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[Drama 2019] Extraordinary You / Suddenly One Day, 어쩌다 발견한 하루 - 2019 MBC Drama of the Year

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@nrllee Hi there. Not so stranger!:)

What you said reminded me of Shin Saemi again lol! She said she wanted to live in this manhwa when Danoh pointed out that it was a manhwa world they live in.

 

All I wonder now is will they ever pass through that portal thingy. I wonder if a third story will arrive which will be futuristic! lol

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1 hour ago, angelbeast90 said:

But these characters have never seen what the real world is. So they only know only to inhabit that world. How do you know what's outside the universe when actually they even don't know what's  actually inside the universe. So can a self aware character transcend into the mortal world?

It doesn't matter if the manhwa world is real or not. The characters are the ones who turn their world into reality.

 

In this drama it seems that on the one hand the real writer is using Descartes' philosophy: "cogito ergo sum" which means "I think therefore I am". Consciousness is perceived as a way to define the human being. What caught my attention is that HR started in Trumpet Creeper hearing the page turning the moment he started having his own thoughts and feelings. He was starting feeling something for DO and the moment he disagreed with BK's approach, the pages started changing very quickly. So it happened the same way with DO who also felt that she couldn't love BK and saw her one sided crush as ridiculous.

 

On the other hand, the real writer is using Sartre's philosophy as well. A human is defined by his actions. As Sartre put it: "At first the human is nothing. Only afterward (doing things) will he be something, and he himself will have made what he will be." People will judge you based on your actions and not your thoughts and words therefore we have this scene where BK is criticized for his rude behavior. For the first time, BK is confronted with reality: he is a "jerk" not because of the stage... 

With this, the drama writer intends to make the viewers question about the true personality. BK might have his own thoughts now (has gained consciousness) but he hasn't started acting really differently. He is still rude to HR and DO. He still hopes, DO will come back to him as he is the second lead. The more he sees DO and HR repeating the words from the former manhwa, he is more convinced that their words come from the writer. This can lead him to even question their love for each other too. Besides, he gets hurt, when he heard DO saying the exact same thing from Trumpet creeper, the only difference was that back then her words were addressed to him.

He might be conscious of his own world, yet he was still relying on the writer so far: he is a second lead hence he has more rights over DO than HR. How can an extra change the scene? That's why he told DO in the past, he would be able to change the scene.

Furthermore, he met DO earlier and she has been his childhood friend for so long. BK was right to question if his memories were true or fake. However, back then DO had no conscious about herself, hence I am suspecting that his past (including the loss of his mother) shouldn't be perceived as real, rather as a set-up, as long as he and the others were not aware. Yet, when he heard HR saying that he might have known DO much longer than they are aware of, BK was hurt because with this, HR could be seen as someone who has more rights now.  BK saw his childhood memories as a point to say that he had more rights over DO than HR so far.

 

I have the impression that his step-brother is similar to BK in that matter. He doesn't intervene because he relies on the writer. Since he knows that BK is the second lead, his brother advised him to trust the writer.  The stepbrother told BK that the latter will get a happy ending. BK has realized his own feelings for DO, yet he is unable to change his action.

 

Then we have DO who is also questioning BK's actions. He was nice to her for a while: was it real or fake? BK was somehow genuine with her, yet his actions were not selfless and that's the problem in my opinion. Love has to be selfless in my view. BK loves her  because he wants to have someone for himself, he doesn't want to be alone and feel lonely. In other words, his love is not that deep compared to HR's love for DO. 

 

To me, BK has not entirely found himself. The discovery of the other manhwa confused him in my opinion. Was Secret a repetition of Trumpet Creeper or not? In this case are the characters really free? Or are their words the results of the writer?  

