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  1. 1. Was there an affair?

    • No, there was no affair. It was one sided on Yoo Ri's part
    • Yes, there was an ongoing affair.
    • It was a one night stand.
  2. 2. The Conspiracy Theory

    • Yoo Ri is not the real daughter but the VP's mistress.
    • Sung Joon is doing this for his own gain ( to advance his career).
    • The VP hired Yoo Ri to destroy the Sung Joon - Jung Sun.
    • This is a high-end escort service.
    • There really is no conspiracy - just a marriage breaking down.

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  • Poll closed on 12/16/2019 at 01:50 PM

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4 minutes ago, Jungwoo baby said:

The scene when yuri dressed up and went to hotel to meet that vip man, went into the room of the hotel. I mean. I still dont get it hhuhuhuu

Red herring

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4 minutes ago, lu09 said:

The money spend on the hospital comes from the VP. I highly doubt he would use his secret money.

 

When you use a swear word in Soompi, it changes to Richard Simmons. 

Now I get who Richard Simmons hahah i thought it was some character like SJ.

 

its 1am here and I should be sleeping but I am not. Watch the raw ep, 14. like I understood what they were talking about ( Actions speak louder than words) hahahah

 

I have so many not so nice words to say about Yuri. but it will change to Richard Simmons.

 

If there are more bad things that will happen to JS, Im going after the writer. Does he/She hate JS so much for her to do these things to her?  Arghhhhhh.. 

 

When I thought I had it all figured out, the story takes another turn... hayyyyyssss... :(

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What I gathered from watching EP14 raw and limited understanding of korean language,

  1. YR gathered more haters among her colleague. She never actually try to show that she worth the promotion given to her. Everyone else have to do her share of work.YR questioning her identity more and more. At this point, I don't really care about her and I just turn off my effort in understanding the dialogue during her scenes. She can see that SJ still care about JS and it bother her to no end. That is what you deserve for holding on to someone who intend to leave you at first place. Writer really trying to sell her sob story, again mentioning about her mom and how lonely she is. I am sorry but I AM NOT BUYING HER SOB STORY. What she did is inexcusable. :triumph:
  2. VIP team vs Prestige team is fun to watch. VIP team hold to much power that Prestige team don't even have a say on anything. YR doesn't even show that she is trying. VIP team totally crushing Prestige team. :glasses:
  3. It hurt my heart seeing how discourage MN was, having to treat YR with respect, calling her manager when she is the competent one out of them both. I am glad BH is always on her side now.
  4. HA and JH scenes having fun and just talk made me smile. HA asking JH to date her show that she is moving on. They are definitely a cute couple I am looking forward to. :love:
  5. JS knows about SW's identity and also the fact that SW was the one who listened to her during the birthday party. SW continues to care for her and outright preventing SJ to approach JS. I am glad that there is someone actively care for her but I hope their relationship remain platonic. There is not much time to throw another arc there. JS starts to piece things together where SJ done a lot of dirty deeds for VP. Even VP's wife is impress that she caught on fast. JS might give SJ a chance but I really hope not. He deserve to be exposed along with YR and VP.
  6. SJ is a done deal now. Even if JS does not intend to exposed him, Director Bae is out there to get him. Director Bae had someone to tail SJ and he knows the relationship between SJ and YR. His mother also really mad at him and she now knows that the friend JS mentioned before is actually about SJ and JS. Regarding his relationship with YR, whether he has feelings for YR or not, the fact that he is enabling YR to act the way she is and still stay at her side showing concern just blew his chance with JS. HE DOES NOT DESERVE TO BE FORGIVEN BY ANYONE. EVER. :rage:

 

I am still hoping that the whole VIP team to resign and form their own company. Or maybe move to different company and plot together to bring down Sung Un. That will be a sweet victory over people who keeps belittling them and starving them from getting the promotion they rightfully deserve. :smirk:

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@Ameera Ali

 

Those are so cute. The captions made me laugh out loud. Thank you. I needed that.

 

Ok, if the feds find out about the slush fund SJ and mistress will go down for it. Their names are on it not the VP’s! He might get off scot free.

 

I never thought I would be glad to see Director (or whatever his title was) Bae back, but I hope he leaves Hyung Ah and Mr Cha alone. Unfortunately, I don’t see that happening. He needs to keep his spying on SJ and “that girl”.

