[Drama 2019] V.I.P, 브이아이피

[Guest]

14 minutes ago, maribella said:

@triplem you still can't accept that the writer is giving us a lying, cheating, cleaner upper for the main man?
Of course he had an affair, not just a one night stand drunk incident but a continuing adulterous relationship. My guess is YR had sent the note to JS, without that he would still continue. He is not an upstanding man. Look at the errands he did for his boss, that's not his job.

Anyway, if he is really some undercover agent and YR is really his sidekick, I'll change my avatar for a month to some ugly animal. The gracious family thread changed theirs to a fish when they were wrong.

Lol! It’s ok , you don’t hv to change your avatar . Just my crazy speculation. It’s the way the drama is set up that cast doubts .  But we’ll know soon enough. 

[2good2btru]

 Response to SJ possibility not cheating, let's say he isn't, then why admit that you are? Is there anything more devastating and scarring that your spouse could do that is worse than cheating?

 

On top of that not only does he admit to cheating but doesn't deny that he may be in love with the girl he cheated on you with.  And, even though you've agreed to reconcile, asked if there is anything else you need to know or if he is lying about anything else and he says no but you find out he's still lying and protecting the one he betrayed you with. Furthermore,  he has not said I still love you once  in present time. And to put the cherry on the cake,  he humiliates you further by putting work and other people's problems and feelings before your own,  especially the mistress who he still meets to provide comfort and protection.

 

Where in all of that says he still loves his wife? I naturally gravitate to happy endings and redemption and rooted for reconciliation.  But as I watch episode after episode of constant disregard by husband to wife's suffering, emotional beatdown, and lack of support, I say let them (VP,  YR, SJ) all fall and crumble!  

 

I love LSY but his character has not shown any redeemable qualities or actions for me to say, dude you deserve to forgiven and given another chance. So sorry but not sorry but you'll have to go down too 

[DL Wetherill]

I agree in this role so far his LSY ‘s affect has been so flat and his actions so awful. I went back and started watching Second 20’s and Master in the House so I can remember what I love so much about LSY. Come on Monday hurry up and get here.

 

 

[Maureen Mckay]

My feeling now is these 2 plus the VP must go down, publically. Will Mi Na spill the beans to the ousted Exec??? That would help JS.  Will JS now pay for her coming forward from the VP?   Probably, because it will affect him.  She needs help now.  I am hoping Mi Na does spill the truth or her coworkers help her or that the VP's wife helps her in some way.  Because those 3 need to get hurt, bigtime!!! Oh this show puts knots in my stomach.  2 days to go!  WHAT DO OTHERS THINK???? I NEED TO KNOW!

[TXviewer]

I am a big fan of LSY also. I think he is doing such a great job of this role that those of us who are fans are really disturbed by this character. I think of him as a lost soul that does not know which way to turn because he has made such a mess of his life.I wish that he would say something! I will be glad when this series ends so at least we have closure on this character. But I can’t wait for the next episode.

I am also a big fan of Masters in the House and can’t wait for Sunday-actually Monday where I am.

[Maureen Mckay]

2 hours ago, 2good2btru said:

 Response to SJ possibility not cheating, let's say he isn't, then why admit that you are? Is there anything more devastating and scarring that your spouse could do that is worse than cheating?

 

On top of that not only does he admit to cheating but doesn't deny that he may be in love with the girl he cheated on you with.  And, even though you've agreed to reconcile, asked if there is anything else you need to know or if he is lying about anything else and he says no but you find out he's still lying and protecting the one he betrayed you with. Furthermore,  he has not said I still love you once  in present time. And to put the cherry on the cake,  he humiliates you further by putting work and other people's problems and feelings before your own,  especially the mistress who he still meets to provide comfort and protection.

 

Where in all of that says he still loves his wife? I naturally gravitate to happy endings and redemption and rooted for reconciliation.  But as I watch episode after episode of constant disregard by husband to wife's suffering, emotional beatdown, and lack of support, I say let them (VP,  YR, SJ) all fall and crumble!  