 

I would like to point out that in the other story, BK had staged his encounters with DO and had manipulated her and her feelings. So her words were only the results of his manipulative actions. Her love for him was artificial but by using HR, BK didn't realize that his minion had fallen in love with DO for real. So her words (thanking him for making her wish come true) should have been addressed to Haru and not BK back then. So we had a stage in a stage scene meaning that it was fake... And now, it feels like the final scene in the episode 11 is real. 

 

HR is so different from BK as after realizing his true feelings and had his own thoughts, he decided to cut ties with BK. That's why HR is right by telling DO, she was his beginning. In Trumpet Creeper, HR acted as an object always following BK's orders blindly. His love for DO marks the turning point in his life: he becomes a human and strangely, he decides to act on his own, trying to change the scenes... 

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I am having trouble understanding Baek Kyung's character. He is showing care for Dan Oh and on the other hand getting angry at Haru who wants to change the stage to save Dan Oh's life. Is his jealousy more important than the life of the person he likes? He is always talking about how he wants to change the story to make Dan Oh like him but not once he said anything about changing her terminal illness set up. Hey Baek Kyung you know right that a dead person cannot love you. Though from the preview it seemed like he will work together with Haru to change Dan Oh's story. Well better late than never. Still last two episodes was very frustrating to watch.

 

After "Secret" ends can the writer please make DanHaru leads or secondary leads in his/her next work or all future works which is even better. He won't have to worry about his story changing :D We still have 4 episodes left so we might see the surgery next episode and aftermath of the  surgery on episode 14. They will still have two episodes to show everything properly. I don't want our couple to meet in another manwha and just smile at each other. There is no way I'd be satisfied with it and I don't want think anyone else will be too. Greedy viewers B)

 

@nrllee Above all they will have problem with their identity. Nobody will know them. They wouldn't have house and money. Their qualifications will be of no use. They will just be poor and strange people :lol:

 

But wouldn't it be better if self aware characters actually come into the real world. They will no longer be controlled by anyone and can live their life the way they want. Haru-Danoh and Dowha-Jooda can also like each as much as they want :wub:

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the pain in his eyes!!!!  That 3 secs of Flower manhwa Haru crying over Danoh's dead body I CAN'T im not well:tears:

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i think by what haru meant in changing dan ohs stage so she doesnt have to die is by sacrificing himself in place of dan oh, just like what kyung said that every changed stage needs a stand-in who could fill in for the role that is supposed to be played :( but then again in whatever universe they are in the writer keeps killing dan oh, does the writer hate dan oh that much? (also saeguk haru seems to be the one who ends dan ohs life hence why jinmichae says its a tragedy and dan oh is someone he can never protect) 

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23 minutes ago, nimon said:

i think by what haru meant in changing dan ohs stage so she doesnt have to die is by sacrificing himself in place of dan oh, just like what kyung said that every changed stage needs a stand-in who could fill in for the role that is supposed to be played :( but then again in whatever universe they are in the writer keeps killing dan oh, does the writer hate dan oh that much? (also saeguk haru seems to be the one who ends dan ohs life hence why jinmichae says its a tragedy and dan oh is someone he can never protect)

I  think the writer didn't want to kill Dan Oh in Flower. He might have wanted Kyung to use Dan Oh and than gradually fall for Dan Oh type of story. But Haru interfered and that's why the writer had to change the story and kill Dan Oh. Maybe that's why Jinmichae doesn't want to Haru to change anything this time. Like @brielover said it's a school romance manwha and maybe Dan Oh will live in the end.

 

If Haru sacrifices himself to save Dan Oh and then reappears again like last time would he forget Dan Oh again and lose self awareness? Don't want such mess in the end 

 

The drama will surely have happy ending after all it's teen romance drama and they never said it's going to tragic or sad when promoting it. I am still feeling anxious about the ending as Kdramas have a habit of ruining their dramas with terrible ending.

