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[Drama 2019] Extraordinary You / Suddenly One Day, 어쩌다 발견한 하루 - 2019 MBC Drama of the Year

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47 minutes ago, nrllee said:

DO died in the shadow (that’s why the weird backwards timer).  And as Squid said, if a character dies in the shadow, they get rebooted in the stage (but their memories are wiped clean).  If you die on the stage, that’s it for you...end of story.  In the stage she is completely better (that’s what the comic Secret said).  No more heart problems. That’s how it played out in the comic so far.  So she’s back on track now to be BK’s fiancé and marry him some time later.  The proposal scene which was supposed to happen before happened in the park instead for BK and DO.  Everything is still going as planned by the writer.  

 

BK didn’t kill her.  He removed her O2 mask but he put it back on (when HR ran in, the mask was back on her).  She flatlined then.

 

I don’t think BK killed Squid’s lover in TF.  It doesn’t make sense for him to.  He wanted the throne.  If Squid was going to abdicate with his lover, all the better for BK.  Why force him to stay put as Crown Prince?  I think DaeBi (NJ’s mother) was the one who ordered the assassination both times...shadow and stage.


As an aside, Squid’s lover (the new girl) was reading a book with a pink cover at the lockers...it looks like it’s TF :lol:

 

 

I thought BK put the mask back on so no one would suspect him of killing DO if someone comes into the room...? Lol that’s how I understood it. 

 

By the time DO had the mask again, it was already too late for her to recover from the loss of oxygen when the mask was removed. Hence, she flatlined??? Wild guess :sweatingbullets:

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I have no idea what to write after catching up on the episodes. Talk about mixing the themes of fate, awareness, destiny (or in this case the writer's will), and some seriously major angst into one package.

 

I didn't ever think that HR actually killed DO in Trumpet Creeper, but I had thought that he had failed to protect her in some way causing her to die. And, I guess that's kind of what happened.

 

But, BK

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I was shocked to realize that BK, in a fit of spite, had actually killed DO, using HR's hand and sword.

 

Plus, BK removed DO's oxygen mask in the shadow area of Secret? Wow, BK is a total narcissistic bad guy.

 

I have to mention that I think the reason I'm so conflicted on BK may actually be that I like the actor Lee Jae Wook who portrays BK. I even went and watched a few episodes of LJW romancing Lee Da Hae in Search: WWW to get over how he makes me feel in this drama. :D

 

The last scene was so sad.

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As HR watches DO walk by him without any awareness in her eyes, I felt so much pain for HR and for DO. I'm also wondering how DO will regain her memories. I assume that she will, and soon.

 

Interesting that sageuk BK was so evil that he killed JMC's woman twice there! I guess the Secret BK is not as evil as the Trumpet Creeper BK at least?

 

The most interesting point to puzzle over, however, is what did the writer really write and how much awareness do the characters really have at any point? I mean, the writer could have written the Shadow world as well as the stage world after all, but the characters themselves may not know.

 

I also keep wondering if the writer has written himself/herself into his/her own manhwa?

 

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42 minutes ago, dairymilks said:

 

I thought BK put the mask back on so no one would suspect him of killing DO if someone comes into the room...? Lol that’s how I understood it. 

 

By the time DO had the mask again, it was already too late for her to recover from the loss of oxygen when the mask was removed. Hence, she flatlined??? Wild guess :sweatingbullets:


Nah she was stable when HR came into the room.  He was talking to her (she was stable) for quite a bit before the alarms started to ring so it’s debatable if BK killed her.  That wasn’t my line of thinking.  BK thought to do it...but in the last scene before he walks out into the hospital corridor his hand moves to put the mask back on.  He couldn’t go through with it.  And even during that whole time when her mask was off, none of the alarms went off so she was still “stable”.  
 

As for whether BK killed her in the shadow when she was running away with HR in the forest?  It looked like he was hunting them down...he was following them and he drew his sword.  But the next stage scene we see DO running from guards and then the courtyard scene.  Here’s the thing, she’s still aware in that stage scene.  She’s wondering where is HR? He needs to save me!  This means BK didn’t kill her in the shadow (when they were running in the forest).  Had he killed her, she would’ve had her memories wiped in the stage scene in the courtyard (like Squid’s lover after she was killed in the forest and she couldn’t remember him anymore in the stage/shadow).  
 

I get the feeling BK is not the selfish man he’s being sold to us.  This episode has given me hope - thanks to LJW’s acting. This could be the Secret. 
 