 

I love LSY but his character has not shown any redeemable qualities or actions for me to say, dude you deserve to forgiven and given another chance. So sorry but not sorry but you'll have to go down too 

He has quietly calculated it all. He was the one that let the VP be exposed so she could be legitimized as his daughter and he could be promoted. Remember, YR overheard Mi Na and that exec talking and tbrn ran to him. So he knew what they were doing.  He also knows it was YR that sent that text to his wife.  Then he asks his wife for a quiet divorce as its his hope for no scandal and then he will have all of what he is hoping for but she doesn't agree with that. Then she exposes them with proof. Foil #2... he has to go down.  All 3 of them and that is including the VP.   LSY must have found this character to be a challenge for him to portray cuz why else would you want to play such a weak and horrible character.??? 

[TXviewer]

Can someone help me? I swear I saw in flashbacks the person in that car the SJ was talking to about sending the text. I won’t say who it was but I can’t find the episode.

I’d say I was dreaming but because of this show I haven’t been sleeping.  Which episode was,please? Thanks

[Maureen Mckay]

On 12/4/2019 at 1:04 AM, wannammj said:

Just finished watching latest episode with subs..

He told his wife that his father dead.. When his father really died, he cant even tell JS the truth.. Thats what differ him with JS.. She tell the truth about ut her mother even she also resent her mother.. Then, he get consoled by YR and making him felt "complete"?? What the....... Both SJ and YR are mistress child.. They should know the best the pain they going through.. Both their mother has depression/anxiety disorder.. They should know the best.. Yet, they want to cont their relationship.. 

 

I felt great when all of them actually thinking high about SJ as because of his wife, the true potential of his wife, not himself.. A man is looked by how his wife is.. They always think highly of him as they saw how calm and "happy" JS is.. But they didn't know how she is at home.. The sadness, the grieve she going through.. 

 

To add some more.. The funeral also happen when JS just having miscarriage/sickness.. As SJ told her to get rest and recovered.. He felt empthy in other women hand where his wife is in grieve alone at home.. OMG.. A miscarriage with long years of waiting is very depressing.. Poor JS..

 

In his eyes, he may saw his wife as perfect. He making it worse by not telling the truth by making excuses dont want to add in pain to JS.. But doing that causing more pain. excruciating pain.!! He cant even see his wife's face now because he know how shameful he is.. Instead of divorce , he should make up for what he did.. He even went to YR the night when his wife waiting for her.. Thats in footage, the date and time there.. He doesn't stop..

 

A one time flower is not enough!! It just a show of, not a remorse!! 

Now i get emotional.. JS, i'm in your team.. 

 

Ps: i cant see any scene where he can mention the last statement to JS unless it is a flashed back /for work. 

Totally agree with you.

 

45 minutes ago, TXviewer said:

Can someone help me? I swear I saw in flashbacks the person in that car the SJ was talking to about sending the text. I won’t say who it was but I can’t find the episode.

I’d say I was dreaming but because of this show I haven’t been sleeping.  Which episode was,please? Thanks

Ep 7 is the car scene where you don't see who is talking with.  It must ep 8 or 9 where we see her.

[imgreatgal]

8 hours ago, Maureen Mckay said:

He is so calculating...he was the one that exposed the VP's secret. Why. It would give YR power and legitimacy, him a promotion.

It was Mr Bae who exposed the vp. Anyway even if SangJun had anything to do with it it worked out for the best. The way I see it now that the secret is out in the open there will be less embarrassment for the VP. He doesn't need SangJun to be his liaison with YuRi, the VP can get his secretary to do it and that means SangJun will be meeting less of YuRi.

[LSYfan]

For SJ & YR shippers...only

 

[LSYfan]

10 hours ago, triplem said:

I might sound crazy  but I have this strange feeling that the twist is that SJ did not have any affair ( physical or emotional) . From watching with subs for eps 9 & 10, a lot of the fessing up alluded to an affair but the impression I get is that he was offering a shoulder to cry on for someone who is in the same predicament as he is ( both being illegitimate children )  . She definitely has a crush on him but all the photos and flashbacks seem rather one sided to me.  If you watch a lot of crime dramas, they often love to have setups like that.  Every conversation or scene is misleading ...

