[Drama 2019] V.I.P, 브이아이피

[LSYfan]

1 hour ago, vinsensa_1 said:

PSJ look like still love his wife NJS from this video, LOL he said beautiful wife? LOL....so dont worry he didnt cheat his beautiful wife...LOL....*just kidding*

Haha...spoiler? I hope so my dear 

here’s with English sub for VLOG

 

 

[Ameera Ali]

12 hours ago, triplem said:

I think I hv lost track of the theories :

1. No affair ...but one sided love from YR

2. There was an affair 

3. YR’s not the real daughter but VP’s mistress 
4. This is a high end escort service ...
5. SJ is using this for his own material gain 
6. it was a one night stand 

 

ok what else ? I try to compile & make a poll 

@triplem , @ktcjdrama & @lu09

 

what the categories for this one 

 

 

[INJINFAN]

Well, he answered it on the Vlog; we will love the drama and hate him.  The more we hate him, he says, the more we will love the drama.  So he knows he will be hated as villain.  Not much room for redemption there.  

[TXviewer]

10 hours ago, KDramaLogic said:

1. No affair ...but one sided love from YR

2. There was an affair 

3. YR’s not the real daughter but VP’s mistress 
4. This is a high end escort service ...
5. SJ is using this for his own material gain 
6. it was a one night stand 

Ok. I forgot to put a disclaimer on my response to the poll. “I reserve the right to change my opinion at anytime without notice.”

 

I hereby retract my previous plot choice. I went back and reviewed SJ’s and JS’s conversation in the living room when he says “I’m sorry” and walks out.

Choice #2 (please refer to my previous, disclaimer statement)

 

I’m sooooo confused,.

 

Sin Hoosim

Thank you for the vlog with English subs.

 

[LSYfan]

BTS w English subtitles 

[maribella]

They took 8 episodes to identify the mistress, 9-13 showing how JS has been humiliated by SJ, if there is a climax after the 8th, what is it building to? Corporate takeovers? I have seen effective corporate themes but the main or 2nd lead is involved in it. None of the Sung Un siblings is main character.  I don't see JS or SJ becoming CEO except with a time leap.

 

An awful but probable scenario is 13-14 still dragging JS down. 15 mother died and SJ came ( maybe bringing the shameless hussy) JS gave up or said some nice inspirational quotes, signed divorce papers and handed the docs to SJ. Migrated.

Last episode, rush through. JS returns after 5 years with a hubby and children. YR is the CEO, only granddaughter, SJ doing her bidding like a glorified office boy, head director. 

[smhelen]

44 minutes ago, TXviewer said:

I’m sooooo confused,.

You and me. 

[KDramaLogic]

More ranting (and multiple cuts of posts...) coming right up...

 

 

8 hours ago, liltash85 said:

NJS never hides anything from PSJ. She told him that she hates her mother as her mother asked for a divorce and has a new family with a different man and she grew up with her single father. Of all the people he should be the last one to hurt her by having an affair and ask for a divorce giving the circumstances of what she had gone through and how she decided to have a family with him eventhough she herself come from a broken family. he broke her trust BIG TIME. That is why NJS said her whole 10 years living with him become a nightmare overnight as she went through the same hurtful path her father once went through when her mother is having extra marital affair that led to the divorce. 

 

PSJ cannot blame NJS for not understanding his pain because first and foremost, he never told his wife the truth that he is a lovechild and his father is still alive and/or about the other family who hated him and his mom. How can he expect NJS to understand his pain when she was left in the dark not knowing anything. Same does when they lost their child, how can she knew that he is in pain as well when he just keep quiet and stoic like that. He don't get angry or even breakdown in front of her. If not because  of the ahjussi, NJS wil not know that he too had a hard time and we cannot blame NJS as she affected the most of loosing the baby as she is the mother. The baby was once inside of her for months before it died. She is having a hard time to deal with herself and we cannot expect she to understand PSJ and noticed his pain when he just keep silent. 