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Jung woo Baby That scene of Yuri is probably as they call it a “red herring”, to distract us so we won’t suspect her as SJ’s mistress in the earlier episode. We’ll blame that to scriptwriter who i know is a woman for being shrewd  (and this is her first major work) together with the director (also a woman and this drama is her first work as a main director). Bravo to them both...my Christmas holiday is screwed....I hope my Christmas Day will be good enough...an ending I could accept...:bawling:

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for him thinking to be nice & helpful 

PSJ telling US the view & wife   :mrgreen:
 

 

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But us to him like @KDramaLogic early post :joy: glad MSW stop him 

 

 

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4 hours ago, monalisa said:

I'd like to know what is Jang jin-chul's relationship with NJS. Was he a former management staff at the department store? NJS seems to treat him like a mentor.


The show revealed that he was a psychologist or psychiatrist before. So perhaps she saw him for counseling during her childhood when her mom left and they’ve kept a monitor like relationship through the years. She’s always going to him for counseling. 

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We know JS loves SJ dearly. Whn her boss asked her if JS intends to destroy SJ by proposing the Black Society project, she avoided the question n answered by saying tht she will be of great value to the boss.   

 

So here we see a hint tht the ending may be heartbreaking for us viewers... JS reconcialing wth SJ???

 

Is this is also one reason why she refused to give a divorce, tht she understands his sad upbringging and her own experiences after her mum left home to marry another?

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Sadly the vows in marriage are usually, Love, Honor & Cherish, in sickness and in health, in good times and bad.  Well okay those usually get broken at least once in marriage, but while he is destroying them literally piece by piece.  The vows do not say you should continue to love him while he is being a jacka** .  No matter how much you hate them, its not easy to turn off the emotions and walk away.

 

I think next weeks episode will cover this part.

 

ADDED:

 

The pitfal about being a mistress and in these dramaland stories is you are constantly watching over your shoulder as everything you have is not yours and never was.  In that sense they both have already got their own karma.  He is unsure of what he is doing and her never feeling at ease with any step she makes especially around him as she doesnt know when she may possibly loose it.  So yeah karma comes back to bite you one.

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4 hours ago, TXviewer said:

Couldn’t agree with you more.

i don’t know if you are alluding to JS being pregnant but others keep hoping she’s pregnant. I don’t see how that can be. I clearly remember on the night of her interrupted dinner ( mother in law shows up and YR meets SJ at office) she looks at the calendar and says something about 14 days. That indicates to me that she wasn’t pg at the time. Now unless SHE’S messing around ( which I doubt) or she and SJ had some hankie pankie not shown or indicated, it would have to be an Immaculate Conception.

I do agree we are headed to an unhappy ending but as long as YR does not end up with SJ I can live with it.

@Nang Wang

I so agree with you and @MrsSoJiSub. He is doing such a great job of making us hate him. I love the way @MrsSoJiSub analyzes his body language. FIGHTING!
 

@2good2btrue and mrs sojisub,

 

You two are keeping my emotions on this crazy rollercoaster ride; I want off the ride! I’m so confused!:tears:

 

@mellindear

sorry if spelling wrong. Going back and forth thru messages.

 

When you get that ticket let me know I’ll go with you!

I think she might actually be pregnant.

When she planned the perfect night to conceive (her ovulation day), which SJ omoni ruined, it was 2 weeks before her periods. And then she found out about the affair and her world crumbled. She might have missed her periods then and not notice, or she might have noticed and think it was because of what she was going through. She might also have had her periods like always. Then again, 2 possibles scenarios: she got pregnant a few weeks/months back but didn't know (periods on time, no symptoms...) or they did have sex the days before or the days after the D-day and she did got pregnant that month.

 

Did i read too much pregnancy forums? Maybe lol but i think it's quite possible? (No? Lol)

 

Aaaarh!..nothing really happened in ep 14 and now we have to wait until next week to see unfold all this mess in 2 hours.....i think i might need therapy after the drama conclusion

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@Kimsungrin

 

You may have something there. Maybe that will be what ultimately will bring them back together. The fall and a baby? (ok y’all don’t yell at me too loud) I’m just trying to put this thing together someway.

