But when the chaebol told her that DCK was in his father's office: she started to wonder if he's not covering someone. So she has now one more reason to pressure him: to reveal what he's hiding.

 

This is  going to put DCK in a difficult spot: he's too secretive and isolated and that makes him an easy target for everyone to accuse as proved by KJM in the preview for ep 7 (he has already started to accuse him of the murder of his wife maybe sincerely maybe to not go back in jail).

Only JSY is on his side: i noticed she was the only one shocked that HTK put a tracker on his car (though he seemed to have been aware of it) and she's competent which make her situation dangerous.

 

On 7/22/2019 at 1:27 PM, sheelatpsfm said:

Why? Why? Why? Kim Jae Myung wants to come out of parole after 15yrs and keeping quiet for this long years? He didn't bother to contact his son as he said he wanted to protect his son but the way I see it, he purposely contacted his son for a reason. Looks like he was using his son. That's what my mom and me was discussing. And he doesn't look like a nice person

 

For me, he just saw an opportunity with OSD's case and seized it to manipulate everyone and get out. The timing was good because he had a lot of reasons to change his strategy at this point all related to his son and his wife's murder. 

If he was really waiting patiently in jail to protect his son, then he said the truth when he told DCK that hiring  KYG in the anticorruption team made him a target again.

So it didn't make sense for him to stay in jail, especially if he didn't kill his wife and was paying for someone else's crime. He was certainly  eager to catch the real killer and clear his name.

If he's the criminal that everyone think he is, then he has a large field to take revenge on DCK who caught him.

 

On 7/21/2019 at 6:45 PM, tinymel said:

he also thinks that Dad is running a ring of corrupted cops/or similar inside the jail--which I agree with too.

 

I agree totally: he was the head of the corrupted circle 15 years ago and that's because of him that everything happened even if he didn't want or ordered the killings.      

 He had a lot of power inside the jail but maybe not outside which can only make him more ready to take risks, cunning and dangerous.   

  

On 7/21/2019 at 6:45 PM, tinymel said:

We've agreed that there should be no romance; that Jo Soo-yeon might be the mole (who is her boyfriend??? LO wants to know why he isn't "Oppa")

 

A true watcher wouldn't have let go of the fact that DCK was caught using violence on a suspect  with the camera off.  Nothing happened either after the  illegal operation he ordered to catch the chaebol and she was a big part of it. Both would have been enough for a suspension.  

After hearing her sad story about her reasons to quit her forensic job, i think she's being manipulated. 

She lost confidence and was unemployed: an easy target for someone who could have convinced her that she could do a good action by helping to catch a bad cop (DCK).

But i feel that she's developing a strong professional relationship with him: she's doing dutifully all the work he gave to her and she shows loyalty to him.           

I'm really starting to like her a lot so i don't want her to get hurt! 

 

How do i get ride of those long posts? :tears:

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Great episode!

 

So much feel towards the last scene. Especially when KYG was desperate to make JSW confess. Eventhough he know, he will soon be freed because of power & connection. Still he insist & try his best. 

 

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I'm glad KYG choose to team up with HTJ. I think both of them suffered from the same pain at least. And can feel they do trully care about each other. 

 

I don't have much theory to offer, but they do make DCK sounds like so suspicious here. However, DCK also multiple times mentioned that he care about person first. And he does resonate sincere to me. 

 

Ok anyway doesn't matter whos the bad guy here... but KYG need his beauty touch up first :joy:

 

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Finally caught up  with subs.  I think there’s enough theory and speculations here regarding the intentions of our main players but my thoughts at the moment: 

1. Dad did not kill mum. But both TJ and DCK had a hand in putting him in jail for it . So the question we should ask is whether they both framed him for it or they made a mistake. TJ in convincing YG in joining her , said her thumb got cut off when she tried reinvestigating Dad’s case . Assuming she’s telling the truth ( which I think she is ) , she believed dad was the killer then but realised some loopholes later.  So some evidence could have been fabricated. What did DCK hide in the washing machine that day ? 

2. DCK - a lot of breadcrumbs thrown at the viewer  to entice us to think he is mum’s murderer & the thumb cutter .He’s become the real wild card here because he seems to be getting shadier by the episode. But I’ll go out on a limb to say he’s neither . When Park told him about the eco park and mentioned that’s where he got his thumb cut , DCK looked surprised . Then he indirectly told SY to get the forensics to comb the place . He would not have wanted to bring spotlight to the place if he had been there before & cut Park’s thumb. 

