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2 hours ago, Pmyonly said:

I don't really like  jiho banker friend and Jung in library friend don't know sometimes their conv kinda irks me I would prefer jae -in and young jae giving advices to both of them over them.Right now both jae-in and young jae moments is giving me some laughter elements they are cute together:D

 

 

 

 

@Pmyonly  on the contrary i love both of them. The way they treated their friends is what a best friend does. They talk with no filter and to the point sometime it seem cruel but what they said is true but they really concern about their friends. Young jae is too polite for me.:sweatingbullets:

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In my opinion, GS has never invited JI to his flat. When he met her in the past, he kept asking her to eat dinner at a restaurant. He always chose a chick and expensive restaurant, as if he wanted to impress her with his wealth. Secondly, when he tried to rekindle with her physically, he asked her twice if he could go to her flat. She refused twice... the first time she lied to him as she didn't want to be with him. The second time, she rejected him as she realized his intention. He was treating her like a sexual object. He only wanted to go to her place for sex. As conclusion, if they had sex, it would be at her place and not his.

 

I mean, he could have brought her to his apartment in order to impress her as well but it looks like he never did. And this is really important because it shows that in fact GS kept his distance from JI physically and emotionally. He preferred spending his time at his flat for work than bringing his girlfriend there. Remember in the conversation from the episode 1, he told her that he would only eat with her as he had to leave her  in order to work at home. He had a closer connection to work in his flat than with JI. Now, if we take a closer look, it also illustrates his lack of love for JI. He was behaving like a king who would pay a visit to his "wife"/"concubine", when he feels like it. He would visit her chamber... a very patriarchal and misogynistic perception in my opinion. She was not "good" enough in order to be really close and intimate with her. 

 

And now, notice the contrast with JH. The latter gives her the code so that she can enter his flat. He is not even there, when she enters his flat for the first time. This underlines how much he trusts her and he wants to be intimate with her. It was as if he was showing everything to JI, as if he had no secret. GS was the exact opposite. He kept his distance as he didn't want to reveal his insecurities. However, JI knew that GS had not a good relationship with his dad and knew that his father was looking down on her without ever meeting him once. But in my opinion, GS was the reason why JI felt mistreated and looked down, as he was the one who kept his distance from her, the one who never shared his inner feelings and thoughts. He was always hiding behind his wealth and social status which created a wall between him and JI. JI has not realized yet that GS is much more to blame than she thinks, he is. Deep down, she thinks, his father played a role, while in reality, GS's insecurities and superficiality were the reasons. The chairman Kwon is not responsible for his son's actions, hiding his feelings aso. GS was the one who created the wall between them.   

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1 hour ago, polar15 said:

@Pmyonly  on the contrary i love both of them. The way they treated their friends is what a best friend does. They talk with no filter and to the point sometime it seem cruel but what they said is true but they really concern about their friends. Young jae is too polite for me.:sweatingbullets:

It's totally okay to talk without filter but the situation that jiho and Jung in are their conv with friends  are really not helping either of them.Just for example like yesterday jiho friend- Did she already dumped you? I mean that's the only question he got.And Jung in friend she kind of judge her atleast she did in initial episodes and sometimes what she says seems confusing to me,like jae-in is straight forward too but she actually helps Jung in solving issues rather than making judgements.About youngjae I really liked the way he made Jung in understand the situation yesterday.

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This is a really hard show to watch and not because it's bad. It isn't at all. There's a lot of depth here. The dialogue's very good and the actors are convincing... But my word, it's downright depressing. I feel more depressed watching this than Nokdu Flower to be honest and that's a show about bloody war and divided families. ;)  But good grief... the level of self-deception and evasion in general in this show is mind-numbing. Still, I imagine an argument can be made that Spring Night is on some level also about war and divided families too. :P 

 

A whole heap of jumbled thoughts...

It's true I think that if one pursues personal happiness in part or in whole, that someone else will be negatively impacted by it. It's not even necessarily that the person doesn't want you to be happy but they believe that you can be happier in some other fashion depending on their value system. From their perspective a different course of action is "better" because of the perceived beneficial outcomes. For every decision to be made, there are a whole range of competing concerns. But what I do object to is a kind of blindness to your own "agenda". People are naturally self-centred (even when they're being generous) and it's so easy to think that one is choosing the best course of action objectively when one's judgment is clouded by other considerations. Parents may or may not always know best but they certainly almost always believe they act in the interest of their children. And in an honour and shame society where "face" is all-important, individual choices are of low value importance unless they intersect with the demands and needs of the larger community. Achievement oriented honour and shame societies IMO place grave consequences on failure as a result.

