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[Drama 2019] Designated Survivor : 60 Days, 60일, 지정생존자

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This drama will be how many episodes? Because if it’s only 16 I think the ending will be a rush or we might get an open end. (Eg the VIP will nvr be known) 

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6 minutes ago, liltash85 said:

This drama will be how many episodes? Because if it’s only 16 I think the ending will be a rush or we might get an open end. (Eg the VIP will nvr be known) 

 

According to Netflix and TvN 16.

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Was too tired to watch anything last night but I 

just saw this .  So at the end he was killed by his own comrade . 

 

 

I Guess this is the end of LJH’s scenes huh ... sigh he only appeared 12 eps in all considering he came in eps 3. While I can’t root for his character, my fan girl Heart is a little sorry to see him go since I did start this drama for him . Bye oppa :unsure:

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I read rumours of S2 being a possibility.

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i just read the recaps here 

https://www.thereviewgeek.com/designatedsurvivor-60days-s1e14review/

Since I won’t have time to watch till later , can someone enlighten  me about the actual context to why Park delayed the tabling of the bill ? Is it because he felt  it would be too rushed or that he felt it was going to affect his chances of being elected? 

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2 hours ago, triplem said:

Since I won’t have time to watch till later , can someone enlighten  me about the actual context to why Park delayed the tabling of the bill ? Is it because he felt  it would be too rushed or that he felt it was going to affect his chances of being elected? 

 

I haven’t watched but if I have guessed right, it’s got to do with his sense of justice and fairness and objectivity.  Remember he’s not the people’s nominated choice of President.  He’s just a stand in due to the circumstances.  For him to rush the Bill through a cabinet (which is also not normal - bipartisan), would be him taking advantage of this very unusual set of circumstance to push a controversial Bill through.  To a person with a moral code like his, this wouldn’t be kosher.  So it’s got nothing to do with the polls or his personal desire to get the Bill through, it’s got to do with the process.  For PMJ, the process (means) is just as important as the end.  To take advantage of his non-political-ness as Yun suggested, or the pressure from the Director as the impetus for rushing it through (with the greater chance of it being passed due to the current unrealistic circumstances) wouldn’t sit well on his conscience.  Scientists follow processes.  With the belief that the processes are there to ensure objectivity.  So that’s why I feel he decided to delay it till he was elected.  He wanted to pass it with all the facts and proper circumstances surrounding it.  Not because of some anomaly in the system which has lucked him with the opportunity to do so with less opposition.  Also, the “for” votes have heavily weighed in in the last episode.  With Yun and the Director and even Press Secretary.  He hasn’t heard the “against” votes apart from the reasoning about polls (not on the ground level anyway).  In the eyes of a Scientist, that’s not being objective to just hear one side of the argument.  I could be wrong but that’s my gut feel.

 

EDIT - also, as a Scientist he would know that if you don’t follow process, even if you got the Bill through, it would stand on very shaky ground.  It’s a hollow victory.  Without the processes adhered to it wouldn’t be iron clad.  The next ruling Party could overturn it on the basis that the normal processes weren’t followed in the first place.  

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What to say about Episode 13... I suppose there are things I liked and things that made me go meh... 

Maybe it's a result of becoming older and more cynical but I really struggle with the show's propensity of trying to make PMJ a Cinderfella politician wannabe president. It's cringey especially when there are real existential threats looming large. It's a weakness of the writing I think to want its cake and eat it too. On the other hand, OYS may be a baddie but at least he knows what's at stake. Maybe he's been properly coached and groomed but at least he understands that it isn't just about politics.

 

What I liked... CYJ's attempts to groom PMJ into the presidential candidate was somewhat humorous and nobody (as I've said previously) does befuddled like JJH. In that regard, they have cast well. ;)The awkwardness was funny too when PMJ was confronted by the missus. I'm sure the team will transform PMJ into a proper retail politician soon enough. :D

 

The other thing I liked is how the show demonstrates that there's no nuance at all in the same sex couples debate. It is a polarizing issue undoubtedly and the common is to take one side or the other when there's really a spectrum of views. People are demonized for not holding to the prevailing wisdom (whatever that might mean in a given society) and people are demonized for holding to traditional ideas. 