3. TJ is not the villain here. She is no saint of course and isn’t here to uphold justice or save anyone, but she makes that clear. She states upfront that she’d do something or not do it only if it is in her favour. But she does not expect a free ride , she’ll return the favour . 

4. YG is the one person I trust completely. The adults ( dad , TJ , DCK )  in this show from 15 years ago messed up his life , be it in the name of protecting him or getting him to believe in a lie . He’s still being “manipulated” so to speak . And I feel his frustration. 

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thanks for all the updates @titania1000 . So happy to see the rise in ratings . I think OCN has over the years churned out some pretty good quality dramas , and I think this drama , fingers crossed is headed that way . I like the direction & the writing . Dad being released on parole will be a game changer.

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4 hours ago, titania1000 said:

It could be that it was very late at night, the light was enough bright and they were all tired: JSY was on her way to leave and it took her few minutes at watching the wall to understand what she was seeing.

 

I can't agree.  No matter what the light was like, the intense odor of a large amount of rotting flesh would have still been a Major Clue.  As I recall, she was at first saying that they had found nothing but she would have had to know there were more dead bodies there.

 

4 hours ago, titania1000 said:

indeed it was the only pic of the couple that stayed entirely cleaned and that was hanged, as if the PD wanted to make it more distinct. 

And the camera stayed few seconds longer on this pic too when JSY and KYG discovered the  blood stains on the floor. 

 

The camera also noticeably stayed a few moments on the wedding picture the first time that SY and KG went to the apartment, and I wondered why.  When the focus was repeated, I thought that there had to be a reason for it.

4 hours ago, titania1000 said:

How do i get ride of those long posts? :tears:

 

:lol:  Same thing happens to me!  The more interesting the drama is, the longer my posts get.

 

1 hour ago, triplem said:

4. YG is the one person I trust completely. 

 

But what about Jae Sik!  ;)  Our bodyguard has been very trustworthy so far, and he notices some clues even faster than the detectives (like that carpet in the Oh's apartment--he knew something was going on with it but he just didn't tell them what he saw; he's very cagey like that).  

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@triplem I know that high ratings aren't always a guarantee a good drama "cough Tvn cough" but in this case  breaking the record would be for once a reflect of the quality of the show. I would have already given Watcher the 7% if it depended on me,  if only for our stellar cast! :mrgreen:

 

On 7/23/2019 at 4:05 PM, thistle said:

I can't agree.  No matter what the light was like, the intense odor of a large amount of rotting flesh would have still been a Major Clue.  As I recall, she was at first saying that they had found nothing but she would have had to know there were more dead bodies there.

 

I avoided  to adress this point because i trusted your experience. Actually i trusted everyone's point. I guess i was just  disappointed that there were so many productions mistakes, I tried to give the crew a way out by pretending that they thought things differently.:(

I'll just say instead that the PD was very tired this week.:sweatingbullets:

 

On 7/23/2019 at 4:05 PM, thistle said:

:lol:  Same thing happens to me!  The more interesting the drama is, the longer my posts get.

 

Too much passion is not good for my brain and my heart! 

I'm an ajhumma at heart trapped in a heatwave: i should learn to rest instead of posting all the time! :bawling:

 

@tinymel  Your family's commentaries were the most funny and insightful! I imagine them making their thoughts out loud while watching live: it must be priceless! :lol:

 

On 7/21/2019 at 6:45 PM, tinymel said:

General consensus is that Seo Kang-joon is too beautiful to be a cop. :wub:

 

I don't drive but i would totally steal a car and try to get a ticket if the cops  where i live looked like him and HSK. :w00t:

They both would be working just to keep me out of the police station!:mrgreen:

 

On 7/21/2019 at 6:45 PM, tinymel said:

Final note from LO. He thinks that since I am older than 'hottie cop' I can't call him that... which is cute. B)

  

 Aww, a jealous husband! Is this why he wanted to watch the drama? To check on your tastes?:lol:

Personally, i think he should be more worried about the hot ajhussi: he looks more like a wife's stealer! :ph34r:

I'm nobody's wife but he can steal me instead :vicx:

 

On 7/22/2019 at 5:57 PM, Latte_Anyday said:

I love the way Young-Goon's eyes looked when he gaze at Soo-Yeon when she did her forensics thing, he appeared really impressed. Him, her and Jae-Shik are like a comedy trio - whenever they're together they're really funny! Like how Jae-Shik questioned the impersonal way Soo-Yeon saved her "boyfriend" as the caller ID on her phone. Young-Goon answered it's probably she's got too many of 'em ha-ha:w00t: Is he sayin' she's a player LoL?! But Soo-Yeon look like such a Mary Sue character:P

I also like how Young-Goon help pick out her "serious lawyer outfit" :lol::lol:

 

Aww i loved everything your wrote! You fangirl on them largely better than me! :lol:  

The way he looked at her was adorable: he kept glancing quickly at her from the side with a very apparent desire to say something to her,  but he needed to brace himself to make this positive comment because they're so not used to be nice to each other!

