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I think that GS don't really know anything about what is going on between JI and JH. When they are in the car from the library and when he sees JH, he was just surprised that JH is at the vicinity where JI is working. So he mumbles to himself if he ever mentioned to him where JI works. I think he is thinking of their conversation in the pharmacy when he bought those vitamins for JI. And he thinks of JH as a hoobae as they both are alumni of the same school. So he thought that it would be best if JH knows where JI works so he can also bring some snacks when he is at the vicinity as he consider him as both their friend.

 

That is why once he learned that it is JH who JI is falling for the more that he will feel that he is betrayed. That is why more are siding with GS because the only fault that some can see in him is that he is not that romantic, has an ego since he grew up in an affluent family. Most of them really has that way of thinking. And he will really explode once the truth is out. It is already hard knowing JI wants to break up with him but it knowing that JI falls for someone who is a hoobae, in the same circle of friends, a single dad that would be very hard to accept. JI has been part of GS's daily life and losing her will not be easy and he is losing her to a guy of lesser status. He will never understand that.

 

I just love this scene. The longing for both but they can't do anything:tears:

 

 

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Richelle, I totally agree with you that he does not know it is JH.  He is suspicious that something is different, and maybe someone else, but I don't think he would ever suspect JH, which is why, like you said, that he will be SO upset when he finds out.  The writer and director are adding to the suspense by giving so many instances of when he could have caught on, or by throwing them together over and over, and the audience is dying, but GS does not suspect JH.  I think he went to JH pharmacy because he is a hoobae, and he can be more honest with him about JI being anxious and what vitamins would help?  I don't think he went for a discount.  I think KS's arm around JI at the team dinner was to show possession to all the males, not JH specifically, after his friend said she was gorgeous. 

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Ji-Ho looked so F I N E E E in that all-black get up:wub::phew: I don't think Gi-Seok & Jung-In understand the concept of "on a break" :P:lol: He's clueless as to Jung-In's stance in their already dead relationship & keep insisting she's bein' "sensitive" - typical male response:rolleyes:

 

It looks like tough as nails character run in Jung-In's family, or at least in the women! :w00t:

 

I really don't get why it's frequently implied throughout this drama that men/women can't be platonic or must be married. Like it's so rigid; it's black or white. Never a grey area.. 

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Actually i really do think that GS is clueless. And he is in for the shock of his life. As JI once asked him, I am selfish, right? And when she asked that if it is okay to have a male friend, GS even answered as if you care. So he will never think and not in his wildest dreams that JI will fall for someone like JH. He has a son and with that alone in his perspective that it is impossible for the 2 to be together.

 

About the on a break or cool off thing, i think GS and JI has never really had any major, major misunderstanding and they are just used to being with each other. It seems they have been together for long as it is before GS even have a career in the bank. I also believe GS is JI's first serious relationship. So it will never easy to let go. When JH said if you come to there's no turning back, you can see how long JI looked at GS. They have been part of each other lives and she knows what she feels is not right. But her heart is already with someone else. We are in for a ride i am sure. And i agree that since this is with MBC, intimate scenes will be toned down which i hate lol

 

I need this gifs to ease the agony of waiting lol

 

 

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I haven't caught up with reading this thread but did with all the episodes.  Hope I am not repeating all your sentiments. :lol:

 

Being a contemplative drama, this drama surprises me with the deep social themes running through the first 4 hours, cuz I thought this was a forbidden love story y'all at first glance~

  • I don't particularly hate GS. I do feel that his relationship with Jung In is his passive aggressive rebellion against his father. I don't think it will be a matter of love or hurtful guy pride that Gi Seok will resort to at the end or what will dictate how he reacts when he finds out. He doesn't want to lose his fight against his father for freedom or believe his father's pessimistic view on love is true.  I do believe he loves her initially, but that wasn't the only thing why Gi Seok fights hard to be with JI against his father's open resentment.  It is more to prove to his dad that relationship can be exist outside of a beneficial business transaction.  It's clearly a son vs father's battle where JI becomes much more symbolic for GS' fight.  He agreed to pursue a business career to his father's approval but will not relinquish his control over what is in his heart.  He has already given up his love for music so this is the last battle for his independence. 
  • Like many have said, GS is a prideful man.  We see the competitive streak in Ji-Ho as well yet he is soft hearted so the armour that he wears hides a sensitive soul.  He's a good man who is considerate of his actions and consequences.  It's a little harder for GS to relate to JI because I think, at least I feel, that GS sees JI as the beneficiary of his love.  Like it's a lopsided relationship where he leveled "down" to her in social status despite his father's disapproval.  So I think he never consider her an equal in their relationship and perhaps even views himself as the one who sacrifices more for their relationship.  Even if they go ahead with the marriage, they will continue to have problems being together as a couple.  Ji Ho on the other hand, feels slightly handicapped for being a single dad, come into the relationship with JI not feeling this sense of entitlement.  He is more willing to give and take as a boyfriend. 
  • I like how we see the same dilemmas running through many of our characters lives.  Live following your heart, live for yourself, or live for others' happiness.  

