[Drama 2019] V.I.P, 브이아이피

[partyon]

33 minutes ago, MrsSoJiSub said:

The gag for YR is, I believe SJ is very much using her as well. VP/SJ/the company are wrapped up in something (the writers better give answers as to what SJ paid/brought off that one ep)...I have theories and thoughts but who knows where the writers imagination is going. If this was all truly just and affair DISAPPOINTED wouldn't even begin to describe my feelings LOL. 

I am 100% of the same opinion. I haven't watched ep 11 or 12 yet - I have just read the comments here and the recap, so I can't say for certain yet if my theories are correct.

 

One thing that struck me was that it was said in an earlier episode that JS came from a rich family. Someone commented how lucky SJ was that he had met her. YR would be an upgrade financially compared to JS, as SJ knew YR would sooner or later be made heiress... I really don't want to think the worst of SJ, but the writer's plans for the end are a bit difficult to predict (I have noticed)...

[foreverempress]

He has made the decision to be evil to the end; so be it! Even if she never divorced him, they are not going to come back from what he did in today's episode and what he will do next episode.  I predict that SJ will commit suicide in the end after he loses his career. All the Dirty Deeds that he and the vice president committed will be exposed publicly. The VP sister will inherit the company and groom JS to take over next.

[2good2btru]

@MrsSoJiSub I find your take so insightful and helpful for my raging heart.  Your profession clearly shines through.  Love it!

 

One of my biggest fear is that you have a much better understanding than the writers on human dynamics, relationships,  and underlying meaning behind behaviors/actions so they aren't able bring the storyline and it's characters to full potential.  In addition,  there seems to be a trend lately of great dramas falling short when it comes to wrapping up a series and providing a satisfactory ending. VIP writers please be an exception to this!

 

I am really looking forward to reading your take on episode 12 and 13 preview.  I haven't watched 12 myself but I will keep your words in mind when I do. Otherwise,  I might need to give myself a new tv for Christmas as I play out in real life the scene where the VP's wife throws the remote at the tv. Lol

[DL Wetherill]

Ok so in the English Subtitles SJ says to the VP “ I’m going to stay beside YR FOR NOW “ interesting choice of words. 
This painful JS has stressed me out to no end.?However, tonight I see a bright light at the end of the tunnel. What you ask? All those women working together on the Sexual Harassment/Attempted Rape(s) and backed up by some of the men. 
VP, SJ and YR about to discover what happens when you richard simmons off an entire group of women. It’s going to get really interesting. “Hell has no fury” like a pissed off woman or better yet a bunch of women.

So pop the popcorn and fasten your seatbelts “Its going to be a bumpy ride”.

[Elmaas]

The husband reminds me of the wife from My Ahjussi. He wasn’t wearing his wedding ring in ep12 and from what I’ve  gathered from the preview for next weeks episode, I really don’t think he’ll redeem himself. Even if he didn’t sleep with the mistress, the fact that he would drag his wife through all of this knowing her history with her mom- I can’t see them ever being back together. It wouldn’t be right. I just hope that the writers give us something. I really want to see the fall of the VP and his awful daughter. And really, really hope that he in some small way contributes to it. I don’t think he’ll though.

 

On a another note, I was happy to see her get rid of the baby’s stuff. I think that’s a huge win for her. She can finally get the closure she needs. 

[Leila Essalih]

1 hour ago, KDramaLogic said:

 

Brilliant take on all this @MrsSoJiSub! YR, the doe-eyed yet conniving mastermind behind SJ and JS's pending breakdown, with SJ none the wiser (or is he?)...

 

Still, whether SJ is engaging in some power play with the VP (by using YR) or he's really having an affair with YR, isn't he just hurting JS more and thus ruining their marriage by not bothering to reveal anything to her when she's asking him!? SJ, now is the time to fess up to JS, or she will surely burn you (along with the the VP and YR) on both personal and professional grounds and leave you with nothing but the misery which you singlehandedly deserve for all the unnecessary pain that JS had to endure at home and at work over a "(non-)affair".

I can see that you have always hope that he isn't a cheater. he is and he confirmed that by all ways.