I cant forget when he was stabbed and she told him it was just a flesh wound! :lol: 

 

The car scene where she freed him from the handcuffs without mocking him or being mean earned her big points! :wub:

Those "let's man up and bet a punch in the face" men became suddenly true gossip girls when they were given the opportunity! :lol:

KYG is totally saying she's a player because look at her: who can resist this cuteness? Not him obviously! 

 

 

It's strange to ship them after joking about their siblings vibe but i blame the writer and the actors chemistry here!

 

 

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3 hours ago, titania1000 said:

I know that high ratings aren't always a guarantee a good drama "cough Tvn cough"

Cough cough Ocn Voice 3 cough cough

 

3 hours ago, titania1000 said:

I tried to give the crew a way out by pretending that they thought things differently.:(

This have to do with the media. It is said that we have to film media on whatever we can see or hear. But nothing was said about smell. But reckon would have been great if they direct the cast to act as if he smell something..but I guess his love is too strong and they decided to just forgo the smell.

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17 hours ago, sushilicious said:

Cough cough Ocn Voice 3 cough cough

 

I was also thinking to this drama but didn't dare to name it to not bring bad memories to you and people who whatched it! :sweatingbullets:

I want to remember only the first season! 

 

Comments are so slow everywhere on the net! I don't know if people are doing something else (enjoying their holidays) or just confused by the twists of the last episode. I saw few viewers comment that they can't follow the characters motivation (it was about HTJ). Hopefully, the writer will fix that on the next episodes!   

 

BTS for episodes 5&6

 

 

So many serious and tense scenes and yet SKJ find a way to make fun of our popular bodyguard!:mrgreen:

It looked very hot in the scenes outside: our cast is hard working   :pensive:

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17 minutes ago, titania1000 said:

So many serious and tense scenes and yet SKj find a way to make fun of our popular bodyguard!:mrgreen:

 

We need to see more of Jae Sik!  :wub:

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1 hour ago, titania1000 said:

Comments are so slow everywhere on the net! I don't know if people are doing something else (enjoying their holidays) or just confused by the twists of the last episode. I saw few viewers comment that they can't follow the characters motivation (it was about HTJ). Hopefully, the writer will fix that on the next episodes!   

 

I think people are confused by the twists in the last episode. I myself am reeling from how good EP06 was haha. I have so much on my mind that I think I'll spread out my thoughts over a few posts :joy:

 

Where did you see that comment about HTJ's motivations? Personally, her motivation right now is quite clear to me: to hunt down the person who did that to her and her husband back then. You can see how desperate she was in getting the name out from the Prosecutor in Ep03-04, and how eager she is to find/follow any lead to get the person. It's just that her methods may be quite haphazard - she just tries to get as much information as she can from everyone who could be related/could know something. I don't blame her though, the whole truth of what happened 15 years ago is really so convoluted and baffling right now haha! (Then again, I better not be so certain about TJ's motivation because knowing this show....there could be a total twist anytime haha :joy:)

 

Motivations-wise, the ones I still can't grasp are Do Chi-kwang and Kim Jae Myung.

 

Chi-kwang: I still don't think he's the final villain/murderer. The show seems to be throwing quite a lot of red herrings. BUT I don't think he is totally clean either, there is still something he's hiding.

Kim Jae-myung: He seems to care about Young-goon, but he seems to have other agendas too in bringing the whole Oh Sang Do case to attention in the first place.

 

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I think a lot of questions rest on this 'Best Investigation Team' back then. Quick summary of these 5 (L-R):

1. Jang Hae-ryong: Still in the police force - Special Crime Team

2. Do Chi-kwang: Still in the police force - Corruption Investigation Team

3. Jang Hyung-koo: Went missing just before his retirement (Chi-kwang said this in Ep05)

4. Kim Jae-myung: Currently in jail for (allegedly) killing his wife

5. Park Si-young: Left the police force to work in Muil's Corporate Relations (to manage the risk of chaebols). Currently on the run from Muil from 'finishing' him up.

