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Very Important Poll  

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  1. 1. Was there an affair?

    • No, there was no affair. It was one sided on Yoo Ri's part
    • Yes, there was an ongoing affair.
    • It was a one night stand.
  2. 2. The Conspiracy Theory

    • Yoo Ri is not the real daughter but the VP's mistress.
    • Sung Joon is doing this for his own gain ( to advance his career).
    • The VP hired Yoo Ri to destroy the Sung Joon - Jung Sun.
    • This is a high-end escort service.
    • There really is no conspiracy - just a marriage breaking down.

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  • Poll closed on 12/16/2019 at 01:50 PM

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9 hours ago, sin hoonsim said:

Haha spoiler again...

 

SJ is the most confusing lame character to me.  He flip flops so much.  At this point in their story i just can't see any possible redemption for him or a chance for a reconciliation.  Even if he was trying to push her away, he has ripped her heart to shreds.  Unless something crazy happens like YR trying to  physical harm JS and SJ saves her.  That would be a typical kdrama scenario and this drama is not your typical kdrama.  So...idk.  i just hope its a great satisfying ending with some happiness for JS and with the destruction of YR, VP and SJ. 

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27 minutes ago, smhelen said:

You mean he cheated in real life?

No I meant in another show, he was the cheating husband and the mistress was the Thornbird actress. Can't remember the title.

 

 

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YES, the Very Important (Conspiracy Theory) poll is out now!!!! Thank you @triplem!!!!

 

Admittedly, I was divided over the choices in the first question. Undoubtedly, SJ divulged (and cried over) his personal family to YR while looking after YR's personal affairs, thus forming an unwarranted emotional attachment. However, one skeptical part of me can't consider SJ's and YR's "relationship" as an actual affair, especially if it turns out that YR is actually working with the VP to break apart the JS-SJ power couple (I know, it's still speculation...-_-). That being said, I wouldn't rule out SJ having (at least) one tryst with YR- hence, his guilty, blank face throughout the present scenes, and his insistence to YR that whatever they had was "over" (way to go back on your word, SJ? <_<) before YR entered the company in the Ep. 12 flashback. Therefore, I chose the "SJ and YR had a one-night stand choice".

 

BTW, many thanks for including the "The VP hired Yuri to destroy the JS-SJ couple" option in the second question. Yes, SJ is still to blame for choosing to become personally, emotionally invested in YR when he should have been doing all that with his actual (and much more genuine, beautiful, strong yet but not immortal) wife JS, regardless of YR's feelings or (hidden) agenda. Still, I cannot help but feel something's off with the VP, who's using JS's public exposure of SJ's "affair" to initiate his plan of removing JS from her high-level position in the Sungwoon Department store VIP team, promoting his unqualified "biological heir" YR as branch manager or JS's current position in the VIP team, and ultimately guilt-tripping SJ into preparing a divorce from JS and a marriage with YR for the sake of helping the VP secure his position in the company while "validating" SJ's and YR's relationship in public. Other than establishing himself as a father of the only living future "heir" in the family registry, the VP has not acted very "fatherly" towards YR, be it skipping out on YR's mother's/VP's "alleged" former lover or allowing a potential loose cannon/loaded dice/rabid-dog-who'll-bite-of-its-master's-hand like SJ marry his own "child". Strangely, the VP parades YR around in public rather than hide her away like he has done with his other mistresses via hush money or blackmail.

 

In any event, I can't wait to see the final results/consensus of this poll! :sweat_smile:

 

 

7 hours ago, Takingthehighroad said:

I remember that scene. Was it before or after she received her walking papers from Daniel? I can't remember, but I think she expected to leave him rather than being asked to leave. I just might have to re-watch that so I can see Daniel again. 

 

I said those words once: "I will never forgive you!" It didn't  have the effect I wanted & I ended up having to eat my words (which I normally do).

 

No, he doesn't "look like one" but he has the same characteristics: loves garbage, sneaks around after dark, untrustworthy (will turn on you in a heartbeat if you mess with his garbage, i.e. Yuri). 

 

Thank you for the compliments about my scenario. For sure, her other half is NOT 

JP/ SP/PS/hang-dog, alias Swarmy. Bet you can guess who I want it to be.