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Actually, I have the impression that as long as JiMinchae and BK don't change anything, there will be a tragedy, as in reality, the tragedy happened because of their indifference or their selfishness. In the last episode, JiMinchae blamed BK for his misery saying that BK had changed something so that he ended up losing everything. And this admission is important as it proves that JMC is more afraid of any change than anything else. He believes that his fate is predetermined and can not be changed. That way, he won't lose anything and won't get hurt. 

 

From the beginning, our cook confided to DO that she wouldn't be able to change anything. In other words, he was pointing out her powerlessness and her inability. He denied that as a character, DO had the strength to change the script. Later, our "cook" advised DO not to change anything which illustrates that he had actually lied to her. He warned her that by changing the stage, she or someone else could end up paying for the change. This new point represents a contradiction to his previous statement.

 

Furthermore, he blamed HR for being responsible for the future misery... Consequently we can observe that JMC is blaming HR and BK for the tragedy and his misery. I don't have the impression that JMC really cares for DO. He knows her fate and accepts it as such because this doesn't concern him at all.

 

I have the impression that JMC might have even switched his place with NMJ in order to escape from his fate. He might have believed that if he was no longer the son of that powerful group, then he wouldn't need to fight and he wouldn't experience any pain and loss. NMJ's mother mentioned the word "secret" to her son twice and this is no coincidence. But the writer let the new student appearing and she is linked to JMC's tragedy in Trumpet Creeper. In other words, even by switching his place, JMC will meet his fated loved one. He can not escape.    

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I like the theories being thrown out here and some philosophy as well. 

 

Putting on the spoiler for the respect who didn't watch the latest episode.

 

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For the first two episode of the week (21-22) Looks like they're giving us fluff since something is coming. As for Do Hwa I agree with some posters here, he's the biggest DanOh-Haru shipper. Dan Oh is still nice to Baek Hyung I think she can be a good friend to him but as a love/partner that won't work. As for Joo Da, looks like she's spunky and tired of all the writer's on what she's doing on stage. 

For the last part of the episode the acting is very top notch from KYH pleasing and enamored look to Rowoon's emotional realization and LJW hearbreak plus loneliness is really top notch. It's also nice to see DSF role in the "trumpet creeper" manhwa. Especially the dynamic between him and BaekKyung. Also Haru is really different in this manhwa as well.

 

For the second episode of the week (23-24) I liked the "Trumpet Creeper" parts. Especially it was revealed that Haru is the one who was aware of himself first. Also the DanOh was aware as herself as well. It's nice to see the parallels between the "Trumpet Creeper" and "Secret" manhwa. As for the stage, the effect I think just reset since it already started. Nice to see the 3 "Extra Musketeers" on action like they have a mission to do. Haru's dedication and love for Dan Oh is really a person who values (DanOh). I do have sympathy for Baek Kyung but it's up to him how would he proceed forward, but the looks of it still not good.  The ending part where they're hugging and saw something (Dan Oh on her death and on Haru side on how Dan Oh's life ended in "Trumpet Creeper"is really emotional and powerful performance for both KYH and Rowoon. 

 

Can't wait for the last 4 episodes.  I would remember this as one of my favorite k-drama for 2019 (with Sky Castle and Hotel De Luna).

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So many great thoughts, theories and discussions. I don't know where to start. :D

 

I think I'll start with Baek Kyung. For me, I can barely relate to him. The cemetry scene was nice, yes, but that doesn't change his character or shows me any character development.

 

As @bebebisous33 pointed out: while Dan Oh took becoming aware as a chance to reflect on who she really is and how different she actually is from her stage character. Thank goodness, she realized how ridiculous a 10-year-one-sided crush is, especially when it's a boy who is only mean to her. Plus she was driven by the wish to change her setup as the terminally ill character. She simply wouldn't just live the same life after finding out that everything is just madeup for her character.