 

And when they confront each other and open up, that maybe the first time PSJ wver raised his voice at her and all she gets is the blame from the person she relied the most and the one she asked to hold on to her. I can' imagine how hurtful NJS is. He blames her depression, her lack of observant, her lack of empathy to notice his pain but the most hurtful is he indirectly said 'the other woman' who noticed that. Then come the second blow, when NJS asked why they got married and he said that marrying her is his best luck and he wants to keep her by his side till his old. He did not utter the L word to her. When she asked why did he cheats he gave the biggest and ultimatum blow when he said he understands her pain (aka he loves her). He just makes NJS pain is nothing as compared to YR pain. This is the point that I found PSJ is unforgivable. To him, The pain of a poor lovechild (who had a happy life with her single mom) is much more as compared to the pain of a woman loosing her baby and battling depression. When he walks out and when she asked him does he ever love her, he did not even dare to said yes. Instead he said he is sorry. I always hope they have a happy ending but when clearly he has set his heart for YR, I want NJS to have a happy ending for herself even if it means she will be single (after getting her revenge to both of them of course) as clearly PSJ is not the man for her.

 

 

Sorry for cutting your post into two parts, @liltash85!!

 

That's the problem with SJ in terms of understanding JS: JS never hid her past and current troubles (her mother's affair and abandonment, the stillbirth, etc.), let alone her FEELINGS about said troubles, from SJ, the VIP team (when JS feels it's the right time to share her account and/or feelings).

 

Based on my understanding of JS's flashback and present scenes with her mother, JS was more upset about her mother being vague and never bothering to reach out to JS first and fully explain why she thought it was a "good" idea for her to commit an affair and walk out on JS and her father, only to return every now and then for money. Yes, JS was traumatized by her mother's affair/abandonment itself, and it's understandable that she did not want to initiate any interaction or even confrontation with her mother. BUT JS was about to put aside her past hurt and anger towards her mother (with the support from SJ and her father) when her mother appeared willing to seek forgiveness from JS, become more involved in JS's like as a long-lost mother whom JS needed all that time, and eventually explain her side of the story (which she confided to SJ before their wedding ceremony). Of course, JS saw and confronted her mother over her taking JS's father's money with the "I'm so shameless to be even asking you for a favor like this" remark, and her mother, once again, chose to disappear from JS's life instead of fighting for their reconciliation or explaining her situation.

 

And FYI, SJ- and YR- you are not the only people with disadvantageous backgrounds that a gossipy, "unforgiving" patriarchal society such as that in South Korea would relentlessly pry like vultures. Despite her wealthy background, JS herself is NOT immune from gossip or backlash at work usually perpetuated by such society, be it undeserved work punishment (having to make corrections for her former boss's mistake regarding some 10,000 flyers in the Ep. 3 flashback, I think...), offensive remarks about her stillbirth by her former boss in front of her own husband SJ (WTF!? Way to kick someone down with her/his memory of such trauma... ), and now the VP's "nepotism" (plans for replacing JS with his unqualified "daughter", YR). And if I'm not mistaken, a patriarchal society like that in South Korea tend to look down on divorced parents and their child(ren) "because they're a broken family that did not have the strong foundation or conviction to maintain an ideal, upright family". JS's mother's affair/abandonment and SJ's wedlock birth is NOT JS's or SJ's fault, but good luck telling that to such a society that expect the offspring to shoulder the blame and shame of her/his parents' actions that the offspring her/himself had NO control over, especially if she/he was a baby or child at that time (sadly, this mindset is still prevalent in 2019).

 

What was my point in my long rambling about JS's mother and JS's unfair treatment by the patriarchal society at home and work? Oh yeah..JS trusted that SJ is a good man who would trust her with his strengths and weaknesses and not judge her for her mother's misgivings or her being a female "rookie" at work, since she herself would most likely understand, NOT judge without concrete reasoning, her husband's weaknesses (and that of her VIP team members', including the hapless but lovable SW and, initially, the "defenseless" YR who was "being discriminated at work due to unwarranted rumors involving her and the VP). Heck, JS was willing to look past SJ's "affair" as long as SJ gives her closure by explaining the circumstances of said affair (i.e., the "mistress'" identity and whereabouts).