 

Cookies are in the oven. It almost smells like Christmas. Now, if Santa will bring me a twist to this whole mess that seems like it’s “just an affair drama.“

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I don’t believe SJ is in love with YR. not for one second was or is that man in love with her. Noooope. Nothing in this drama has convinced me of such. I believe SJ put himself in some serious doo doo, he knew could bring his wife down in (remember, she a chabeol in her own right) more ways than just her perception of him . Like many a kdrama characters before him, although it may not be what he wants and it’s been destroying everything; “he’s come too far to turn back now.” He dug a hole and is determined to burry just himself. The mans knows how dangerous VP can be when he chooses. All this stuff right or wrong, fair or not in his mind was for JS own good. JS kept talking about walking in pits of fire. SJ has been in that pit and was determined to keep JS out and she keeps walking further and further in. Causing many a hiccups. I truly wonder what SJ’s original plan was. We know he was committed to JS (hence YR sending the text). What were his original plans? What was he going to do? If YR never sent that text, was SJ like JS in the first episode umbrella scene; desired to live a simple life together, grow old, have kids. Did he ever plan to cut cords with VP...what was everyone’s original plans? Cause it wasn’t this. The text jacked things up for everyone, so what were their original plots/schemes? 

 

I looooove JS. What a woman. She has shown so much grace through this all, but also a fierceness that I admire. I adore seeing her and SJ going head to head. They are both equally intelligent and capable. The clips of them going toe to toe in meetings were the best. I want more. Destroy him JS....or is she trying to save him from the VP’s clutches..... 

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50 minutes ago, Kimsungrin said:

I think she might actually be pregnant.

When she planned the perfect night to conceive (her ovulation day), which SJ omoni ruined, it was 2 weeks before her periods. And then she found out about the affair and her world crumbled. She might have missed her periods then and not notice, or she might have noticed and think it was because of what she was going through. She might also have had her periods like always. Then again, 2 possibles scenarios: she got pregnant a few weeks/months back but didn't know (periods on time, no symptoms...) or they did have sex the days before or the days after the D-day and she did got pregnant that month.

 

Did i read too much pregnancy forums? Maybe lol but i think it's quite possible? (No? Lol)

From the latest episodes (that I haven't watched yet, only read recaps) I am convinced she is pregnant. When she falls or is pushed down the stairs, SJ will find out she is pregnant or has lost their baby. I REALLY REALLY hope that she doesn't lose another baby... :(

 

That (I think) will be turning point of this story. We will see SJ's plot line make a 180 degree turn, and he will realize how low he has sunk in the dangerous game he's playing.

 

Like @MrsSoJiSub I have been from the start on the side that SJ still loves JS deeply, and that what he has with YR is something much different.

 

Then I could be wrong (I often am), but since both the script writer and the director are women, I am sure that in the end JS will get her justice (either together with SJ or without him) !!! :)

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Okay, I'm resigning myself to launching Part 1/infinite of my (long, convoluted) ranting of today's episode and/or the overall drama progression...

 

Standard disclaimers aka apologies in advance :sweatingbullets::

  1. Long rants
  2. Multiple (cuts of) posts

Without further ado, here's Part 1 of my ranting:

 

2 hours ago, MrsSoJiSub said:

Dear show,

 

I haven’t  watched ep 14 (no clips, nothing) but I’m preparing myself....IT BETTER NOT ALL BE JUST AN AFFAR. If they had an affair okay, I accept, cheating happens all the time (ducks tomatoes of rage) but all this mystery, red herring, purposeful misdirections, cutting off scenes, for just an affair....HELL TO THE NO!! I don’t care if it has nothing to do with the “affair” something major had better be going down with SJ and VP that lead to all this mess. *stares at writers* a basic richard simmons trope affair with the basic run of the mill young, weepy, candy-Cinderella-in distress, all this richard simmons cause of an affair and just an affair...I THINK THE richard simmons NOT! 

 

I throw tomatoes at you...

 

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...Just kidding...please forgive me!! :D

 

 

You speak on behalf of me and any other Soompiers and/or viewers who were looking forward to something suspenseful, intriguing, and breaking all the drama tropes of an otherwise insipid, "white-washed" adultery/mistress soap opera that's apparently unfolding in this drama...-_-

 

 

2 hours ago, TXviewer said:

Ok, read recaps of ep 14 parts 1 & 2.

Christmas cookie dough chillin’ in the refrigerator.
Ran out of flour and sugar so can’t do anymore baking. And you know who I blame for running out of my baking staples, don’t you? Yes, “that girl”!
 