I have to go but will be back to write more.  Will continue to watch. :)

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I think another variation on "Follow your heart" is JI's sister, JaeIn's bold pursuit of anyone she is drawn to, in this case the potential civil servant.  It is hard to tell yet if he likes it or finds her too much.  Her example of leaving France because of a restraining order in her pursuit of someone else shows that following your heart can be unwelcome and taken too far.  So it is not the automatic answer to all love dilemmas.  However, because she is so in tune with her own feelings, she reads other really well, and clearly dislikes her brother-in-law, although she really doesn't know the facts.  She quickly assesses KS as assertive and proud.  Writer will use her to assess true character throughout the drama, so watch for her comments.  I think she comes on too strong and would find that unattractive, but some shy men might like it.  She will certainly be a defender for both sisters' fight for happiness.

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I also agree that GS has no clue what's developing between JI and JH. I think he thinks he is helping JH by buying at his pharmacy and also feels a little superior that he has a girlfriend he is (eventually) going to marry while feeling pity for JH who had a son out of wedlock.

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Also, imagine the car scene between GS and JI where he gives her vitamins changed to a gift of jewelry wrapped in a pretty box with the words, "I feel like I have been so busy that I have neglected you.  You know I really do love you."  If he really wants to change their dynamic, why, oh, why did he think vitamins was the answer?   He truly is clueless.

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GS becomes too complacent of his relationship with JI. He is thinking that since they have been together for a long time, in the end they will get married anyway so no need for an extra effort. Which is the opposite of JH. By nature he is really attentive and maybe because the feelings are new. It will really be a nasty war for sure.

 

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Just BACKWARD a bit....

 

Same car driving scenes, but we can clearly feel the different of mood & feelings between the two. 

 

Kudos to the director, actors and actress. 

 

GS x JI car moment

 

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JI clearly unhappy, distracted, her body is there but her mind not 100% there. GS is usual as himself though. 

 

JH x JI car moment

 

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JI is excited, happy and totally invested to JH. JH is the same. 

 

Long due exhausted & expired relationship, clearly can be seen here.

 

I just hope JH x JI also won't fell to same trap.

 

As we already can predict, there will be long road full of obstacles for them. 

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I'm enjoying this drama and simultaneously finding it painful to watch.

 

Can't write about Jung-in and Ji-ho because it would take too many words.

 

I felt a sad for Gi-suk because I couldn't figure what he had contribute to what was going wrong.  He seems like a decent guy who sticks up for Jung-in against his father.  Episode 4 I realize he likes her well enough, but it seems she is someone he uses to keep his father from taking over his life. 

 

I suspect that Jae-in is suppose to be cute, but argg. No sense of boundaries.  The move she made with the vitamins . . . 

 

 

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Loving your opinion guys and welcoming all the new members keep sharing your thoughts :wub:

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Purely my point of view: 

 

Moral of the story for long term relationship or marriage... always have to be lovey dovey and never be complacent.  Also never allow too much independent space between one another.  Cos you will slowly feel to be independent and relationship is not required.  This is when someone attentive may walk into the life and shake the heart.

 

If do not have anyone that make the heart fluttering... good, the relationship continue to be in this "independent no demand relationship".

 

JI must has really love GS before.  But she long already forgotten the feelings and only remember he is a good person.  Same as GS, he must has really love JI very much.  But that love has already diminished from passion and he is not aware as he is so used to have her around. 

 

GS may have flaws.  But he still love her.  JI knows that and that torn her as she herself cannot believe that her heart betrayed the relationship she has with GS... moreover it is a very long steady relationship.  She hated herself for these feelings for another person.  But her heart just keep beating the other way and she started to see many flaws of GS which she is ok in the past but due to change of heart, she tends to get pricky with it and upset. 