[kdramagrandma]

Watched EP12 with eng subs as soon as it’s out and here I am ranting rather than sleeping. Should not make an account at first place.  *doublefacepalm*

 

Jung Sun really proves how strong she is as a friend and also a leader by actively participating in their conquest to expose Director Bae. She was there when HyunA needs someone to listen to her and she was there when Mi Na needs the support. She keeps her problem under cover, her emotions in check, perform her job perfectly like how a leader should be. It can be seen how her issue was not the focus in this episode except when she met VP about her transfer and she focused her energy and resources to help HyunA and Mi Na. It shows that she can actually be there when someone needs her even if she is under distress because of her own problem. The fact that Sung Jun hides everything for the sake of “protecting” her, not wanting to “hurt” her really not founded because Jung Sun really can protect herself. The problem lies on Sung Jun who refuses to come clean when given the chances. It is not a matter whether he really had an affair or not because what Jung Sun wanted was the truth and Sung Jun keeps hiding everything. I am not defending Jung Sun because both of them do hold some degree of fault but I cannot help but think this can be avoided if Sung Jun just come clean. But then we would not get any drama we are getting now. 
 

It seems like Sung Jun does not totally lose his conscience yet as he helped in defending HyunA action of exposing Director Bae. I really hope that he still got something up on his sleeve because it seems like he really want to change the whole system rather than reprimanding a small portion of people. However, he needs a whole lot of repenting if he wants to go back to Jung Sun. Whatever his big picture is by staying with VP and decided to be by Yuri side for now, that does not justify all the hurt he imposed on Jung Sun. There is nothing that being evil to the end is better than being half evil. Once you become evil, you are evil. And to stop becoming evil, you need to start repenting for every single evil deed you have done and seek forgiveness from people who suffered by your evilness. 

Random thought. I kinda feel like the amount of hugs that Sung Jun gave Yuri and be there for her actually exceeded the amount of hugs he has given to Jung Sun. He really seems like he always there when Yuri needs someone to console her. The hug that Jung Sun got was when she actually ask for it. It feels like he does not try his best to console Jung Sun when she was grieving but he was there in every scene Yuri is in distress. Am I overthinking or is it because we are not given that much flashback scene during the year after miscarriage happened. 

 

 

[KDramaLogic]

1 hour ago, Leila Essalih said:

I can see that you have always hope that he isn't a cheater. he is and he confirmed that by all ways.

 

Well, for JS's sake given their 10 years of marriage that was marred for one year by the tragic loss of their unborn baby, why would anyone, including JS, want SJ to be the cheater/adulterer in the first place?

 

Also, up until the recent episodes (or, at least, the end of Ep. 8), we Soompiers and viewers were not given a full scope what's going on with JS and SJ, given the drama's slow pacing and several red herrings thrown here and there. Some thought that SJ was cheating with MN (Mina), the mother 2-going-on-3 children (talk about multiple betrayals at home and work!!!!!!!). Some thought that SJ was cheating with HA (Hyunah) because of their previous history before JS entered the VIP team. Some thought that SJ was lying about having any affair in order to cover up whatever he's doing on behalf of the VP and/or the company (bribery, covering for VP and/or VIP's extramarital affairs, etc.). Heck, some earlier comments speculated that SJ's affair was probably all in JS's head, and that JS had some bipolar disorder or other mental/delusional condition- which is total bs that I never bought...

 

None of us wanted to jump to conclusions about the worst in SJ (or YR despite initial speculation about her being the VP's mistress) until we all got the full story, which agonizingly took a gazillion years and countless tears, screams, suspicion and pain that could've been avoided if only SJ had come clean about his affair to JS when she asked nicely.

 

However, I did indicate, if not directly mention, in most of my posts in this thread that SJ is to blame for allowing his affair with YR to escalate and jeopardize JS's sanity, marriage and work, especially now that the VP is using SJ and YR's affair to try and replace JS with YR at Sungwoon Department VIP team. I also did indicate in my previous post below that SJ does not give JS the love and respect she deserves when she was willing to overlook SJ's affair as long as SJ comes clean about said affair:

 

20 hours ago, KDramaLogic said:

Then, when I see the present scenes, I swerve back to thinking: "SJ, your wife is giving you a chance to come clean about your "affair". Apparently, JS loves you and wants to be with you despite her anger in finding out your lies. Why are you still hiding the "other woman's" identity? Why did you confiscate the CCTV footage of that night that JS saw the "SJ's mistress" text? Why are you going to the VP's daughter's (or "mistress", before the "VP's daughter" public announcement) instead of fulfilling his promise of meeting up with JS and disclosing your "affair"? Because nothing that you're doing right now is reassuring JS (or some of us Soompiers and viewers) that you still love or respect your wife- that is, if you ever did before or during those 10 years of marriage..."

 

And one more thing that I emphasized in most of my posts: SJ (along with the VP and YR) can suffer JS's wrath and lose everything both personally and at work for allowing the VP and YR to use his affair to walk all over JS (and her VIP team).