Now, what do I do until showtime?

 

Uhh, confession time(?): I may (not) have taken some of your Christmas dough when I was preparing all those cakes with rainbows and smiles while dreading this week's episodes...

 

No, I'm not "that girl"; she must've taken the rest, I swear!!!!!!

 

*runs for cover

 

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Talk about the drama ending  on Christmas Eve, of all days...what will we do then? :anguished:

 

 

1 hour ago, TXviewer said:

@Ameera Ali

 

Those are so cute. The captions made me laugh out loud. Thank you. I needed that.

 

Ok, if the feds find out about the slush fund SJ and mistress will go down for it. Their names are on it not the VP’s! He might get off scot free.

 

I never thought I would be glad to see Director (or whatever his title was) Bae back, but I hope he leaves Hyung Ah and Mr Cha alone. Unfortunately, I don’t see that happening. He needs to keep his spying on SJ and “that girl”.

 

You know what they say about rats: Once you corner them, they'll squeal on others. So don't worry; even if the VP's name is not on that slash fund, SJ won't go down without taking the VP with him (preferably in handcuffs with while posing for the cameras :P)

 

I wouldn't hail Director Bae's return yet (for other reasons besides wanting him to stay away from HA, MN and BH). If most, if not all, higher-ups of the company and/or the VIP clients already know about SJ and YR's affair, I'm not sure what more damage Director Bae could incur by exposing those pictures of SJ and YR. The VP already proposed that SJ divorce JS and marry YR to validate their relationship. All the VP would have to do is announce SJ and YR's "engagement/wedding" and then "cooperate" with the MeToo investigation against Director Bae, thus "cleaning" up his, SJ's, and YR's image while further digging Director Bae's professional (and personal?) grave.

 

Now if Director Bae had pictures/evidence of that secret slush fund, now that'd be a different story. Nevertheless, I'd prefer that JS and/or the VIP team expose the VP's and SJ's (and YR's) shady tactics WITHOUT Director Bae's "divine" intervention.

 

That concludes Part 1 of my ranting of today's episode.

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9 hours ago, lu09 said:

Well, well, well. So according to Dramamilk recap, SJ was taking care of VP affairs. One of the mistress happens to be a rich lady and probably the longest to have a relationship with him. The woman runs a charity or foundation and JS wanted to meet her because of their current work but SJ told the team they can't use her because she is abroad. But here is the thing, VP has a secret account and guess who the name is under: Both the mistress and SJ. No wonder he is loyal to VP to the core. Because if the VP is screwed, so will he. richard simmons, richard simmons......... JS is shocked and sees her husband for the first time. 

 

Now this explains why he is not even trying to save his marriage. He screwed up big time and is way too deep to get out of it. His character description was absolutely right. 

 

9 hours ago, maribella said:

Whoa I knew it , when he glibly admitted to the affair and kept running to 'her', humiliating his wife, he was a skutzball alias scumbag. He is a co-owner of a slush fund that is funded by the VP. The other owner is the VP's old mistress - long term mistress. 
 

He is really in love with YR or as his mum says a temporary feeling. But I don't think so, he cares enough to remember her birthday, so it's not temporary. Maybe it's the trash meets trash attachment.


I hope JS will use that slush fund to bring them down. If she suddenly turns 'nice' and decides to tear the evidence, I am going to put a hex on the writer again.

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Yes! I knew the VP's and Sung Jun's shady dealings would come back to bite them both.  With this evidence she can take the whole trio of trash down!

 

Eventually, Jung Sun will be glad in a roundabout way that spineless Sung Jun's affair with nutcase Yuri revealed to her that she was married to a very rotten person. On top of all the other dreadful behaviour from him now she knows her husband is so successful in his career because he is corrupt and in deep with the VP's dirt: dodgy financial deals;  blackmailing mistresses into keeping quiet... and who knows what other dirt we don't know about yet.

