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[Drama 2019] Voice 3, 보이스3

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I'm gradually catching up... Up to Episode 8 so far. I put the drama on hold to watch some lighter fare before returning to this. ;)

 

Although I am interested and quite curious about Kang Woo's backstory, I think for me the heart and soul of Voice is still the individual emergency cases. That's still my favourite part of the series. I wouldn't say that the psychopaths-walk-amongst-us arc detracts from that but I still believe that Voice is and was always about the victims of crime. The people who suffered from injustice and miscarriages of justice. That's the whole point of the Golden Time Team is to help people and save lives. The serial killer arc is just background noise.

 

There's something quite admirable about Kang Woo's resolve to keep at the straight and narrow despite all his internal "programming" to do otherwise. Admittedly I was apprehensive to see him descend into darkness... wasn't sure I really wanted to watch that but LJW is doing a really good job of it plus I find the struggle between the contrary forces within him morbidly fascinating. I don't want to see him give in to his darker impulses and goodness knows he's putting up a heck of fight. The really incredible thing about KW IMO is that while all the psychopaths in his acquaintance are trying to egg him on, he continues to resist, soldering on trying to defy the innateness hypothesis.

 

Sometimes with all the bloodthirsty crazy stuff that goes on one forgets that KW is an excellent detective. Of all the things he chose to do knowing his history and propensities, he chose to be a cop. Perhaps he thought it would keep those dark tendencies at bay if was out there helping people. But when he's not pretending to be indifferent, he does seem to care. 

 

I loved the case of the immigrant women. It's a blight on every civilized society when the weak and vulnerable get abused... particularly men and women who are looking for a way out... a better life but end up falling prey to those who take advantage of their vulnerabilities. A very ugly incident but a ringing reminder of the depths of human depravity ie. trading in babies.

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I know this might have been said many times already, but really... I bow to LJW's performance in Voice 3. He's so believable playing KW's tortured soul and body, down to the expressions of his eyes. He's not overplaying it. Just in the eyes and body language, it's interesting to be able to see the switch from KW to Kousuke. He doesn't even need to lick his lips or whatnot for us to notice. I forget that I'm watching an actor.

Our LHN has been consistently amazing too throughout all the seasons; she carries this show with grace and a tranquille force, but wanted to give LJW a special shoutout. KW/Kousuke is an emotionally taxing and challenging role to play. Speaking a bit from experience here. Kuddos, sir.

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On 6/20/2019 at 11:20 AM, sushilicious said:

Oh we do! We have tons! You want 10 boxes with 100 each? Hahaha

Yes yes!  I haven't caught up yet with the latest episodes since we've been working overtime lately. Aaaaaand I have to read everyone's post. You guys are amazing. I love all your theories. I still have to watch the last 2 episodes though. :bawling:

 

 

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All caught up!

 

Oh dear... Chief Na gets kidnapped again. Here's hoping he gets out of this too. Now that he's not quite so belligerent and he's been wonderfully supportive of Kang Woo I would hate to see him fall victim to Kanaseki and his minions. Poor man but now at least we all know what happened to his brother's hand. It wasn't just some rich person's indulgent fetish... there's a warped superstition that drives these purchases... a belief that the objects are talismans at the right price.

 

I've been thinking since Episode 9 that underneath all the cesspit of evil and savagery, Kang Woo's entire arc is seems to be about choice. That was wonderfully reinforced in that instance when Chief Na is barely holding back from striking Chairman Oh but then he says that he won't hit him (Chairman Oh) because he refuses to become like him. Although he doesn't say who, he invokes Kang Woo as his inspiration, as it were. Knowing that KW is struggling with his urges to inflict serious violence, he draws some comfort from thinking that if someone with everything against can hold out, he (Chief Na) too can do the same.

