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[Drama 2019] Catch The Ghost, 유령을 잡아라

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1 hour ago, berny2 said:

Was it hinted? or implied that YJ might have involvement in the murders?  YJ, her twin sister??
 

As mental health is a sensitive topic for some, this is just from what I know about autism (it was implied in previous episodes that YJ has autism right?) I don't think it's a condition that can be cured...it can be managed, but not resolved. So a person with autism cannot later on turn into a plotting, or scheming criminal.  They have no cognitive capability to do that. They can be violent and uncontrollable but that's just it...because they have no  control on extreme emotions, just like what we see in flashbacks when YJ throws a tantrum...but to be someone turned into a scheming individual or plotting to kill people or to participate in crimes-- that's impossible.  It could be though that YJ might have been used to lure the victims? that could be it?

 

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Nah her sister definitely wasn't high functioning.  I doubt she's left that room. With her I think it would have been too risky to take her any where even to lure people as there are too many uncontrollable variables that could trigger her and set her off. She is vulnerable, she screams someone that needs protecting and in their twisted mind that's what they are doing. As the couldn't protect neither the little girl and she died or the homeless as he was blamed. 

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Just fyi, since I am waiting for spoilers before deciding if I will marathon the last 4 episodes together. I didn't like the spoilers from Monday.

 

 

Didn't they mention the YJ has or is classified as having level 2 autism under the ASD? Also one cannot be charged with murder if you're lacking mental capacity. Generally speaking, I thought all or any charges will be under manslaughter anyway? Since you need mental capability and intent to be charged for murder.

 

Or did I read the speculations wrongly the last week? I am not sure where the possible scenarios are going. That's why I was waiting to see what was happening. Since for the life of me have been wondering how 2 minors at 10 can be left alone without a guardian.  Since its illegal. And they wouldn't be able to access schooling. I mean they could but would need a guardian and also money. But if I need to find the exact Korean legal Act for this- haven't looked it up. Guardians and school/ welfare access in SK is different from other countries. Some of it doesn't make sense.

 

Since I know all of us are Kdrama fans and we all picked up these facts already 're Korean legal stuff. The murder vs manslaughter issues- the definitions are quite precise obviously since these are serious issues. And I dismissed that plot line. Unless I miss something. Did I? 

 

Can the writer make YJ an accessory to murder even? Or she be charged for manslaughter. And be charged and given a prison sentence and put in prison? Sigh now I have to go read up on the Korean prisons and see what arrangements they have to house these sort of prisoners. Since she won't be like those mental health patients who are charged and sentenced. Different category.

 

 

@Damsauce Karats WOW that's some spoilers. Makes me wish I didn't understand Korean or Indonesian. 

 

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what awesome episode, the writer keep up us on the edges until the end , god let sister see each other 
 

 

 

 

** glad sister didn’t push the little girl without reason the mental man was on fault , @bebebisous33 your get it right he couldn’t kill the sister that day because he relies she is like a child :tears:
 

 

 
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sad , she was in the  wrong place on the wrong time & later she triggered revenge on him :tears:


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Omg. Bow down to this writer. I was not expecting any of that! I’ll write a quick recap in spoiler 

 

Spoiler

The captain grasshopper is the subway ghost. The homeless guy pushed YooJin by the open subway and in turn she pushed/grabbed Saerom by accident causing the little girl to fall into the tracks and getting hit by the subway. Saerom is captain grasshopper daughter. The people all around who witnessed it are the people he killed. It was revenge. He was angry they all just stood by and didn’t do anything.  His mom is the helper ahjumma. She rescued yoojin from the tunnels and calls her “Saerom” now. 
 

He didn’t intentionally save yoojin. He said to his mom he has one last thing to do. In the preview the mom says the last person he needs to take is yoojin, so I think he’s intent on taking her as well.

 

edit: Also his mom was protecting the homeless guy, because she said she wanted to at least save her son (grasshopper guy) she said if the cops catch the homless man that his plan will be realized and she knows what the end of the plan is. Which is he plans to go and follow Saerom. (To his death

 

also that mom is a real piece of work. I understand you love your kid, but she completely enabled and permitted all these killings to happen. She even lied to Yoo Ryung that she didn’t see yoojin, when she was right behind the door. 
 

also, I know there is no space for romance right now, but I really hope they get together at the last episode at least.

 

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@tas82 In my eyes, I wasn't entirely wrong that the door was defect and the subway company should have done more that putting a red line as warning. They are to blame for this incident.