 

But regardless , if you have yet to watch with subs especially of the latest episodes , you should. The conversations reveal more about the state of mind of all the characters here.

 

For me,  the marriage breakdown was not really because of this supposed affair. The "affair" just brought to surface the underlying problems in the marriage .  There were  already some cracks - the disappointment of not having a child ( the miscarriage) seems to have been one of the things that strained the marriage.  Quite telling was what SJ told him at his mother's house about how he has ruined their marriage because it will hurt his mum and her dad - so they have been holding for every else's happiness but their own. And at the end of the day , I think they both need to take some time out to regroup and rediscover what it is that made them fall in love if reconciliation is the route the drama will take . SJ will need to take a step back  instead of allowing bitterness to consume her  ( I can understand her grief and anger now of course) because at the end of the day she will get hurt the most if she goes on a revenge path. It is lose lose all round. 

 

By the way , i like the Hyun A  - Joon Won side love story...initially I thought he was little smarmy but ehhh he turned out to be a pretty decent guy.  And sweet. lol! I ship them 

I hope you are right @triplem ... the marriage breakdown was not really because of this supposed affair. The "affair" just brought to surface the underlying problems in the marriage .  There were  already some cracks - the disappointment of not having a child ( the miscarriage) seems to have been one of the things that strained the marriage. 

 

and since I am shipping for SJ & JS, I have a crazy idea of JS being pregnant & she asks whether they have a chance to be together again...preview LOL

 

[MrsSoJiSub]

I have binged this drama up to the latest episode and it is superb. I like the way the writer and director have made cheating/potential affair (I don't think the husband cheated nor had an affair. They just want us to believe that) so suspenseful with so many twists and turns and moral dilemmas abound. The acting and characterizations are superb. Cheating is wrong (well not cheating since that is not what I think took/is taking place) but boy is it not a black and white, clear cut ordeal to go through and or experience. I love that the drama is showing us all the moral grey in it all. And the complex nature of such a thing. 

 

At the core of it I don't think the husband cheated. I don't think we're watching how affair/cheating destroy marriages and lives. No I think were watching a series about trust, communication, ambition, sacrifice...how far we all willing to go, how much we are willing to endure, to give up, for the thins we want or think we want. How easy it is to become selfish and neglect other's feelings and our own morals.

 

There is so much wrong in the marriage (affair or not). The walls, the secrets, the lies, the false pretenses of who they are. The amount of things both of them leave unsaid. Their inability to truly be vulnerable with one another at the same time. Speak honestly with each other at the same time. Get mean and ugly, hurts each other's feelings if they must and just really talk, be honest, and communicate with each other. From the beginning of the drama, the PD physically shows us the framed distance between the two that had nothing to do with an affair and everything to do with who they are and their lack of honesty (and pretends and ambition). 

 

I don't think the husband is having an affair. I think he loves his wife. But obviously he doesn't love her above his own ambitions and goals. The man wants to be an executive and he is willing to do anything to get there. He has hitched that goal onto the VP's horse/cart. He is will sacrifice his personal beliefs and morals (cue the vomiting scene), the respect/standing of his colleagues (many know of the "affair"), and horrifically his wife and marriage; if it'll get him that position. I don't think he had an affair, and it doesn't even matter. The fact that he is willing to put himself but especially his wife through so much heartache, so much mental torture, so much hurt. Her self esteem is shattered, part of her identity and worth and knowing is dust. She is becoming unrecognizable (watching her dig through papers, text messages, driving to hotels, stalking, watching CV footage, her paranoia, doubts of friends and colleagues...so sad) . And he is doing nothing, nothing. That's sad and infuriating. He loves her but not enough. He doesn't love her enough to give up his executive ambitions and just be honest about everything with her.

 

Even if he's not cheating, the fact that he put her through all of this...ALL OF THIS for...what!?!?? I can't think of anything that justifies this behavior. This torture. Like, you don't trust her enough to tell her what the heck is going on so they can be partners, each other's half (oh the irony of their saved screen names) in it all...DIVORCE!!! I can't think of any secret or he's protecting her, that is worth what she is being put through. Divorce because I just don't see how they can come back from this.