 

I also personally find Kang Woo inspiring especially after these last few episodes. There's something deeply heroic about the way he battles those dark desires in the face of increasing obstacles. While he is despised, shunned and ridiculed by everyone who knows his history, to me he is a tragic hero. He is fighting his own internal manichean battle and yet despite it all, he still manages to have his wits about him and play detective par excellence. He's still observant and remarkably perceptive about people.

I am made to realise that KW could have used his abilities to destroy lives but he chose to use his intelligence and skills to save them. Whether he was born a psychopath or made into one, it's inspiring that he has chosen to carve out his own path... to accept responsibility for his own actions and be his own man despite the labels thrown his way.

 

I imagine it's down to psychopath vs psychopath. ;) The British used former pirates to hunt down other pirates. Police often consult ex-thieves to understand the modul operandi of existing ones. I suppose the show is saying that only another psychopath can bring down one so powerful (with connections in high places) and intelligent that he has built up an incredible network and reputation.

 

I hope KW survives although all this talk about shooting him when he loses control doesn't give me much reason to hope.

 

And yes... LJW has been really good in this. I've seen most of his stuff and he really does well as tortured, haunted characters. But in this he has been at the top of his game. 

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@40somethingahjumma Very well said. 

 

17 hours ago, 40somethingahjumma said:

Although I am interested and quite curious about Kang Woo's backstory, I think for me the heart and soul of Voice is still the individual emergency cases. 

I agree 100%. Prior to this serial case, I loved how they save people from their day to day cases. That sense of satisfaction you get when you see the GT team save different people at the end of the day. It's a humbling experience.

 

21 hours ago, 40somethingahjumma said:

There's something quite admirable about Kang Woo's resolve to keep at the straight and narrow despite all his internal "programming" to do otherwise

You are definitely on point on this one. He is still KW despite being a psychopath (although I agree that they wrongly diagnosed him). He is more than the son of a murderer and he tried his damniest to be on a different path. 

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Plausible Meanings of 覚めた

 

After rewatching I wrote up a rough idea of what the meaning could be.

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If we convert Reality into dreams..It can be said that, everything that one did while believing in ‘覚めた‘ will wake up from the dream they had. They treat whatever they did as a dream, they treat those that they kill as monsters and it is in need to be killed off because they are ruining the perfect dream. Then when they wake up from their dream (Which is after murdering those to them as monsters) their reality would not be plagued by any negative forces anymore. That the world would be at peace. Like a peaceful dream. (So the logic is that it’s okay to kill. Because it’s a dream)

 

So the idea of 覚めた for this part is that. “In order to live in a peaceful dream. One must remove the negative root that is causing harm to this peaceful society.”

 

  • Reset
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To this theory, I would say it’s the complete opposite of what I have said earlier. In this theory, we talk about being able to replace something to make the believers stronger. Stepping over people’s shoulders to get what you want to be exact. In this theory, 覚めた can be said to believe in second or infinite chances to retry and be better (Which is killing off people, or doing something that feeds their thrill). So every reset, they odd to get something in return...thrill. Power. Fun. Etc. Being able to get that thrill every time. 

 

In Kaneki’s case, every time he resets when people bring him new body parts or when he kills people. Every time he does this, he would feel even powerful because it’s feeding his thrill. So as he slowly continues to reset, he became more and more cold & psychotic...

 

So the idea of 覚めた for this part is that “If one can reset, they will be better than the rest.”

 

Pretty much in reset, it’s a monster making idea. A place for people with ‘natural talent’ to grow and to be better...Kaneki Spazzing on the chair he could be ‘resetting’

 

 

Ultimately it all lead to be awaken/come to your senses. Which is what 覚めた meant.

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Posted (edited)

Whatever the outcome, I hope we will some kind of happy ending. 

 

 

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1 minute ago, sheelatpsfm said:

 

One more day for the last 2 eps of Voice 2.. OMG! That means next week no more already.. No more waiting for KW and KJ and the GT team. 

 

We still have 2 weeks of Voice. :blush:

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6 minutes ago, mtracy07 said:

 

We still have 2 weeks of Voice. :blush:

 OMG! I forgot this week is ep13 and 14.. 

