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[Drama 2019] Extraordinary You / Suddenly One Day, 어쩌다 발견한 하루 - 2019 MBC Drama of the Year


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Can I just say how I seriously love coming back to this thread?! It's been so long since I've been active in a soompi thread for an on-air show, and you all make it so worth it. 

 

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I'll tackle the webtoon question, but I don't think I can give much of a satisfying answer, hahah. MAJOR spoilers:

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The reason people are saying Kyung isn't Danoh's fiance in the webtoon version of Flower is because, technically, he doesn't even show up in the Joseon-era manhwa snippet that we see. The storyline that the show is giving us right now with Danoh and Haru being star-crossed lovers from a previous manhwa is actually the Squid Fairy's original backstory...or some iteration of it.

 

Squid Fairy is the only character shown in the second season of the manhwa dressed in that particular era's clothing, and his story is all based around how he fell in love with an extra and started a life with her. As the writer gradually expanded his story, though, she gave him a loveline with a princess. (He had started off an assassin who became aware--primarily because the acts he was forced to commit contrasted so starkly with his own beliefs--and the extra was someone who'd found him by the riverside and given him hope that he could be more than what he did.) Neither he nor the extra could make sense of what was going on. They'd make plans to meet, and he simply wouldn't show up for days. Instead, she'd catch glimpses of him with the princess, wearing trinkets she'd given him, engaged in loving moments. Despite the fact that he'd reassure her that he loved her and that only she truly understood him, a rift grew between them.

 

The extra became covetous (rightfully so...) and paranoid. She broke the bracelet that the princess had given him at one point and damn near lost her mind when, in the following day, it was back on his wrist like nothing had happened. Eventually, she disguised herself as an assassin and attacked him while he was still on stage, and he cut her down. To her, it mattered more that they ended their relationship in a space where he still loved her and remembered their time most fondly, rather than to have it all lost to whatever was going on between him and the princess. Later on, he ran into the extra again, but she didn't even react to seeing him. It wasn't until that point in time that he realized he was in a comic, and that once someone "dies," they revert back to a clean slate.

 

It seems to me like the show's director is picking and choosing particular parts from webtoon!Squid Fairy's background to flesh out Haru and Danoh's story in the show, since neither of them actually were in a Flower/Trumpet Creeper manhwa originally. In the ending of the webtoon, Danoh and Haru are actually shown in a new manhwa, a kind of Joseon-style one together--and the logistics of that one's a bit more complicated. Kyung's nowhere to be seen in that snippet, so the assumption is they're happy in this newfound manhwa together. 

 

@ganko I also love that scene so much! I replayed it so many times :lol:Something that I love about this show and that I think they do particularly well are all the subtle moments of character growth. For Haru, in particular, I love that they show how reflective he is. In the scene you shared where he smiles fondly at Danoh and comments on how shy she is (like he knows exactly what the root of it is), I immediately think back to an earlier scene where they'd sat on the bench together, and she'd brushed her hand up against his face and scooted closer. He was the one who had leaned back, awkwardly shrugging distance between his face and her hand, which I think he immediately recognizes in her own reactions to him throughout last episode. I feel like you can even see that lightbulb moment when it all registers, and he's just happy about it all. 

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Hahahaha... these two cuties really. I wonder though why they would try to hide their feelings in front of Do Hwa. He is their biggest shipper. Plus Ha Ru asking Dan Oh if he needs to practice flirtin

It doesn't matter if the manhwa world is real or not. The characters are the ones who turn their world into reality.   In this drama it seems that on the one hand the real writer is using D

I think HR killed DO but it was not deliberate and he grabbed the sword with his left hand to stop it but it was too late. But the scene doesn’t look like a sword fight. It starts off with guards surr

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@Calligrapher AHHH THANK YOU SO MUCH!

