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@Ondine

Those were my faves too especially the one that mentioned how Chan-Sung's gf was a leech from her other drama Sky Castle - I said that out loud while watching actually ha-ha! :lol:

 

@vangsweetie637

You got it right though & it's how I interpret it as well.. I think she meant that when viewing it (the ocean) with someone special/or someone you like makes it (the memory) more beautiful/meaningful. Which is why Man-Weol said this to Chan-Sung... The view is even more beautiful because you are here...

And as you also mentioned, she's afraid of feeling too much joy as sadness often awaits whenever it does.. Oh man someone's been cutting them onions again!! :tears::unsure::(

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I thought I'd do a mythology post because the Hong Sisters are very pointedly using The Golden Bough and its description of the Diana ritual at Nemi as inspiration.  The Golden Bough is a book written by James Frazier that tries to show that a particular myth and ritual of a dying but reborn king/queen, correlating to the harvest, can be found in myths everywhere in the world.

 

The golden bough itself was a branch from a tree that allowed heroes of the past to enter the underworld. This is the branch - variously also symbolic of a quilled pen, an arrow, or simply a branch - that cuts through the moon brooches that the Hotel del Luna employees wear.

 

Man Weol, whose name means full moon, who identifies herself continuously with the moon from Moon River in Breakfast at Tiffany's to a space mission to the moon to actually saying I am the moon or the moon belongs to me, is inspired by Diana, Roman goddess of the moon.  Other moon goddesses go into her portrayal too but I'm saying Diana in particular because of her ritual, which I'll get to in a moment.I

 

Diana is always portrayed as a young virgin huntress, a tripartite goddess - of the woods and wild animals, of the moon, and of the underworld.  She sometimes also absorbed the qualities of Laverna, goddess of thieves and outlaws because they operated at night.  After we initially see MW in the first episode,  we next see her with drawn bow - the archer, the huntress, the thief.  We also see her affiliated with wild animals almost in the first ghost case - the tiger, which she returns to its home.  We know she is affiliated with the underworld or afterlife, just as Diana was, a guide at the crossroads between life and death.

 

But the tree is where this gets really interesting.  From the most ancient of days, there was a forest grove at Nemi in Italy called Diana's grove where a real life ritual took place.  One tree in particular (from which the golden bough is broken) is actually a stand in for Diana herself.  A priest called the King in the Woods is symbolically married to this tree, is Diana's knight and protector as well as her priest, and is killed by his replacement.

 

So I'm just going to enumerate how closely the Hong Sisters have tied in the hiring of Chan Sung as manager for Man Well to the replacement of a new priest-king for Diana:

1. A branch from the tree must be broken, signalling a challenger.  This is what CS's father did unbeknownst to himself.  Also, CS's father was a thief - his proper goddess is Diana/Laverna.  Lastly, that snake that followed him - snakes are almost universally a symbol of rebirth because they shed their skins.  CS's father does die and is reborn - and the ritual at Nemi is all about resurrection

2. The challenger must be a runaway slave.  Now where would you find one of those in the modern age?  The Hong Sisters make Man Weol actually buy CS from his dad!  Not only that, but when the time comes, CS actually ran away!  He was gone longer than his 20 year contractual promise.  When he finally takes up his position, he could technically be called a runaway slave.

3. The challenger kills the current priest-king ( manager) in single combat.  CS does not do so, but nevertheless the Hong Sisters make sure to show us that Manager Oh dies.  He does not retire as he wanted to do; he has to die before CS can take up his position.

4. The new King of the Woods (manager) is technically married to the tree, which is Diana herself.

 

I had posted at Drama Beans a few of my suspicions about Diana and Man Weol.  I also identify Ma Go quite strongly with the goddess Hecate, another many-faced goddess like Diana.  But as Ma Go says in episode 6, there are more than 3 of her (she is not merely the 3 Fates), so while I believe the Hong Sisters are drawing very strongly upon Diana and Hecate for inspiration, they are also telling us , as Frazier does in The Golden Bough, that these stories have echoes and reverberations across cultures.  

 

Still, I don't think we can go wrong by looking at the men in the goddess Diana's life to seek clues as to the roles Yeon Woo and Historical Hottie might have played in MW's past.  

 

 

 

 

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Hello.. I'm new to this thread...I rarely post something on any thread but I'm really curious about the piano instrumental that Played in minute 22.45

 

I remember listening the song version before, and I think it's the ost from old drama...but I forget from which dramas or the singer name...it's beautiful and calming song...

 

Anyone here knows that song?

Thank you

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35 minutes ago, nisfii said:

Hello.. I'm new to this thread...I rarely post something on any thread but I'm really curious about the piano instrumental that Played in minute 22.45

 

I remember listening the song version before, and I think it's the ost from old drama...but I forget from which dramas or the singer name...it's beautiful and calming song...

 

Anyone here knows that song?