 

Haish.. brain is tired already today.. hehehhehhe  :joy:

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15 minutes ago, sheelatpsfm said:

 OMG! I forgot this week is ep13 and 14.. 

 

Haish.. brain is tired already today.. hehehhehhe  :joy:

Hhaha, I was about to cry when you mentioned only two more eps then I realized we actually have 4 more. :joy: Still catching up on Eps 11-12. And OMG I won't wait long for Ep 13! 

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31 minutes ago, sheelatpsfm said:

Whatever the outcome, I hope we will some kind of happy ending. 

 

Me too. I hope for some closure and a path to healing for KW, and no death for Chief Na... And progress on KJ's recovery. This isn't exactly a happy show, but I hope that the last episode won't leave me too heartbroken or somewhat traumatized by the fate our beloved characters. I know the show is about solving cases, but I'm hoping for growth and the ability to move forward with their lives, for KJ and KW. Please, no funeral for KW...

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They finished filming, can't believe that I'll have nothing to watch in two weeks :scream:

 

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23 minutes ago, rogueprincess51 said:

Hhaha, I was about to cry when you mentioned only two more eps then I realized we actually have 4 more. :joy: Still catching up on Eps 11-12. And OMG I won't wait long for Ep 13! 

Lucky you for not having to suffer the same pain like everyone here. <_<*chew cookie*

 

@nateko the pic no KW :( 

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35 minutes ago, lilyphenix said:

Me too. I hope for some closure and a path to healing for KW, and no death for Chief Na... And progress on KJ's recovery. This isn't exactly a happy show, but I hope that the last episode won't leave me too heartbroken or somewhat traumatized by the fate our beloved characters. I know the show is about solving cases, but I'm hoping for growth and the ability to move forward with their lives, for KJ and KW. Please, no funeral for KW...

We all do! I am hoping for no cliffhangers since last years season end sent me in a mini panic attack :joy:

19 minutes ago, nateko said:

They finished filming, can't believe that I'll have nothing to watch in two weeks :scream:

 

No KW in the picture though :bawling:

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19 minutes ago, sushilicious said:

Lucky you for not having to suffer the same pain like everyone here. <_<*chew cookie*

But, but.... I got no cookies to chew the past few days especially when I knew I won't be able to watch the latest 2 eps. I made up for it by gobbling one box of your :cookie: that I got the other day. Oh, the box with 100 pieces each. :joy:

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48 minutes ago, sushilicious said:

 

@nateko the pic no KW :( 

 I think I saw his ear in the background...

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I'm getting impatient for tomorrow. Here's some sweetness till the next episode. i really want to see these two.

This one for the shippers. A very beautiful and well made one. After watching this video no one can blame shipers for...well...shipping them. LHN and LJW do have great chemistry and I love how the video fully showcases KW's and KJ's relationship, whatever that might be. 

This one's from BTS, our main leads appreciation video,  so cute :blush:

This one's for you, @sushilicious - a collection of psychos and of course lots of cuts of Kousuke :naughty:

 

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@nateko right now I’m rewatching just parts of it...:bawling: the parts when Kousuke tells his members to go other directions while he chase after the criminal himself ...IT’S SO GOOD! His smile! I want to just *smack my hands on his soft cheeks*  and just cry. It’s awesome! :bawling: that face of “I’m gonna have you to myself!” :bawling:

 

So next week finale I will call some ambulance. I might probably need it. Not sure about you. But do tell me if you need one lol haha

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14 hours ago, rogueprincess51 said:

Hhaha, I was about to cry when you mentioned only two more eps then I realized we actually have 4 more. :joy: Still catching up on Eps 11-12. And OMG I won't wait long for Ep 13! 

 

Sorry guys... I was sad too then i realized eh its next week.. Then I thought oh thank god I can still watch Voice 3.. hahahhahaha..

 

The reason with the confusion with too much of drama watching right now.. 

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