 

@Takingthehighroad Of course, we know you wouldn't allow a ringed-tail tooter like SJ near JS within a 6,000 mile radius (think, an ocean apart), let alone back in a relationship with a child in tow who shouldn't have to call someone like SJ her/his father, after all the unnecessary betrayal and humiliation he put her through at home AND work. But I can't wait to see how you conclude your epilogue (still dreading the outcome of the actual drama, though :no_mouth:).

 

On another note, as @TXviewer mentioned, Daniel's former fiance confronted SJ with the whole "evil" speech AFTER being told off and fired by Daniel.

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34 minutes ago, maribella said:

No I meant in another show, he was the cheating husband and the mistress was the Thornbird actress. Can't remember the title.

 

 

Actor is JI Jin Hee and title is One Warm Word

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28 minutes ago, maribella said:

No I meant in another show, he was the cheating husband and the mistress was the Thornbird actress. Can't remember the title.

 

 

It was One Warm Word and although they didn't sleep together, they had an emotional affair.  It was Ji Jin Hee, Han Hye Jin, Lee Sang Woo and Kim Ji Soo.  Lee Sang Woo was married to Han Hye Jin and cheated on her.  Later Han Hye Jin ended up having an affair with Ji Jin Hee who was married to Kim Ji Soo.  It was a good drama and had a happy ending for all of them.  Han Hye Jin also played in The Thorn Birds and that was a great drama also.

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Y'all. This poll! 

 

It doesn't matter if they slept together or not. He confided in Yuri what he couldn't with JS. He lied and broke JS's trust. THAT makes it an affair. As for Yuri, it doesn't matter how she figures into this puzzle piece. Finding out who she is doesn't change the outcome that SJ cheated on his wife and that alone was his choice. 

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OMG there's a poll now? :D Thanks @triplem

 

Maybe add a question?

 

Do you think that JS and SJ can save their marriage?

a) Oh yeah, I think it would be great if they ended up together in the end

b) No, YR and SJ will end up together. They deserve each other.

c) No, wouldn't it be cool if the VP and SJ ended up together.... in a prison cell?

d) No, I hope SJ breaks a honey jar, gets a swarm of bees in his pants and stumbles into a bear den

 

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29 minutes ago, partyon said:

OMG there's a poll now? :D Thanks @triplem

 

Maybe add a question?

 

Do you think that JS and SJ can save their marriage?

a) Oh yeah, I think it would be great if they ended up together in the end

b) No, YR and SJ will end up together. They deserve each other.

c) No, wouldn't it be cool if the VP and SJ ended up together.... in a prison cell?

d) No, I hope SJ breaks a honey jar, gets a swarm of bees in his pants and stumbles into a bear den

 

D! ! Most definitely D!!! LOL

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6 hours ago, maribella said:
6 hours ago, smhelen said:

You mean he cheated in real life?

No I meant in another show, he was the cheating husband and the mistress was the Thornbird actress. Can't remember the title.

In "I Have a Lover" (and I have no idea where I read this, If it was on this forum, I apologize for not giving credit where credit is due.) it was originally written with the FL ending up with the other attorney who saved her. There was such a bad backlash from the viewers that they rewrote it to have the FL/ML reconcile. Didn't we hate the ML in the beginning? I sure did, but I ended up rootin' for him. Just sayin'...

 

But it will take a mighty intervention for me to change my view of SJ. This is a first-time writer so I'm hoping she/he will dare to go where others haven't gone. I had this tiny little wish that one of the consorts from Yanxi Palace would show up as a member of the VIP team & deal with YR (say, Consort Gao). I apologize - my vicious streak rears its head when I'm stressed. 

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I like happy endings and  like to chose A. But with what we have seen from SJ from ep.1 to 12 & now the preview for ep. 13, I would definitely chose D....he so deserve to be stung...yayayyyy:blush:

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6 hours ago, Pam_Van Fossen said:

It was One Warm Word and although they didn't sleep together, they had an emotional affair.  It was Ji Jin Hee, Han Hye Jin, Lee Sang Woo and Kim Ji Soo.  Lee Sang Woo was married to Han Hye Jin and cheated on her.  Later Han Hye Jin ended up having an affair with Ji Jin Hee who was married to Kim Ji Soo.  It was a good drama and had a happy ending for all of them.  Han Hye Jin also played in The Thorn Birds and that was a great drama also.

Thank you. I could not remember any part of the title. The wife found out early in show about them, can't remember how. She was quite clever when she got the man and the mistress to meet in front of her and friends. JS did it at lunch. 
 