The other interesting thing is that all the focus on the anti-discrimination act is focused on that one issue when it covers a whole gamut of bandwagon issues dealing in identity politics. I'm not a fan of the UN which IMO is a hotbed of vested interests so I'm not especially concerned about what they advise countries to do. Suffice to say that I find anti-discrimination legislation dubious despite all the claims to the contrary and the good intentions. It's often been used to stifle free speech and used as a political weapon by radical elements to force people into a particular way of thinking despite the facts. Which is just as totalitarian as OYS and Co. are trying to do.

 

Is Sec. Han's inner totalitarian finally coming to the fore? I don't know. I've heard people whining about democracy before but it didn't mean that they wanted to abolish it and/or kill people for it. I can't blame Sec. Han entirely for expressing cynicism and resentment about the fickleness of the voting public because it is a reality that politicians have to grapple with in a democracy. But often the fickleness of the public can be a corrective to extremes on the political spectrum as I've observed in recent years. I'm not as critical about democracy as I used to be because I've seen how radical elements of politics in my country get mitigated because people don't like how radicals have hijack the public sphere. The voting public are the ones that bear the brunt of bad government policies particularly the ones who can least afford them.

 

However, I think the biggest issue of late is the fixation with polls. As a result politicians are just making things up as they go, compounding perception about the lack of authenticity. Moreover, in the last few years we've seen how polling have just been absolutely garbage for predictive value because people aren't telling the truth about how they're voting because they've been shamed into thinking that what they think isn't "progressive" or acceptable in public discourse.

 

Okay... I should get off my soapbox now... :P

 

But yeah... Press Sec Kim... has terrible timing... CYJ was about to make his big confession to JSJ and he tumbles into the room asking about the polls. Also in front of members of the press corp he blabs on about the anti-discrimination legislation. :lol:

 

I'm glad that Jae-min was found. Smart kid... but risky move. At least there's some progress in the investigation about the conspirators.

 

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Tbh, OYS was meant to be killed as he and VIP had different ideology. He is just a pawn in this game.

 

The driver could be under instruction to finish him off when situation is getting out of hand. 

 

I been waiting to see how the Korean version killed him off ever since the plot was different as compared to American version.

 

 

 

 

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Congrats Designated Survivor:60 days, the ratings keeps rising each eps. 4,8% on Sunday and 4,9% on Tuesday. Need to catch up eps 14 soon. :rolleyes:

 

Ig update from assistant secretary park

 

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I think Kim Nam Wookie is the main scene stealer of this show :D and maybe Park SukKyo too!! They're really funny lol

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The events that unfolded in episode 14 were totally unexpected. We still don't know who is the mole from the BH. He/She is the person who informed OYS about Sec Cha being investigated. As of now I will still say it is Han. I was little disappointed by ep 13, the way they showed that they hacked the military head's mobile and I was thinking wouldn't he know that? He is the head of an Army, doesn't he have that much sense? But it got solved in this episode. So, everyone had their own plan of taking over the nation. I feel that for Tailor Kim it doesn't matter whether it is OYS or anyone, he just wants the nation to suffer and grieve, may be he faced the same and he could not forget what he suffered. He has a deep resentment towards which aligns with Han's. So, I wont be surprised if Han turns out to be the VIP. Again when PMJ deferred the discrimination bill for the next administration, Han had a sly smile. Was it because PMJ finally understood how to do politics or he got his assurance that in politics no one can remain a good person, everyone has to compromise with their principles or beliefs. OYS's end was near but I didn't expect it to be this way. The scene where PMJ realized that the shoes has become comfortable now was amazing. He found himself in the late President's position. Han Mo is really an excellent agent. Now next week we will find out whether general Lee is gonna support the Coup or not. Waiting for next week is painful now.