 

 

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5 hours ago, INJINFAN said:

Also, imagine the car scene between GS and JI where he gives her vitamins changed to a gift of jewelry wrapped in a pretty box with the words, "I feel like I have been so busy that I have neglected you.  You know I really do love you."  If he really wants to change their dynamic, why, oh, why did he think vitamins was the answer?   He truly is clueless.

I think his life is in more mess than what will happen when JI breaks up with him. He looks like someone who will not address the dragon in the room but look for little mites to kill. Instead of having a real conversation with his girlfriend, both about their relationship and his dad, he goes and gifts her some vitamin. I hope he really finds the courage to fix things in his life through the course of this story.

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6 hours ago, INJINFAN said:

I think another variation on "Follow your heart" is JI's sister, JaeIn's bold pursuit of anyone she is drawn to, in this case the potential civil servant.  It is hard to tell yet if he likes it or finds her too much.  Her example of leaving France because of a restraining order in her pursuit of someone else shows that following your heart can be unwelcome and taken too far.  So it is not the automatic answer to all love dilemmas.  However, because she is so in tune with her own feelings, she reads other really well, and clearly dislikes her brother-in-law, although she really doesn't know the facts.  She quickly assesses KS as assertive and proud.  Writer will use her to assess true character throughout the drama, so watch for her comments.  I think she comes on too strong and would find that unattractive, but some shy men might like it.  She will certainly be a defender for both sisters' fight for happiness.

 

Love what you said here.  Regarding Jae-In, I suppose she represents the youth eons ago that both Seo-In and Jung-In once were - before life happens.  I like their sisterly bond and feel that both protects Jae-In for not only out of love for her but for what she reminds them of, themselves.  Now, her character can afford to be bold, unapologetic and rather frank because she feels and holds no responsibilities toward anyone.  She's spoiled, let's admit it.  She's young, but to me that is not an excuse for drifting in life, quitting schools, living off her sisters.... spending money on a guy she hardly knows (esp when Seo-In has advised her to spend it wisely).  Yes, I love that she is one character who acts or speaks out honestly what she feels when many others, especially her sisters, unable to voice their opinions in turn internalizing their unhappiness.  Jae-In is lucky to be able to witness her sisters' mistake to avoid making them hers.  Her life is carefree is because others protected her.  We cannot deny that she is impulsive when it comes to love, opposite of Jae-In's self sacrifice and Jung-In's measured actions.  I'm sure she will get into trouble in her own ways too.  She initially finds Ji-Ho attractive before moving onto his friend.  She seems to be in love with the idea of love and boyfriend more than the person.  I was quite surprised that she made her moves on him so quickly.  He seems like a simple ordinary low key guy whose personality seems totally different than her passionate one.  I have no idea what is it about him that she loves.  At least, we are not shown it clearly - feels like she falls in and out of love in a heartbeat.  Unlike her sisters whose love lives are complicated, Jae-In is impulsive and passionate, just like her character.  

 

I found the pharmacy owner's advice for Ji-Ho to not move back to live with his parents really poignant.  She said the moment he resigned his life to come back, he would lose his own identity and be regarded as someone's son.  There's this concern that his parents will be inputing their ideas into his life if he lives with them.  As their only son, I know the guilt Ji Ho has, this obligation to take care of our aging parents while living our own lives.  In Ji-Ho's case, he is even more indebted to them for taking care of little Eun-Woo.  So I really love that not soon after, we get a scene of the father and son drinking session where his father assured him that he is more than willing to help out and that Ji-Ho doesn't have to visit all the time.  And we get the scene ends with Ji-Ho voicing out the same parental love for his own child, saying that he will always take care of Eun-Woo no matter what.  I love how parent and child effectively conveyed their support and love for one another.  It's a stark contrast to the controlling relationship Gi Seok's dad dolled out for his own son.  In fact, there are three different kinds of fatherhood in this drama - Giseok's, Ji-Ho's and Jung-In's.  All different parental love on display with Ji-Ho's parents the most nonjudgmental and supportive.

