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16 hours ago, snitchdream08 said:

But i still don't get it when morgan said "I get it now bla bla bla..its better I didn't understand because if I understand we must have to break up". What's the point he got?

My understanding is this ties back to when Morgan was waiting for Tami outside of Barro, the show repeated a scene from ep8 whereby in order for them to be happy together Tami said "... then one of us will have to cave in. Either you will never experience marriage, or I'm forced to have marriage in my life. One of us will have to sacrifice in the name of love. Is it right to start a relationship? If neither is willing to do so, we'll have to end our relationship."

 

At the school, Morgan said "He thought if he's OK with no marriage, it'd be OK... but it's not... he understands now." I think it's important to take into account their conversation (as above) his decision. Other than realising Tami's POV (not wanting to be a destroyer of his dream) from his mother, he also realised he too is unwilling to let go of wanting to be married. These were supported by two scenes of him showing he still want marriage: (1) when Tami suggested to live together (2) telling Da In of course he wants to be married but he can't do it alone. Tami saw his disappointed face from #1 and heard it indirectly from Da In for #2. It's from these incidents onwards that their relationship went downhill.

 

It takes two to tango. Tami had been crystal clear she doesn't want marriage, and doesn't intend to change her mind. On the other hand, Morgan even though believe he could do without marriage he wasn't being convincing. Just like how Morgan could sense Tami is withholding herself, Tami also can sense he still wants marriage from her.

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1 hour ago, snitchdream08 said:

But i still don't get it when morgan said "I get it now bla bla bla..its better I didn't understand because if I understand we must have to break up". What's the point he got?

Their main issue is that, MG is ok with their situation, with him possibly not marrying in the future just to be with TM. But TM is not ok with it. 

So, by not understanding that it's an issue, he can pretend that because he's ok with it, then, everything will be ok, if not now, at least at some point. But by understanding, it means he has to give up TM because it's finally accepting that there's no way for them to move forward and have a good future together if TM has that mindset. So, they should break up now since there's no point in continuing to something that's unsolvable. I think this is his point.

And I think it's a smart move. I think TM needs the time and space to be by herself so she can really think things through. I think TM needs to really think on what she wants in their relationship without the pressure of being in the relationship.

So, he let TM go. And allow TM to realize if MG is "it" for her. And if he is, what should she do? Will she make a move to stay with him or will she give up?  

It's actually why I like them. Their relationship is so complex. And it's not all fluff (though, their lovey-dovey moments made my heart flutter :) ). Theirs, I think, given time, and with right choices, can be a beautiful and mature relationship. And I really, seriously, hoping for a happy ending for them.

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11 minutes ago, savingrace said:

I wish we've been given more background about TM to understand her better. 

 

I agreed. We only got a little bit from Lee Dong Wook’s character. 

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Agree... need more background on Tami... Also, Tami should take the risk... just be happy for  crying out loud... you dont know whats gonna happen tomorrow, you could be in a car accident (i hope not!) and living in regret for not having PMG in your life. Haiz...

 

She didnt gamble on GG betraying her, she didnt expect to be out of Unicon, she didnt expect to like her new boss and she didnt expect to like Scarlett ... life is NOT always about predictions... God has plans for everyone... Especially for strong men and women:blush:

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3 hours ago, snitchdream08 said:

But i still don't get it when Morgan said "I get it now bla bla bla..its better I didn't understand because if I understand we must have to break up". What's the point he got?