 

Also the wife as much as I sympathize with her, has her share of responsibility to bare in this whole situation. Relationships (of any kind) succeed or fail from everyone involved. This post is already too long. So imma save that for next time. 

 

ETA: It doesn't even matter. The why's, the blame game, what really is going on....JS girl PACK YOUR THINGS AND LEAVE! Leave him! Leave the company (apparently her family is wealthy enough for that). Get a divorce and move to the US to help Daniel make Trifone a success, heck go to Jamaica and get your groove back! Girl, just leave this toxic, draining mess. I know you got abandonment issues and don't want to be like your mom. But this is not the same situation. You would be leaving him, not him leaving you and he's more your mom than you are. GO!!! Run girl run already!!!

[LSYfan]

8 hours ago, DL Wetherill said:

I agree in this role so far his LSY ‘s affect has been so flat and his actions so awful. I went back and started watching Second 20’s and Master in the House so I can remember what I love so much about LSY. Come on Monday hurry up and get here.

 

 

Haters are coming in LOL, bravo LSY has done a good job for being Park SungJun.

Watching Master In the House would help & perhaps we have to rewatch his hit drama ‘My Daughter SeoYoung’ haha (ML divorced FL...but reconcile)

 

Watching BTS VIP with English sub would help too

 

[Samuel Yohanes]

The theory is going wild this week.

I read some great fresh theory and idea that i never had thought before. 

 

Props to the director to bring the story unfold one by one although the start is a bit too slow ( and boring for some people ) but now when the big reveal come one by one. It is become so interesting because everything seems connected and i believe everything is connected somehow. 

 

There are lots of evidence and unanswered question about what happen in VIP

 

Some notable one:

1. What is the reason Jung Sun had a miscarriage? ( Although it never mentioned but the hint from all the baby room is strong enough for this question?

 

2. Who is Mina baby father? Why she want to do the abortion? 

 

3. Is it clear enough that Hyunah had nothing to do with sung jun since the conffession to jung sun? ( probably yes but it will be interesting to know more about this and it will be pretty sad if hyunah just become a sidekick story ) not to mention jun woo play basketball with sung jun.

 

4. What path does Jung sun want to go with sung jun? ( revenge or reconcile ) both has a plus and minus. 

 

5. What is the new boy in vip team had to do with being secret chaebol in the team? ( i do think that his characther is interesting and hadnt got the spotlight yet. Usually the secret chaebol had a lover and that the reason they go to work and hid the identity but this one is still very questionable at the best on what is he doing at the vip team )

 

6. What is Sung Jun master plan so he had to do the dirty work for the VP ? 

 

7. Is there will be a Man come for jung sun if she goes for revenge to sung jun( although personally i am very much disagree with this idea because it will be very cheap trick but still it is a valid argument about jungsun find her own happiness) most of you guys prefer daniel from tifone for jung sun.

 

8. The ultimate one would be, would Sung Jun And Jung sun reconcile in the end?

 

Tbh, everything is wrong from the beginning. We as a viewer dont know what happen earlier in their marriage. For me as a viewer i want the drama to go for reconcile path. Something like finding the flaw upon each other and heal for each other. Mistake will always happen but it is about how both people as a flawed person come together to handle the mistake and in the end go toward a better future. 

 

For me if both come to say divorce i bet for sure that both wont be happy at all even if they remarried with other person. 

 

While the thing about love is so flawed and easily twisted between two person. Hell even in real life couple fight for a really small thing but the real task for both is to find each other flaws and both help each other so they can complete each other. 

 

Cant wait for the last 6 episode of the drama. Get ready for all the theories come after every new episode guys! And hopefully the unanswered question get answered in the next episode!

[TXviewer]

Mrs SoJiSub

This is so funny. On the Viki website I wrote my fantasy ending for VIP.

 

SoJiSub swoops in(he is JS long, lost love) to take over job of VP who is messing with Baby Momma and to offer his broad shoulders for JS to cry on. Fast forward two years (as kdramas often do) and they are walking down the aisle.

The girl is sent to Japan to study.

SJ, having learned a painful lesson, goes to US (hopefully Texas) for a new start on life.