 

I personally value individual liberty because individuals should take responsibility for their own choices and actions . It is foundational to the Judeo-Christian tradition. True diversity of thought is a crucial part of a society where people purport to be equal. But there's no denying that we are born into families and communities in whatever form and we are shaped by those larger forces as much as we believe we are capable of expressing individual impulses. 

 

 Marrying for love en masse is a recent phenomenon. Like everything else that's important, that has its pros and cons. Marriage for establishing connections, building one's reputation, wealth and fulfilling familial obligations is scarcely new and certainly not considered abhorrent until recent times. Love/affection may or may not come out of that union. But there's no doubt that marriage as an institution has been used, abused and turned on its head long before high rates of divorce and the 21st century... and yet it continues. It is certainly acts as a barometer of how the society views itself.

 

I'm rambling on somewhat because I suppose that's the context in which Spring Night is located. I imagine that's why there's so much pretence/evasion among the players because people have all kinds of reasons for why they hold onto things which have little to do with the actual pursuit of personal happiness. In a society where failure is shameful, to walk away from a relationship no matter the personal dynamics surely denotes failure.  So people cling on because it is a fate worse than death. Self-deception ensues. People confuse self-interest with love.

 

"If we just try harder... we can make it work. If we try harder we will find a reason to stay together." I suppose I'm torn because I think there is a time and place for having those thoughts.  I certainly don't think we should make decisions entirely on emotions either. Relationships are too hard and too precious to be left to mere emotions. But a lack of it, isn't the answer either. 

 

I suppose at this stage of my viewing (which is very slow) I mainly root for JH in so far that he and I share the belief that the truth is an important component in establishing and maintaining a relationship. I feel that I'm witnessing a breakdown of an existing system of social control... not because there are a lot of unhappy people who are staying in dysfunctional relationships... but because the mechanisms in that system are not large enough to address the complexities in the relationship between the individual and their society in the 21st century. Only in a world where the individuals are free to choose and are held responsible for their choices can something like domestic violence be abhorrent. I just don't think a shame and honour culture would address DV in the same way.

 

 

 

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I really missed out two days of Spring Night & am bit disappointed! But as in yesterday's eps, I think I got the full picture of unseen eps...

 

The bed kiss is really passionate & mature! :wub: And it's a sign that they've become a one soul but I am so blank with Jeong In's actions. She just accepted Gi Seok's ring & then slept on Ji Ho's bed! She's surely selfish, as same as her dad but she's more than that! And as of her telling him to get rid of father-son photo, either she's ashamed of falling in love with a single dad or the little kid is gonna be a obstacle on her way! :( I dunno.... I hope someone can provide a wide explanation... Dear @bebebisous33 chingu, what is your opinion here about the photo incident..???! I am eagerly looking forward for your answer!

 

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And I shouldn't blame an elder person but Jeong In's dad is trash... He only cares for his pride not his daughters! But shouldn't his daughters be the best pride of his life..???! :o I dunno about other nations but in Asain countries, family comes first! So I really dislike her father & hope her mother'd be able to mend her husband for good!

 

And once again, time flies fast & we only have 4 days of Spring Night in our hands! Now, I am pretty much concerned about the future of Jeong In & Ji Ho & Eun U!!!! I need a happy ending for the three of them! Can't wait for the next eps... :heart:

 

And glad to see dear @40somethingahjumma chingu here after a long time.... :)

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16 minutes ago, gm4queen said:

And as of her telling him to get rid of father-son photo, either she's ashamed of falling in love with a single dad or the little kid is gonna be a obstacle on her way! :( I dunno.... I hope someone can provide a wide explanation

 

The explanation is a very, very simple one:  she was embarrassed because the picture made her feel like Eun-U was looking at them while they made love.  When she asked JH to move the picture, he also made a gesture of embarrassment and he moved the frame. 

 

It had nothing to do with her being ashamed of her love for JH--she isn't ashamed of that at all!  And it had nothing to do with Eun-U being an obstacle because JI accepts him completely.

