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[Drama 2019] Voice 3, 보이스3

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I seriously thought we would get a kiss between the leads or something because of the crazy stress between all the team members...I'm wishing way too much for a love story here...

 

But I found kind of funny was that Yukiko's father tells that one guy at dinner (who got arrested for having the hand) that Kaneki is a vegeterian... lol wait till you find out what he ate :crazy:

 

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So. We have the third killer revealed. I still wonder what made them so easy to get controlled by Kaneki.

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1 hour ago, sushilicious said:

So. We have the third killer revealed. I still wonder what made them so easy to get controlled by Kaneki.

 

They somehow bought into his "human rights" ideals and submitted to some "brainwashing" session? We can see that everyone that we know of that associated with that psychopath were broken people who've had traumatic experiences. I believe that Kaneki's following had been built on people's trauma and emotional weaknesses...

 

1 hour ago, msaamia said:

I seriously thought we would get a kiss between the leads or something because of the crazy stress between all the team members...I'm wishing way too much for a love story here...

 

 

I'm right here with you. I don't think the writer is pursuing any love story here (but rather teasing us once in a while with innuendos). I do think writer-nim knows we're shipping those two, and is happily playing with our emotions. Seriously, though: some Golden Team members are (not so happily) married. Please, let us see that the leads have feelings and emotions and a life outside of the sickening, twisted drama of these cases. Could we see KW and KJ bond beyond the need to contain Kousuke? 

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2 hours ago, msaamia said:

I seriously thought we would get a kiss between the leads or something because of the crazy stress between all the team members...I'm wishing way too much for a love story here...

37 minutes ago, lilyphenix said:

I'm right here with you. I don't think the writer is pursuing any love story here (but rather teasing us once in a while with innuendos). I do think writer-nim knows we're shipping those two, and is happily playing with our emotions. Seriously, though: some Golden Team members are (not so happily) married. Please, let us see that the leads have feelings and emotions and a life outside of the sickening, twisted drama of these cases. Could we see KW and KJ bond beyond the need to contain Kousuke? 

 

 

Don't forget about me too :bawling:

We, KW x KJ shippers had never rest since the first episode of Voice 2. 

If there was not a word of "romance" in the drama genre description released by OCN, we can only dream about their love story. OCN would never go to that direction.. and here's where I am most grateful to all other shippers who made all those KW x KJ videos. :kiss_wink:

 

The writer and the director really know how to play with shipper's heart. They just teased us here and there with sudden romance hint gesture at unexpected situation, but never delve further. Haaaaaa... again, I'm having love-hate relationship with the writer. :heart::heartbreak:

 

Their first encounter that made me excited:

 

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And their second encounter that forever imprints in my heart and the mark of my journey as KW x KJ shipper. I went crazy over this scene and I don't know how many times have I watched this part over and over again. :phew:

 

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And of course, not to forget that legendary "shoot me, I don't care" scene at the basement. 

Huargh!

Writer-nim and Director-nim really having fun toying with all the shippers' hearts. 

 

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6 hours ago, ellelyana88 said:

So the cycle of enduring another week is starting again. 

At the time of desperation to know what's next of a drama like this, I always wish that if only I was one of those who works behind the drama production, especially the editor. I would be the luckiest person to know in advance about all the plots. :joy:

 

Wow! I like your thoughts... I too thought that Kaneki and the old man could be KW brother and father. As what you stated the two descriptions on what exactly happened to both of them contradicted what KW remember and what stated. 

 

After watching ep12, I thought ok not again with Chief Na getting kidnapped. I hope he will be saved and be alive. It will very sad if they killed off his character this time in s3. 

He is sooo concerned about KW in this season. 

 

Kaneki's smile is very scary.. Oh my! The moment he smiled, I get the chills and goosebumps. Pure evil smile. 

 

I don't know what Detective Park was trying to say when he approached KJ after he found about KW illness. I thought to myself maybe he wanted to say that we would help to get over his illness as I don't think he would have ill thought on KW. He looked very concerned based studying on his face. 

 

We got 4 episodes to go and another countdown for this weekend.. Aiyo!!!! 

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I just watched the eng sub and I found some highlight (ones that bothering me:sweat_smile:) in this episode

 

1. I kinda sure the old man in the car from S2 someway related with DKW, either in Sokpo Alternative or family relative (father).