 

Meanwhile for Ha Ru, as he beautifully said, Dan Oh was his beginning. He somewhat ended up in "Secret" as a extra without any setup which can be seen as a curse but also as a blessing because he was able to experience the world without having to be on stage. And this is actually so much better than how he ended up being the 2nd male lead and Kyung's assassin in "Trumpet Creeper" in which he was bascially following Kyung without thinking or questioning. Until the writer decided to have Kyung approach Dan Oh in order to move his political plans; again Dan Oh was the beginning of Ha Ru's awareness. I think in "Secret" though, he somehow ended up there and then he saw Dan Oh and it all went from there, so it's a bit different. And since Ha Ru in "Secret" is different from the Ha Ru in "Trumpet Creeper", only slightly, it didn't matter that the writer took away his memories. In the end, he regained his memories because Dan Oh was always on his mind. And he would not remain loyal in the shadows either.

 

With Kyung, he became aware and I had high hopes for him to show me he can be different in the shadows. But that's not the case. Just because they show a glimpse of regret of what he is saying on stage to Dan Oh, doesn't change the fact that in each and every moment he is either talking to Dan Oh, to Ha Ru or to Jinmichae... he chooses to be a jerk. I think everything is about control. I get that the roots are in his setup with him losing his mother. He believes when things change and Ha Ru becomes more important as an extra than him, he will slowly lose even more. He wants control. Hence why he is telling everyone about their roles in the manhwa. But let's keep in mind, he is just an extra as well. So I always have this big question mark above my head when he tells Ha Ru is just a mere extra. Like Kyung, YOU'RE a mere extra as well. But anyways... I think if he would try to think about who he actually is, maybe the answer would be too horrifying. As long as Kyung can say the setups are who they are then he doesn't have to think about being a jerk, he doesn't have to feel guilty and he doesn't need to change. But instead he keeps talking about how Dan Oh belongs to him (ewwww) and how he wants to change the stage but he doesn't want to change Dan Oh's fate? Like @-Love Blossom- pointed out: does Kyung realize that Dan Oh could die eventually and then he will be left behind? I guess this is why I can't really relate to Kyung - like Lee Jae Wook is doing a brilliant job but Kyung is just NOPE.

 

I just wish Kyung would move on and focus on his task to investigate the "Trumpet Creeper" manhwa. I think this is where I like Kyung the most when he isn't focused on looking at Dan Oh like she is some kind of object.

 

As some of you mentioned in the end this manhwa is a romance novel, so a happy ending should be a sure a thing. But on the other hand when people meddle with the plot so much then it could maybe even end on a different note than what we expect.

 

I think we will get a happy ending though. And now I even understand why Ha Ru got to demonstrate on Sae Mi how he can change the stage by replacing Dan Oh. I think - as some mentioned - it could mean that Ha Ru will replace Dan Oh with someone else. But then again, just because he can replace one person with another doesn't mean he can erase the heart disease. After all it was not like Dan Oh was suddenly healthy. That would be too easy. But in one way or the other a happy ending it will be.

 

I love how Jinmichae keeps dissing the writer. Same goes for E3. It's giving me life. Plus some of the lines in "Trumpet Creeper" are just as cheesy as the ones in "Secret". No matter if the writer is writing it all and the cheesy lines intentionally, it's still cringy. :lol:

 

I guess I need to make a separate post about "Trumpet Creeper"... otherwise this wall of text gets longer.

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At the end of Extraordinary You, I'm hoping someone very skillful can come and edit all Trumpet Creeper scenes together and make a mini movie for us. #wishfullyhoping 

 

I would love to watch all those parts together. 