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@gm4queen glad to see you here :D.I think she very carefully explained why she accepted the ring(she tried to return it)I think what wasn't liked was why she didn't told jiho beforehand (as acc to posters here)and let him hug her. Jiho he loves Jung in but when he feels she is wrong he calls out her.He probably understood her situation that's why he wasn't mad at her even though I thought he will.

 

About her asking to turn the photo NO the reason you mentioned I can't even imagine it's disturbing thought to even begin with cause it would totally change the whole essence of this drama jung has never for once felt ashamed of eunwoo or falling in love with jiho.She adores and loves eunwoo.the  moments between them was quite intimate and that pic was like eunwoo is staring at them that made Jung in embarrassed even jiho became shy coz he felt that his child was watching them that's all.

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1 hour ago, Pmyonly said:

Pics by MBC 

 

Kinda illustrates one of the things I love about this couple:  they aren't looking for fancy meals or expensive entertainment; what they really seem to enjoy is just taking a walk together.  :wub:  

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JHI is really the lucky guy ... he has 2 greats actresses, talented, beautiful......as his parteners !

After Son Ye Jin and now Han Ji Min

and he can have many intimates scenes with them...many kisses, hugs and ...etc ...etc hahahaha !

The luckiest one !

Ep 12 is very sweet and also funny !

After the daughter who wants file a divorce and now , her Mom wants doing the same :D

All Lee's wemen have strong characters  and rebelous !

For me, GS's dad is better ( a little) than JI's !

Maybe: he doesn't want to become in-laws withLee family even he has a good feeling & respect toward JI !

It's a shame to have a dad like JI's dad; he has no pride, no honnor !

Maybe in korean society, there are many people like him !

I said it's funny bc there are many " spies" around JI & JH..... spy in pharmacy, librairy, home, friends  ....

but with good intentions for them !

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Jeong In is not like Jae In

She's mature not childish, she can't throw the ring on GS's face.

She gives back the ring to him, it's him who doesn't want take it and he imagines that

it's done, she takes it , it means she " takes " him ??!

He's wrong !

Like she explains to JH, she does as JH told her..... give GS some times,

not reacts so rude to him......

If JI stops having feelings & contacts brutally...she's not a good person !

She can do like that to GS now so she'll do like this to JH in the future !

GS told her he buys this ring for her, she should take it and after she can tthrow away if she doesn't like !

and then he goes telling  to everyone he proposes her and she accepts it !

The same he told to his dad it's OK about JI and him while his dad already knew the thruth /

So why his dad  gives him all pictures to let him know that ... stop lying , accept the thruth !

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4 hours ago, gm4queen said:

I really missed out two days of Spring Night & am bit disappointed! But as in yesterday's eps, I think I got the full picture of unseen eps...

 

The bed kiss is really passionate & mature! :wub: And it's a sign that they've become a one soul but I am so blank with Jeong In's actions. She just accepted Gi Seok's ring & then slept on Ji Ho's bed! She's surely selfish, as same as her dad but she's more than that! And as of her telling him to get rid of father-son photo, either she's ashamed of falling in love with a single dad or the little kid is gonna be a obstacle on her way! :( I dunno.... I hope someone can provide a wide explanation... Dear @bebebisous33 chingu, what is your opinion here about the photo incident..???! I am eagerly looking forward for your answer!

 

Hello! I am just a lurker here but I have to say something here because I was surprised to read your comment about the picture... I think she asks for him to turn the photo out of embarassement as they were having sex and there was the kid staring at them. It actually made me laugh a lot, in a good way. Like you are getting it on with your man and oops there is a photo of his kid and suddenly you feel like you are doing sthg you should not. I do not think she was ashamed of falling in love with him, I mean we have seen how involved she has become with Eun-U.

 

I was also a bit taken aback when she accepted the ring but when she explained, I could see where she was coming from. I think she does feel bad because she knows she is responsible for his misery. Like she said, she thought of throwing it at his face but why be cruel to him and humiliate him more? I am not sure it was the right thing to do considering how he is insisting so much, etc. but I can also see how awful she must be feeling.

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10 minutes ago, carolinedl said:

I was also a bit taken aback when she accepted the ring but when she explained, I could see where she was coming from.