 

As for the Subway Ghost, he is as much responsible for his daughter's death as his mother and the others.

  • Why did he steal the wallet in the first place? He committed a crime hence he got caught.
  • Furthermore, he blamed his mother for not taking care of Sae Rom but he was her father after all, therefore he was the one responsible for her.

I had suspected that he killed all the witnesses as they had done nothing. Yet in my eyes, YJ shouldn't be blamed for SR's death. She was also pushed and her gesture was just instinctive. I didn't like YR's words to the team. She considered YJ guilty, while in reality YJ was a victim as well. If SR hadn't been there, YJ would have been the one dead. She never pushed the girl intentionally and you could sense that YJ was traumatized. The fact that she kept looking at the remaining piece of cloth in her hand and she was remaining on the floor. It was as if she had been paralyzed. The friend is to blame as well as she left YJ unguarded... 

 

Honestly, I like how the story is being told... There were many red herrings and the best was... last week, we thought the captain was the Subway Ghost then yesterday, we started doubting this theory and now it has been confirmed that it is true. From my point of view, the captain didn't spare YJ in the first place, he was stopped by his mother. Now, I am wondering if his real target is YJ but YR. Maybe that's the reason why he stopped killing YR back then. Maybe he would like YJ to witness the death of her sister YR, like throwing her from the train. It doesn't look like the captain knows about YJ's autism.   

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@bebebisous33 I completely agree. It was not YJ fault whatsoever. She had no intention to

pull/push that girl. It was an instinctive reflex from being shoved by the homeless man. She is also not the reason/start for all thE killings. The killings are all solely the responsibility of capt. grasshopper. I don’t know why YR mind would jump to the conclusion that YJ is the one who Ultimately killed the girl. She’s not. 
 

love all the twists and turns the writer has given us. 

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Well played writernim! (Bows respectfully)

 

 @bebebisous33 ding ding exactly. Man I wanted to slap her when she acted all guilty closing the laptop and then saying that to the team. How is it her fault?  She should have defended her sister especially after the way Ma Ri had wanted to paint her as a murderer. Hmmm had a thought whilst writing this. Maybe it's a habit. She assumes most thinks will be her sister's fault.  Apologising for her sister accepting fault is a quick way to de-escalate a situation and stop people staring and commenting. Her view has been clouded by years of doing this. Chief will have to uncloud them.  Still want to slap her for it though felt like she threw her under the bus.

 

Part of me didn't even feel for the witnesses. How stands by and watch a kid being harassed like that. And yes my dude needs to claim his complicity. Why are you out on the rob why weren't you looking after your own dam child! Also he could have said something to the cop, hhhmm maybe he did and we haven't seen it. Cause why she quit,  guilty for something, doubt it as simple arresting him....hmm??

And yes what was that measly piece of tape. Surprised he doesn't wanna burn the whole dang station down for such a health and safety blunder. 

So what now his final play is murder suicide with YJ and what feed them just enough crumbs so they arrive just in time so YR can see it?

 

Gosh Monday is also far away....

 

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woahh..the two last episodes were too dark and intense, my heart was beating faster

with the two last episodes remain, iam waiting the moment when JS's mom recognize JS as her son, and when YR meets YJ

and the moment when YR says she likes JS too ( actually i lost my hope with the romance part ),  but i still want to see the happy ending for YR and JS in the last episode..YR with her sister YJ and JS with his mom, and i also hope YR and JS are being together , side by side , support and comfort each other while taking care their beloved one YJ and JS's mom...

and the last but not the least,,i want a kiss scene between JS and YR ( honestly i just want to see a kiss scene between MGY adn KSH ,lol ), just a little kiss,.... argghh the writernim so stingy

 

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It was so intense for last night episodes. Oh the ghost reveals himself. So it's him! Oh snap!! I am totally deceived! I thought it's him but then doubt then it turned to be really him at the end. Great mystery! I like how they handle all of this very intriguing. 

 

It's so heartbreaking and pity that the girl had to die because of those homeless guy. How in the world they let the schizophrenic patient go around like that? And well, what the hell with those people who just stay still when they sense that the kid will be harmed. They at least can scream or grab that kid fast before the crazy man gets closer and harm her safety. And I feel how the ghost pain and understand his anger toward people who are involved or present at the scene. The people's apathy is the root problem of such calamity.