 

 

EDIT: Btw, what I mentioned in the last two paragraphs above are mostly about how SJ is letting the VP and YR use his affair with YR to try and sabotage JS (and her VIP team), as well as how SJ didn't come forward with the affair to JS. Those alone should be enough for JS to cancel and humiliate SJ, the VP, and YR.

 

Unfortunately, SJ's actions in Ep. 12 are only cementing his (and YR's and the VP's) grave while further tormenting our competent but poor JS at work. SJ's not even divorced yet, and he's already declaring that he'll stay by YR's side...and is sticking to that promise throughout this episode and in Ep. 13 preview!? That is total disrespect to JS on SJ's part as a spouse AND colleague, and JS should incinerate him now before he, the VP, and YR get the upper hand at work (seriously, YR is about to be promoted to branch manager!?!?!)

 

Now, I've seen comments from Soompi, Dramamilk, and other VIP-drama-related threads stating that JS should just cut her losses and divorce SJ instead of seeking revenge on him. I would have agreed to this sentiment IF SJ and YR's affair was not going to result in JS's unjust pending work relocation and YR's unfair job promotion. This affair has compromised JS's personal AND professional life; there's no way that she, along with the VIP team, should let such work injustice to occur over SJ's affair. I mean, HA (and, to some extent, MN) finally decided to file a lawsuit against Director Bae rather than continue suffering alone the stigma of work sexual harassment. It's time that JS take back her life too, of course with the help of her VIP team (minus SJ and YR, obviously)!

[peachfuzz]

32 minutes ago, kdramagrandma said:

Watched EP12 with eng subs as soon as it’s out and here I am ranting rather than sleeping. Should not make an account at first place.  *doublefacepalm*

 

Jung Sun really proves how strong she is as a friend and also a leader by actively participating in their conquest to expose Director Bae. She was there when HyunA needs someone to listen to her and she was there when Mi Na needs the support. She keeps her problem under cover, her emotions in check, perform her job perfectly like how a leader should be. It can be seen how her issue was not the focus in this episode except when she met VP about her transfer and she focused her energy and resources to help HyunA and Mi Na. It shows that she can actually be there when someone needs her even if she is under distress because of her own problem. The fact that Sung Jun hides everything for the sake of “protecting” her, not wanting to “hurt” her really not founded because Jung Sun really can protect herself. The problem lies on Sung Jun who refuses to come clean when given the chances. It is not a matter whether he really had an affair or not because what Jung Sun wanted was the truth and Sung Jun keeps hiding everything. I am not defending Jung Sun because both of them do hold some degree of fault but I cannot help but think this can be avoided if Sung Jun just come clean. But then we would not get any drama we are getting now. 

Random thought. I kinda feel like the amount of hugs that Sung Jun gave Yuri and be there for her actually exceeded the amount of hugs he has given to Jung Sun. He really seems like he always there when Yuri needs someone to console her. The hug that Jung Sun got was when she actually ask for it. It feels like he does not try his best to console Jung Sun when she was grieving but he was there in every scene Yuri is in distress. Am I overthinking or is it because we are not given that much flashback scene during the year after miscarriage happened. 

 

I enjoyed reading your post! I’m glad you made your account (but I feel evil because all of this is at the expense of you getting quality sleep ) 

 

The difference between Jung Sun and Sung Joon sure is huge... 

 

I feel the same way about Sung Jun and his hugs for Yu Ri. I mean, yeah, we saw him check on his wife to see if she was still breathing blah blah blah, but we barely ever saw him showing her deep empathy and grieving with her. I suppose she may not have wanted him to physically console her with hugs and whatnot, but did he even try to communicate with her? Talk to her? I don’t think he ever put in this much effort for Jung Sun.... 

[NAB]

40 minutes ago, kdramagrandma said:

Watched EP12 with eng subs as soon as it’s out and here I am ranting rather than sleeping. Should not make an account at first place.  *doublefacepalm*

 

Jung Sun really proves how strong she is as a friend and also a leader by actively participating in their conquest to expose Director Bae. She was there when HyunA needs someone to listen to her and she was there when Mi Na needs the support. She keeps her problem under cover, her emotions in check, perform her job perfectly like how a leader should be. It can be seen how her issue was not the focus in this episode except when she met VP about her transfer and she focused her energy and resources to help HyunA and Mi Na. It shows that she can actually be there when someone needs her even if she is under distress because of her own problem. The fact that Sung Jun hides everything for the sake of “protecting” her, not wanting to “hurt” her really not founded because Jung Sun really can protect herself. The problem lies on Sung Jun who refuses to come clean when given the chances. It is not a matter whether he really had an affair or not because what Jung Sun wanted was the truth and Sung Jun keeps hiding everything. I am not defending Jung Sun because both of them do hold some degree of fault but I cannot help but think this can be avoided if Sung Jun just come clean. But then we would not get any drama we are getting now. 
 