I wonder if JS thought she could get her husband back with the VP's help by making the revelation, instead of just posting it on you tube :naughty:

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5 hours ago, partyon said:

OMG there's a poll now? :D Thanks @triplem

 

Maybe add a question?

 

Do you think that JS and SJ can save their marriage?

a) Oh yeah, I think it would be great if they ended up together in the end

b) No, YR and SJ will end up together. They deserve each other.

c) No, wouldn't it be cool if the VP and SJ ended up together.... in a prison cell?

d) No, I hope SJ breaks a honey jar, gets a swarm of bees in his pants and stumbles into a bear den

 

 

Another questionnaire for us lucky Soompiers, @partyon? Me likey...(pardon the creepy gif/meme below :wacko:)

 

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Normally, I'd like to see option C play out, since, based on what both this drama and the VP's wife have insinuated, it looks as though VP and SJ have undertook rather underhanded tactics (i.e., embezzlement) that may bring backlash to the company's reputation if they're brought to light (preferably by JS, SW the Foreign Minister's son, HA, MN, and perhaps the Chairwoman if she proves herself trustworthy, unlike her brother/VP). However, several K-dramas tend to either "redeem" these characters or drive them to insanity without truly suffering the consequences of their (horrific) misdeeds toward their victims during and/or after their prison time...even in over-the-top makjangs including Last Empress/Empress' Dignity and Liar Game (I'm only familiar with the Korean version, not the original Japanese manga/drama). Given how the VP and SJ (and YR) are unjustly punishing JS with SJ's affair(?) at work, neither character deserve such K-drama cop-out "redemption" or "insanity" ending; they must be severely punished by JS, the VIP team, and the company in public with both eyes opened.

 

So, I'll take option D...for $0 and 12 (going on 16) precious hours I've spent plodding through the slow pacing and excessive red herrings that, so far, appears to be "obscuring" a rather disappointing, typical adultery/mistress storyline that does not even involve any VIP clients (that we know of...yet...:ph34r:).

 

1 hour ago, Takingthehighroad said:

In "I Have a Lover" (and I have no idea where I read this, If it was on this forum, I apologize for not giving credit where credit is due.) it was originally written with the FL ending up with the other attorney who saved her. There was such a bad backlash from the viewers that they rewrote it to have the FL/ML reconcile. Didn't we hate the ML in the beginning? I sure did, but I ended up rootin' for him. Just sayin'...

 

But it will take a mighty intervention for me to change my view of SJ. This is a first-time writer so I'm hoping she/he will dare to go where others haven't gone. I had this tiny little wish that one of the consorts from Yanxi Palace would show up as a member of the VIP team & deal with YR (say, Consort Gao). I apologize - my vicious streak rears its head when I'm stressed. 

 

@Takingthehighroad I've watched I Have a Lover when it was airing, and unfortunately, unlike you, I dropped it when it flashforwarded from the prosecutor rescuing the amnesia-ridden FL to them working together while the ML, having spent the early episodes being "engrossed" with his "mistress" who happens to be one of his orphaned GTA (graduate teaching assistant), suddenly acted as though he never had an affair with said "mistress". BTW, thanks for clarifying about the whole script change involving the FL and ML; I was wondering why the scriptwriter/director decided to shoot later scenes of the ML never having feelings for the "mistress" and wanting to reunite with the amnesiac FL who was not yet disillusioned with the loss of their baby and the increasingly corrupt aspects of her work as a lawyer. I was so put off by that whiplash change because it looked as though the ML would rather take advantage of the FL's amnesiac condition and start over from the memory of their first interaction in college (I think? It's been 4 years since I've watched that drama.) instead of helping her regain her memory so that they'd come to terms with the harsh reality of their baby loss, the negative aspect of the FL's previous work affecting both their marriage and other clients' lives, and the ML's comeuppance for forsaking FL with an affair. Plus, with the whole FL's-birth-secret/long-lost twin sister and the ML's brother-in-law ordering a hit on the twin sister for being a whistleblower at his company (which led to the FL's amnesia upon accidental encounter with her twin sister and the brother-in-law's hitman's mistaking which twin, mind you), I n'oped out of that drama. It was as though the FL and her twin sister have been attacked by all of the ML's family (more specifically, the ML's father) ever since their birth (which led to their separation and unawareness of each other's existence); I didn't want either sister to get involved with the ML or any of his family members ever again. :triumph::unamused:

 

Back to the VIP drama, regardless of the VP's agenda or YR's (unstable or pretend) feelings, SJ can only blame himself, not JS or even YR, for choosing to get personally attached to YR instead of assuming a professional distance from YR and waiting alongside with JS until she resolved herself to start moving forward from their loss of their baby. I don't even know if a mighty intervention/redemption arc for SJ will suffice during the last four episodes; frankly, that arc should have started (not vaguely, but affirmatively on SJ's part) at Ep. 5 when JS told SJ that she will forgive him and move past the affair as long as he comes clean about the affair and reassure her that it's over (code: NOT covertly removing the CCTV footage of that fateful night or driving to his "mistress'"/colleague/VP's "daughter"'s place instead of meeting JS as promised).