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Everytime Ha Ru calls Dan Oh "agasshi" I'm dying a small happy death... Plus Ha Ru is like butter melting in the sun and the sun is Dan Oh's smile. I swear... he is just longingly looking at her. Like I want to meet a Ha Ru, pretty please.:wub:

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@stargazer187 

 

Daydream (Junkilla)

 

 

Something about you is different
Found what the others were missing
Can’t believe I waited for this long
To feel something so strong

You got me spinning in circles now
I’m already giving up all my doubts
Cause if this is real then I want more

Your love is like a daydream
You keep me high in your fantasy
Ooh, Wide awake in my sleep
Don’t wake me, don’t wake me up
Your love is like a daydream
Captivating my reality
Oh, Close my eyes seeing things
Don’t wake me, don’t wake me up
Don’t wake me up
Don’t wake me up
Don’t wake me up
Your love is like a daydream

Minutes and hours I’m dreaming
And now I know you’re the reason
Everything hasn’t felt this right
For the longest time

You got me spinning in circles now
I’m already giving up all my doubts
Cause if this is real then I want more

Your love is like a daydream
You keep me high in your fantasy
Ooh, Wide awake in my sleep
Don’t wake me, don’t wake me up
Your love is like a daydream
Captivating my reality
Oh, Close my eyes seeing things
Don’t wake me, don’t wake me up
Don’t wake me up
Don’t wake me up
Don’t wake me up
Your love is like a daydream

 

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Hyeyoon celebrating her birthday on set! 2 more days, 1 more day for S. Korea, November 10!

 

She looks so pretty. Hoping for some Danharu bts. :rolleyes:

 

 

 

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@stargazer187 Even though the book is based on Goryeo it is still written in this time and for this generation so maybe that's why it's so colorful. As for how a real world book can come into the manwha world I don't think they have any intention to solve that mystery :lol:

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@stargazer187 @-Love Blossom-

I think in the end this is still a comic book, so there are fantastical elements even in the Goryeo era. Just like there is always fiction in historical dramas as well. Plus they wanted to make clear that just like "Secret" appeared in the manhwa. So did "Trumpet Creeper" in the respective story. This is still a mystery we need to solve. :D Like is this really a glitch or the intention of the writer?

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I've noticed a couple things while watching and rewatching. First of all:

 

Is nobody suspicious that suddenly a new manhwa appears in the manhwa? The one Do Hwa has been reading. It's called 장미꽃을 그대에게 (A Rose for You). Do Hwa is reading it and is promoting it as something to learn how to flirt from.

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Now of course we could say that even in the world of "Secret" manhwas exist. But I would say if we really believe that things are still controlled by the writer I can't imagine it's a coincidence that Do Hwa aka the drama keeps showing us this specific one. Also, who do we know in this drama aka manhwa who doesn't need any lessons in flirting? Yes, it's Ha Ru. So could it be that:

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Since "Trumpet Creeper" ends on a sad note, so will "Secret" but just like in the webtoon Dan Oh and Ha Ru will meet in another manhwa as the leads (I think in the webtoon they're extras?) and have their happy ending there?

 

Of course:

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It could also hint towards Baek Kyung since he gave roses to Dan Oh. So he may end up in a new manhwa as well and finally get the girl (which hopefully isn't a 2nd  Dan Oh... that would be weird).

 

On the other hand, the manhwa only appeared in the shadows and never on stage. So it might be not relevant at all. And I might be overthinking. :D But "Trumpet Creeper" also only appears in the shadow.

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Why is there so much foreshadowing going on?

 

When Ha Ru woke up from the dream he was in the English lesson and the teacher said following sentence as an example:

 

"When I arrived there, the tragic stage had already finished."

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23 minutes ago, Jillia said:

Why is there so much foreshadowing going on?

 

When Ha Ru woke up from the dream he was in the English lesson and the teacher said following sentence as an example:

 

"When I arrived there, the tragic stage had already finished."

 

@Jillia

Yesss, I immediately thought of their sad scene in "Trumpet Creeper". 

 

My assumptions here, but Haru is staged/ordered? to kill? Dan Oh. And before he can stop himself, the tragic actions of killing Dan Oh had already been done. And it was probably too late when he was able to move to stop himself, hence the cut on his hand. 

 

Although, I want to think of other theories and not poor Haru as the one who killed Dan Oh.  T.T

 

Also thanks for fixing the Instagram Link. Total noob here. Lol

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