It seems like Sung Jun does not totally lose his conscience yet as he helped in defending HyunA action of exposing Director Bae. I really hope that he still got something up on his sleeve because it seems like he really want to change the whole system rather than reprimanding a small portion of people. However, he needs a whole lot of repenting if he wants to go back to Jung Sun. Whatever his big picture is by staying with VP and decided to be by Yuri side for now, that does not justify all the hurt he imposed on Jung Sun. There is nothing that being evil to the end is better than being half evil. Once you become evil, you are evil. And to stop becoming evil, you need to start repenting for every single evil deed you have done and seek forgiveness from people who suffered by your evilness. 

Random thought. I kinda feel like the amount of hugs that Sung Jun gave Yuri and be there for her actually exceeded the amount of hugs he has given to Jung Sun. He really seems like he always there when Yuri needs someone to console her. The hug that Jung Sun got was when she actually ask for it. It feels like he does not try his best to console Jung Sun when she was grieving but he was there in every scene Yuri is in distress. Am I overthinking or is it because we are not given that much flashback scene during the year after miscarriage happened. 

 

 

I wanted to punch his face....hugging and consoling her the way he NEVER did for his wife.

[peachfuzz]

12 minutes ago, NAB said:

I wanted to punch his face....hugging and consoling her the way he NEVER did for his wife.

 

You and me both... 

At this point, I seriously question if he ever loved his wife...

[etelou1]

 

Yeah I'm back to my original thoughts on this drama THE.WRITING.IS.BAD......Insert clapping hands after each PERIOD. The fact that there are only 4 episodes left but the characters haven't progressed at all says it all. The whole point of this being called VIP doesn't make sense if the main point of the drama is about the end of a marriage. 

I need everyone to just agree that this marriage isn't worth saving anymore okay.....like why? what do you get from a ..... man like this. Slap them both, kick him in his nuts and move on. 

 

someone tall me how I can insert images  (not from URL) into this 

[Carmarie]

JS, hire a detective, gather the dirt and sue SJ for every penny he has!  He will see, once he cannot provide for YR, she will not want him any longer, I want him to pay for hurting JS.  I want him broken and alone.  JS is the one who took the vows, he is the one who should have restrained himself.  He should have put his wife and their marriage first. 

As for YR I want to see her fail so miserably that her reputation will be permanently ruined and the only job she can get is a sales job.

[smlinwa]

6 hours ago, MrsSoJiSub said:

The gag for YR is, I believe SJ is very much using her as well. VP/SJ/the company are wrapped up in something (the writers better give answers as to what SJ paid/brought off that one ep)...I have theories and thoughts but who knows where the writers imagination is going. If this was all truly just and affair DISAPPOINTED wouldn't even begin to describe my feelings

i thought the thing SJ bought was the picture of the VP’s mistress’ family to black mail her to leave the VP. The scene where SJ meets her and then throws up afterwards. 

[maribella]

34 minutes ago, smlinwa said:

i thought the thing SI bought was the picture of the VP’s family to black mail her to leave the VP. The scene where SJ meets her and then throws up afterwards. 

That thread of him throwing up in the lane just ended there. I guess another red herring.

 

I was reading a list of Korean dramas one shouldn't watch because the endings are 'bad'. i.e. sad or open ended or just plain what the heck. 'What happened in Bali' is the worst I think. But I have not seen such shows lately, 'stairways to heaven' type. I hope we don't get it here. The writer must believe there is a natural balance of good and bad. Much as I hope that SJ falls flat on his face, but that would hurt JS too since she still loves him despite her revenge mode. 
 

I checked back the blurp on this show, it says mystery drama.  The show has been about marriage, love, illegitimacy but very little on corporate shenanigans. If it turned out SJ is some hero, faking his concern for YR, really protecting JS etc. etc...  I'd better start looking for an ugly dog avatar. But I think there's a snowball chance in hell of that happening. He has burned his bridges.

[DL Wetherill]

So as I continue to process the last two episodes I’m thinking about this

1. SJ knows all of the VP’s dirty dealings and has been involved in them many no doubt illegal. So the VP wants to keep him close. 
2. Now SJ may begin to see with finding out YR sending the text, that she is not so innocent and helpless as she pretends.

