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[Drama 2019] Extraordinary You / Suddenly One Day, 어쩌다 발견한 하루 - 2019 MBC Drama of the Year

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55 minutes ago, Jillia said:

Eeeek... I'm watching the episode right now and I'm crying a little because Dan Oh is so afraid that Ha Ru might disappear again and lose his memory again.38.gif

It’s a valid fear especially since they don’t know for sure why he disappeared in the first place. Jinmichae implied that it’s her actions to change the storyline that caused Haru to disappear but then he reappeared again and eventually remembered her. So she must be wondering what can they do and what can’t they do to prevent a repeat of Haru’s disappearance. Maybe the answer is not to meddle with the official storyline but that also means she cannot change her fate. Actually, I don’t see how anyone but the writer can change her fate. That’s why the webtoon ending that I read about makes sense to me. It was sort of a compromise 

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with Haru being there to smile for her as she passed away. Then she gets her new story and happy ending with Haru in a new manhwa story.

 

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OK, may I say that episode 17 was the most amazing episode.  All those swoon worthy moments between DO & HR were worth all the angst and pain in episodes 15 & 16.  They are adorable together.  Not that they weren't before but it is definitely different.  They are both aware of their attraction for each other now and not fighting it one bit.  :love:

 

Dan-Oh in particular is being very touchy feely with Ha-Ru.  Sometimes their faces are so close together that they should have just gone ahead and kissed.  :kiss_wink:

 

Ok, off to view episode 18.

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Why does it feel like...they have shared same fate before trumpet creeper also:crazy: I am confused like hell after watching ep 18

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4 minutes ago, elsanna said:

Why does it feel like...they have shared same fate before trumpet creeper also:crazy: I am confused like hell after watching ep 18

 

@elsanna I am getting a similar vibe.  It is almost as though the writer has recycled the comic multiple times.  I wonder if the issue is that some characters become self aware in everyone of the comics and mess with the final outcome of the stage and then the writer writes the same comic with some slight variations in order to appease the self aware characters and reach the ending the writer wants.  This is definitely different than your typical school drama and it is probably why I am enjoying to so much. 

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Btw suddenly the cutie dohwa became cool and more handsome in my eyes when he stopped trying to confess to juda or change his fate...he is such a good friend for juda and namjoo...but i feel that conscious juda actually will fall for dohwa..and i find that too cute...

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@larrysouth An idea I've been playing with after watching the latest episode goes back to observations a few people had made before (and, in fact, that Kyung made when he first became aware--and Dohwa in passing to Danoh, too). They spoke about how most characters still possessed their key traits from onstage even in the shadow. For Dohwa, it was being enamored with Ju Da and wanting to act as her protector, and wondering, partly in jest, why it wasn't the case for Danoh when it came to her and Kyung. Even Kyung had wondered why Danoh seemed to possess such vastly different feelings for him on and off-stage, going as far as to ask her how much of what had transpired between them was "really her" (which I assumed to mean that, despite the fact that his lines and actions were planned, how he behaved still felt real to him).

 

Since we already know that the author recycles her characters (and that she does this most often for characters she's most fond of, going by what our Squid chef says), I think it stands to reason that maybe the disconnect that we've (and they've) noticed might stem from the fact that Danoh's character might have undergone changes from her first iteration in the Trumpet Creeper manhwa to the current version of her character that we see in the Secret manhwa. 

 

What are these changes? I'm going to put my tinfoil hat on for a moment, so bear with me! :lol:

 

So things we know:

  • Both Danoh and Haru are repeating lines they've said onstage in Trumpet Creeper while in the shadow of Secret (e.g., for Danoh,
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    the line about never feeling the way she's felt before in the latest episode

    , and for Haru, the line about wanting to change his own fate)
  • Danoh is also repeating lines that she's said onstage in Trumpet Creeper while onstage in Secret (e.g., the "I could be married now" line).
  • Both Danoh and Haru are re-enacting (somewhat unwittingly) events that have occurred in Trumpet Creeper while in the shadow of Secret (e.g., Danoh falling onto him, him catching her, the water splashing, playing in the water, etc.) 

We already know based on the latest episode that

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Haru is clearly Kyung's right hand man/servant/guard/personal warrior/etc, who the latter is reluctant to let go and goes on to accuse the former of liking Danoh

, so we already have some kind of established dynamic between him, Kyung, and Danoh in Trumpet Creeper. 

 

If Trumpet Creeper is where Danoh, Kyung, and Haru were first conceptualized, then I think that it's possible that how they behave in Secret in the shadow are the remnants of their old characters. Both Haru and Danoh visibly resist their new characterization in Secret (with Danoh finding her pining after Kyung to be a shame, and with Haru undergoing all the subconscious work to find his way back to Danoh, a character he's not even meant to interact with). There aren't as many changes to Kyung (possibly) because his characterization isn't very different from one manhwa to the next. 