 

But did SJ even respect, let alone love, JS to prioritize her above his work (aka serving as the VP's lapdog) or his (past?) "mistress" during that period- that is, Ep. 5-8- that JS gave him the chance to come clean about his (past?) affair? Allow me to re-quote my previous post on SJ's behavior and actions toward JS:

 

On 12/9/2019 at 8:45 PM, KDramaLogic said:

Then, when I see the present scenes, I swerve back to thinking: "SJ, your wife is giving you a chance to come clean about your "affair". Apparently, JS loves you and wants to be with you despite her anger in finding out your lies. Why are you still hiding the "other woman's" identity? Why did you confiscate the CCTV footage of that night that JS saw the "SJ's mistress" text? Why are you going to the VP's daughter's (or "mistress", before the "VP's daughter" public announcement) instead of fulfilling his promise of meeting up with JS and disclosing your "affair"? Because nothing that you're doing right now is reassuring JS (or some of us Soompiers and viewers) that you still love or respect your wife- that is, if you ever did before or during those 10 years of marriage..."

 

Like you, @liltash85, I question whether or not SJ truly loved JS ever since they first met at work. Heck, wasn't SJ in some sort of relationship with JS's friend, HA, yet he hesitantly denied having a girlfriend when JS asked him if he was involved with anyone then? 

 

Perhaps, the signs pointing to SJ being such a "pathetic and low" person who'd throw away his wife of 10 years for "another love child he met for 6 months just because they are the same" was there all along. We the Soompiers and viewers were probably too blind in our optimistic hope for JS's happiness and closure (and, for some, their love for Lee Sangyoon who should NOT be blamed for his character's thoughtless actions) to see those signs.

 

 

8 hours ago, liltash85 said:

 

IKR. Ep 11 and 12 really makes viewers feel for NJS especially with all the backstory of the death of their baby. I think the writer is trying to make PSJ and YR characters less hate'able' by making them having the same pain. I think she thought viewers can understand why a person like PSJ can cheat as he and YR has the same status (lovechild) BUT because NJS is portrayed by Jang Nara, she really delivered NJS well and makes us feel her pain. 

 

...

 

He is such a pathetic and low that he throw away a woman who is by his side for 10 years for another love child he met for 6 months just because they are the same. They are indeed the same. The b**c* and B**t**D match made in Hell. 

 

 

 

8 hours ago, nhh said:

 

 I agree with you on this part. This Yuri sobs story, crying, mother's funeral  etc etc failed to invoke any kind of sympathy on me.  To the point, the more she cried, the more I hate her. 

JNR is too big an actress to be paired with PYJ. It really backfired if this is the writer's intention. I couldn't get Yuri's character at all.  

 

Agree with both posts, @liltash85 and @nhh! No past sub-story about the cheaters would ever justifying cheating/adultery that harms the unsuspecting, innocent partner/spouse, and the VIP screenwriter must be mistaking us Soompiers and viewers as fools if he/she/they think we'd be swayed by YR's past memories with her mother or SJ's heartbreak over both his stillborn baby and his father's death. Like, their "affair" (even if it's not physical, they're emotionally attached to each other) occurred while JS was still shutting down from her stillbirth!!!!

 

Can you imagine if SJ's mistress was MN, the struggling working mother of 2-going-on-3 young children and wife of a hapless but well-meaning husband who's been passed from promotion and is/was considering work reassignment, abortion, or even betraying the VIP team for the sleazy Director Bae? As a working mother whom the patriarchal society will expect to shoulder ALL the nonstop home (and work) responsibilities and criticism from her family, in-laws, and work, I'd argue that MN's current living situations is far more dire than YR's because she has to raise two children who (I think) haven't entered kindergarten, be the main income earner for her family, and contemplate another unplanned pregnancy. But would we the viewers give MN pass for hurting both her family and JS by committing adultery with SJ just because of her overall circumstances? I think....NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  

 

*Side-note: MN's husband, thanks for finally seeing that MN cannot shoulder the main work and home responsibilities- and the third pregnancy- alone, and that you're willing to listen to her concerns and support her (which is, sadly, NOT common among the majority of married men who expect their wives to take care of the house chores and children all by themselves). Oh, and continue punching Director Bae for hitting on and assaulting MN in front of you!