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Thanks for confirming my suspicions. Before MBC world edited their spoiler-y character descriptions, I was speculating that webtoon!JMC's story became drama!Haru's. And now that JMC's girl is back into Secret, I wonder how they're going to change his story as well. Now, it seems more plausible that the theory of Haru killing DO in the Flower Stage against his will is what might really happen (and he becomes so heartbroken that he ends up killing himself as well to lose awareness and meet DO in a different universe and timeline where she's alive, just like the manhwa). I don't think it would have been Kyung himself to have created this tragedy (and honestly it will break my heart for Kyung knowing how much he's been through -- LET THE BOY GET HIS REDEMPTION ARC PLEASE), and Secret!Haru doesn't abhor any kind of hate towards him.

 

This is honestly so mind-blowing to me, because adding a role for drama!Haru also meant a place for a potential love triangle in the Stage. So far the stages with all 3 (Kyung, DO, and Haru) haven't implied that Haru will become some kind of second lead, but who knows where the drama is planning to go tbh! It seems they're already going in this direction toward the drama's vers. of Flower, which changes the dynamic on how the "past" Flower applies to Secret. Personally I would prefer that Haru and DO's love in Flower was in the Shadow/while they were aware, so as to go against the normal "reincarnation" route of dramas where history repeats exactly as it did in Flower. But seeing the previews, it seems that they'll go for the latter where Kyung was DO's fiance in both universes, with Haru as the second lead each time, esp. because of that part in the preview mentioning exactly that, and also the fact that the manhwa writer in the drama has been called out multiple times by our characters as unimaginative and had a knack for repeating things. I personally think that the former theory (their romance was when they aware/in the Shadow) would reinforce the theme of waiting and the symbolism of the trumpet flower more than where the drama seems to be going, since Haru will always be the one to become aware first after re-cycling through multiple universes and will always be waiting for DO to return to his side.  

 

AH MY HEART. As much as I'm craving even more episodes to unravel the answers, I'm also wishing it didn't have to end so soon! I'm too invested in this :tears:

 

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@Calligrapher TYSM FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART FOR YOUR DRABBLES. Your content seriously keeps me alive and I coulnd't have asked for a better person to write them ♥!!!

 

 

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7 hours ago, celebrianna said:

However, for me personally, if they kept falling in love across all their manhwa existences, I’m fine with that...like eternal love.


I think this may be where it’s headed.  The 300yo tree, the promise to meet up.  The fact that they forgot about trying to “change” DO’s fate in their hooky date and just enjoyed the moments that they do have together.  It would fit in the rubric that the writer has ultimate say in what happens on the pages of the comic, but instead of trying desperately to change their fates as predetermined by the writer, they can instead opt to love each other regardless of any scenario the writer pens?  They make the most of it whether in stage or shadow.  It means their love will transcend time and circumstance.  So rather than wasting all your emotional energy trying desperately to get what you DON’T HAVE (in DO’s case long life and changing her fate), you could instead use that time cherishing the things you ALREADY DO HAVE (precious time with a loved one - HR).

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@haelan More speculation/webtoon-spoilers:

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Right?! I love all the ideas you've thrown out, and it's so nice to have someone else to gush with over all the possible directions the director might take! I was really surprised when they showed us the preview with JMC's extra since I'd assumed that they were basically going to push most of his background onto Haru. I'm really, really curious about how they're going to weave JMC's loveline with her into the story now, especially knowing that JMC/BK/Haru/DO all had a role to play in TC. I think people are onto something about JMC being a prince/royalty of some sort based on his clothing (with his extra dressed more like a commoner), so now I'm wondering if we're going to get hit with two impossible love stories and how, maybe, in an attempt to partner up to change their fates, they wind up causing the tragedy JMC keeps alluding to. 

 

And re: Kyung. Yes, I'm so, so, so, so ready for them to set his redemption arc in motion. They've really doubled down on his characterization the past few episodes; and while I appreciate how they're showing how much he's struggling with himself, at the same time, I'm ready for him to remember whatever past history he has with the others (because it's undoubtedly going to paint him in a super!antagonistic light) so he can make amends and just do good by the others and for himself. 

 

And I can't agree more about how much more poignant it'd be if DO and Haru's love story happened in the shadow. I know I've tossed out a billion and one theories now about TC, but skadjfl;asf... I love how you spoke about the symbolism of the trumpet creeper and show's theme of waiting. I think I'd be genuinely disappointed if their love story wound up pre-penned by the writer. Maybe it'll play out in a way that's similar to JD/NJ/DH, where JD's real/off-stage interest is in the second lead... but ahh, who knows.

