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CS could be a standalone char or CM. But what if CS had to undergo plastic surgery cos accident or something when he was young, hence the diff face, no? Lol

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Firefly is the captain and he is not Chan Sung. I am confident firefly is not finding his way to the afterlife. There will be hell to pay for him which he deserves. I am not sure how our brilliant writers are going to redeem this character's character. 

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50 minutes ago, ktcjdrama said:

The coffin JMW was dragging never contain any body... only of trinkets from dead people she killed or got killed because of her. 

 

As for CS being the reincarnation of CM, I am in the camp of that not happening. I doubt the writers/producers would make it so complicated by using a different face when the others have appeared with the same face. 

My best guess for now, the tree is CM. In the past we speculated that it was YW, but now that YW appeared in modern days, the tree could be CM. 

 

Hi chingu! 

 

I agree. No bodies were in the coffin. When it was opened, there were objects which I believed belong to the ones who were killed because of her. I think perhaps her gang which may means her whole gang was killed except her. 

 

I also still believe that CS is not a reincarnation of Captain. I believe captain is the firefly shadow we saw in ep 9. CS is his own person and his love for MW belongs to him in this lifetime ;) 

 

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2 hours ago, mei yang said:

just see some news said part of this drama copied a chinese drama named goodbye, my princess.and others also copied different chinese and Japanese  dramas.it is not the first time the writers of this drama copied chinese and japanese dramas. Copy is a s.h.*t. disgusting

I've seen Goodbye My Prncess and there's no similarity so far unless they make CM the good guy who was forced into something to save his kingdom and met MW and wanted to used her but fell in love later on and if YW was also into the plan all along to save her. Actually there was also a scene in GMP where the princess was waiting for the prince in her room after the wedding she's also wearing the red clothing and when the prince arrived she took the knife out as a sign that she won't let him touch her because of his betrayal. Okay while I'm writing this I'm starting to see and remember a lot of similarities between the two oh nooo but it's mostly on the past story of HDL and the plot of GMP..but I don't think Hong Sisters copied it though (I really hope) maybe it was just a coincidence or they were inspired by it or what..

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About the lunar eclipse:

 

If we based on the summer season  occurring in the drama,  it's possible that the story timeline of episode 11 is between early June and late July 2018 (few days/weeks before the total lunar eclipse). 

Because the last total eclipse visible in Korea happened on July 28, 2018 and  it's on the summer season in Korea (June 21 - September 23  2018).  

The total lunar eclipse in Korea also happened 39 years ago in September 6, 1979 (in terms of Korean calendar) and September 17, 1978 (in terms of Western calendar) .

--> if this is the correct timeline,  then we're going to have a time jump 

 

An eclipse symbolizes

- beginnings 

- endings

- culminations (climax)

- clean slates (new start)

 

- in some cultures / religion, it's considered as a bad omen (i'm praying it's not gonna happen) 

 

 

P. S.

 

Based from hints and clues including the previous episodes,  we have to brace ourselves for the upcoming episodes. (we might prepare some/more tissues as well)

 

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31 minutes ago, ktcjdrama said:

The coffin JMW was dragging never contain any body... only of trinkets from dead people she killed or got killed because of her. 

 

As for CS being the reincarnation of CM, I am in the camp of that not happening. I doubt the writers/producers would make it so complicated by using a different face when the others have appeared with the same face. 

My best guess for now, the tree is CM. In the past we speculated that it was YW, but now that YW appeared in modern days, the tree could be CM. 

 

I was on the same track at you. The coffin held the only things she could recover/carry of the people who had died... there were too many.

As for what many people are saying about the firefly's and CS and CM. The firefly is definitely someone's soul, as to who it is, I say that there is a strong possibility that it is CM. In the first episode when MG took the coffin, all of the firefly's representing the souls all followed her, except for one, which turned back to stay. It could be he stayed out of guilt and longing for what he lost with her due to  his actions. 