 

It was so great to see the revelation of the truth behind all of this serial killings. HOWEVER, whatever reason why the ghost is getting his revenge like that, his murder revenge is not right. The mother is also the one to be blamed. If she corrects him from the first attempt of his murder. She should tell YR or report his son sooner. I really can't understand her way of thinking. Knowing that her son is going to kill she just keep covering and even didn't really stop him. It was her fault leaving her grand daughter alone and it was also her fault that she let her son to be a murder. And seeing the chronology of the incident,  I am glad that it wasn't YJ's fault. 

 

I just wonder whether that case was investigated thoroughly or not. How could the police didn't notice it even they've dig the related cases for two years. Ah... it"s so disappointing! They must have only focus on talking big and do some image promotion all this time. No surprise! Even in the critical moment that PR cop is busy finding a way to kick out KJS from Seoul. If someone should step down from their position, I voted he's the first one should do so. 

 

The lesson that I learned. The ghost is doing so many bad deed as pickpocket, and his family is getting his karma. Waiting for the finals. It seems YR will go after the ghost by herself. 

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the last episode was so dark

my heart went out for the Ghost....how he witnessed her only daughter tragic death right before his eyes

It's truly heartwrenching :tears:

Instead being scared watching him kill the Kim Chul Jin, the homeless guy, I actually cried seeing how bitter & vengeful he was

He chose to be like because he was disappointed at the police & the law

And at the same time, he was regretful how he could not do anything & was so helpless as her parent

So i think that's why he chose to kill all those people & kill himself at the end

And i think it doesnt matter if he realize YJ is actually an autism patient, he's still going to kill her

I was just surprised he said that he's going to return the necklace, then left YJ on the railroad 
(does it mean he wanted YJ to be crush by the next morning train? then return the necklace where?)

 

The Mom *sigh i dont understand her kind of thinking

She chose to protect the homeless guy instead of preventing the criminal acts when her son first abducted YJ

She even didnt dare to open the door

Then, she saved YJ and turned her to SR, her dead grandchild ...calling YJ, SR

 

I am so glad i was wrong that YJ was being a mastermind nor directly responsible for those serial murders

Me and my wild imagination ..LOL

 

I actually think YR was blaming herself when she said it's YJ's fault

How she always think in the point of victims' on every case

And how she always put the victims first even forgetting herself

(it shows from how she could jump from the 2nd floor trying to catch the perverts, and later when she handled the case the abusive MMA fighter...not thinking at all about her safety)

I think she blamed herself for not being there to be beside YJ

Hence might prevent the tragedy

 

 

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Thinking about JS & YR again... if after all time invested throughout the drama for their budding romance from the beginning till the last eps yesterday whe they still are each other's moral support

(JS backhugged YR when she freaked out listening to the capt's interrogation, and when YR intervened to calm both JS & his Mom at the basement...even the birthdays scene was long enough that they skipped a day's worth of regular working day), there is no romance at all till the end of the drama next week

Then the writer & the PD really waste their time shooting those unnecessary love-budding-scenes

They should have allocated those time for better build up the mystery and/or another criminal case

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1 hour ago, yukiyukiku said:

Thinking about JS & YR again... if after all time invested throughout the drama for their budding romance from the beginning till the last eps yesterday whe they still are each other's moral support

(JS backhugged YR when she freaked out listening to the capt's interrogation, and when YR intervened to calm both JS & his Mom at the basement...even the birthdays scene was long enough that they skipped a day's worth of regular working day), there is no romance at all till the end of the drama next week

Then the writer & the PD really waste their time shooting those unnecessary love-budding-scenes

They should have allocated those time for better build up the mystery and/or another criminal case

yes you are right..couldnt agree more..if there is no romance development between JS and YR until the very last episode, they shouldnt give us the budding romance at the first place...

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21 minutes ago, cloe said:

yes you are right..couldnt agree more..if there is no romance development between JS and YR until the very last episode, they shouldnt give us the budding romance at the first place...

 

Exactly

Why they shoot those many scenes if the ending wont have any romantic development at all

Those scenes are a lot...in each & every eps, there's always JS & YR bickering supporting & relying on each other

also betrayal/misunderstanding...then back again to supporting & relying on each other

Not to mention, they add a love rival, Woo Hyuk to the mix

I mean...after all the trouble spending so much time shooting those scenes, then no romance at all

Geezz. PD-nim & Writer-nim...why bother to shoot them in the 1st place then

 

If that happens, my love of this drama will surely turn to hate :wacko:

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