2. Detective Kwang Soo has been very cool in the recent episodes:joy::joy::joy:

3. Detective Park truly care for KW, I hope if it's happy ending, detective Park could be a person like Chief Na's brother to KW.

4. This keep bothering me, Kaneki always switches smile to sad/serious look IN FRONT OF PEOPLE, like if I'm one of the Kanekist around him I would notice his change of facial expression but it's like no one notice that (he doesn't even look down when he switches face). So I guess either every single Kanekist have been brainwashed, too fond of him too notice, or are the member of the dark web too.

5. Turns out it's true there's another one (maybe more) 'lighter holder', maybe it's the big guy that making the lighter sound at HQ that Chef Na heard in episode 8 since he got in easily in this episode, not the IT guy.

6. The part when KJ receives text from forensic team, to me it seem like the writer-nim trying again to push KJ to doubt KW. When will this end:rolleyes:

7. When Chef Na said "Let's continue when I get back" to KJ, my mind immediately think "oh boy this gonna be the end" :bawling:

8. I have a guess that the big guy will be killed by Kaneki following episode bcs he was caught spotted at Blackhole, since Koichi was killed bcs he went to the club.

 

9. One thing that bothering me the most since it's first revealed is the diagnosis of KW, antisocial personality disorder (ASPD). I study psychology and when I watch the episode it puzzled me so much. His showed symptom is not of ASPD (Kaneki and BJS is, even MTG is with mixed of schizophrenia).

 

ASPD people tend to not have sympathy, empathy. They don't show 'true' sympathy to another. KW is. He's showing sympathy for KJ, DK, victims, etc, (people with ASPD doesn't acknowledge the sense of guilt), he truly cares for every life he saves, for KJ, for GTT, for Chief Na. People with ASPD also lack of responsibility, KW while using unusual way in solving case, clearly seen he is one with responsibility. And people with ASPD also lack of anxiety, while we all know, all episodes in this season filled with KW anxiety of what he become.

 

And watching latest episode made me realize that it would be more logic if they diagnosed him with schizophrenia, hence the dreams, hallucination, and the triggering bloody ear. I have no objection yet tho in DID bcs it can explain why he doesn't remember what Kousuke did (or could be because what Kaneki gave to him).

 

But please correct me if I'm wrong, I'm just a student after all. And it's just a drama after all:joy:

 

Fyi: ASPD and psychopathy is someway similar but different, and from what I learn we could say that KW have psychopath traits, but I'm not sure he's one of ASPD. Not all criminals is psychopaths AND not all psychopaths is criminals.

 

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Yes I still squeaked like a fangirl every time I rewatch the car scene for next episode trailer. ITS SO COOL:joy::joy::joy::heart:

 

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Thoughts after watching the latest 2 episodes:

 

DKW:

DKW's teeth is too scary. We shall all stay away from his mouth.  :lol:

 

It's heartbreaking when Detective Park talked to DKW outside his unit.

I lost it when he said he will accompany him to a hospital together if he's sick. Awwww.. Detective Park! :tears:

He was also upset when his Team Leader Do quit the force and then he was so upset when he heard about the "child murder".

That fierce loyalty.... please don't give up on our psycho Team Leader Do! 

 

Lighter guy:

His teeth.... his 2 faced. His psychopath smile..

Who's that on the dining table with him?

Uh-oh.. does he know what triggers DKW now?

 

Chief Na:

Poor Chief Na!!

Please don't let anything happen to him again!

DKW can't lose someone who cares for him again!

 

Aargh. The wait for next episode is gonna be a torture! :sweatingbullets:

 

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1 hour ago, Kiya Kiki said:

9. One thing that bothering me the most since it's first revealed is the diagnosis of KW, antisocial personality disorder (ASPD). I study psychology and when I watch the episode it puzzled me so much. His showed symptom is not of ASPD (Kaneki and BJS is, even MTG is with mixed of schizophrenia).

 

ASPD people tend to not have sympathy, empathy. They don't show 'true' sympathy to another. KW is. He's showing sympathy for KJ, DK, victims, etc, (people with ASPD doesn't acknowledge the sense of guilt), he truly cares for every life he saves, for KJ, for GTT, for Chief Na. People with ASPD also lack of responsibility, KW while using unusual way in solving case, clearly seen he is one with responsibility. And people with ASPD also lack of anxiety, while we all know, all episodes in this season filled with KW anxiety of what he become.