But one of the main reasons that I think that CS is not CM is how they act and treat her. My impression of CM was that he was trying to seduce her, but was very hands off with what she did. Note that he does not really stop her for the most part, he lets her do what she wants, even if it could destroy her. He holds himself back from fully loving MW even though it hurts her.  Where CS does not hold himself back. If he thinks she should stop what she is doing because it is bad for her and will hurt her, he makes her stop even though it hurts himself. Because saving her is more important than himself. These attributes of CS and CM are part of their innate character, so no matter if they reincarnate and can't remember, they will have certain traits that get passed on. For example, MR is still selfish in a way and just likes to take things even if they are not hers. (i.e. stealing money and sanchez pottery) And I bet we can say the same about YW as well. There are things about his character that will always be the same no matter what life they are living. Though the circumstances of the life will determine if they become positive or negative. Thus CM would always act as CM, but CS is not the same as CM in how he approaches things, and he does not abandon people he cares for, no matter what. Look, he still takes care of his ex-girlfriend despite not being in a relationship with her. CM though, he abandoned MW. Even if it was in the name of protecting her, he did abandon her. 

 

As for what will happen at the end between CS and MW, It has crossed my mind at times that if she left to the afterlife, I could see him following her so she did not have to go alone. He is afraid of her leaving, suggesting how strong his attachment is to her. 

And that could be the reason he was chosen by MG for MW, she knew that MW needed someone righteous who could steer her in the right direction and would not abandon her. Though how far he is willing to following will need to be seen.

 

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5 hours ago, rocher22 said:

'' it seems like you already stole what you were here for ''...

I had no idea such a plain and short sentence can sound so sweet and sexy, until it was spoken by CM.

 

 

After readings from first page actually there's many descriptions about the firefly Captain..yes CM was a  leader of Goryeo rebellion who's need to united Goryeo clan, like we knew MW and the thieves gangs need to joints.

So with all the description i sure  MW deep grieving and Sin is because She killed someone who's protected her Clans and the Lead of the rebellion Army .

God .can wait what's  happened behind the bloody bride room.

Actually the Writers already have concrete Map what make MW get such big Sin, her grudge made Someone Who love her, the leader of her clan the protectors of Goryeo peasant died in her hands..?.:tears:

We not ckear whatever she killed CM or not at that night..

So Where's CM...

So who is GCS?

Dunno how writers will prevail the story, like we learn from another drama there's always chances the story's would change for shake of ratings when we watching drama in real time production like HDL.

Just hope the writers stays solid to tell their story's without any interrupted from another issues .

Since from start so many plagiarism claim landed .

 

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35 minutes ago, guinearoyal said:

As for what will happen at the end between CS and MW, It has crossed my mind at times that if she left to the afterlife, I could see him following her so she did not have to go alone. He is afraid of her leaving, suggesting how strong his attachment is to her. 

And that could be the reason he was chosen by MG for MW, she knew that MW needed someone righteous who could steer her in the right direction and would not abandon her. Though how far he is willing to following will need to be seen.

 

If the writers will really choose to send MW to the afterlife it would be better if CS will go with her. I can't think of any satisfying ending aside from that if they choose not to let MW time to start ticking again as a human and be with CS. Plus a Goblin type of ending is a big no no for this couple :lol:

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2 hours ago, jasminssiii said:

I've seen Goodbye My Prncess and there's no similarity so far unless they make CM the good guy who was forced into something to save his kingdom and met MW and wanted to used her but fell in love later on and if YW was also into the plan all along to save her. Actually there was also a scene in GMP where the princess was waiting for the prince in her room after the wedding she's also wearing the red clothing and when the prince arrived she took the knife out as a sign that she won't let him touch her because of his betrayal. Okay while I'm writing this I'm starting to see and remember a lot of similarities between the two oh nooo but it's mostly on the past story of HDL and the plot of GMP..but I don't think Hong Sisters copied it though (I really hope) maybe it was just a coincidence or they were inspired by it or what..