My take on this is that when Morgan ask his birth mother why she gave him up, his mom said that it was hard but she loved him so much that she knew he would have a much better life if she gave him away. It was not about how much she loved him but that she couldn't be happy knowing that by keeping him he could not have his best life.  Morgan understands now that it's not that Tammy doesn't love him it's that she can not allow herself to feel happy because she thinks that by being with Morgan she is keeping him from having a good life.  As long as Tammy feels that way Morgan knows he can't win.  Tammy will not allow herself to feel happy.  She will suffer from guilt at holding him back. He loves her to much to watch that, knowing that there is nothing he can do to make her feel happiness.  He wishes he didn't understand this, but Tammy is so like his birth mother in how she is trying to love him.  Both feel that the only way to love and protect Morgan is to give him up.  Given how they feel Morgan can't win.  Another important woman in his life abandons his in the name of loving him,  While what his birth mother did might have been right for him and her at the time she felt she had to let him good. I think Tammy is just plan wrong.  Morgan is a man now not a child.  He can decide for himself what he is willing to leave behind in the name of love.  It the end Tammy walking away from Morgan is not about what he needs or doesn't need,  It's about the fact that Tammy does not believe in herself and what she has to offer.  While marriage can offer a lot of things I know an unmarried couple who have been happy and dedicated to each other for over 40 years,  They have traveled the world, each had a career and do not have kids.  They are one of the most loving couple I know even though marriage was never a part of their plan. That could be true for Morgan and Tammy is that is what both choose. Sadly Tammy is making it clear that she can't except living in the moment and trusting in Morgan.  So in the end Morgan is right to walk away.  He had no choice once he understood that for Tammy loving him would always be about letting him go,  That is only way he felt he could make her happy about herself.

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3 hours ago, snitchdream08 said:

But i still don't get it when morgan said "I get it now bla bla bla..its better I didn't understand because if I understand we must have to break up". What's the point he got?

 

In my opinion, he was referring to the fact that him and TM have different life goals and he finally understood that this would always cause conflict between them. He also understood that TM would always be doing what she thinks is best for him, which ends up making both of them feel terrible and causes TM to inadvertently push him away, so he thinks he needs to let her go to resolve this. His conversation with his mum in which she said she gave him up because she thought he would have a better future with anyone but her, appears to have given him some insight into what TM is thinking and I guess he came to the realization that TM thinks he would be better off with someone else. Case in point, when TM didnt even try and fight for their relationship after DI confessed, it's as though even though she was hurt, she wanted to give him that chance to decide for himself because she wants PM to be with someone his age who wants the same things as him. There's too much doubt from TM which ends up affecting PM who is a pretty positive laidback guy. 

 

DI made a good point when she said to TM that she remembers when TM first started seeing PM, she always made it clear that she would break up with him so it's like she never took the relationship seriously from the start. DI saying to TM that if it came down to who loves PM more, she would win over TM was a good way to put it into perspective too. This obviously only added to TM's doubts though but perhaps she needs all of these realizations to open her eyes and make her fight for her relationship with PM.

 

Regarding the comments about not getting much insight into TM's background, I think the drama has done a pretty good job of depicting TM's personality and character. She appears to have always been confident and sassy (e.g. when we got the flashback of her confronting GG when they were still in school) and is smart and well grounded. I think the fact that PM is younger and also wants to settle down (i.e. get married and have kids) has thrown TM into a crisis because it's something that she didn't predict would happen when she's the type of person who has their life mapped out pretty well. If only she could think of her own happiness too and just enjoy the present with PM without worrying so much about the future, they would probably end up growing old together without even realizing it!

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@philosophie

It's a K-Drama after all LoL. They're notorious for messing up English before:rolleyes: This won't be their first & it certainly won't be their last. 

Yea, I definitely heard the US rep. say Unicorn. Although Unicon is better suited as y'know the company is really a Universal Group of Cons:lol::w00t:  with Web manipulation, fund embezzlement among others:P

 

@snitchdream08

By livin' in denial Mo-Gan could continue to live on in a relationship bubble he creates with Ta-Mi. But at the end of the day, he still needs to address the Elephant in the Room. In their case - marriage, kids. 

 

@savingrace

(nods) 

I mentioned this earlier 'bout Ta-Mi's obvious insecurities.. How she seem to have a fear of commitment...her keeping relationships at arm's length using her career as an excuse. We're nearing to the end & I doubt there'd be light shed on her backstory.. 