 

I'm not familiar with the Yanxi Palace drama, so, if you want, please clue me in (not entirely, but enough to get the picture of) on how vicious one of the consorts would be in dealing with YR (and SJ and the VP), compared to Shin Sungrok's portrayal of the unhinged Kang Doyoung (Liar Game) and/or Emperor Lee Hyuk (Last Empress/Empress' Dignity). I share your similar violent streak to (give JS the honor to) bash SJ, YR, and the VP "Hulk-Smash" style...(see spoiler gif)...:ph34r:

 

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Have y’all seen LSY in “Whisper”? He was an attorney who took it upon himself to bring down a corrupt firm. The difference between the two shows is that he was not married and he had some redeemable qualities. At the end, he is handcuffed and taken to jail.

After all the twists and turns this show has made, I hope a similar ending is in the works.I hope it’s not the dreaded huge dump truck hitting his car as he sits at a red light.:tears:

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48 minutes ago, TXviewer said:

Have y’all seen LSY in “Whisper”? He was an attorney who took it upon himself to bring down a corrupt firm. The difference between the two shows is that he was not married and he had some redeemable qualities. At the end, he is handcuffed and taken to jail.

After all the twists and turns this show has made, I hope a similar ending is in the works.I hope it’s not the dreaded huge dump truck hitting his car as he sits at a red light.:tears:

Whisper was a good drama.

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@NAB Whisper was a good drama.

Yes it was. I rewatched the kissing scene. I think the kissing scene in “Whisper” was better than the kisses between SJ and JS. And LSY was so much more handsome in “Whisper”. I think it’s because he plays such a tormented person in “VIP”.

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@KDramaLogic The gifs...and I so wanted to bake a cake. After seeing them, I'm ready to "rumble" (got that term from East Side Story, before your time, I'm sure). And the Hulk - that goes way back w/Bill Bixby. I have great long-term memory....I just have a tad bit of problems remembering what I said/did a few minutes ago. I have to admit I have wanted to "burst out of my clothes" & karate a few people (SJ & YR). Unfortunately, the victim(s) passed away before I could get in my first chop. Either the sight of me naked (with muscles) scared them to death or they were in bad health anyway. 

 

I can only recommend The Legend of Yanxi Palace, that is if you're into historical Chinese dramas. It's one of the highest rated internationally-known dramas. Short summary follows: FL sister died at hands of a royal. She enters the palace as a maid (?) to seek justice/revenge. I have never seen a more courageous, witty FL in all my years of watching K/Chinese/Thai/Turkish/Russian/Spanish/French dramas. The Emperor confronts her over & over about her behavior. No matter how anyone tries to corner her - she's too smart. The consorts all hate her (she's beautiful, smart, brave, & always beats them at their game). Historically, Consort Gao was known to be cruel (the cruelest female consort ever in Chinese history. I won't say more, other than to recommend it.


2 days until more angst. I want to hurry it up but then I'm afraid of what's to come. I mean, come on it's a merry time of year. I don't want this drama to end on a sorry note. That's why I'm writing my ending scenario...I want it to end the way I want to end.

 

 

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On 12/13/2019 at 3:17 AM, NAB said:

Did you notice the expression on YR's face after stepmom walked out of the bathroom? It was a tiny glimpse of the REAL YR. 

Yes!  That look she gave herself in the mirror was menacing and foreshadowing what's to come with her character perhaps.  When moments before she was cowering like a little kid in front of her stepmom.  

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1 hour ago, Takingthehighroad said:

I'm ready to "rumble" (got that term from East Side Story, before your time, I'm sure). And the Hulk - that goes way back w/Bill Bixby.

 LOL: You and I are of the same generation! :D

I am already in my countdown mode! Like you, I am so worried about what’s going to happen. 
 

 

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