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2 hours ago, nrllee said:

Anyone want to take a stab at what the primary goal is for the terror cell?  All I have worked out is what they are AGAINST (no peace with North Korea) but not much seems to be revealed about what their actual cause is?  If they want a new Korea, what is it they really want to see?  We sort of know what Oh wants to see and his leadership style but he seems to be at odds with the VIP so his personal views doesn’t seem to be aligning with the VIP’s?  I am trying to work out what their (VIP) primary driver is.  Advisor Han’s conversation with Cha in the corridors.  He spits out rather hatefully that the people don’t “deserve” a good President.  Instead they have chosen a man like Oh who wields power as he pleases.  What is his (Han) motive in letting the country implode like that?   It’s as if he is saying, “well I really don’t care anymore. This country has chosen to kill itself by choosing a dictator like Oh.  So be it.”  Is he so bitter about the whole nation that this is his way of personal vengeance (on a large scale?)?  So it’s not so much about building a new (or better) country at all, it’s about sending the country to it’s “death”.  Just thinking out loud. :lol:

Ok let me try. First of all we have to look at the mastermind meaning the VIP. I don't think Han is the VIP. Someone said in the drama (can't remember who, have to rewatch ep13) that the VIP is a very rich and powerful person. A peace treaty with NK means the US will have a limited presence in SK. These rich and powerful conglomerates may loose billions in arms deals with the US. Things like creating a new Korea is just a farce and OYS may soon realize he is just a tool. 

I believe Han still mourns for Yang. President Yang worked so hard to realize the peace treaty but people just don't care. They choose to believe what they want. As an eg. the Discrimination Act is for basic equal rights not just sexual orientation but the opposition is manipulating the truth to discredit PMJ. Han must be tired and have lost faith in the masses. Could it be that Han is protecting PMJ in some way?

 

So who is the mole in the BH? The issue of why Gen Lee security clearance was revoked was not dealt with or did it. Will someone care to enlightened me on that one. 

 

p.s. Gen Eun had knew the contents of the confidential file but did not have accesses to it. Who then leaked it, it comes back to the mole then. 

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I totally loved episode 13. 

OYS is losing his cool little by little. 

 

V.I.P? Could he only want to make more money? Could it be that simple reason for treason?

And when he has his own puppet president he could actually run the country. 

 

Han? It looks like he hates his country and doesn't care after YAng died in the bombing. So is he actually involved? I don't think so. 

But who is the mole? the classes lady( can't remember her name), president park assistant who also has classes, or is it really han who is the mole?

 

 

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Am I the only one worried about President Park bursting his stitches? Even secretary Cha chose to ignore his obvious signs of pain. Poor President..

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2 minutes ago, Prettysup said:

Am I the only one worried about President Park bursting his stitches? Even secretary Cha chose to ignore his obvious signs of pain. Poor President..

Yes, that was actually quite worrying. I guess that was done for effect. This is a selfless man who is giving his all to ensure that the most important position in this country does not fall into the wrong hands.

I think this is possibly the  most important difference between the other candidates and him. The rest want the power for themselves , he wants it to ensure that it is not abused. 

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Gonna make this my fan level :lol:. I love these two as well. I get why tabling the  Anti-Discriminatory act was so important to Nam Wook. Yep, he wasn't thinking things from a political standpoint; it was not good for the polls but for a moment it was not Press Secretary Kim who was talking . It was the wish of Kim Nam Wook , a  North Korean defector  and who has had to work doubly hard to prove his loyalty to his adopted home and  to prove that he deserves this position. He , more than anyone else , knows what it's like to suffer discrimination first hand. 

 

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There was something that bothered me since the president was shot and sent to the hospital.. as if the comfort of the president wasnt their priority, i literally open my eyes bigger when i saw the doctor move the president on his side, bullet wound and all...

 

Since he has recovered, shouldnt a doctor check up on him regulary? Just saw ep13, and we saw that he need to keep pressing his side, as he was in pain... haiz...

 

Cha and Jeong, ok seriously u guys need to move to have that coffee soon.... its already ep14 tonight,  get that drinks already! Cant wait to see the President teased them about their relationship :)

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Preview episode 15

 

 

No preview on Netflix 

 

Can someone please translate these? 