Thank you

 

It's from the OST of Tree of Heaven, titled His Whistle!

 

 

 

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Busy weekend and I am only catching up to the latest episodes.

Another irony....

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The character that Kim Yoo Jung plays in Moon Embraces the Sun with YJG as the young male lead was called ...Yeon Woo....

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Holy Moly - it just hit me.....

https://mythology.net/greek/greek-gods/the-fates/

Composed of three sisters—Clotho, Lachesis and Atropos—the Fates were a trinity of goddesses. They were the personifications of man’s life and destiny. These three immortals decided man’s fate as a singular force: his life, lifespan and death. Consequently, they were in control of the past, the present and the future. They were not only feared and respected by mortals—they were also in control of the fates of the gods.

The Fates controlled the birth, death and lifespan of all gods and mortals. Every time a child was born, it was believed that the Fates would visit them three days after and decide whether the child should live. As soon as a child was born, the threads that the sisters used to determine life began to be spun. Each of the sisters had different roles. Clotho weaved the web of life from her distaff onto her roll, referred to as the Book of Fate. Lachesis would mature these threads to determine how long each life would last using her measuring staff. She would also point this staff at Horoscopes on the globe. Atropos decided exactly how someone was going to die using and would use shears to cut the thread when the time came. Atropos translates as “inevitable”. She was also the eldest and the wisest of the Three Sisters.

 

 

 

When I saw that scene with the red thread and scissors - those scissors which could only belong to a deity...

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8 hours ago, brielover said:

I thought I'd do a mythology post because the Hong Sisters are very pointedly using The Golden Bough and its description of the Diana ritual at Nemi as inspiration.  The Golden Bough is a book written by James Frazier that tries to show that a particular myth and ritual of a dying but reborn king/queen, correlating to the harvest, can be found in myths everywhere in the world.

 

The golden bough itself was a branch from a tree that allowed heroes of the past to enter the underworld. This is the branch - variously also symbolic of a quilled pen, an arrow, or simply a branch - that cuts through the moon brooches that the Hotel del Luna employees wear.

 

Man Weol, whose name means full moon, who identifies herself continuously with the moon from Moon River in Breakfast at Tiffany's to a space mission to the moon to actually saying I am the moon or the moon belongs to me, is inspired by Diana, Roman goddess of the moon.  Other moon goddesses go into her portrayal too but I'm saying Diana in particular because of her ritual, which I'll get to in a moment.I

 

Diana is always portrayed as a young virgin huntress, a tripartite goddess - of the woods and wild animals, of the moon, and of the underworld.  She sometimes also absorbed the qualities of Laverna, goddess of thieves and outlaws because they operated at night.  After we initially see MW in the first episode,  we next see her with drawn bow - the archer, the huntress, the thief.  We also see her affiliated with wild animals almost in the first ghost case - the tiger, which she returns to its home.  We know she is affiliated with the underworld or afterlife, just as Diana was, a guide at the crossroads between life and death.

 

But the tree is where this gets really interesting.  From the most ancient of days, there was a forest grove at Nemi in Italy called Diana's grove where a real life ritual took place.  One tree in particular (from which the golden bough is broken) is actually a stand in for Diana herself.  A priest called the King in the Woods is symbolically married to this tree, is Diana's knight and protector as well as her priest, and is killed by his replacement.

 

So I'm just going to enumerate how closely the Hong Sisters have tied in the hiring of Chan Sung as manager for Man Well to the replacement of a new priest-king for Diana:

1. A branch from the tree must be broken, signalling a challenger.  This is what CS's father did unbeknownst to himself.  Also, CS's father was a thief - his proper goddess is Diana/Laverna.  Lastly, that snake that followed him - snakes are almost universally a symbol of rebirth because they shed their skins.  CS's father does die and is reborn - and the ritual at Nemi is all about resurrection

2. The challenger must be a runaway slave.  Now where would you find one of those in the modern age?  The Hong Sisters make Man Weol actually buy CS from his dad!  Not only that, but when the time comes, CS actually ran away!  He was gone longer than his 20 year contractual promise.  When he finally takes up his position, he could technically be called a runaway slave.

3. The challenger kills the current priest-king ( manager) in single combat.  CS does not do so, but nevertheless the Hong Sisters make sure to show us that Manager Oh dies.  He does not retire as he wanted to do; he has to die before CS can take up his position.

4. The new King of the Woods (manager) is technically married to the tree, which is Diana herself.

 

I had posted at Drama Beans a few of my suspicions about Diana and Man Weol.  I also identify Ma Go quite strongly with the goddess Hecate, another many-faced goddess like Diana.  But as Ma Go says in episode 6, there are more than 3 of her (she is not merely the 3 Fates), so while I believe the Hong Sisters are drawing very strongly upon Diana and Hecate for inspiration, they are also telling us , as Frazier does in The Golden Bough, that these stories have echoes and reverberations across cultures.  

