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[Drama 2019] Flower Crew: Joseon Matchmaking Maneuver Agency, 꽃파당 : 조선혼담공작소

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Hey @chocolatepie, thank you for the insight. Oh yes, I did watch bits of WannaOne's season of Produce101 (the only season I tried watching, but they - the show that is - are just too time consuming for me), just not every episode. Plus, I'm not really a fan of K-Pop so I didn't really follow or listen to their songs. BUT I'm positively surprised to see him going into acting, doing well and improving as the drama goes on.

 

11 hours ago, chocolatepie said:

I have no problem with Lee Soo and i believe he really likes Gaeddong. Seo Ji Hoon is using his eyes to act if you notice it.  On twitter, i can see comments on viewers feeling sad for lee soo at the lantern festival scene.

Regarding this, my problem (emphasis on MY) with the character is that, it seems like the sad, puppy eyes has been his default expression throughout the drama. There are some scenes here and there where Soo shows determination and guts, but otherwise he is always "sad, puppy eyes". I will admit in the past few episodes anytime his character comes on-screen I'd go, "Oh here we go again..." It's not the actor's fault though, don't get me wrong. I'm pinning it on the writer and director. BUT, then again there might not be anything wrong direction-wise and writing-wise. I'm just being a difficult viewer, just saying that is how his character makes me feel.

 

I am, however, still interested to see how his character will end up like. A just ruler? A dictator? A paranoid one? Despite the cheery beginning of this drama, I really don't know what to expect as the writer seems to not be tied to a singular premise, and is willing to go a bit dark with her writing. On that note, was this story adapted from a web novel/comic? If it was, can someone enlighten me on its accuracy and/or faithfulness to the original material?

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5 hours ago, wizuwizu said:

On that note, was this story adapted from a web novel/comic? If it was, can someone enlighten me on its accuracy and/or faithfulness to the original material?


I don’t think so?  If it were, there would be many posts about the original webtoon (much like Extraordinary You).  There’s usually a following for webtoons or comics and inevitably fans will want to watch the dramatised version and compare so there would be posts about them.  I googled the writer and nothing came up.  I think this is her inaugural piece of writing.  And I am told the PD is also female.  So it’s a nice change.

 

But yes there are flaws in the plot and it’s a bit uneven in spots.  Still I really like the dialogue - it’s clever and witty.  The writer is has shown promise in that.  It’s a good first effort.  Also aesthetically it’s been a visual feast for the eyes.

 

EDIT stills for queen selection process

Cr https://n.news.naver.com/entertain/article/468/0000583417

 

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On 10/28/2019 at 2:06 PM, nrllee said:


I don’t think so?  If it were, there would be many posts about the original webtoon (much like Extraordinary You).  There’s usually a following for webtoons or comics and inevitably fans will want to watch the dramatised version and compare so there would be posts about them.  I googled the writer and nothing came up.  I think this is her inaugural piece of writing.  And I am told the PD is also female.  So it’s a nice change.

 

But yes there are flaws in the plot and it’s a bit uneven in spots.  Still I really like the dialogue - it’s clever and witty.  The writer is has shown promise in that.  It’s a good first effort.  Also aesthetically it’s been a visual feast for the eyes.

 

EDIT stills for queen selection process

Cr https://n.news.naver.com/entertain/article/468/0000583417

 

 

i think the writer won 2nd place in a script-writing competition if i'm not wrong. (Edit: not script-writing but novel competition. So when it was converted to a drama script, it goes a bit out of the flow). I think it has got to do with the flow of the drama... i dunno but i'm with all of you that there is something missing... 

 

On 10/28/2019 at 12:40 PM, wizuwizu said:

Hey @chocolatepie, thank you for the insight. Oh yes, I did watch bits of WannaOne's season of Produce101 (the only season I tried watching, but they - the show that is - are just too time consuming for me), just not every episode. Plus, I'm not really a fan of K-Pop so I didn't really follow or listen to their songs. BUT I'm positively surprised to see him going into acting, doing well and improving as the drama goes on.

 

Regarding this, my problem (emphasis on MY) with the character is that, it seems like the sad, puppy eyes has been his default expression throughout the drama. There are some scenes here and there where Soo shows determination and guts, but otherwise he is always "sad, puppy eyes". I will admit in the past few episodes anytime his character comes on-screen I'd go, "Oh here we go again..." It's not the actor's fault though, don't get me wrong. I'm pinning it on the writer and director. BUT, then again there might not be anything wrong direction-wise and writing-wise. I'm just being a difficult viewer, just saying that is how his character makes me feel.