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8 hours ago, nrllee said:

Anyone want to take a stab at what the primary goal is for the terror cell?  All I have worked out is what they are AGAINST (no peace with North Korea) but not much seems to be revealed about what their actual cause is?  If they want a new Korea, what is it they really want to see?  We sort of know what Oh wants to see and his leadership style but he seems to be at odds with the VIP so his personal views doesn’t seem to be aligning with the VIP’s?  I am trying to work out what their (VIP) primary driver is.  Advisor Han’s conversation with Cha in the corridors.  He spits out rather hatefully that the people don’t “deserve” a good President.  Instead they have chosen a man like Oh who wields power as he pleases.  What is his (Han) motive in letting the country implode like that?   It’s as if he is saying, “well I really don’t care anymore. This country has chosen to kill itself by choosing a dictator like Oh.  So be it.”  Is he so bitter about the whole nation that this is his way of personal vengeance (on a large scale?)?  So it’s not so much about building a new (or better) country at all, it’s about sending the country to it’s “death”.  Just thinking out loud. :lol:

 

Yes, the last episode underlined how different the expectations from the conspirators are. The general Eun had no problem to betray the VIP by siding with OYS, the moment he realized the VIP's plan. In my opinion, he only realized it, after the interrogation by the security guard. He was not the one who leaked the file. Remember that before he didn't know that OYS had been chosen by the VIP as designated survivor.

And from my point of view, this is the reason why the terrorists will fail in the end. The VIP has no idea that OYS is a potential dictator therefore he can not be treated like a puppet. OYS sought in the presidential seat the ultimate power so that he can no longer receive any order. They are not really united, their only common point was their hatred for Yang's policy and especially for the Treaty with NK.

 

I have also the impression that Han is not the VIP, rather an accomplice who was so disappointed by Korean citizens that he thought, they no longer need any support and help.

Strangely, I have been thinking about the superior of the reporter Woo as VIP. He doesn't care about policies and people, he just wants news. In his position, he is connected to many people from the industry, the prosecution, the police, the Blue House, to politicians... Over the years, he could have gained power. Sure, he doesn't look like someone rich and powerful but this could be a ploy in order to mislead people. Furthermore, he always acts as mentor in front of Woo and we know that the VIP is close to the tailor Kim, a young man. Kim perceives the VIP as mentor as well. Okay, I am not entirely convinced with this idea but who knows?! 

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While watching the episode 14 RAW, I had the impression that the tailor is in reality the VIP because of the tears and resent, when he was standing next to Tae Ik (the naturalized Japanese ex-boxer).

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2 minutes ago, bebebisous33 said:

While watching the episode 14 RAW, I had the impression that the tailor is in reality the VIP because of the tears and resent, when he was standing next to Tae Ik (the naturalized Japanese ex-boxer).

Exactly my thoughts. He indeed is the VIP. But who is the mole in BH? Secretary Han? I didn't see this coming. Totally unexpected. 

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8 hours ago, imgreatgal said:

Ok let me try. First of all we have to look at the mastermind meaning the VIP. I don't think Han is the VIP. Someone said in the drama (can't remember who, have to rewatch ep13) that the VIP is a very rich and powerful person. A peace treaty with NK means the US will have a limited presence in SK. These rich and powerful conglomerates may loose billions in arms deals with the US. Things like creating a new Korea is just a farce and OYS may soon realize he is just a tool. 

I believe Han still mourns for Yang. President Yang worked so hard to realize the peace treaty but people just don't care. They choose to believe what they want. As an eg. the Discrimination Act is for basic equal rights not just sexual orientation but the opposition is manipulating the truth to discredit PMJ. Han must be tired and have lost faith in the masses. Could it be that Han is protecting PMJ in some way?

 

So who is the mole in the BH? The issue of why Gen Lee security clearance was revoked was not dealt with or did it. Will someone care to enlightened me on that one. 

 

p.s. Gen Eun had knew the contents of the confidential file but did not have accesses to it. Who then leaked it, it comes back to the mole then. 

agree and @nrllee i think if we just look back via history the underlying message is about power and control. i think they are really trying to lean towards a much more right / totalitarian gov. it makes sense given what's happening in the world rn. it's just nuts that it was this huge terrorist attack and it's sad. but i guess the world is dealing with this rn on smaller scales (all the gun attacks in the US.) it's saddening, the actual story of PMJ is so farfetched but the content is all things that can and have happened. it just seems so ridiculous, why would someone in 2019 kill 200+ people in a bombing. 

 

super happy about that trending in sk! even with all the bad things, people are caring. the show also reflects that. i think what's so compelling is just how accurate this show is in feelings and sentiment. i wonder if the original is this way. i should probs try it since i'm american and it will be way easier to understand.

 

kang han na is SO COOL. ugh i love her. 