 

Still, I don't think we can go wrong by looking at the men in the goddess Diana's life to seek clues as to the roles Yeon Woo and Historical Hottie might have played in MW's past.  

 

 

 

 

@brielover very interesting, thanks for sharing. so based on your theory, is it right to say that CS is not a reincarnation of MW's past love (either the captain or Yeon Woo)?

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7 hours ago, caesarclown said:

 

It's from the OST of Tree of Heaven, titled His Whistle!

 

Thank you so much, finally I can hear this song again :)

 

I watch tree of heaven a long time ago, and like the ost too. His whistle and one more ost by shin Seung hun

 

(mod. Sorry I don't know how to remove video from my quotes)

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Please do not quote videos! Thanks! :)
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1 hour ago, debbsthebee said:

@brielover very interesting, thanks for sharing. so based on your theory, is it right to say that CS is not a reincarnation of MW's past love (either the captain or Yeon Woo)?

Lol still not sure - we need more data.  The idea behind the ritual is that the King is killed/sacrificed and then resurrected so he's symbolically the same man but in reality a different one!  

 

Diana was a virgin goddess, so it's possible MW didn't love either of the two men from her past enough.  That might even be her failing from the past.  And since then, she can't let herself love a manager because it's too painful to see them die one after the other.  It's quite possible that CS is her first love or at least in love experience.

 

But there are two myths in particular that the  Hong Sisters might be using for inspiration for MW's past if they use the Diana myth.  One is Diana killing a man on impulse and out of anger for watching her bathe (trying to mess with her).  Another is Diana's brother Apollo growing jealous and tricking her into shooting the man, Orion, her companion, in the head.  I myself think a combination of accident, trickery by another, and MW's impulsive bad temper are very likely the lethal combo that led to her punishment.

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How funny all of them not a fan but still hangout waiting for autograph :mrgreen::joy: 

 

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Just watched latest ep....it seemed certain that CS is YW's reincarnation... the question is how come YW didnt go through Hotel Del Luna when he died? (Although... maybe he died earlier before MW became the hotel owner)

 

... and how come the hotel have not serve any Kings before?.... not all dead souls go to the Hotel? ... hmm...

 

I disagree when people writes that YJG looks young with IU...., if we all dont their their ages, im sure YJG is actually looks compatible with IU in characters.

 

Because YGJ is darker skin tone, he looks more mature than his age while IU looks fairer hence looks younger than her age :)

 

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8 hours ago, nisfii said:

Hello.. I'm new to this thread...I rarely post something on any thread but I'm really curious about the piano instrumental that Played in minute 22.45

 

I remember listening the song version before, and I think it's the ost from old drama...but I forget from which dramas or the singer name...it's beautiful and calming song...

 

Anyone here knows that song?

Thank you

 

I remembered it as a children's song, My Grandfather's Clock. I was humming along...Amazing,I hadn't sang this in decades but I remembered the lyrics, not the songwriter,  Henry Clay Work. And decades later the music is re-arranged again to a lovely tempo.Thank you for sharing.

My grandfather's clock was too large for the shelf,
So it stood ninety years on the floor;
It was taller by half than the old man himself,
Though it weighed not a pennyweight more.
It was bought on the morn of the day that he was born,
And was always his treasure and pride;
But it stopped short — never to go again —
When the old man died.

chorus:

Ninety years without slumbering 
(tick, tock, tick, tock),

His life's seconds numbering,
(tick, tock, tick, tock),

It stopped short never to go again when the old man died

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1 hour ago, debbsthebee said:

@brielover very interesting, thanks for sharing. so based on your theory, is it right to say that CS is not a reincarnation of MW's past love (either the captain or Yeon Woo)?

Seem to have lost my reply to this.  I don't know.  The Diana ritual is a dying/sacrificial king who is then resurrected.  Symbolically he's the same person, in reality he's a different man. So that doesn't really help lol!

 

All I can say is that the Hong Sisters are very deliberately playing with a substitution theme.  The Captain of the Guard 's relationship to the Princess is the exact same one as the priest-king to Diana, or CS to MW, and in the past likely Yeon Woo to MW.  Protector, right hand man, maybe consort, but not necessarily lover.  Captain is clearly interested in MW, while Yeon Woo has that moment in the carriage where he seems interested in the Princess.  We then get that shot with MW looking feral and bloody having donned what is most likely the Princess's wedding dress.  

 

 

 

 

 

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I watched Ep6 without subtitles.I found the subplot on the King hilarious.For a king to be so infuriated by a lousy actor portraying him that he descended to correct the actor! Then he decided he could play himself better and completely take over the acting role; and that the hotel staff who couldn't figure out which king he was, had to watch Kdrama to revise their history knowledge.:blink:

After watching it the second time,this time with subs, it's so funny how the ghostly staff representing the era of goryeo,Joseon and Japanese occupation, didn't know their history of kings.

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