The courtyard scene. This is interesting. Just because of how it played out. DO is apprehended. BK’s father orders her to be killed (NOT BK). The Guards move in to obey, HR comes out to her defence. BK then appears and yells, “stop”. Why do that? Why not just let the Guards kill them both? Is HR’s life so important to him that he would want him back by his side? He orders HR to kill DO (he refused by the way) and it was BK who pushed the sword into DO as HR held it. Again curse you LJW, was that a hint of remorse/hurt I see in your eye at the end of that scene as you removed your hand off the hilt? Did she die? Or was she just stabbed and would recover later? Was BK actually “aware” in TF? Did he yell “stop” and this was his rather convoluted way to get the pair of them out of “danger” and let them move on to a happy ever after? Or maybe he was this sadistic narcissistic self through and through? 


Who killed Squid’s lover? On first watch it looked like BK…but both instances, it was an assassin who did it… first in the forest, and then in the Stage. In one scene, BK walks in on Squid embracing his lover (who can’t remember him). He tells Squid not to leave his throne. Next scene is when Squid walks into a room and finds that she’s already dead, the assassin stands with bleeding sword over her motionless body. BK walks in only after. The assassin bows and walks out. BK then says, “You should feel the pain of losing your beloved. You’re next”. I am not convinced BK ordered the killing. Why would he? He’s better off with Squid out of the picture? He wants the throne. He’s better off if Squid runs away with his lover? Who would kill Squid’s lover then? It would be DaeBi. She doesn’t want him to abdicate. Killing off his lover and reason for leaving would ensure he stays in his place.

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47 minutes ago, nrllee said:


Nah she was stable when HR came into the room.  He was talking to her (she was stable) for quite a bit before the alarms started to ring so it’s debatable if BK killed her.  That wasn’t my line of thinking.  BK thought to do it...but in the last scene before he walks out into the hospital corridor his hand moves to put the mask back on.  He couldn’t go through with it.  And even during that whole time when her mask was off, none of the alarms went off so she was still “stable”.  
 

As for whether BK killed her in the shadow when she was running away with HR in the forest?  It looked like he was hunting them down...he was following them and he drew his sword.  But the next stage scene we see DO running from guards and then the courtyard scene.  Here’s the thing, she’s still aware in that stage scene.  She’s wondering where is HR? He needs to save me!  This means BK didn’t kill her in the shadow (when they were running in the forest).  Had he killed her, she would’ve had her memories wiped in the stage scene in the courtyard (like Squid’s lover after she was killed in the forest and she couldn’t remember him anymore in the stage/shadow).  
 

I get the feeling BK is not the selfish man he’s being sold to us.  This episode has given me hope - thanks to LJW’s acting. This could be the Secret. 
 

The courtyard scene. This is interesting. Just because of how it played out. DO is apprehended. BK’s father orders her to be killed (NOT BK). The Guards move in to obey, HR comes out to her defence. BK then appears and yells, “stop”. Why do that? Why not just let the Guards kill them both? Is HR’s life so important to him that he would want him back by his side? He orders HR to kill DO (he refused by the way) and it was BK who pushed the sword into DO as HR held it. Again curse you LJW, was that a hint of remorse/hurt I see in your eye at the end of that scene as you removed your hand off the hilt? Did she die? Or was she just stabbed and would recover later? Was BK actually “aware” in TF? Did he yell “stop” and this was his rather convoluted way to get the pair of them out of “danger” and let them move on to a happy ever after? Or maybe he was this sadistic narcissistic self through and through? 


Who killed Squid’s lover? On first watch it looked like BK…but both instances, it was an assassin who did it… first in the forest, and then in the Stage. In one scene, BK walks in on Squid embracing his lover (who can’t remember him). He tells Squid not to leave his throne. Next scene is when Squid walks into a room and finds that she’s already dead, the assassin stands with bleeding sword over her motionless body. BK walks in only after. The assassin bows and walks out. BK then says, “You should feel the pain of losing your beloved. You’re next”. I am not convinced BK ordered the killing. Why would he? He’s better off with Squid out of the picture? He wants the throne. He’s better off if Squid runs away with his lover? Who would kill Squid’s lover then? It would be DaeBi. She doesn’t want him to abdicate. Killing off his lover and reason for leaving would ensure he stays in his place.

 

It was only a few minutes before HR came in after BK took it off and put it back. How do oxygen masks work? Does the person die immediately after you take them off or...? 