 

Chi-kwang's conversations with these people in Ep05-06 are quite interesting as it's making me try to piece together what happened back then but it's hard haha. May compile these in another post!

 

Speaking of comments, there are A LOT at the Watcher korean DC gallery (kind of a forum) - and with it a lot of theories over who's the final villain and more haha which I've been having fun reading :) One main question I've seen too is whether the final villain is among the characters who have appeared so far, or is a character who hasn't appeared yet? Who do y'all think it could be? Interested to know your reasons for thinking so too~

 

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@pyeongsaeng honestly I don't who is the final villain. 

everyone is suspect to me expect jae sik and YG. 

But my question is why did YG mom had to die?

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19 hours ago, pyeongsaeng said:

I think people are confused by the twists in the last episode. I myself am reeling from how good EP06 was haha. I have so much on my mind that I think I'll spread out my thoughts over a few posts :joy:

 

It was so dense and good! The drama is really taking off!B)

I can't wait to read your thoughts! 

 

19 hours ago, pyeongsaeng said:

Where did you see that comment about HTJ's motivations? Personally, her motivation right now is quite clear to me: to hunt down the person who did that to her and her husband back then. You can see how desperate she was in getting the name out from the Prosecutor in Ep03-04, and how eager she is to find/follow any lead to get the person. It's just that her methods may be quite haphazard - she just tries to get as much information as she can from everyone who could be related/could know something. I don't blame her though, the whole truth of what happened 15 years ago is really so convoluted and baffling right now haha! (Then again, I better not be so certain about TJ's motivation because knowing this show....there could be a total twist anytime haha :joy:)

 

It was on twitter.:) People asked for recaps too because they were lost in the plot.

Which i personally understand: those episodes were solliciting all our attention. They were made for rewatch.

 

I think everyone seems to understand her goal: it's pretty clear she wants only to catch the guy who tortured her and killed her husband.

It's the way she uses the team to get there which is confusing: like you said it seems "convoluted" and "haphazard".

She greenlighted the plan to use her office and then stopped brutally the negociation and teamed with the CEO to kill OSD. 

But then it was revealed that it was fake and that she gave the team the tip about the coming attack against OSD. 

Attacked that it was also revealed  that she planned with Young Goon's father to help OSD and got a lever against the CEO.

And there's also the part where she went behind DCK's back and teamed up with KYG to unearth if DCK is a corrupted cop, going as far as accusing him of killing her husband and KYG's mother.:crazy:

DCK didn't lie when he said that she likes to complicate things for nothing!:lol:  

 

The way she goes from trusting to not trusting is really too fast! I wish she could calm down a little bit: KYG said she used to listen before making assumptions. It would have be good if she went to DCK directly to get his explanation on his meeting with of the CEO of Muil.

He's not any cop but the one with who she made this team. He stated clearly that he cares about what she wants, but he's just afraid to lose more people and wants to think the consequences before taking any action.

But obviously the writer used this conflict to create the plot, so i can't really blame her for doing what the plot commands! :P

 

 

19 hours ago, pyeongsaeng said:

Speaking of comments, there are A LOT at the Watcher korean DC gallery (kind of a forum) - and with it a lot of theories over who's the final villain and more haha which I've been having fun reading :)

 

I'm lucky to not understand korean: those forums would finish to ruin my life! 

My obsession with the drama is enough!    

 

Thanks a lot for your list! It's really helpful to keep a clear picture of the people involved! 

 

19 hours ago, pyeongsaeng said:

One main question I've seen too is whether the final villain is among the characters who have appeared so far, or is a character who hasn't appeared yet? Who do y'all think it could be? Interested to know your reasons for thinking so too~

 

You should totally read the last pages before this one: people have started to make fun theories. :) 

 

Mine is  that this week's episodes have finished to introduce  to us all the players of the game with KJM and PSY. For me  the culprit is one of the five you listed, because the corruption case of 15 years ago that DCK was investigating is the heart of the story.

 

I think that KJM was leading his own corruption ring and that he got double crossed when suspicions emerged that he was leaking informations to DCK. 

Either he was DCK's informer (i don't believe it's true based on his cold and estranged interactions with DCK in ep 5 and 6), and his wife was killed as a threat to keep him silent. Then he knows the murderer but didn't reveal the truth to protect his son's life.