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@triplem I think I overestimated PMJ in my blurb above about his reasons for not putting forward the Anti-discrimination Bill.  I just watched and from the looks of it, he just let the opportunity pass because he listened to Cha. :lol:  Because they played the scene where Yang reneged on the FTA deal to salvage his ratings after.  Yang said he would leave it to the next administration to work it out and just say yes to the US deal, seeming to mirror PMJ in passing the buck.  So maybe he is becoming a true politician after all.  Although I would say for me, my arguments about why it shouldn’t be rushed through still stands regardless :lol:

 

As @40somethingahjumma rightly pointed out, the issues are more far reaching than just sexuality.  The rights and freedoms of one always impinges upon that of another.  Take the post with the Anti Japanese sentiment where the business owner refuses to serve Japanese people at his restaurant.  On the surface it would seem totally racist.  Yet if you legislate that he can no longer do that, you restrict his rights to run a business his way.  He’s not saying, “kill all Japanese people”, he’s merely saying this is my business and I want to serve people I am comfortable serving.  The same with Churches who say they will only marry heterosexual couples?  Are they being discriminatory?  It’s not like people HAVE to get married in a church?  Or Japanese people HAVE to eat at that man’s restaurant just to prove a point?  Sexuality is not the only issue.  It shouldn’t just be rushed through because it’s opportune just for one marginalised part of society.  The other voices haven’t been heard or given a chance to speak?  It was sort of sprung on PMJ by circumstance?  So in a way I am glad they didn’t gloss over the deeper issues and just push it through and just left it at that.

 

And I agree about fixation with polls.  It isn’t as accurate anymore.  There are a vast number of people who just stay silent about their views and vote totally contrary to what the polls predict.  And now that OYS is pretty much out of the race, PMJ would be up against Yun and Mayor Kang.  That is if he can somehow avert a bloodbath with the military coup looming... this was kinda left field actually, I am not sure I like it.  :blink:

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General Lee is a bit out maneuvered I think even if he is on President Park's side, in camouflage! He will need a bit of time for the president to do what he threatened to do with the waterborne military and some others, to bring down this ultra milky way society of elites. I guess the VIP was not expecting something to happen like this.

 

Why am I thinking like this is that this show has done a few tricks like this before where one is disagreeing but a later shot shows that they have complied with the request!

 

I don't know why Agent HNG and her team of heavily armed guards just concentrated on OYS at first. They should have got the driver first. Alas missed opportunity to bring in OYS and interrogate  him!

 

 

Why do I keep thinking Madam Yun is the VIP based on this photo:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EB1nStLUcAAoQI9?format=jpg&name=small

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4 hours ago, angelbeast90 said:

Why do I keep thinking Madam Yun is the VIP based on this photo:

Omg!  You’re so sharp . I don’t remember seeing the tailor making any women suits before this . Everything in this show is symbolic , so you may be on to something here. 

 

@nrllee thanks for the explanation. I just completed the eps & it’s true , the polls weighed heavily in PMJ’s decision to retract the bill . Is this part of his growth from being a political novice to someone who understands how the game is played ? Maybe, but I think it is not so much that he wants to win to have the hot seat , he needs to win because losing would mean someone as dangerous & delusional as OYS would come into power. That last conversation he had with OYS tipped him in that direction While I’m sure a bill like that needs time to be discussed, I can understand the somewhat cynical  response given by Director Noh. There will always be a valid excuse not to have it tabled. Nevertheless , if we do get to see a Season 2 with PMJ as president, I do hope they revisit this so that PMJ’s apology to her does not come across as lip service .

 

This drama is really running on steroids now given that we finally have a military coup. This was something I have been anticipating from the very 1st time PMJ made the executive decision to not listen to the army generals & used his position as Commander in Chief. I am enjoying the development in PMJ’s leadership style . I am not sure if PMJ was trying pull a bluff, but I am glad he did not grovel when asking Gen Lee for help. Instead he told him he’d assemble other forms of military might to fight back. If he had been all apologetic , Lee in the future would always have the upper hand . 