  

And watching latest episode made me realize that it would be more logic if they diagnosed him with schizophrenia, hence the dreams, hallucination, and the triggering bloody ear. I have no objection yet tho in DID bcs it can explain why he doesn't remember what Kousuke did (or could be because what Kaneki gave to him).

 

But please correct me if I'm wrong, I'm just a student after all. And it's just a drama after all:joy:

 

Fyi: ASPD and psychopathy is someway similar but different, and from what I learn we could say that KW have psychopath traits, but I'm not sure he's one of ASPD. Not all criminals is psychopaths AND not all psychopaths is criminals.

That god I'm not the only one. Actually, I'm kinda mad at the writer for the way she or the director are confusing the audience when talking about diagnoses. There are lots of things that just don't add up or are even misleading. When it comes to mental health it is really unfortunate when the media portrays the disorders in such a misleading way. KW doesn't fit ASPD, he's not a sociopath. He was never diagnosed properly to state that he is a psychopath yet they are treating him like one because his father might be one. If a parent was a psychopath it doesn't automatically mean that the children will be one. Yes, brain scans for some cases showed similar patterns to that of the parents but automatically diagnosing children with such a heavy diagnosis is ridiculous. I really dislike that they are still pushing this narrative because honestly, it's a dangerous statement for them to make. If you take into consideration how mental healthcare isn't the greatest in South Korea, such a narrative is unacceptable. What KW showed were symptoms of DID and some of the schizophrenia, yet the writer insists on psychopathy... :confused: KW is pitiful all around when even the writer likes to torture him. 

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2 hours ago, ellelyana88 said:

 

Their first encounter that made me excited:

 

And their second encounter that forever imprints in my heart and the mark of my journey as KW x KJ shipper. I went crazy over this scene and I don't know how many times have I watched this part over and over again. :phew:

And of course, not to forget that legendary "shoot me, I don't care" scene at the basement. 

Huargh!

Writer-nim and Director-nim really having fun toying with all the shippers' hearts. 

 

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I'm still not over when he put a bandage on her arm... It was so sweet how much he cared. Subtle skin to skin contact. And when he saw her again after being away for (9?) months, he was the first one to notice something was wrong with her hearing, and he kept asking her about it. If we pay attention we can see he's been keeping an eye on her and her health. :wub:

 

Quoting @mrsj3n:

Thoughts after watching the latest 2 episodes:

DKW:

DKW's teeth is too scary. We shall all stay away from his mouth.  

 

Stay away from his mouth? Why??! :lol: :P:lol:

 

 

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OCN posted this.. Nice if it has eng sub. 

 

2 hours ago, mtracy07 said:

Voice 3’s ratings are a bit lower compared to last season. 

Don't worry about the rating. OCN is a private tv channel. Its not like KBS, MBC, SBS where everyone can watch it for free. 

Nowadays I don't like to believe the rating soo much. A drama can have the highest rating and when you watch it, you don't enjoy watching it. There are many dramas that has good storylines and didn't get good rating cos people don't just understand the story or they go for the actors/actress. 

I do see who's acting but if I read the synopsis and find it worth to watch, I will go for it. I am telling you I made a lot of good choices by thinking like that.. 

 

Until ep12, I'm not sure what's KW illness as it could be this or that. I still think that its all connected to his childhood trauma from the moment Miho died. His condition became worst as he didn't go for proper help and instead relying on medicine in s1. This time something worst has happened to him in s2 whereby the time he spent in Japan (probably brainwashing) cause his schizophrenia to worsen from episode to episode. 

I think he should have known by now by taking medication is not going to help him unless he really goes see a proper doctor to treat his condition. 

 

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At this point, I’m thinking & suspecting that Na...Will die. I know...it’s bad for me to say it but I really have a deep impression that the writer will have to put Na down. 

 

Let me tell you why:

 

  • Natural Talent released

 

To me with Kaneki suggesting about ‘why he isn’t embracing the natural talent and trying to suppress it’. Gives a good indication that we will get to see KW letting lose. I sincerely believe that people like kaneki you can’t fight with him like usual criminal. He is smart & powerful. You got to be the same level as him to fight. Which KW has it. 

 

Bad dreams etc. Kinda a clear sign that he will... :( 

 

So like what S2 ending did stated about only when you lose someone then you will be awaken (honestly can’t remember the line) I think this is the only way..to allow KW to wake up and fight Kaneki. The crime is too organized. It’s quite near to impossible to gain information & evidence of them. So I think in order to win Kaneki, is to fight him one on one.