 

Now, Jang Nara strongly highlights JS's strengths and weaknesses that we're on her side despite YR's "sob-story" being thrown here and there. But, you know what, Jang Nara can play YR's role instead of Pyo Yejin (for those who may be confused about who PYJ stands for), and I STILL won't give YR a pass for planning to sabotage JS and SJ's marriage and being ungrateful for JS's hospitality and understanding at work even though Jang Nara is playing her role. Heck (sorry @TXviewer for using JS's possible new hubbies as examples....), So Jisub or Jo Insung could play SJ's role instead of Lee Sangyoon, and I'll STILL root for JS to spin-kick and choke-slam SJ (and YR and the VP) to the floor for doing her dirty.

 

 

2 hours ago, TXviewer said:

Ok. I forgot to put a disclaimer on my response to the poll. “I reserve the right to change my opinion at anytime without notice.”

 

I hereby retract my previous plot choice. I went back and reviewed SJ’s and JS’s conversation in the living room when he says “I’m sorry” and walks out.

Choice #2 (please refer to my previous, disclaimer statement)

 

I’m sooooo confused,.

 

 

Hi, @TXviewer. Actually, @triplem set up the "conspiracy theory" poll (though, @triplem, please let us know when you'll post the official poll soon! There's only 4 episodes left!).

 

And I agree, the poll should have a "I reserve the right to change my opinion at anytime without notice" disclaimer, given this drama's tendency to throw viewers off with red herrings while holding off the reveals till, say, Ep. 12 (who was SJ talking to that fateful night, and who sent the "SJ's mistress" text from JS's work computer?).

 

I still want to add the "The VP had a hand in orchestrating SJ's affair and the destruction of the JS-SJ power couple by using YR" conspiracy theory. Plus, I'm not really sold on the idea of YR being the VP's actual daughter, especially when the VP lost the CEO election to his sister and needs the only "legitimate heir" to solidify his family and company ranking.

 

 

 

[Juliet79]

Please it coming sin hoonsim. I like all the Videos you posted about VIP with Eng sub. These will remind us that the characters are different from the actors. Lee Sang Yoon seems pure in real life. It’s funny to see  his co-stars’ reaction everytime he talks because he is giving spoilers. ....After days of reading here in the forum, i finally watched episode 11 and it breaks my heart. SJ, How can you do that to your wife? I can’t understand him! He is bad and weak man. This is the first time that a drama affected me so much ( though I watched the Last Empress and they all were excellent actors but i can’t relate to the story much). It made me think about what my uncle did a long time ago. He left his good wife and two kids for a younger, prettier woman. His reason (i was told) is that she won’t come with him to live in the city. They had 8 kids and for a while I thought they were legitimate. They are the ones who are close to us and recognize more as family. Later when there were commotion during my Grandpa and then my grandma’s funeral ( the legal wife and their kids came each time and the family were afraid  they would see each other) we kids at that time realized something is off. After many years of adultery, Uncle tried to come back to his wife, when he got a stroke realizing his faults...My Mom who loves his brother even Help him beg to the wife for forgiveness but to no avail. The wife said she can’t accept him now and that they are ok without him. So he can’t do anything but come back to my “second” Aunt. When he died, his legal wife still come and even hugged my second Aunt. But....all my cousins life were not good. It’s like they were cursed. Some of them did the same mistakes, three had adulterous relationship, one got pregnant out of wedlock, two in drugs, two are physically disabled...and it continues to this generation...they also feel excluded when properties were divided...my second Aunt who is beautiful and has a “good personality” ( I hate to say this but second wives it seems have “gifts” that good first wives are lacking- especially in the likes of SJ and my beloved uncle Eyes...though Jang Nara/ Jungsun is way more beautiful than Yuri ) lose her moral authority over them. She kept saying it is wrong and don’t do this and don’t do that but the kids and grandkids do not listen to her. She will even use God’s name to scare us. I Love my Aunt but I also don’t like it when  she’ll reprimand us, telling us about right and wrong. I feel that she should not even try as she was not a good example to us. And now she is old but to this day she is suffering from what she did ( both physically and emotionally), looking and hearing from her miserable children...She is a good example of what not to do and commit..Ayyhow, gong back to the drama, when JS asked SJ “what about me”? That hits hard. It seems that she loves that bit*** more and I really hate it when he is showing pain to YR than his wife.. His wife is suffering so much. JS is tying to be strong  but she is so broken inside...Looking forward to her slapping Yuri and splitting on SJ...Ajah, VIP!  English is my third language so my apology for this post...