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8 minutes ago, triplem said:

This drama is really running on steroids now given that we finally have a military coup. This was something I have been anticipating from the very 1st time PMJ made the executive decision to not listen to the army generals & used his position as Commander in Chief. I am enjoying the development in PMJ’s leadership style . I am not sure if PMJ was trying pull a bluff, but I am glad he did not grovel when asking Gen Lee for help. Instead he told him he’d assemble other forms of military might to fight back. If he had been all apologetic , Lee in the future would always have the upper hand .

 

Yes I liked how he handled that situation.  He didn’t grovel.  He didn’t act all stupid, squirm and seem to be out of his league.  He did his research and homework before he went to that meeting.  He showed Lee that he knew how to use the weapons he had available.  So yes there’s definitely more of a politician who’s more decisive coming out.  No longer floundering.

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6xnF7AE.gif

 

Here is a gif I made out of preview. Looks like Madam Yun and Tailor Kim?

 

But what are they saying in the preview.

 

 

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Also this one of the highlights. LOL! I need to find a short video on this though!!

 

 
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Also this::lol:
That awkward moment when you run out of office related vernacular and there is UST!!!
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PS: Sorry for the low quality though!

 

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Actually after a think I still reckon VIP is Advisor Han.  The photos of Yun with the Tailor are red herrings.  I don’t think she’s behaved consistently “evil” enough to be hiding that secret.  She wouldn’t have stopped OYS’s swearing in ceremony when HNG rang her to cast doubt on Oh.  She would’ve just let the henchmen deal with her and pretend not to know and let it run its course.  Nor would she have given HNG the original blueprints for the bomb shelter room.  So no I don’t think she’s the VIP.  :huh:

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@nrllee Oops I conveniently forgot those points!:D When you say it like that I guess to make her the mastermind the story will get too elaborate and convoluted just to fit in 2 episodes. I'll make a guess she is meeting Tailor Kim because this military coup is much more threatening than the VIP. 

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What a sad ending for OYS. His colleague Sangmin understood that it would have been better to die like that then be ridiculed by the public when they have been cheered as heroes. I wonder if PMJ would make known of their involvement in the NA bombing. 

 

@pompyavi @bebebisous33 i share your thoughts on Tailor Kim that he may be the VIP. I have a feeling we may never know/see who the VIP is till the end of the show. 

With all that has happened in ep14 i'm of the opinion that the VIP's plan were flawed. With such magnitude as bombing a National Assembly and killing 200+ people to change a government whoever he/she is did not take into consideration the characters in play like OYS and General Eun. He expected them to obey his orders without question when really they have a mind of their own. There was no plan B or C and tailor Kim was shaking when confronted by General Eun. 

 

7 hours ago, 40somethingahjumma said:

The awkwardness was funny too when PMJ was confronted by the missus.

I thought he displayed that same nerdiness when he proposed to her. He smiled sheepishly and looked like a school boy being reprimanded for not doing his homework hahaha

 

I don't think Gen Lee will join hands with Gen Eun. He was proud enough not to bow to PMJ but he is a honorable man. 

 

There is still that nagging question of who the mole is in the BH. 

 

 

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Many have voiced their opinion on the 2 episodes... just wanna say, 

 

1. Im shocked at Minister Oh's death. He was going to die anyway but it wasnt suppose to be like that, i guess.  Then again, i was worried that he might be shot at by the snipers, you know how crazy those snipers are; when they could have taken someone alive, tv dramas like to show us how they become clumsy and kill people on the spot... hah

 

2. Im sure General Lee will not join General Eun

 

3. Hey, whats with the small scene for Sec Cha and Jeong... haiz...

 

4. Sec Han looks more restless... and yes I agree that Rep Yun is not the VIP. Its still Sec Han ...  hmmm

 

5. And Agent Han should pay more attention to her junior. Im sure she is aware of his feelings... 

 

2 more episodes to go! DS Fighting ! :)

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