 

(also thank you!! that's so very, very kind of you to say! asjdfl;kdsf at this point, I'm deep into a handful of "what if" brain children haha, but the show and all the conversation here is such great food for thought)

 

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11 minutes ago, Calligrapher said:

Maybe it'll play out in a way that's similar to JD/NJ/DH, where JD's real/off-stage interest is in the second lead... but ahh, who knows.


That seems to be where it’s headed.  Especially since the last ep.  JD has made a stand.  She never did before.  So it’s a significant change.  She told NJ that she’s not his woman anymore.  This implies to me that the whole character set up has changed.  NJ/JD/DH is moving into the minor roles.  BK/DO/HR is moving into the main lead roles.  Question is, is BK still the main lead or is he demoted to second now?  Because the main lead gets the girl.  From the way the drama is unfolding, BK seems to always be “watching” from the sidelines as HR/DO relate to each other.  That seems to imply that BK is the second lead...and HR has stepped into main lead.

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@haelan i'm glad you bring that scene up (SM took DO role on stage). I was about to write my thoughts and confusion on that scene but got difficulty putting them to words that i give up writing about it. Like you i was confused in so many things, like how could they change the stage by simply removing the watch/heart monitor to someone else, if the stage was changed didnt it mean DO didnt have to experience the pain then faint because someone else had taken that role, if DO was just around SM right before that stage started how could she suddenly disappear when the stage began, if she fainted before the stage began why didn't HR immediately took her to the hospital but waited till the stage ended instead. And more importantly what is the importance of this scene to the story?

 

I make my own assumptions here. A character is written with their own setting and traits. That traits won't change even when they are in shadow or gain awareness. So even when DO takes off her watch, her heart has already been damaged over the years in the manhwa so it's natural for her to feel the pain especially when the writer has already written that her heart condition is getting worse. HR managed to bring DO out of the set stage right before the actual stage happened but he couldn't bring her any further because he was also required for the stage and couldn't move when the stage began, hence he needed to wait. But these are all just my assumptions.

 

How removing a prop can lead to stage changes i think it's like this. When the stage is planned by the writer she/he starts drawing it (from what i know drawing a panel in comic requires lots of time and work). While the set, surrounding, props are drawn one by one our E3 or HR try to interfere by taking away the main character of that stage before that character is fully drawn by the writer. This somehow affects the writer. So when all the setting has been completed but the required character is not there it (the manhwa world) naturally takes closest available characters in the finished setting and turn them into the main character of the stage. In this case the beeping watch and the crowd are drawn first, HR noticed it and took DO away. (I feel like a freak blabbering nonsense now :lol:)

 

That means the stage can be changed when these requirements are fulfilled :

1. They know about the stage beforehand. At the beginning it was through DO's vision and the last episode through HR's prediction.

2. They take away the main characters from the stage before it starts

3. Haru

 

I think that this scene solidifies HR's ability to change the stage unlike other characters. Like JMC said changing stage is not something anyone can do. DO tried it at the beginning but it always come back to the way the writer wanted it. Different results obtained when HR is involved. Although at the end of the day things still go to the way the writer wants (NJ confession) but HR does make changes. 

 

This may lead to them trying to change another stage in the future episodes and maybe another unwanted things will happen after they do this.

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4 hours ago, RODIA said:

Hi everyone ,

i will share some gifs from the bTS :P i liked how Dried Squid  encourage him to put more effort into  the kiss , it's a big NO for a dead fish kiss:unamused:

Link to the BTS please....I officially love Lee Tae Ri now

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@haelan @bee_wannabe

I was and still am confused when it comes to that scene as well. Even though I think Ha Ru was using it as a way to either prove his point - that he is able to change scene by removing characters or in this case a prop - or that in the end everything goes back to as it was set up by the writer - watch back on Dan Oh's wrist and the scene goes as planned.