 

  • The way Na had Changed.

 

This is just me being a little suspicious. It’s quite a typical trope that some one changed for a better and dies off later. I’m just wishing that isn’t the case, but if the writer chose too..then..that’s it.

 

I think that this episode didn’t really show much of the meaning of the word awaken....the only thing that hits me hard is KW saying nothing stimulates him but he has the urge...it must be hard on him to suppress the urges in him...

     

    The list of Human Right, I think can be a clear answer to who the other killers are...

     

    I wonder what would Kaneki father in law feel to trust the murderer that murdered yukiko.lol

     

    sigh. I’m missing Kousuke again! @nateko :( *chew cookies* can you give be a cup of your drink? :joy:I’m sad that Kousuke didn’t appear much yesterday...I missed him already:persevere:

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    @sushilicious actually i am more worried that lighter guy will use Chief Na to bring our psycho Team Leader Do to the dark side.

    Either hurt him in front of him or make him lose control and kill Chief Na himself.

    Both don't look good and I really fear for my heart. :cry:

     

    @lilyphenix I'm having a little hearing problem. If he mumbles or whispers..  I can't hear him well so I don't want my ears near him. :yum:

     

    @sheelatpsfm actually I still think that because he has been overdosing himself or he was fed some psychotic meds that caused hallucination and worsen his condition.  :fearful:

     

    @nateko and @Kiya Kiki I may have forgotten. Who did the diagnosis for him? Or the assessed him just by seeing how he reacts or how he wanted them to see?

    Perhaps the writers are trying to show the perceptions of what the society will reacts?

     

    Remember episode 10? When the ex-con's fiancee was missing, everyone has their "tinted glasses" on and quickly deem he is responsible and etc?

    Sadly, that's human nature. Most will judge based on past or skin colour or social status. :anguished:

     

    @ellelyana88 WOW. Just wow! Always love reading your thoughts!

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    Side note. I love how different drama re-use a certain venue for the whole mystery effect and successfully make me scared of stairs.:joy:

    I've seen it in Children of Nobody(when CWK was hypnotized to unlock the missing memories in her head), The Fiery Priest (When Father Kim went to meet Scarface) and now Voice 3

     

    Shippers note:

    I'm also another shipper for our Kang Centre and Team Leader Do to get together!

     

    Since JH is out of the picture... I like the chemistry these 2 have been giving us.

     

    I waited 7 seasons for Jaime and Brienne (from Games of Thrones) to kiss... I don't think I can wait that long for DKW and KKJ to kiss anymore. LOL 

     

    So please... Just kiss already!! :glasses:

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    29 minutes ago, mrsj3n said:

    Side note. I love how different drama re-use a certain venue for the whole mystery effect and successfully make me scared of stairs.:joy:

    About that stairs...If Kaneki turns to his left and enter the empty stage. He will have reach the fighting of Hae Il in FP. Was honestly hella shock when i saw those stairs hahahaha

     

    29 minutes ago, mrsj3n said:

    actually i am more worried that lighter guy will use Chief Na to bring our psycho Team Leader Do to the dark side.

    Either hurt him in front of him or make him lose control and kill Chief Na himself.

    Both don't look good and I really fear for my heart

    Funny enough i was thinking about Na getting tortured in front of KW too. But Kaneki...I think he would make things worst and go for the kill instead... neither way...i just feel like Na will not survive.. :(

     

    I don't think the medicine caused him to have what he had gone through...i feel that medicine only takes effect if you have it..Based on his symptoms occurring somehow immediately at times where he did not consume medicine..im kind of siding to mental illnesses that is causing him this...

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    @sushilicious I hope Chief Na is safe.

    If he has to go, I hope it is a quick death and DKW will not witness it!

    But I don't think it is possible because we all know how writers love to play with our detective's life. :cry:

    It is like no one is actually safe!

     

    I'm gonna stick to overdose hence fried his brain.