 

I think that what these romantic snapshots of Danoh and Haru in Goryeo are showing the viewer is that maybe the onstage loveline in Trumpet Creeper is between Haru and Danoh. We don't know who Danoh's referring to when she says she "could marry him the next day" in the comic snapshot. We assumed that she was talking about Trumpet Creeper!Kyung because that's what she said to him onstage in Secret. But what if she was talking about Trumpet Creeper!Haru? We've seen a lot of evidence of Danoh and Haru interacting in Trumpet Creeper now through Haru's memories--what if those memories aren't from the shadow of Trumpet Creeper, but from their onstage interactions? 

 

In which case... maybe the disconnect that Danoh's feeling from this storyline in Secret (the fact that she doesn't actually like Kyung as one example among many) is because, at the core of her character, who she is, is rooted in her prior characterization. I think this might explain, in part, why she's saying things she'd said before to Haru and why she's behaving in ways that are reminiscent of events that have already happened in their past manhwa. So maybe Trumpet Creeper ended in a tragedy with Danoh dying/being separated from Haru, and that lasting regret between the two of them followed them into Secret. We know, at least, that it's definitely followed Haru. 

 

(And wouldn't this make that scene with her father in the hospital especially poignant, the fact that in this life and in all others, she wishes to be his daughter? Ugh!) 

 

Mostly conjecture though. :)

 

...Also, can we talk about that majestic half-cape that Haru's sporting in the last few seconds of the episode? Mm

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What a bad writer / creator...

same faces - okay I can live with that. I knew it from a few Mangas I read - there is extremly this one writer I really like her stories but for some reason her leads looks always the same - and a few other people too.

But same names? Hello - be creative writer...

same lines....  I am lost now...

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23 minutes ago, Mau_Cherry said:

 

What a bad writer / creator...

same faces - okay I can live with that. I knew it from a few Mangas I read - there is extremly this one writer I really like her stories but for some reason her leads looks always the same - and a few other people too.

But same names? Hello - be creative writer...

same lines....  I am lost now...

I think that is the recurring punch line that some characters who can be much more that what they are forced to be are limited by an unimaginative, bad writer. Dan Oh, Haru, Do Hwa, Ju Da, Sae Mi...all of them have uniqueness to them that the writer won't flourish or explore....be it in a good way or bad way....only Kyung seems to have a one track thought process which is being a boiling pot of anger and destruction....I am guessing that was part of his initial characterization hence he can't break free even in Shadow....Dan Oh, Haru are also retaining their characteristics from original Manhwa....Mi Chae has been in maximum Manhwa's hence he knows it and wishes to forget it all so that he does not have to witness the same tragedy being repeated again and again. Its very meta....I mean aren't most romance shows like that in reality....recycling the same setup simply because audiences lap it up.

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@Calligrapher I like how you are thinking.  The only thing I might add is that maybe Trumpet Keeper is not their first Manhwa together.  Perhaps this is their 4th or even 5th iteration of their characters.  If that so, it speaks to some degree about the eternity of love and how despite the many changes that are thrown at us, love is the one constant that never changes.  I think Ha-Ru expressed it best when Dan-Oh was lamenting how his saving her life in the pool led to his oblivion.  His response was that even if it meant losing himself thousands or hundreds of times, he would do it again.  Maybe he was not just speaking figuratively.  Maybe he has been cast into oblivion many times but his love for Dan-Oh keeps bringing him back.  I must be getting tired if I just wrote something this cheesy.  :sleeping:

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It’s all true! Look at the angle at which he is clutching the blade - it’s Haru’s right hand that’s holding the sword while he is desperately trying to stop it. And that look of absolute agony and utter despair on his face! He feels pain, terrible pain. Once he learns the full truth about what really happened it’s going to tear him apart!

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BUT A FACT: We know that when people appear on the stage they can’t move even an inch but HARU ACTUALLY MANAGED TO GET FREE AND RESIST THE WRITER FOR A TIME BY POWER OF SHEER WILL AND HIS LOVE FOR DAN OH! That’s extra AF and damn epic! He might get to see the scar as something that marks him as a terrible person but it’s a proof of his defiance in the face of fate even if he ended up defeated.

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@Calligrapher i like and have similar thought too!.

 

Poor baek kyung, he destined to never get the girl's heartin the past or the present

 

Based on the preview, it seems that the three of them are close in sageuk manhwa. There are pic of three of them.

 

Cant wait for today episode.

 

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I agree with @Calligrapher and I believe we will get the confirmation today. :) That the loveline between Dan Oh and Ha Ru in "Trumpet Creeper" did happen onstage. The last scene could be in an indicator for that. But also apparently Kyung will find snippets of the manhwa today and there we have the character descriptions, just like the ones in "Secret" and those show Dan Oh, Kyung and Ha Ru as the main leads. 

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And I think someone mentioned it already but Jinmichae looks almost like a king or at least a man of higher status than maybe even sageuk!Kyung.

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Instead of talking about HaruxDanoh like I always do (y'all already doing a great job with your posts)

I'll just drop quickly to confess that I love I love I love DoHwa beyond words.

The guy is so precious I want to cry! Also he thicc *chefskiss*

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