 

and is it just me seeing this totally wrong, being blinded by han and heo joon ho but i still have no inkling to think he's part of VIP. i do think hes angry tho.........IDK WE SHALL SEE. gonan start ep 14

 

omg this is silly so sorry but in american english 'tabling' in government means literally putting it aside, while literally everywhere else it means the opposite of that (introducing.) i was so worried about what PMJ would do (i should have known) so i was reading comments and when i saw @triplem say they tabled it i was SO SAD. then i was like "wait a minute...that doesn't sound like him..." lmao language and dialects...

 

starting ep 14 and can i just say...han mo's family is so cute. i loved that kid. what a clever idiot LOL. and it was really hard to like them in the beginning (the team) but now i feel like they've carved out their own sanctuary to save the world~ together. they're just too cute. ugh i am really going to miss the show! can't believe we only have one more week...

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Wow Madam Yun is an amazing woman! That anti discriminatory bill was really close to her heart. I guess she don't want her son and son-in-law to come home. But I'm not sure about the photo with the Kim tailor in the preview!

 

I love Agent HNG! I'll say this for now and let everyone comment after subs. I've watched it with subs now.Tonight it came faster.

I think I'll watch the last two episodes live.

Spoiler

I've found a way to do it!

 

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Tailor Kim knew exactly what kind of man OYS was as he reminded OYS that Benito Mussolini, Hitler and Hugo Chavez all had a tragic ending. Furthermore he explained that all of them were placed by VIPs but once elected by the citizens, they escaped the control from the VIPs. 

 

However, what Tailor Kim is saying is actually nonsense, when it comes to Adolf Hitler. This is not so simple as he represents it. 
 

Spoiler

 

Adolf Hitler was never elected as president, he was just nominated as Chancellor by the president Hindenburg (encouraged by his advisors) and while the Vice-Chancellor Von Papen with the other members from the government thought, they could control Hitler as his party represented the minority in the government, Hitler didn't get the absolute majority of the voters in March 1933. Back then, the socialists and communists were arrested and prosecuted, propaganda was full in power, yet Hitler still had to rely on other parties to rule for a while. Just after the elections, he  proposed a new law and asked the deputies from the Reichstag (National Assembly) for their support. This law called "Enabling Act" is really important as it gave Hitler the executive and the legislative power together. From that moment, the National assembly became obsolete. For that law, he needed to get more than 2/3 of the votes. Fact is that the SPD (the socialists) was the only party to reject this. This outlines that opposition was still possible, the other party like the Zentrum (Center) gave in, although the assemblymen from the Center could have opposed to it. In other words, citizens were not the ones who gave Hitler the full power, it is quite different: intrigues, ambitious men, assemblymen aso. 

 

 

 

 

Anyway, after watching this, it became clear to me that OYS was never supposed to become elected (due to the words about Hitler). He just used him as puppet and in my opinion, he has another goal in mind. I sense deep hatred for the citizens, he criticized them for being so relaxed... so I am wondering if the ultimate goal is to destroy SK as such, hurt the Korean citizens and here I see a connection with Han. I am wondering if Han has been his mentor, confident or even he is the VIP.   

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1 hour ago, bebebisous33 said:

I sense deep hatred for the citizens, he criticized them for being so relaxed... so I am wondering if the ultimate goal is to destroy SK as such, hurt the Korean citizens and here I see a connection with Han. I am wondering if Han has been his mentor, confident or even he is the VIP.

 

That is my impression too.  That Han no longer cares.  It’s like he has set a self destruct bomb on the whole of Korea and he is just watching it implode.  Hence my question as to what the intentions are for the terror cell.  If Han is not the VIP and just one of the minions then the VIP would just be using his (and OYS) dissatisfaction with the current state of affairs to serve his bigger purpose.  If on the other hand, Han is the VIP and his goal is for Korea to collapse and implode, then putting a despot like OYS in the driver’s seat would be the perfect way to send the country spiraling into turmoil and chaos.  

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I've just been quietly lurking for fear I might unnecessarily spoil the suspense by comparing with the American version. Anyways, am glad the K-version has slightly veered away from the original series in many aspects.  Sec. Cha's US counterpart actually resigned, so am happy to see him stay in the Blue House. Agent Han Mo's counterpart and son both perished in the western version, but still much alive over the East.  Minister Oh's ending is not as pathetic as what happened to his counterpart.  I definitely prefer this K-version over the American progenitor.   The series is almost over, yet it's still very exciting.  I hope the great reveal on who the VIP is will not disappoint. 

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