Or either he was double crossed by someone very close to him: my theory is that KYG's mother was DCK's informer and was on the phone with him the night she died. She failed to give the evidences needed which prompted DCK to make fake ones (that's why he entered the appartment that night). And she was killed either by her husband or one of his corrupted associates. 

 

I think it's more interesting if after making us doubt KJM's responsability in the murder of his wife, the writer confirmed it in a last bold twist! My intuition tells me after the last episodes that KYG's memory was never in fact fuzzy and what he described was the truth.

It's possible that after the trial of his father and the burial, he let go partially of his memory of the events as a defense mechanism to survive, and that's why he's now confused (and confusing us). He tried to reach his father after the trial and was rejected: he might stll feel  guilty for denoucing him and possibly holding on the wish he made a mistake despite the appearances. 

 

But i admit that there's even more clues in the drama for KJM not being her killer: he showed concern about DCK's sincerity on protecting his son and he seemed himself sincere about it.

 

Which leaves another  major suspect that tried hard to look like a subordinate without agency: PSY.

It can't be a coincidence that he has the same  scar than HTJ. What if he did to her was what was done to him to force him to cooperate at one point but things went out of control with her husband?        

 

19 hours ago, pyeongsaeng said:

Chi-kwang: I still don't think he's the final villain/murderer. The show seems to be throwing quite a lot of red herrings. BUT I don't think he is totally clean either, there is still something he's hiding.

 

Still continuing on my theory: if  KYG's mother died because of his investigation, because he wasn't careful enough, i can imagine the devastation, regrets and guilt  he went through.

That would explain his fear to take more risks  and his obsession to save lives. It could explain why he became too so secretive.  

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22 hours ago, titania1000 said:

Your family's commentaries were the most funny and insightful! I imagine them making their thoughts out loud while watching live: it must be priceless! :lol:

 

Aw... LO is very much "don't talk while I'm watching"... We loved ep 6. Like a lot of you he was confused about the mistake with the bodies... because you would totally see/smell them. LO likes the observation about the picture not being covered in blood.

 

We didn't have a problem with DCK shooting (ooo can't remember his name). I actually wonder if it was the first time DCK killed someone... maybe the first time he shot someone... The way he pointed the gun at himself in the mirror felt very poignant. He also seems like a more hands on kind of guy (I'll beat you up but face to face, man to man.)

 

I'm starting to think that DCK *knows* about the thumb cutting but never knew the full extent of it. I bet things will fall into place for him when he hears the line about humanity. --my other reason for thinking that DCK isn't the Big Bad is because he is too... in your face. I can't see him ever trying to mask his voice or hide his identity.

 

It is making me more convinced that the actual bad guy is Director Park... especially after the conversation with Dad. Mainly because if Dad knows that deputy commissioner Park is the real bad guy then Dad can get away with asking for something *really*, *really* big like parole. Also DC Park has been overlooked for promotion and has to answer to a younger woman (though I don't think her sex matters). I like the idea that DO Park is setting JHR up as the fall guy. 'Yeah! Go investigate him!' Plausible deniability and all that.

SOOOOOOooooOOOO excited for this weekend's episodes. We will be at the halfway point :( but still so much to resolve.

 

(oh, final question from LO, who is sitting next to me, How long have you guys known each other? ... he thinks it is funny with all the interaction that none of us (not 100% sure about this) have ever met in RL... He also says he isn't jealous of 'hottie cop' but Ahjussi is a different story).

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45 minutes ago, tinymel said:

(oh, final question from LO, who is sitting next to me, How long have you guys known each other? ... he thinks it is funny with all the interaction that none of us (not 100% sure about this) have ever met in RL... He also says he isn't jealous of 'hottie cop' but Ahjussi is a different story).

 

 

Tell LO that I, for one, have never met anyone from this thread.  ^_^  I'm just an old hermit from the American South, and I rarely even leave my house (just because I prefer being alone).  The people who know me (there are very, very few who do) would be shocked to know that I watch Asian dramas and post on forums.  :o  And if you met me, you wouldn't believe it either!  :lol: 

 

One of the things I really love about the people who post here is that their views are often so different than mine because their lives and their experiences are obviously very different so I enjoy hearing why people disagree.  I learn so much from everyone, and that makes me really happy.  (So that's me saying thank you to all the posters!)

 

It's really sweet that you have someone to be jealous for you!  LO sounds like "a keeper" (in other words, someone you should never let go of).

 

...........Really enjoying reading everyone's theories about who is the Big Bad and who isn't.  There are several characters I just don't trust, including the high-ranking woman cop (don't know her name).

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