 

IIRC, BK was never able to catch up to them when he was chasing them in the forest. While DO and HR were running, the flip sound happened and HR was alone and cornered by the guards. 

 

This is just me, but even though we can see through a person’s eyes and try to go deep into the character’s life, I will still take BK’s actions for what they are. He’s a man afraid of losing and he had such a sad & empty life; an indifferent family, a cruel father, & a woman who doesn’t love him back. If the manhwa stays put and HR won’t intervene, maybe BK hopes that he can have a happy life with DO. He will do what he can to remain hopeful, even at the cost of DO’s life. 

 

Of all the romcom dramas I’ve seen, BK has probably been the most cruel antagonist I’ve witnessed. For a romcom/fantasy, he takes such drastic measures to get the girl.

 

We don’t know yet who ordered SH’s killing, it indeed could be the Queen Mother, because we haven’t seen BK plotting the murder. I’m actually curious how they will explain everything next week. 

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In my opinion BK has been the epitome of selfish even without adding murder into the mix. Even if he didn’t kill Danoh in either manhwa stories, all his actions up until now has been self-centered. There’s no way he’s been faking it unless somebody jumps out and say, “Surprise! You’re on Candid Camera”.
 

@stroppyse, I often wonder if LJW got the role of BK because of his character in the soap opera drama in Search:WWW that the female lead who was his love interest used to watch like a drug. :lol:

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On another note though: how NICE that Jinmichae refuses to help Dan Oh to change her fate but then starts walking around, telling Kyung how people can die in the shadows?!

 

As for Kyung: I know in other dramas character tend to make a complete turnaround in order to receive some sort of redemption. I think it doesn't matter a great deal whether he killed Dan Oh or not. The only thing that matters is that he saw his mother dying, he told Dan Oh she is now the last thing in this world that isn't fake (make of it what you like), finds out about him killing Dan Oh in "Trumpet Creeper" and the conclusion is that he even considers and tries killing Dan Oh in "Secret" as well? He is just a messed up character.

 

We didn't see him afterwards... but I have a feeling we will get to see his emotional state next week. If he keeps walking around talking about how everyone is a mere extra, especially Ha Ru, and how Dan Oh is his property I'm gonna slap him so hard he finds himself in "Trumpet Creeper" again.

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I hope this drama ends with no redemption for Kyung. That way the audience will be talking of the drama for days!!! Anyways his expression was on point when his hand reached for the sword. The reluctant villain of the story is Kyung while the mastermind is the writer~ who is the real big bad boss!!!

 

 

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Honestly it doesnt matter whether baekyung put Dan Oh mask back or not, but it's a fact that he tried to kill Dan Oh dan removed her oxygen mask, I dont think we should excuse his action again 'But but he put it back again!!! He didnt kill her!!' I mean Dan Oh is in critical condition for god sake, the fact he dare to remove her oxygen mask and try to take her life for nothing but himself says a lot about him. I dont know why people still excuse his action again this time.

 

I dont know, this is the first time that I see a lot of people take more sympaty to evil villain like baekyung while our leads are suffering and crying non stop, a lot of people excuses baekyung action more than our lead. .The villain tried to kill the female lead, yet some people still try to excuse his action. .I saw a lot in my SNS. I guess one of the reasons because lee jae wook is more popular than rowoon and hyeyoon? But thats outside of drama, shouldnt bring that to the drama character. Well I hope in the next drama he shouldnt play another villain again because I'm sorry, looks like some fans cant take it positively. Sorry for a little bit rant

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34 minutes ago, baby.hae said:

Honestly it doesnt matter whether baekyung put Dan Oh mask back or not, but it's a fact that he tried to kill Dan Oh dan removed her oxygen mask, I dont think we should excuse his action again 'But but he put it back again!!! He didnt kill her!!' I mean Dan Oh is in critical condition for god sake, the fact he dare to remove her oxygen mask and try to take her life for nothing but himself says a lot about him. I dont know why people still excuse his action again this time.


There’s a difference between excusing someone’s action and understanding someone’s action.  They are not one and the same.  I can understand why someone would kill someone else, but I don’t excuse it?  Subtle difference but a difference all the same.  So whilst I may “understand” why he would do it, I do not excuse his action for having done it.  The facts are there.  And according to the facts presented to us, he removed her mask, then he put it back on.  During that timeframe, the monitor alarms did not go off, so she didn’t die in that duration.  In a court, it would be argued that she didn’t die...no direct cause and effect. Purely factual.  If you want to really argue the cause of her death it would be HR’s interference with the surgery she required.  Yes there was no intent to “kill her”, but the facts remain that she died because she wasn’t given the proper treatment because he swapped the files.