We only know Ta-Mi got close to marrying Lee Dong-Wook..but had a change of heart.. Though honestly who could ever pass up on Lee Dong-Wook?!:lol::P:w00t:

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I really love reading the lengthy discussions here on PM and BTM.  It shows how each one of us are giving so much thought and analysis on their relationship and who they are as people.  So much respect for you guys.  If this is the intent of the writer, she certainly succeeded.  Is there a way for us to write to her and just give her our appreciation?  I hope she gets to read this too.

As for my view on how they will end PM and BTM, its either:

1. They break up permanently 

2. They are together but they have this feeling that they’ve forced the other one to compromise their belief (current situation)

3.  They are together and they are perfectly content with the decisions and choices they made. (Whether its getting married or not getting married)

 

To be honest, in whatever ending it may be, I will be fine with it because I think each ending makes sense.  The one thing I hate about some drama endings is if it doesn’t make sense at all or it was so inconsistent.

Here, the way it was written, I can believe either of the 3 scenarios happening.  For number 1&2, if BTM will always feel guilty and will not trust PM when he says its more important for him to be with BTM rather than get married and he will not regret it in the future.  For number 3, if she feels the opposite.

I personally would like number 3 to happen and  it is possible for them to get this ending.  BTM has been presented as somebody who evolves.  She is not inflexible as seen with her work actions (look at her Brian and Scarlett conversations).  She is willing to be changed and is the better for it.  I see PM as somebody who is so sure of his feelings with BTM and he is willing to risk a lot just to be with her.  He has already experienced BTM slowly changing because of her growing feelings for him and I think he has enough faith in her for him to get this happy ending.  So yes, I am rooting for number 3. 

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Overall, I'm sure Scarlett will knock some sense into Tami since she is also dating someone younger... both of them are in the same dating boat (younger boyfriends), and im sure we know Scarlett is a risk taker and living her life in the present and not think much of the future.

Everyone Fighting!

 

Ps. No one has more pictures of the wrap up party? The one i saw earlier, PMG certainly wasnt standing next to Tami for the cake cutting event... sigh

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15 minutes ago, sharluvsenergy said:

tvN finally uploaded the cut :wub:

 

Such a beautifully filmed scene--JH's fingers twining around CH's wrist like a growing vine, and all the phones lighting up/ringing in the background.  

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I enjoyed reading everyone’s take on BTM and PMG’s relationship. I enjoyed their relationship the most. Not just because they’re the leads but how they’re portraying a realistic complicated relationship when it comes to marriage and kids.

 

 I also agreed with everyone. In ep 14, we didn’t see BTM fight for PMG. Just like what PMG said to her when she saw him talking to DI outside his house. He was bringing up a point. Why didn’t BTM tell DI to back off, why didn’t she say he was her bf to DI. Instead, BTM let DI talked freely about how much she likes PMG in front of her as if he was a stranger to her. During their argument, he was trying to say why BTM didn’t fight for him or for their love. When he said, “Da In wants to marry someday and you know I do too. We’re you secretly rooting for us or something?” I think when he said that, that was somewhat true. I feel like BTM is pushing PMG away again because she knows that she will not make him happy if his mind set is still on wanting to marry and she can’t give him that so maybe she feels that Da In may be a better match for him than herself. 

 

I’m also glad that they didn’t focus on the love triangle. I think Da In’s character is supposed to show BTM that she can change her mind set too if she allows herself to explore living in the world of PMG... like what normal couple will do. Da In’s character is showing that BTM can change to be someone like DI too. (I think that was why in ep 12, PMG was hoping that BTM will come around and change her mind about marriage because she’s so in love with him). Da In’s character is supposed to make BTM realize if she doesn’t hold on to the person she loves, she’ll lose him forever. Which was why DI said she beat BTM because she’s fighting for what she wants while BTM is allowing herself to walk away from all the things that her and PMG has been through and that’s what she did at the end of episode 14, she walked away as PMG let her go in order for her to find true happiness. 

 

The ending of ep 14 just killed me. I was crying so hard. Their conversation about everything that has happened so far in their relationship and even though they’re so different, all of that was meaningful to them.. to BTM. I think the scene of BTM crying in her car, she probably just may have realized that she lost the love of her life. It’s like that saying, “the one that got away”. She let the person that could be her future go. She let a good person go. :bawling:

 

 

I’m thinking the last two episodes could be a time jump into 2 years later because SJH is returning from the military. 