3. YR’s tears everytime she is trying to get what she wants and it’s not going her way. That’s going to get old fast.

4. The VP and the rest of that family doesn’t know SJ is the product of a mistress.It seems that those families always try to hook the heirs up to influential families that can do something for their company. So even though YR is the product of an unmarried relationship, SJ’s background may not go over well. If he thinks his half siblings were brutal...I’m betting the VP and family will be far worse.

5. YR’s promotion is not going to go well and if she thinks she’s not liked before....just watch what happens when that and the betrayal of JS gets revealed.

6. I’m convinced that JS wouldn’t be at all upset about SJ’s background and I’m convinced she still loves him.

7. SJ’s mother probably still doesn’t know what is happening with JS and I’m sure will be upset. Plus it is highly possible that SJ’s background will be revealed and his mother will get hurt in the process.

8. If YR never sent that Text message this could have been repaired without all the pain.

 

9. And finally what if YR isn’t really the VP’s real daughter. Once the Family Registry was mentioned and the fact she could inherit it all. You know someone will run a DNA test. If YR knew the VP and her Mom dated I wouldn’t put it past her to fabricate something to get a better life. She’s a real weasel.

What does everyone think?

[Nymeria289]

I think having calmed down and thinking it through........this is my second show where I see the husband throwing away years of marriage and go into the arm of another woman post loosing a child because the wife cannot handle the loss rationally like the husband, the first show was Children of Nobody. Loosing a child is traumatic but is in no way excuse to cheat.  Go seek counselling and then file for legal separation if it doesn't work.....Why would you cheat? The though process must be...I lost a child same as you, if I can cope with it so should you, since you can't, I deserve love from elsewhere........that is just richard simmons. SJ's biggest mistake was first giving up on his marriage, second start an affair behind his wife's back and third keep it from her thinking he is doing JS some favor all the while emotionally cheating on her.  Did any of that work? Now he is standing idly by while VP is pushing his legally married wife out of the picture to give him and Yuri a happy ending by demoting her unethically and all he can do is run into Yuri's arm. JS will eventually leave this waste of space for a human being but I hope she gives him and Yuri hell before doing that.

[smlinwa]

3 hours ago, DL Wetherill said:

Ok so in the English Subtitles SJ says to the VP “ I’m going to stay beside YR FOR NOW “ interesting choice of words. 
This painful JS has stressed me out to no end.?However, tonight I see a bright light at the end of the tunnel. What you ask? All those women working together on the Sexual Harassment/Attempted Rape(s) and backed up by some of the men. 
VP, SJ and YR about to discover what happens when you richard simmons off an entire group of women. It’s going to get really interesting. “Hell has no fury” like a pissed off woman or better yet a bunch of women.

So pop the popcorn and fasten your seatbelts “Its going to be a bumpy ride”.

I was really happy to see the women work together too to bring down a bad guy!

[Josh Marquez]

So I decided to read recaps instead of watching last night’s episode, i wanna save myself from being stressed over the stupid husband. I’ll be watching the drama again only when JS decides to fully take revenge over the VP, YR, and stupid blank face husband. I’m just hoping that at the end of the drama JS will eventually move on and leave the marriage, it’s not worth saving anymore too much has been said and done.  

[redpome]

2 hours ago, Carmarie said:

JS, hire a detective, gather the dirt and sue SJ for every penny he has!  He will see, once he cannot provide for YR, she will not want him any longer, I want him to pay for hurting JS.  I want him broken and alone.  JS is the one who took the vows, he is the one who should have restrained himself.  He should have put his wife and their marriage first. 

As for YR I want to see her fail so miserably that her reputation will be permanently ruined and the only job she can get is a sales job.

 

I really curious what is in SJ 's mind so he behave like that. Look like he dosn't love JS and only care about YR.

 

Is it drama will be happy ending with JS and SJ remain in marriage?

 

Cheer Up JS. You have a lot of support from your friend. You will find your way to be happy even if end up without your husband by your side.

 

This drama make me remember Kim Hyun Ju's "I Have A Lover". The caracter of the husband is a little bit similar. Fall in the pity younger girl. Can not holding the wife's hand when the wife is still in pain of losing their child. 

 

50 minutes ago, Josh Marquez said:

So I decided to read recaps instead of watching last night’s episode, i wanna save myself from being stressed over the stupid husband. I’ll be watching the drama again only when JS decides to fully take revenge over the VP, YR, and stupid blank face husband. I’m just hoping that at the end of the drama JS will eventually move on and leave the marriage, it’s not worth saving anymore too much has been said and done.  

 

I think so. SJ dosn't deserve the happy life with JS. Let him beeing misarable and in sadness forever, full of regret for not holding JS'hand.