 

8 hours ago, kdramagrandma said:
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What I gathered from watching EP14 raw and limited understanding of korean language,

  1. YR gathered more haters among her colleague. She never actually try to show that she worth the promotion given to her. Everyone else have to do her share of work.YR questioning her identity more and more. At this point, I don't really care about her and I just turn off my effort in understanding the dialogue during her scenes. She can see that SJ still care about JS and it bother her to no end. That is what you deserve for holding on to someone who intend to leave you at first place. Writer really trying to sell her sob story, again mentioning about her mom and how lonely she is. I am sorry but I AM NOT BUYING HER SOB STORY. What she did is inexcusable. :triumph:
  2. VIP team vs Prestige team is fun to watch. VIP team hold to much power that Prestige team don't even have a say on anything. YR doesn't even show that she is trying. VIP team totally crushing Prestige team. :glasses:
  3. It hurt my heart seeing how discourage MN was, having to treat YR with respect, calling her manager when she is the competent one out of them both. I am glad BH is always on her side now.
  4. HA and JH scenes having fun and just talk made me smile. HA asking JH to date her show that she is moving on. They are definitely a cute couple I am looking forward to. :love:
  5. JS knows about SW's identity and also the fact that SW was the one who listened to her during the birthday party. SW continues to care for her and outright preventing SJ to approach JS. I am glad that there is someone actively care for her but I hope their relationship remain platonic. There is not much time to throw another arc there. JS starts to piece things together where SJ done a lot of dirty deeds for VP. Even VP's wife is impress that she caught on fast. JS might give SJ a chance but I really hope not. He deserve to be exposed along with YR and VP.
  6. SJ is a done deal now. Even if JS does not intend to exposed him, Director Bae is out there to get him. Director Bae had someone to tail SJ and he knows the relationship between SJ and YR. His mother also really mad at him and she now knows that the friend JS mentioned before is actually about SJ and JS. Regarding his relationship with YR, whether he has feelings for YR or not, the fact that he is enabling YR to act the way she is and still stay at her side showing concern just blew his chance with JS. HE DOES NOT DESERVE TO BE FORGIVEN BY ANYONE. EVER. :rage:

 

I am still hoping that the whole VIP team to resign and form their own company. Or maybe move to different company and plot together to bring down Sung Un. That will be a sweet victory over people who keeps belittling them and starving them from getting the promotion they rightfully deserve. :smirk:

 

 

Thanks for the mini recap and comments. Totally agree Sung Jun should not be forgiven EVER. He is scum.  Yes, they need to stop with the lame sob story for the mistress mouth breather. Nobody feels sorry for her except Yuri herself and the idiot adulterer.  SJ's mother must be so ashamed; she thought she had raised him not to repeat her mistakes but he has turned out even worse.  

 

Useless Yuri is collecting enemies at work like they are going out of style:lol: How painful for Mi Na to endure this after all her years of work. Everybody knows Yu Ri is a useless airhead and once the affair is exposed everyone will know she only has her undeserved position because she was sleeping with her married manager.  People genuinely respect and admire Na Jung Sun.  Yuri is a joke to everyone.

 

Happy for a ray of light in the episode with Hyun Ah and Jin Ho's relationship.  I think Sang Woo is just a decent man who likes and admires his senior in a little-brother-big sister way and hates seeing her being treated so badly.  I don't see romance there.

 

VIP Team are the dream team:glasses:  I love your suggestion of them forming their own company. 

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I agree that SJ couldn't really possibly love YR. But there is something there and something happened. Who is going to honestly break their mama's heart by admitting you're seeing someone else while you're still married?!!! That is the one news that could break her.  He already pities his mom's life and how she lives, would he really add on top of that? He could keep her in the dark, admit everything else but not that unless it's true. That is the one thing that would hurt her the most,  it's been the one thing that defined her existence. 

 

Yeah,  SJ is probably tied to the VP because he's been involved with all the shady dealings and is acting the "hero" in his mind but he did make a mistake w/YR.  She was there when he was vulnerable and needing/ begging for human connection.  And in his mind that warped it to love or gratitude. Whatever his justifications are in his own head,  he stepped out on JS either physically or emotionallly, whatever it was it's the same crap different smell! Ugh lol

 

Most people who cheat claim to still love their spouse/ partner.  This idiot is confused and messed up, he burnt one bridge so he thinks he's forced to walk on the other in the meanwhile justifying to himself that this is now for everyone's sake. This reminds me of the saying,  "the road to hell is paved with good intentions".  And oh boy,  that is exactly where he is going!! But our poor JS is there walking with him.

 

If typical kdrama, JS will try to save SJs sorry butt cause he can't save his own!

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I think YR who has the slush fund account now with SJ. so thats why SJ cannot release her and I m sure she s dare enough to threat SJ and VP to tell everyone about the slush fund if SJ ever leave her.

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