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I replay the vid. Really like the kissing scene between scarlett and JH. I hope theyy will show us the BTS video of this scene

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12 hours ago, Latte_Anyday said:

 

 

 

 

@savingrace

(nods) 

I mentioned this earlier 'bout Ta-Mi's obvious insecurities.. How she seem to have a fear of commitment...her keeping relationships at arm's length using her career as an excuse. We're nearing to the end & I doubt there'd be light shed on her backstory.. 

We only know Ta-Mi got close to marrying Lee Dong-Wook..but had a change of heart.. Though honestly who could ever pass up on Lee Dong-Wook?!:lol::P:w00t:

I’ll gladly divorce my husband and marry Lee Dong-Wook in a heartbeat! LOL. just kidding.

 

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1 hour ago, elizabeth said:

I enjoyed reading everyone’s take on BTM and PMG’s relationship. I enjoyed their relationship the most. Not just because they’re the leads but how they’re portraying a realistic complicated relationship when it comes to marriage and kids.

 

 I also agreed with everyone. In ep 14, we didn’t see BTM fight for PMG. Just like what PMG said to her when she saw him talking to DI outside his house. He was bringing up a point. Why didn’t BTM tell DI to back off, why didn’t she say he was her bf to DI. Instead, BTM let DI talked freely about how much she likes PMG in front of her as if he was a stranger to her. During their argument, he was trying to say why BTM didn’t fight for him or for their love. When he said, “Da In wants to marry someday and you know I do too. We’re you secretly rooting for us or something?” I think when he said that, that was somewhat true. I feel like BTM is pushing PMG away again because she knows that she will not make him happy if his mind set is still on wanting to marry and she can’t give him that so maybe she feels that Da In May be a better match for him than herself. 

 

I’m also glad that they didn’t focus on the love triangle. I think Da In’s character is supposed to show BTM that she can change her mind set too if she allows herself to explore living in the world of PMG... like what normal couple will do. Da In’s character is showing that BTM can change to be someone like DI too. (I think that was why in ep 12, PMG was hoping that BTM will come around and change her mind about marriage because she’s so in love with him). Da In’s character is supposed to make BTM realize if she doesn’t hold on to the person she loves, she’ll lose him forever. Which was why DI said she beat BTM because she’s fighting for what she wants while BTM is allowing herself to walk away from all the things that her and PMG has been through and that’s what she did at the end of episode 14, she walked away as PMG let her go in order for her to find true happiness. 

 

The ending of ep 14 just killed me. I was crying so hard. Their conversation about everything that has happened so far in their relationship and even though they’re so different, all of that was meaningful to them.. to BTM. I think the scene of BTM crying in her car, she probably just may have realized that she lost the love of her life. It’s like that saying, “the one that got away”. She let the person that could be her future go. She let a good person go. :bawling:

 

 

I’m thinking the last two episodes could be a time jump into 2 years later because SJH is returning from the military. 

I agree.

And it’s refreshing to watch a reversal of sorts on roles, with the woman (BTM) as the one hesitant to get married, while the man (PMG) is very much willing. 

That last scenes in Episode 14 killed me as well. I guess it’s pride that prevented BTM to talk PGM out of breaking up with her.  I guess it’s also pride that made her abruptly walk away so that PGM don’t see her hurting/crying that much. All the while she’s walking away, I was screaming at BTM like, “No Ta-Mi! Go back! Don’t leave him!”.

And for some reason, their push and pull remind me of this quote from Runaway Bride, which I think if they do get to a proposal of sorts of being together, this is very appropriate, especially if BTM says this to PGM...

”I guarantee there'll be tough times. I guarantee that at some point, one or both of us is going to want get out. But I also guarantee... that if I don't ask you to be mine, I'll regret it for the rest of my life. Because I know in my heart... you're the only one for me.” - Maggie Carpenter to Ike Graham, Runaway Bride

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