 

I am, however, still interested to see how his character will end up like. A just ruler? A dictator? A paranoid one? Despite the cheery beginning of this drama, I really don't know what to expect as the writer seems to not be tied to a singular premise, and is willing to go a bit dark with her writing. On that note, was this story adapted from a web novel/comic? If it was, can someone enlighten me on its accuracy and/or faithfulness to the original material?

Now that u mentioned, oh yes, he has this sad expression most of the time.. but i think there is nothing he can do, hahaha.... he is worried and miss Gaeddong.. 

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I just watched episode 13 raw. I loved scenes between the king and Gae Ttong. So much chemistry & feeling. At the end, when Ma Hoon screams No and it feels so empty and even looks he gives lacks sincerity from my pov.

Second lead syndrome is so intense for me here as Seo Ji Hoon's acting never disappoint.  I remember the drama I need romance 2. Where Yeol Mae had to choose between old love Seok Hyun even though she is in love with new love Ji Hoon. I rooted for Ji hoon so much...

Here is opposite case for me as i want Gae Ttong to have empathy for her old husband to be& beloved brother& loving family as she calls. I know it wont be like that ever. Still hoping for better ending for the king.  

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The expression in Soo's eyes is very reminiscent of Park Bo Gum. Well they're both really good looking & portray Kings too. Soo's longing is expressed so wistfully & he doesn't even need to say much LoL. But what to do.. that's the sad fate of a ruler.. It was just as cruel for Soo Yeon/Gae Ddong to find out the truth on his identity so late in the drama. That Lady Ji Hwa ugh. 

    I've come across many comments who feel Min Jae-Seung Yeon lack chemistry in comparison to the other secondary couple - Ji Hwa/Joon. To be subjective, I feel it's due to the actor's age? Like Min Jae is younger than Seung Yeon & I feel like he needs to have more experience(?) to inject more depth. As for Seung Yeon, her acting is uneven for me. She started off really unnatural in the beginning but showed some progress, still she looks like she's not as engaging in her role in comparison to the actress playing Ji Hwa.

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I just came off watching the actress playing Lady Ji Hwan where she was the lead actress. I admired her so much and loved her acting. I had never seen her act before. Therefore to see her as a secondary couple and a nasty female is even more jarring. I still can't quite buy her as nasty and richard simmons.

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Poor, naive, oblivious Gae Ttong, everyone and their mothers are trying to get rid of her but she's blissfully unaware that she's the center of some invisible war. At last she's finding about Soo but imagine being her and just wanting to rescue you brother but this noble lady hates you, these masked men are trying to kill you, the father of your lover hates you, everyones using you as a pawn, be a lady, be this man's daughter, enter the queen selection...

 

I would have run away with Hoon! Give information to lord Kang in exchange for the brother and run far away from this madness. King be damned! ...If only it was that easy!

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Oh so sad to see the King cannot have the woman he loves. I cannot imagine the ending will be now that 2 ministers already knew that Lady Yun is a GT the commoner. If I were MaHoon I wouldn't dare to talk back and grab GT's hand in front of the King, I mean let GT settle her feeling with King Soo first, let her decide if she's willing to be with the King or not.

 

I want to see JW reaction when comparing the King or DoJoon. Has Lady JW seen The King's face already ? Only GT took a peek? Isn't JW curious about the King's face by wanting to meet him prior the selection day?

 

Since the last appearance of Choi Jin Hyuk, do we have another cameo? - Just in case PD-nim wants to make one, I would like to suggest Lady Nokdu as a cameo for a prospective Queen selection candidate. I am sure Lady Nokdu will win our King's heart. LOL. Here is the Lady Nokdu for cameo I'm talking about ...

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Oh noooo. I haven't watched these week's episodes yet but damn... the heartbreak is coming. :tears:

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The women are all pawns used by their selfish relatives to advance further their own agendas.. poor things, it's sad really. No wonder noblewomen dread bein' called into the palace. Gae Ddong feels she's a martyr by bein' the noble idiot but at what cost though? It was unfair for that royal guard to plead with Gae Ddong to submit to Soo.. and what of her brother?? Young Soo is just as pitiful.

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its so heavy hearted to watch the epi this week.... show gonna end soon. Supposedly lighthearted show which is why I watched. But feel so sad now....