[wildcherry]

I just finished watching episode 12. What puzzle me is what is the VP’s wife trying to tell JS? She said its her gift to JS...something about her husband transferred out JS instead of SJ when he was the one who did wrong. Why is that? Is it because SJ held many secrets? But then everyone knows abt his infidelity, they only close their eyes pretend not knowing. OMG is the VP gay? And SJ is the only one knows his secret & these mistresses are just a coverup? I mean he has been married since ancient times yet still no kids... then YR came along, at first she was just the mistress, then suddenly she becomes the daughter...mind that her mother pass away but he didnt even turn up at his supposedly ex lover funeral, the only woman who actually provide him with a kin when his wife & other mistresses never did. 

 

Hmmm....whatever it is I hope SJ & YR burn in h3££ for whatever they did to JS. Sure he too went tru difficult time after losing their child but he shud do something abt it instead of letting his wife wallow in her depression. She needs professional help. If that didn’t work that he shud just give her an ultimatum to not stay together anymore if she insists living the way she did, not go find comfort somewhere else. At least if they has officially separated that he can see whoever he wants. So hatever it is now he’s a sinner & the wailing broken water pipe is a beech

[Pam_Van Fossen]

Leah from Tifone told SJ that "Rather than a bad girl, isn't it easier to curse at an evil b****h",  when explaining how she felt about her relationship with Daniel.  Leah told him that it was funny, that he is there to bribe her yet still wants to be a nice guy.  Then we see in the preview for episode 13, SJ says to someone that "it's better to be evil than just be naughty".  The preview shows Yuri saying, "I know I am a bad girl, just don't hate me".  I am wondering if we will see an even bigger change (for the worse) in SJ in the upcoming episodes.  I think he now realizes that if you are going to be bad you may as well be evil.  I really don't see a reconciliation.  It will end in divorce.  By some miracle of circumstance, JS will forgive SJ and Yuri so she can move forward with her life.  I am just hoping the ending will be satisfactory for all of us.  

 

I choose #2.  There was definitely an affair.  JS & SJ will divorce.

[JJ8]

I love the escapism of k-dramas. However I have just realised that for escapism I am watching a miserable story about a husband cheating on his wife with a younger women. I see this too much on the school run, albeit less glamorous!

 

The worst part of it is it seems to show he does actually mean it, he loves her, shown by  the affair lasting for three months (love the careful dateline post), his protecting Yuri and saying ‘I’m sorry’ to his wife. Then he shows decent moments by trying to stop his wife being relocated by admitting she is the victim, and also supporting his colleagues ‘me too’ campaign so I cant see him as bad, just pathetic and flawed.

 

I can’t find many redeeming qualities in Yuri,  better to have a poor loving mother than rich rejecting one and find JS’s back story of infertility, still birth and family history so much more painful.

 

Still I am taking it from the drama that those who have the affairs are narcissistic and needy and their new relationships don’t tend to survive unless they work on theme selves.

 

..and those who are left, tend to go on and fond relationships more worthy of them and their awesomeness. I see this with people I know who have been through it and hope to see it in the drama! 

 

Will cheer myself up by escaping with ‘chocolat’ this weekend! (So much trope)

[DL Wetherill]

I just saw a picture of What looks like SJ holding YR face looking like he’s about to kiss her. I don’t remember ever seeing that so far in the episodes I’ve watched. Anyone?

[TXviewer]

Pam_Van fossen
 

 Then we see in the preview for episode 13, SJ says to someone that "it's better to be evil than just be naughty".  The preview shows Yuri saying, "I know I am a bad girl, just don't hate me".  I am wondering if we will see an even bigger change (for the worse) in SJ in the upcoming episodes.  I think he now realizes that if you are going to be bad you may as well be evil. 

Oh lord, I don’t know if I can survive an even more vile SJ.