 

Honestly, I don’t think similarities account for solid copying. Unless this story was copied plot by plot, scenes by scenes and etc, then it can be accounted for copying (plagerism). As we watch dramas we may notice similarities and differences but it doesn’t necessarily mean it was copied piece by piece. Sometimes they even use similar plot devices which we can claim as cliches but that doesn’t mean it’s copying. I also haven’t heard of the Hong sisters copying from other dramas either. I think writers do take inspiration and turn it to their own but that doesn’t mean it is plagiarism. 

 

We still have yet to see how the story truly unfolds ;) 

 

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@uglypearl very interesting piece about the total lunar eclipse. I am expecting angst and even possible temporary separation but what I don’t want is TIME JUMP! 

 

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For all that MW has gone through, i want her to have a happy ending with CS. But seeing that she existed 1000 years ago, i have no idea how the writers are going to make it possible. If her time stopped then when she flows again, she should be able to become human again. If Mago can play and twist fates then they can make MW human again too. 

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, vangsweetie637 said:

 

Honestly, I don’t think similarities account for solid copying. Unless this story was copied plot by plot, scenes by scenes and etc, then it can be accounted for copying (plagerism). As we watch dramas we may notice similarities and differences but it doesn’t necessarily mean it was copied piece by piece. Sometimes they even use similar plot devices which we can claim as cliches but that doesn’t mean it’s copying. I also haven’t heard of the Hong sisters copying from other dramas either. I think writers do take inspiration and turn it to their own but that doesn’t mean it is plagiarism. 

 

We still have yet to see how the story truly unfolds ;) 

 

 

True..For now I'll just go with the "they were inspired by it" idea :lol:

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6 hours ago, mei yang said:

just see some news said part of this drama copied a chinese drama named goodbye, my princess.and others also copied different chinese and Japanese  dramas.it is not the first time the writers of this drama copied chinese and japanese dramas. Copy is a s.h.*t. disgusting

I saw goodbye my princess and though there is a thematic similarity in one aspect IF character motivations play out the same way, that would certainly not be enough to say it was copied or plagiarized.  Maybe don't spread this kind of thing as if it is true?

 

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As for what will happen at the end between CS and MW, It has crossed my mind at times that if she left to the afterlife, I could see him following her so she did not have to go alone. He is afraid of her leaving, suggesting how strong his attachment is to her. 

And that could be the reason he was chosen by MG for MW, she knew that MW needed someone righteous who could steer her in the right direction and would not abandon her. Though how far he is willing to following will need to be seen.

 

I did a previous post on The Golden Bough and how the Hong Sisters are riffing on this ritual to moon goddess Diana.  I won't go into it again (though every episode emphasizes it) but the Moon Tree is Man Wol but also The Golden Bough.  Diana, Goddess of the Moon, is the tree.  In Roman myth, Aeneas breaks off a golden bough from this tree.  Why?  Because it allows entry and exit to human beings to the underworld.

 

So my thought is that MW might die or leave for the afterlife but leave behind a flower, leaf, sprig.  Whereupon CS, armed with his golden bough, goes after her and brings her back to live out her full 'living' lifespan.

 

Nice, huh?  It will maintain complete consistency with the Diana/Golden Bough mythos they've drawn inspiration from and provide us all with a happy ending.

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please ask  more from her , she willing to sell her soul :joy: ( we need some romance , personally I’m losing my patience @lu09 & @sadthe1st :mrgreen: ) 

 

 

 

 

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There is something vague abaut manwol existance.. Whether she a spirit or just froze in time.. Based on what the mean mago said she can vanish as a spirit but manwol said she existing and not dead.. Also the flower mago indicate when the flower bloom her time will start again so i guess she can die now that the tree blooming right.. The flower wilt and so is manwol time on earth thats why i guess chansung look sad seeing the flower start blooming cause in the end he knew he will send her away........... :tears:

 

The grim reaper also confirm that chansung will be the one that send manwol away so i guess its a possibility of this kind of ending but we also have that pink mago and flower mago thats so soft for manwol.. Considering a love for the first time in a 1000 years old will make them find a way to give manwol her happys ending (even mira going to get that).. 