    Because those pills are forbidden and illegal.:joy:

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    @sushilicious I'll prepare a special drink for you since you're missing Kousuke so much :mrgreen: BTW I think you don't have to wait long, there's gonna be plenty of Kousuke and other psychos in the last 4 episodes. What's with the cute KW profile pic? Are you cheating on Kousuke because he didn't pay a visit this week? :lol:

     

    Some goodies, since I'm here

    Yukiko's and psycho's wedding pictures

    BTS pics

    Cuties

     

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    1 hour ago, mrsj3n said:

    Side note. I love how different drama re-use a certain venue for the whole mystery effect and successfully make me scared of stairs.:joy:

    I've seen it in Children of Nobody(when CWK was hypnotized to unlock the missing memories in her head), The Fiery Priest (When Father Kim went to meet Scarface) and now Voice 3

     

    Yeah, I was shocked too seeing that same venue with stairs after FP abd Children of Nobody. I think that is a hot venue to represent someone's mental state? Like CWK was entering the hypnosis to search for her locked past memories in Children of Nobody, Kim Hae Il dropping his priest title and went berserk with scarface, and in Voice 3, it is the psychopath's hideout. :sweatingbullets:

     

    1 hour ago, mrsj3n said:

    I waited 7 seasons for Jaime and Brienne (from Games of Thrones) to kiss... I don't think I can wait that long for DKW and KKJ to kiss anymore. LOL

     

    LOL! I am still upset at Jaime for leaving Brienne to protect his so-called queen. Ah! 

     

    Anyway, using God's Quiz as reference, in which season did Doctor Han making his move to Detective Kang? Was it in season 3 that Det. Kang officially his GF? And then it took another 2 seasons for him to propose! 

     

    I would be over the moon if the ending of this season shows some budding love scene between the two of them. Even though there will be no kiss scene, at least a scene hinting us that they would be some love story as side plot next season. Just give us the damn hugging scene already! Hahahahaha. Am I asking too much? :tounge_xd:

     

     

    About KW's ASPD , I agree that the drama should be careful when portraying the right symptoms for the diagnosis they claim of. I also agree that the media always tends to exaggerate one point about the particular illness and deliberately ignore the other point (s). Misleading information or narration would cause the society to go astray in correctly perceiving about mental illness. 

    However, I think KW's diagnosis was when he was young when his mother brought him to psychiatrist after moving to Korea. He was affected by the incident in Japan and I suspect has since isolate himself from socializing and had rude and disregard of others behaviour as he was losing all his trust to people after being the subject of people's hatred in Japan. So, I think the psychiatrist at that time made the statement in the certificate that he had "POSSIBLE ASPD". And the way the GT team took that "possible" out of context and emphasized on him being the sociopath had really derail the trust between the members and throwing them off vulnerable to Kaneki's plots and traps. Since joining GTT, KW has been positively progressing though, although the explosion finally triggered /awakened something in him. He need another examination and real diagnosis of his current condition. All the doctors they have been asking advice from were just making their statement based on the old diagnosis anyway. So, it could be misleading in every way.

     

    Amidst all the things about KW's condition going astray, I appreciate the writer include the scene where KJ reaching out to the old coroner to find a way to help KW. As the coroner said, this is not just a personal problem, but the society's problem at large which still unsupportive and sceptical of keeping someone diagnosed with mental illness in an organization / to continue working. The stereotype the society has towards individual with mental illness had always been the cause of these people could not be functioned in the society and being isolated, although their illness is treatable / manageable. The scene where the old coroner's giving advice to KJ, though he couldn't come up with one good solution, is essential to tell us viewers and particularly the Korean society to open themselves up to be aware of mental illness and work toward acknowledging the people suffering from it could still contribute to the organization or their workplace.

    Well, the stereotype is not only happened in Korea, but many other parts in the world where people still wary about getting psychiatric treatment, fearing to be labelled as simply crazy and lose their social life and job.

     

    I hope the world would become better with proper message or correct information and right portrayal of different mental illness from the media. 

    :grimace:

     

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    @ellelyana88 Nope. You are not asking too much because you asked for a hug while I asked for a kiss. LOL

     

    If there's gonna be a Voice 4 and they change the male lead and again sinking our shipper's heart.. I'm gonna flip the table! 

    OCN can do romance.. they just need to make some of us happy! B)

     

    And as always, 

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    I like the way you think.

     

    Be careful. Lighter guy might want your brain to complete his art pieces. :lol:

     

    On serious note,  I do agree with you as well. Prejudice and stereotyping is real in the real world. 

    So I also think that young DKW is a victim who had witnessed the unspeakable and hence suffered trauma and became anti social and at the same time, locked up that traumatic experience away.

    I wish he can just go to a hospital to get help already.

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