 

But turned out that Ha Ru's theory is true that if he removes Dan Oh from the scene and puts the watch on Sae Mi, Sae Mi becomes the center of the scene and for the planned plot. So I think @bee_wannabe might be correct with the theory that if Ha Ru is taking away the character or a prop important for the scene, he can change it. A comic in the end contains panels and each panel tells a story or introduces the next scene. Like the students gathering and the focus on Dan Oh's watch as soon as the alarm starts. Then the next panel would be Dan Oh collapsing, Kyung appearing and taking her to the infirmary.

 

But since the watch is now worn by Sae Mi the writer is forced to write the scene differently?

 

Yet still Dan Oh collapsed and Ha Ru wasn't able to move until the scene was over because as he said he was required in the scene - and so was Dan Oh. But as soon as the stage ended he was able to carry to the infirmary.

 

I'm still very confused though.

 

As for the pendant:

 

My guess is that Ha Ru took it with him back then? Because he wasn't a extra with setup he wouldn't be put back on stage and would be able to take it. But I think it's definitely something that hasn't been written in (in the drama I mean). But also he disappeared back then, so effectively the pendant would've disappeared as well, right?

 

Ha Ru covering all our confusions:

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@ganko

That SCENE! :wub: Also the way he asked "Where are you going?"...

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I'm still in awe of how well Rowoon is doing his job in this drama and how well he was able to play new Ha Ru compared to old Ha Ru. :D I'm honestly looking forward to see more of him in other dramas. I'm usually very critical when it comes to idol actors but he is doing a good job. I love warm Ha Ru but I have to say cold Ha Ru's smile is hot as well. :wub:

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I'm liking the theorizing.  I'm interested in the beginning episode: it really seemed like Dan Oh was supposed to be the main lead, with all three A3 boys in love with her.  It's possible the writer (as Packman3 theorized) changed tack after starting the manwha and changed the lead to JuDa.  That makes sense to me because what we're watching is a meta-experiment on a meta-experiment.

 

The Stage characters, as I've said before, are very much enacting a marketable kdrama formula, whereas the Shadow characters are more real, honest, flawed.  What we have then is a schizophrenic writer writing to formula but her characters have become real enough to her, particularly the recycled ones, that she imagines what they truly think of the cliched writing and their fates within the story and portrays that in Shadow.

 

So for me the idea that these characters can operate outside the writer's imagination doesn't wash.  The characters can't escape the writer; they can, however, possibly escape the formula if their story is good enough.  And that's what Extraordinary You is - a kdrama escaping the formula by satirizing it, and portraying more realistic characters outside the cliches. (Not that they're that much more realistic, but you know what I mean, I hope).  The book Secret in the story has the staged scenes, but it is not what we're watching; it isn't finished.

 

So if this is the frame of this drama, everything else has to operate within the frame. The conflict is between stage and shadow within the writer's mind, and therefore the ending will be Stage (formulaic: Nam Ju with JuDa, Dan Oh dies), Shadow (the writer breaks free from the formula and goes where her characters take her), or something in between - like the kdrama we are currently watching!

 

 

 

 

 

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@brielover

Definitely a interesting theory.

 

In the beginning I thought as well what if actually anything happening - even in the shadows - is part of the writers storyboard? Who tells us that Dan Oh and Ha Ru aren't actually the main couple in this manhwa and the reader (like we as the viewers of the drama) slowly finds out about it?

 

What if the secret in this manhwa is actually the shadow part of the comic - that characters exist and act outside the stage and fall in love? I mean there is no real indicator for that but at the same time there is nothing speaking against my theory. Because nobody, not even Jinmichae, completely understand how this world works.

 

In the end that would of course be a bit unfair because that would mean that the characters, no matter what, have no control as they believe they have. Just like Jinmichae said: that anything is already drawn. And it would go up against what the drama is trying to convey that even if you think you're fake you still can have a life and personality and dislikes.

 

It's definitely going to be interesting how the drama will resolve all this in the last 6 episodes. Because I hope they do it in a way it makes sense and it just leaves Extraordinary You as probably one of the best highschool fantasy romances. :D

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