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I know the last episodes are very heartbreaking. I don't even know if I can watch the next two episodes without knowing the ending first. I didn't sign up for a sad one. Make it happy, show. Jebal.

 

Anyway, JTBC already uploaded the making for eps 13-14. It is below if you haven't seen it yet.

 

They keep on laughing off cam even the scenes are serious. :lol:

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I was travelling was so looking fwd to the next episodes...

 

What can i say, Ma Hoon had the balls to say no to the King and not return GD to the King. GD might feel wrong by MH for not telling Soo's identity, but she got over it, especially when she found out what the *love* character means.

 

It was only because of the threat of the loss of lives that GD relented and left for the next queen selection stage.

 

Her going bk to the palace is kinda expected, because she would need to protect Ma Hoon, who literally could lose his life... we have to wait and see how ep15 and 16 unfold. Im so excited to know the ending which i hope will be a happy ones between Ma Hoon and GD. Fighting! :)

 

and i must say  the colours, cinematography of the drama is very good!

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The last episode is least expected. I’m so sad watching MaHoon cries :cry:

Still 2 episodes to go now. 

Mixed feeling for the last 2 episodes.

Hopefully still happy end for MH and GD!

Really like KMJ sad expression..

I know it’s the opposites , one side I don’t like MH to be sad, but I like the sad face of KMJ makes. Haha

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Hello. Just watched episode 14. Really troubled by the Young Soo story. Almost no need in the drama development at the almost end. Seems its related how Park Ji Hoon name is trending as buzzworthy actor. Just reminded me how they pushed Yook Sung Jae on us till drama ends on School 2015 due to his popularity. Almost destroyed the drama flow, but writer stuck to the initial coupling which saved the drama. Joon- Ji Hwa couple gets almost no time during last 2 episodes which are shame. I dont like them, but they were pushing them so much and now nothing. Seems king Soo has his own plan to choose Gae Ttong and protect Gae Ttong. I cant say much about him being wise, kind or bad ruler since drama is just about who Gae Ttong ends up finally. At least happy that her brother is finally free yet sad that he is disabled and cant live on his own. 

 

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3 hours ago, Moroodliin said:

Joon- Ji Hwa couple gets almost no time during last 2 episodes which are shame. I dont like them, but they were pushing them so much and now nothing.

 

Yeah I thought that was a shame too.  In fact the writer has pushed the JiHwa character to irredeemable territory for me now.  She’s just so nasty?  Joon is better off without her?  It would seem impossible for her to suddenly gather enough brownie points to finish deserving of a happy ever after?  Next week preview seems to imply GD takes Soo back to his beginnings again?  To remind him of who he was?  That he is not a tyrant King?  Best case scenario would be Soo as King exiles Lord Ma and Lord Kang together with their families.  JiHwa as a commoner stripped of her titles may come to learn humility and have some semblance of a future with Joon.  Lord Yun returns to the Palace to aid the King.  Soo comes to his senses and lets GD leave.  The other lady (Lord Ma’s relative) seems nice?  Maybe she can be Queen?  Flower Crew gets back in business again with the 4 of them and GD and MH get their happy ever after.

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1 hour ago, nrllee said:

 The other lady (Lord Ma’s relative) seems nice?  Maybe she can be Queen?  Flower Crew gets back in business again with the 4 of them and GD and MH get their happy ever after.

See based solely on the preview, I think she'd inadvertently poison GD. Haha here I go with my assumptions and predictions again. By the way I read somewhere else that this drama was indeed adapted from a novel by the same writer. Loosely I presume.

Spoiler

Not a very happy ending in the novel, or so I've heard.

 

So again, predictions based on the latest episodes: With 2 episodes left, the writer could either wrap everything quickly with the Flower Crew returning to business as usual and ends on a happy note, or continue on and ends the drama with this "less happy" route they're on right now. If it's the latter (and I hope so for the sake of a better flow), I suspect MH and GD are really the only ones with a chance at a happy ending. Joon and JH will end up alone (Joon back to the courtesan house, drinking his sorrows). YoungSoo is going to *gasp* die. He owes MH his "2nd chance at life" and he's going to return the favor with GD's brother. MH and GD is going to have to leave the city for GD's sake, and so that she can never be used against Soo in the future. No idea how Lord Ma and Lord Kang would end up though...They have support of each others' camp back in the palace court, but they're too much of a threat to Soo, Lord Yun will again, end up returning full time to the palace taking over Lord Ma's post.

 

What do you guys think? Probable?

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