   8 minutes ago,  DL Wetherill said: 

I just saw a picture of What looks like SJ holding YR face looking like he’s about to kiss her. I don’t remember ever seeing that so far in the episodes I’ve watched. Anyone?

Where???? Don’t drop a bomb like that without revealing your source.

[TXviewer]

14 minutes ago, DL Wetherill said:

I just saw a picture of What looks like SJ holding YR face looking like he’s about to kiss her. I don’t remember ever seeing that so far in the episodes I’ve watched. Anyone?

Where???? Don’t drop a bomb like that without revealing your source.

sorry can’t figure out how to delete

[DL Wetherill]

12 minutes ago, TXviewer said:

Pam_Van fossen
 

 Then we see in the preview for episode 13, SJ says to someone that "it's better to be evil than just be naughty".  The preview shows Yuri saying, "I know I am a bad girl, just don't hate me".  I am wondering if we will see an even bigger change (for the worse) in SJ in the upcoming episodes.  I think he now realizes that if you are going to be bad you may as well be evil. 

Oh lord, I don’t know if I can survive an even more vile SJ.

   8 minutes ago,  DL Wetherill said: 

I just saw a picture of What looks like SJ holding YR face looking like he’s about to kiss her. I don’t remember ever seeing that so far in the episodes I’ve watched. Anyone?

Where???? Don’t drop a bomb like that without revealing your source.

It’s on New news on Soompi third picture down. I don’t know how to import it on to here. It’s stressing me out lol. Hoping it’s a flash back 

[Pam_Van Fossen]

3 hours ago, KDramaLogic said:

That's the problem with SJ in terms of understanding JS: JS never hid her past and current troubles (her mother's affair and abandonment, the stillbirth, etc.), let alone her FEELINGS about said troubles, from SJ, the VIP team (when JS feels it's the right time to share her account and/or feelings).

JS was always kind, open, honest, and sincere with all her dealings with everyone.  In one of the episodes she was talking to Mina about thinking you know someone when you really didn't.  Mina  basically told her that it is hard to fully know someone as they may show a different persona depending on who they are with.  JS looked astounded, and said she is the same way with everyone.  SJ is the opposite of JS and rarely shows his genuine feelings. 

 

I am not sure if we have seen any genuineness from SJ. I think he puts on a different face with each person he is with.  I have tried studying his body language in the episodes and when he is leaving Yuri, he always stops and stands with his fists closed, which means he is holding back and trying hard to not give in to his feelings.  Clenching the fist indicates firmness, a strong will, a strong desire to change things and a certain level of confidence .  When leaving JS, he stops,  looks defeated  (beaten in a battle or contest) and has unclenched fists.  Unclenched fists means to release from a tense state.  To me, it looks like SJ has to try really hard to stay away from Yuri, and having to deal with JS is something he tries to avoid and is only able to relax once the confrontation is over.  We have not heard him say the word love when talking about Yuri or JS.  The closest he has been to the word love was when he said he hurts for Yuri.  I am starting to think that SJ never loved JS.  I think he has empathy for Yuri, and is confusing that for love.        

[Pam_Van Fossen]

16 minutes ago, DL Wetherill said:

It’s on New news on Soompi third picture down. I don’t know how to import it on to here. It’s stressing me out lol. Hoping it’s a flash back 

Here is the picture on Soompi.

 

[TXviewer]

DL Wetherill

 

That scene is from a previous episode. JD was imagining SJ with each of the other 3 women. Whew!

[tas82]

Hymn so ok now I've seen all your comments, especially the ones quoting what SJ said about being naughty I think he's actually gonna be off use. The VP made a mistake trying to oust JS. I think SJ would have stood by YR and VP. I think he did love his wife at some point and he feels some guilt for he has done. He would taken the licks VP sent his way as he knows all his dodgy dealings. But now is a war. YR is useless workwise and VP is pushing her up, this coupled with SJ's inside sabotage will bring chaos. He has cost his wife a lot he won't b let them take the one thing she has left, her job. SJ  redeem yourself please......enough for her to move on and not hate you but never back in her bed nope nope nope that ship has flown. She date the nice jewelry guy.