 

The sisters each face their own battle against fitting into the molds made by society and their own father.  Seo-In is successful on her own term as a news anchor yet still has her identity tied to her husband.  Seeking a divorce based on domestic abuse brings fears of creating a public case that will harm her professional career and image. By the end of episode 4, we know that their wealth is only a facade as their income couldn't cover his expense and lifestyle.   Then there is this taboo on divorcee that mirrors Ji-Ho's single fatherhood.  I think is something Seo-In worries for her family reputation as well as her own. Hindsight,  Seo-In would probably be in a better position if she is not married, contrary to her father and the society's expectations. I really like her character so I am rooting for her to be strong, to take the leap of breaking free for herself knowing the risk to her career.    Hers is a case that love, respect, honesty matter in a relationship where nothing even a fancy home can compensate.

 

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a long term relationship doesnt guarantee that it will lead to forever..and sometimes when you least expect it someone will come and makes your heart flutter.

Marriage is a life long commitment thats involves love, faith and trust between the couple.

and I dont see sparks anymore in the relationship of JI and GS..it has been long gone..so I dont see any marriage happening for these two.

break up is invetible when both are unhappy.why continue to be in a relationship that has already died? and you are accepted in the family..

I wonder what is that thing that really trigger JI to break up wirh GS, besides the existence of JH..and made her feel that GS'  parents dislikes her..

In every relationship, there will always be ending and a new beginning

For JH and JI with them being together,  we all know there will be complications, problems along the way .  

I only hope that both will surpass whatever trials, they may face Love, faith trust will be the keys for them to overcome such hurdles.

looking to next week's episodes!

Cant wait to see JI following her heart and her happiness! 

 

 

 

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Honestly, I doubt that GS and JI used to be a lovey-dovey couple right from the start because if so, JI would have recognized these feelings she started having for JH. For me, JH represents her real first love. GS had a negative influence on JI because she became "boring". She adapted herself to him and his life style which explains why she was so in tune with him. But everything evolved around GS and his life.

We heard right from the start from her colleague that GS and JI were never passionate, behaving like an old couple. In my opinion, deep love didn't really exist in this couple, GS must have admired JI for her frankness and honesty because she hates lies which GS knows. However, GS is the exact opposite from her in that matter. He is manipulative and he lies too. He never mentioned that his father wanted him to break up or to arrange a marriage between him and the daughter Jang. GS was never honest in reality. He lies to his "friends" saying that he is getting married because he knows that his father won't approve. Furthermore, JI and GS never really agreed. When he proposed, she refused and when she proposed herself, he refuses it too. Both rejected the proposal because of the way it was made: too casual. By saying that he will get married, he creates a false image of the couple. Once she breaks up with him, JH and JI's reputation will be tarnished: they are the bad guys. However, he never really rejected his father's offer. He even told his father, he won't break up with her right away... he gave the impression that he won't marry her accepting his father's opposition.                      

 

I am convinced that GS knows about the attraction between JH and JI, as there were too many coincidences. Yet, the director and writer did a wonderful job by not showing any scene indicating it. That way, GS doesn't seem to be a bad guy, unlike SH. Nonetheless, the writer is intelligent to create such an ambiguous character because humans are usually like that. It is not easy to judge people in general.

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For some reason I am more nervous about Seo-In and her marriage, relationship. The scene in the parking lot was so small, but already so dangerous and horrible. Who knows that he would have done to her.

Seo-In is such a great woman, she must have struggled a lot in her marriage. She and her sisters know that their father pretty much wasted her, she will need a lot of strength to go through the divorce.

But now that we know that her husband doesn't stop before anything, even fraud or violence, she is in a lot of danger. 

 

Her "case" concers me more than the actual OTP, because at the end of the day, JI and GS just go through a change of heart, leaving a relationship and find a new love. Yes, they will struggle and there will be a lot of pain and bad blood involved, but GS doesn't seem like the person who would hurt JI physically. JI also isn't a pushover, in every possible situation she confronted GS, talked back and defended her position. GS surely will try to do his tricks on her,  but I think he will have a hard time. 

 

@bedifferentI loved your (first) analysis, especially about GS and his pov about the relationship.

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These 2 are so adorable. I think it shows in their chemistry:wub:

 

 

 

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KS has the relationship he wants with JI; he just wants it to be more convenient for him, since his work has gotten busier. That's why he wants to get married or live together.   His dad says the same thing, but not about JI; he wants him to get married so his wife can be supportive of his career.  JI is finally realizing she wants something more, but it will be up to her to speak up for herself.  KS is comfortable with the way it is and even if he tries to please her for awhile, he will fall back into his default comfort level if they get married.  JI only has unhappy marriages to observe:: SI and husband and her mother and father.  No wonder she is in no hurry to give up her independence.  Only JH's parents seem happy.

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