[DL Wetherill]

I’ve been rewatching all the episodes and now I’m convinced I still don’t know who the affair was really with. I’m back to suspecting Mi-Na because it seems like SJ knows about her baby when he said so you have decided? Color me totally confused...bring on the Tylenol and some alcohol lol. Oh and Monday please 

[ktcjdrama]

14 hours ago, triplem said:

I might sound crazy  but I have this strange feeling that the twist is that SJ did not have any affair ( physical or emotional) . From watching with subs for eps 9 & 10, a lot of the fessing up alluded to an affair but the impression I get is that he was offering a shoulder to cry on for someone who is in the same predicament as he is ( both being illegitimate children )  . She definitely has a crush on him but all the photos and flashbacks seem rather one sided to me.  If you watch a lot of crime dramas, they often love to have setups like that.  Every conversation or scene is misleading ...

 

But regardless , if you have yet to watch with subs especially of the latest episodes , you should. The conversations reveal more about the state of mind of all the characters here.

You don't sound crazy at all I also don't think that SJ is having any affair with YR. Yes from the beginning, all the scenes shown to us are alluding to an affair but what I see is more of a shared sentiment by two people from similar background. He could understand her well because he is of that same status. She could open up more to him because he could understand where she is coming from. As for the romantic feelings, it is definitely one-sided from what we've shown so far. All the texts coming in are initiated by her, we've never seen him responding to the texts, except for that day when she was publicly humiliated and she begged him to come. If I were a friend of hers, I would also go to her to make sure she is alright. What he offered to YR at that time was simply (literally) a shoulder to cry on, just like when he tried to comfort Hyun-Ah at the office and JS walked in on them. 

 

Their interactions shown so far convinced me they're not that close at all. Eg.1) why would he keep bowing his head to her (showing respect to superior) even though there wasn't anyone to see? (at the hospital with her mother when he handed her the keycard to her officetel). 2) And she was very hesitant and careful to get close to him (tugging at his sleeve and leaning her forehead on his shoulder). 3) After he went to comfort her, why are they seated so formally by her dining table? Isn't that a good chance to become physical? Hugs/kisses/sex. No one was there to check on them. 4) In preview of ep.11, why would she need to ask him whether they will have a chance if he got divorced? It means she was never promised anything by him.

 

When his best friend asked him whether he wanted a divorce so he could be with that girl, he clearly denied it saying "It's not like that". Earlier when they first talked about the issue of keeping it from JS, he told his friend "I didn't think it will become like this" ~ could refer to him not thinking that YR will develop feelings for him.

 

I also never had the impression of him ever admitting to having an affair. When JS caught him at the hotel, her question was "Is it really because of a woman?" That's the Chinese subs, and from the Korean language literally was "Could it be...really...a woman?"  I can see why a lot of people thought he admitted to an affair since the English subs translated that part into "Do you really have another woman?" to which he answered "It's finished" ~ well, I can interpret that as his assignment from VP to take care of YR is finishing. He can't really explain the true nature of his assignment to her because VP needed it to remain a secret for the time being. I don't see that as doing a dirty work for the VP, it's more like handling a personal matter requested by VP. There is nothing dirty in taking care of your own daughter, even though it has to be done secretly. For me, that night, he responded to the text to meet more because of answering a duty call. This of course only after I know what their relationship is like. When I first saw it before the reveal, I also thought he was meeting the woman for personal reason.

 

The genre of this drama is mystery, not revenge melodrama. So I doubt that the remaining episodes will focus on JS with her revenge plan, but instead, there will be new reveals to the mystery so we all can finally understand what is actually going on. A revenge drama will not reveal the reason of revenge only after halfway mark of the drama. We will surely know the reason for revenge from the very beginning. Besides, with 6 more episodes left, I am sure we have not reached the climax of the story yet, so be ready for more shocking reveal with a twist. We haven't even touched on the secret identity of that male employee who is actually from a chaebol family.

 

This post has become longer than I planned. Anyway, I agree that it's important to watch with subs to understand the conversations and underlying messages. I even watched and compared English and Chinese subs for some important dialogues. Not only subs, I also think it's important to pay attention to the body language and facial expressions of the characters to better understand what the writer is trying to convey about their state of mind.