 

As for when she died, you need to rewatch that scene.  Just before the next stage scene (when she has her mask on) and after the monitors go off and HR prays... there’s a distinct flatlining sound in the background before the “click” of a comic page.  So she dies then with HR in attendance.  And that would explain why she forgets him on stage (and the shadow as well) because she’s rebooted.

 

As for sympathy for BK.  I put it purely down to LJW’s acting.  I don’t think it can just be fan girls taking his side.  He has added his own spin on BK’s character to make him less heinous.  He should get awards for doing so.  But that aside, BK as a character has a long way to go when it comes to redemption.  Personally for me, he has begun the journey, he seemed a lot softer towards DanOh this episode (no wrist grabbing).  Redemption is about where you have come from, not where you ideally should be.  It’s a process.  And no, I don’t think he deserves DO.  HR is still the better man for her.  But BK is the more interesting character to analyse.  He’s so conflicted.  So I approach him in a purely academic sense to understand why he behaves the way he does.  HR and DO in contrast are straightforward characters. 

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@nrllee

 

About baekyung removing her mask, it's true that dan oh might not instantly death because of it, but honestly, she is in serious condition and her life depend on the help of the oxygen mask, if we try to put the real life situation here, it's normal to assume that she might death because he removing the oxygen mask, eventhough the effect might occurred later not instantly death, but in her state it's not okay to removing it at all. It's still inhumane to do something like that I dont understand his action at all

 

As for the actor, because I'm completely neutral here (I didnt know any of extraordinary actors before watching at all), lee jae wook is good but I dont think he add more than the character has written for him to make him less evil instead I feel like he appear to be more unbearable and harsh but it could be because the writer written his character that way, a lot of people said his character is less evil in manhwa, but of course thats just my opinion. As for Baekyung he is just a self centered guy to me, immature and egoistic. I dont think he is more interesting than other characters

 

Okay I dont want to argue again, we just have different opinion thats all

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Pain of every single character going through here is portrayed so well.
when BK and Haru both crying :tears: that was so hard for me to watch and I remember the day we met OST playing in the end  aww my heart :tears:

Haru misunderstanding and his guilty feel stops himself from approaching DanOh. Dan Oh wants to be with Haru even after knowing what will happen to her. BK keep getting hurt in stage and the moment he realized it’s him not Haru.:tears::tears:
Ju Da knew she can’t be with Do Hwa even if she wants to and Do Hwa can’t do nothing for her when he wants to stay by her side in hard times. I can't believe we have to go through the whole someone-who's-Haru-but-isnt-Haru ordeal again but with Danoh instead....

Me to writer Can it get get any sadder?

Writer Yes it can....

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Yes it was from today. Maybe they finish filming soon, we don't know. But I hope so because I think they will need some time to edit those last episodes properly. :D

 

 

I see that the whole issue surrounding Kyung leads to many discussions and different opinions which is great to be honest. I don't like Kyung but I definitely think it's important to discuss him as a character.

 

However I think there is a huge misconception in what makes a character interesting and it's not just an issue with Korean dramas but in many movies, tv shows and books. I find it weird to say that a character who is abused and a abuser is more complex than a character who was actually a extra without any setup nor personality or another extra who suffers from a heart disease and therefore having very different yet important problems and feelings to deal with.

 

It's like saying a female character is only interesting and strong when she is voicing her opinons strongly and goes against men taking over her life. That's 70s feminism right there. A woman can be strong even when she takes little actions, a woman can be interesting even if she is a housewife. A woman can be interesting even when she is laughing while suffering through immense pain due to her illness. You can always discuss why she is smiling instead of crying all the time. Just like you can ask why a man who is abused by his father would do the same to woman he allegedly loves in order to "protect" his own feelings. Or why another man who has no need to bind himself to an ill woman would do anything to save her, even when it means he is making mistakes.

 

Everyone can decide who is interesting to discuss but to say that Kyung is the most interesting character is simply wrong. You can write a lot about Joo Da actually as well. And she is - despite her status as a main lead in the manhwa - considered a extra in this drama. 