 

This bothered me, too.  And I'm still not sure I understand fully.  Maybe when I re-watch.

 

But the one thing I did notice is that GS made it almost physically impossible for her to hand the ring back to him.  He backed away from her and he shoved his hands in his pockets.  (Really made me think of the way that very bratty little kids will behave when they are doing the whole "Don't Wanna" tantrum stuff.)  The only way she could have given the ring back would be to shove it down his shirt or throw it at him, and  I don't think she either could or would do that.  Despite the way that GS has treated her, she is still trying to show some respect.  Unfortunately, GS doesn't understand basic human behavior so he thinks that her taking the ring means she's still into him.  And he said he doesn't care what she wants anyway.  

 

I wish she could have handed the ring back to GSDad because then maybe GS would get the point.

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Dear chingus,

 

Thank you for your comments, thoughts, opinions, etc. they are very insightful and filling in the gap of actions I could not understand from the characters.

 

I watched episode 12 at 2 freaking a.m. I had to hold myself to shout and wake people up whenever the idiot Dad and SI’s nasty husband talk and put on a show. I cannot remember how many times I want to slap them both and shout on their ears telling them to go to mental hospital already and get themselves check! I cannot stand those scenes, they are too painful to watch.

 

On bright sides, now our OTP has taken their relationship to another level. JH’s parents seem to approve JI. And the Lee mom moves in to SI’s home which is great, building a wall of protection for our dear SI. Soon, the mom also takes JI under her wing. Cant wait for that. 

 

Plus, I love the sisters bonding especially when JI kicks Jae-In when she tries to join the video call. I find the scene so cute. Sisterly love! Then when EU said that Jae-In is huge. It cracked me up :grin:

 

As for the bed scene, I find it so sweet and cute and funny how they feel embarrassed looking at EU’s picture and JH turns it around. :lol: I love the way jH strokes JI’s hair then JI takes the lead. Uwwuu

 

The nasty war will start on next episode when JI’s dad knows that JH is a single dad. Then, GS will play a victim by telling people that JI’s cheating and JH’s status as a single dad. Fiuuh. Good thing we will have some sweet scenes, the date on the library, then the trio family’s outing, some more kisses. 

 

Anyway keep posting, i love reading your comments and thoughts. I trust the writer to give us great scripts till the end. 

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17 hours ago, hushhh said:

 

 

Grapevine is so so good.

It's requires attention.

There is a look at how wealth, power, and influence plays out in the domestic and business sphere.

It's 30 beautiful episodes or good writing, acting, and cinematography.

Unlike Spring a lot of filming is done in interiors.

The set is beautiful.

It a  very smart tragi-comedy.

 

30 episodes, omg it's long. I might watch it when i have free time, i just don't know when lol.

 

Wednesday come quicker. Beautiful:wub:

 

 

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35 minutes ago, adibadiba said:

I love the way jH strokes JI’s hair then JI takes the lead. Uwwuu

 

Remember how GS said early on that JI didn't like to be touched and he inferred that she didn't like sex?  Looks like he was seriously wrong!   He even convinced her that she wasn't affectionate.  All it takes is the right guy with a considerate and sharing nature.  GS was obviously the wrong one.

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About JI asking about the photo when she kisses JH, it actually cracked me up. Even JH felt embarrassed lol. It is as if EU is peeping at their intimate moments hahaha. JI has liked EU and she knows that when she accept and loved JH, EU is included in that relationship.

 

As for JI accepting the ring, when i first watched it live, i got furious too. As in why in the world did she accept the ring. But when i watched with subtitles, i can understand her. In a way, she knows that they are having issues but it was her having feelings for JH that made her broke up with him for good. In a way she owes him and as she said, she has no feelings left for him. It was actually her last goodbye to him. GS knows that JI left him for good but his pride can't accept it. He is in denial. Even if JI does not say it to JH, he knows that what GS has been spreading is not true. This early, what GS never learned about JI, JH has learned in a very short time. That is how they love and trust each other. Maybe because since the beginning they have been very open and honest with each other. And no amount of gossip or news from GS will break it apart.

 

Love the preview. Have watched it a couple of times. I even thought of why they are not using the library for some heart fluttering scenes. And voila the PD and writer has those in mind too lol. It is always exciting to have these kind of scenes. Very heart fluttering:wub:

 

 

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