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, ktcjdrama said:

also never had the impression of him ever admitting to having an affair. When JS caught him at the hotel, her question was "Is it really because of a woman?" That's the Chinese subs, and from the Korean language literally was "Could it be...really...a woman?"  I can see why a lot of people thought he admitted to an affair since the English subs translated that part into "Do you really have another woman?" to which he answered "It's finished" ~ well, I can interpret that as his assignment from VP to take care of YR is finishing. He can't really explain the true nature of his assignment to her because VP needed it to remain a secret for the time being. I don't see that as doing a dirty work for the VP, it's more like handling a personal matter requested by VP.

This is the impression I’m getting as well and how I understand it . The translations into English  cannot fully capture the nuance & play of words in Korean . 
 

@sin hoonsim I really like what LSY is doing here for this role . He is distant ( because of all the secrets he’s been keeping ) but yet from recent episodes he’s carrying a lot of pain that he can’t seem to unload . I felt for him & SJ . Both are hurting. 

[MrsSoJiSub]

@sin hoonsim I think that LSY is doing a fantastic job in the role. As much as I loath him (cheater or not, past daddy I was born out of wedlock or not, the man is trash) some many scenes has me really seeing the turmoil and conflict that he is going through. As much as all this hurts JS, I can clearly see it's destroy MY as well. He keeps his feels close to vest, but little looks, curling of fists, etc; lets us know his feelings. I felt bad when he was sitting in the car crying. LSY is doing something right because he gets me to feel for his character and want to learn more from his POV and understand him.

 

@Samuel I do not want them to reconcile. No matter how sorry MY is. No matter how much he loves his wife or how the burdens of his own shame of himself and his secrets -work and birth- lead to this, he crossed a line that I just don't see how you overcome. I was once rooting for them to overcome all this, but MY destroyed that for me in episode 4. In episode 4 when JS made up her mind to forgive her husband and put it all behind them; she was sitting on that bench being vulnerable, ready to hurt, and just wanting the whole truth. She opened the door wide for reconciliation. Basically, tell me everything, no more secrets or lies or deception. Give me everything I need to know and I, (we'll) work through it and forgive. The man grabbed her hands and lied to her. He lied to her and effectively shut the door on repairing the damage. He had his chance and blew it!

 

If MY really wanted to repair things with JS and fix his marriage; he would have put in the work. At no point in this drama have I seen MY make any real effort to repair the damage he has done. In one scene he opened up to his friend Mr. Cha more than he has opened up to JS who has been begging for it more than 8 eps now. He has been all words and no actions in fixing what he claims to want to fix. Any time it has come to choices, he's chosen everything but his wife/marriage. I forget the episode. But when he made that u-turn to run to Yoo Ri and comfort her; leaving JS stood up in the restaurant waiting and then tried to lie his way out the confrontation by making excuses not to come home, man made his choice and it was not JS/marriage. Again, I still don't think he cheated (it's obvious to me YR's feelings are one sided in that MY is not in love with her -though he does care for her- but he did appreciate the friendship/having someone like him who understood his childhood background/unburding his shame of his birth/father too) but what in the world could be worth doing what he has been doing to his wife/marriage. What is worth having her go through this heart break of believing he's having an affair??

 

His character kind of reminds me of Eric's character in the drama 'Che Sera Sera' in that he let his greed and ambitions (is it even these things, what the heck is/are his reasons for all this???) trump his love. I hope he regrets it. I hope when his eyes open to the idiotic choices he has made and continues to make, either JS hands him divorce papers, leaves the company, and moves on to something better. Or he's stuck in a miserable, loveless marriage with YR. He gets everything he thought he desired; only to regret and miss what he had. I want Park to suffer so much. I cheered when JS took off her ring and began her woman scorned let's-go-down-together-tear-each-other-apart path at the dinner. Even if he didn't cheat, he's wounded and cut her to pieces as if he did/had! I want JS to bring him, YR, and VP to their knees!!! As the Billie Eilish song goes You should see JS in a crown. Watch her make 'em bow, one by one by one by one. 

[maribella]

Imagine if he is doing it with both women? One to make him feel strong and protecting and the other to prove he is virile?