 

I personally think that Kyung's arguments for why Ha Ru shouldn't change the plot are still selfish. Also, how would he know the surgery would've helped Dan Oh? We don't know that. We just know that Dan Oh saw herself dying during the surgery. So I was wondering whether Kyung simply makes things up in order to make Ha Ru feel worse (or did I miss he got some secret information the surgery would've saved her life?). I'm not saying he is wrong but I think his arguments to support it are without roots. He simply doesn't know what's going to happen, He just hopes that the surgery will help Dan Oh, so she can stay by his side because she exists only for him. On the other hand, I think Ha Ru himself needs to rethink more than once before he takes actions. His motives are certainly noble: he wants Dan Oh to live but he needs to ask himself whether what Jinmichae told him is true.

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39 minutes ago, baby.hae said:

It's still inhumane to do something like that I still dont understand his action at all


Yes it’s inhumane and wrong but that’s what’s fascinating about it. :lol:  Yes I am strange like that.  I like to analyze what would possess someone to do what he did.  Like why do serial killers kill?  And I do have a theory inside my head as to why he would do what he did, but I won’t share it here since it’s clear most prefer not to hear it.  Sorry if I offended you.  I just like to psychoanalyse complex characters.  BK is complex.  HR is very straightforward.  I will move on now.

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is it just me or the latest episodes (13&14) kinda felt a little off?? SHDHD idk i just have this kind of feeling that it wasnt as satisfying as the past episodes but thats completely fine

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15 hours ago, stargazer187 said:

Seriously, what should I do with my swollen eyes now! My stages will begin in an hour. Sighh.... why they make me cry so much!!! 

 

So the writer switched DO's healthy shadow to stage. What was that??? Does what JMC said truly happen??? What happens before the next scenes changed to amnesiac DO??? Did she die on the shadow or what?? Writer don't tell me you'd take her self-awareness this time?? 

 

If the Trumpet Creeper supposed to be a tragic ending like that, this secret world should be their chances to live a happier one writer! 

 

Two eps left for next week. Sighh.. I don't like it to end this soon. I need to calm myself and would write when I get better later. 

 

Last but not least, Their acting is superb!! It's so heartbreaking!! 

 

Exactly my feelings!  So actually DO died in shadow.  Poor girl!  :tears:  What about the her wishes to stay alive?   Writernim, what do you have against DO?  Why don't you give her happy endings both in TC and Secret?  Is it because she always goes against your plots?  Because she falls in love not with BK but HR? 

 

I wonder whether the next episode will go back a bit about the time when DO died in the shadow.  What happened to HR and BK then?  A girl died in real life!  It is the same DO, isn't it?  I wonder if the new DO will have the same personal traits and personality like the old DO.  So, like JMC's lover, just the body and the look which are exactly the same basically?  Everything else is different?   Aigoo.....

 

I miss DO already.....I really love her character.  I cried a bucket when she was in her room trying to comfort herself by rubbing her own head by saying, "It's going to be okay, it's going to be okay...." :tears:  The scene when she was 'praying' to the writernim was so heart-wrenching!!   She is such a positive girl!   Teens nowadays need to learn from her character!  She is a good role model when it comes to overcoming problems in teen life.

 

I am curious how the new DO will appear in shadow and when she will get awareness!

 

The cast really do a great job in delivering their emotions!  Can't believe next week is the final week.  I hope the drama wraps up and conclude nicely.  No rushed nor open ending I hope! 

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15 hours ago, Nymeria289 said:

Live shooting is getting to them...the editing for todays episode was all over the place

 

Yeah i concur, also ep 13 had too much repeats scenes and unnecessary filler. 

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2 hours ago, nrllee said:

 

 

As for sympathy for BK.  I put it purely down to LJW’s acting.  I don’t think it can just be fan girls taking his side.  He has added his own spin on BK’s character to make him less heinous.  He should get awards for doing so.  But that aside, BK as a character has a long way to go when it comes to redemption.  Personally for me, he has begun the journey, he seemed a lot softer towards DanOh this episode (no wrist grabbing).  Redemption is about where you have come from, not where you ideally should be.  It’s a process.  And no, I don’t think he deserves DO.  HR is still the better man for her.  But BK is the more interesting character to analyse.  He’s so conflicted.  So I approach him in a purely academic sense to understand why he behaves the way he does.  HR and DO in contrast are straightforward characters. 

Tell me more your analysis. I think BK is interesting, very complex.  I don't support BK-DO. I am just very curious this character and so i have an attention with BK and Jea Wook actor. BK's action make not define wrong or wright.

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