 

I think it will hit chansung so hard if he need to send manwol away cause he truly care and love her in a way he willing to give manwol his life in ep8.. Manwol will sacrifice her 1000. Year grudge to make sure he's okay and i don't doubt she wiling to vanish to protect him.. I agree their chemistry is not a full blown spark but a very slow burn that actually make us felt how they care about each other..... Just please give us a sattisfying ending and a justice one for chansung and manwol..

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9 hours ago, mei yang said:

just see some news said part of this drama copied a chinese drama named goodbye, my princess.and others also copied different chinese and Japanese  dramas.it is not the first time the writers of this drama copied chinese and japanese dramas. Copy is a s.h.*t. disgusting

 

"Nothing is new under the sun" - Ecclessiastes, some 2000+ years ago

Plagiarism is a terrible act, and they can take the Hong Sisters to court if they have enough evidence (they actually got sued but got cleared for Hwayugi - a very clear modern adaptation of the Journey to the West that I think the plagiarism claim is silly)

I haven't seen Goodbye My Princess (thanks @jasminssiii for the scene description), but I think brides killing grooms on their wedding night for vengeance must be a common trope. If there is something more similar to MW and CM's scene where MW pretended to be someone else, maybe it would be Thor pretending to be a bride to a giant to get his hammer back and then killing the giant (this story is around the 15th century). I'm sure we will find tons of other similar stories for every scene in HDL if we just want to nitpick.

And the Hong Sisters are pretty overt in their "copying" that I think they treat of it more of as homage to their favorite stories, most of their dramas are "fanfictions" of other stories (chunhyang, couple or trouble, hong gil dong, warm and cozy), and they also love using themes within (Little Mermaid in Gumiho, Beauty and the Beast here, probably lots more). @brielover had also been talking about the adaptation of the themes of the Golden Bough. So yeah, if there was really plagiarism involved, they better take it to court instead of just being malicious online

I also think that an important thing is that HDL executes their themes (whether you think it is copied or not) BEAUTIFULLY on screen, which could not be said about other shows/adaptations

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If it's a secret romance, then the one who will realize it first is Yuna. And of course the bartender will be the last to know. Ah, I wonder how everyone will react about their relationship from the Grim Reaper, the hotel gank, and of course Mago.

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2 hours ago, aria26 said:

 

"Nothing is new under the sun" - Ecclessiastes, some 2000+ years ago

And the Hong Sisters are pretty overt in their "copying" that I think they treat of it more of as homage to their favorite stories,

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. I was so thrilled with IU looking like Audrey Hepburn in the drama. It gives me the sense that the Hong Sisters drew from a wide area which influenced their work, from fairy tales to Greek mythology to good ole American classics. Kudos to them! 

 

@jen459, thanks for pointing out that the Hong Sisters held onto this story for 13 years. Amazing level of persistence to share their tale with us. Did they say why they held on so long? 

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I agree with @aria26CMIIW but I read somewhere that the Hong Sisters held onto this story for 13 years. And that this story precedes Masters Sun. So technically they possibly had the scene in mind first.  But we the audience is only seeing it in 2019. Almost every drama has some small resemblance from other dramas. That doesn’t mean it’s plagiarism. Pepperoni pizza is served everywhere in the world. It may be a little different but they’re all pepperoni pizza. Does it mean everyone is copying each other? Sorry for the bad analogy. Getting hungry here.  And btw Hotel Del Luna has the best “toppings”.

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It seems ghouls, lost spirits, and negative entities are roaming the social media... possibly escaped occupants of Room 13.  Trolling the social media sites yakking about plagiarism and copying of story ... threatened much? because HDL is at it's peak of popularity.

 

Does anyone have exclusive  copyright to quicksand scenes? I mean I've seen those in even the most ancient movies I can remember , even in black & white hollywood movies reruns.

 

These trolls, just wait til you cross path with Ma Go the 4.

 

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