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@bebebisous33  I always loved your insightful views. Also with this drama. But I would like to say the previous late president's name was Yang Jin-Man  not Jang.:) or very well ( Y and J sound same with some  languages it seems. lol)

 

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5 minutes ago, angelbeast90 said:

@bebebisous33  I always loved your insightful views. Also with this drama. But I would like to say the previous late president's name was Yang Jin-Man  not Jang.:) or very well ( Y and J sound same with some  languages it seems. lol)

 

Have to go for now.

 

Thanks a lot for correcting me!! I was too lazy to verify...I have already corrected my posts. Honestly, Korean names are difficult for me to remember.

 

I have the impression that OYS used his survival at the battle in order to create a myth: he is a hero, while in reality he was not. Now, another myth has been created: he survived the bombing, whereas in reality his life had never been endangered!! 

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So  OYS is a superficial person whereas PMJ is not. OYS with all his intentions have deceived the general public already it seems. He speaks in ideals but not in what is practical and realistic. Looks like he knows what is best for the nation and in his opinion the nation knows not what it wants! So is he going to become a dictator!! Lets see what he does when he gets to become Acting President. I hope it does not take a revolution to get him off the power though! So in order to do that PMJ needs to take the power back in his hands!

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22 hours ago, imgreatgal said:

Looks like everyone here doesn't think or do not want Sec Cha to be that mole in the BH and i sooooooo do not want him to be too hahaha! but that recording Sec Jeong just heard could put a damper on their ongoing romance i'm sorry to say hahaha

 

 And honestly... that's all it is. :D It is just to get JSJ all jumpy so that the romance gets postponed. I don't think anybody seriously believes CYJ is the Blue House mole. Especially when he's been courted by  PMJ's opponents and he's turned them down each down in favour of the newbie PMJ who is Mr Babe-in-the-woods. 

 

23 hours ago, triplem said:

 

 

May I join you on this? :lol:  LJH was the main reason I started this and part of me  does not want to see him be the ultimate baddie; though we know he has a penchant for taking on these shady characters. Am sure you know I am terribly bias but I do love how understated he plays this character.  Though he is  quietly confident and projects a gentle demeanor , there are moments in his words where he is seething with anger .  So good. 

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Though I can't entirely read OYS and it seems he  isn't the VIP,  I do think he is part of this because he truly  believes that this is the only way for a new Korea to be formed .  Actually he fits the terrorist mind set in some ways.  There's misconception that terrorists are sadists or psychopaths who are eveready  to plant a bomb somewhere.  Many willingly join a terrorist organisation for very rational reasons. OYS for example isn't doing this because he is a deviant personality or power hungry ( the way I feel Yun is ). He is hurt and disappointed , and like many terrorists genuinely sees that political violence is the only way to react to a perceived injustice . That is why there's utmost sincerity in every word he says- this is him trying to right a wrong . Though the wrong may very well be real or imagined .

 

I know. In my heart I know he's been "taken" by the dark side.  It's just that I see some good in him and I don't see him as an outright baddie even if there's an air of contempt. And not because it's LJH... ;) But definitely because of LJH's performance. :D

In fact, like you, I think he probably believes he is doing the right thing. He doesn't believe any of the people who died in the National Assembly were innocent as they were culpable in the Beolgyeol (?) battle (whatever its called) where so many of his men purportedly died for nothing. And of course the impending peace treaty with North Korea must have been the final insult. He's a military man so some of this must sting. If he is indeed what he appears to be... a key figure in the conspiracy... then he is being inconsistent in seeing that those who died in the bombing attack as collateral damage to build the new Korea he and others have envision.

Sigh... the part I'm struggling with is that a man like that would allow himself to be used in this fashion. He must know he is being used but perhaps he thinks he can gain the upperhand once he has sufficient power. *shrug shoulders*

 

I read a really interesting article in the Atlantic a few years ago in which the writer interviewed men who had joined ISIS to get to the bottom of the "why". Fascinating stuff and very balanced. Most were pretty ordinary guys who just wanted to be part of something bigger themselves. They had a particular worldview/ belief system and they followed it through to its logical consequence. The fact that they believed that there was a metaphorical pot of gold at the end of the rainbow probably didn't hurt.

 

I certainly don't think terrorists are people with mental health issues. That's the secular western media's take of it. Most of us know better. ;)

 

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@bebebisous33 The way you've broken it down sounds highly plausible and it does make sense for Sec Han to be involved in General Lee's sacking because he's in the right spot. But what is his motive for participating in this conspiracy? Was he under duress? Did he not agree with President Yang's policies? Because even if he had the opportunity and the means, he was really fond of the late president. I don't think that was insincere. Was he against the North Korean treaty? I have so many questions still.

I guess I need more to be fully convinced of his culpability. 

 

For me I still feel like I'm groping around in the dark because we have some of the pieces of the puzzle and not all of it. Moreover, we don't exactly know where all the pieces of the puzzle fit. 

 

If it wasn't for the fact that the late President Yang was so pro-treaty, I'd even throw out the theory that he plotted his own demise particularly because he's the one who ordered the simulation of the NA attack to be done in the first place. :P

 

I don't expect anything... really... ;) I'm just looking and waiting for answers. Just speculating like everyone else. 

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1 hour ago, 40somethingahjumma said:

 

@bebebisous33 The way you've broken it down sounds highly plausible and it does make sense for Sec Han to be involved in General Lee's sacking because he's in the right spot. But what is his motive for participating in this conspiracy? Was he under duress? Did he not agree with President Yang's policies? Because even if he had the opportunity and the means, he was really fond of the late president. I don't think that was insincere. Was he against the North Korean treaty? I have so many questions still.

I guess I need more to be fully convinced of his culpability. 

 

For me I still feel like I'm groping around in the dark because we have some of the pieces of the puzzle and not all of it. Moreover, we don't exactly know where all the pieces of the puzzle fit. 

 

If it wasn't for the fact that the late President Yang was so pro-treaty, I'd even throw out the theory that he plotted his own demise particularly because he's the one who ordered the simulation of the NA attack to be done in the first place. :P

 

I don't expect anything... really... ;) I'm just looking and waiting for answers. Just speculating like everyone else. 

To me, the answer lies in the following words: "the less evil". Since pride and shame seem important to Han, I have the impression that the peace treaty with North Korea was just the trigger for him to abandon Yang. Disillusion in the democratic system could be a huge explanation. Don't forget how Yun and KSK are behaving. Yun had no remorse to use the bombing for her personal agenda... KSK did the same as well. They showed no care for the citizens... all what they were thinking was their own political career. One of the reasons why The Weimar Republic failed (First German democracy) was the lack of democracy and democrats. This republic is often described as "a democracy without democrats".

Hitler could install a dictatorship because many citizens and politicians were no longer democrats and furthermore this country didn't have a long democratic past. The administration (justice, police, teachers) had not been changed and even democratized hence many people in the administration longed for a monarchy and an authoritarian regime. South Korea is a young democracy and has a long past connected to military junta/dictatorship. I see here some parallels. To me, Han has been disillusioned... especially if f. ex. he lost someone in the Battle. 

Besides, I can't help thinking about von Papen, the Vice-Chancellor under Hitler (1933-1934).

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Papen entered politics and joined the Centre Party, better known as the Zentrum. The monarchist Papen formed part of the conservative, anti-Semitic wing of the party that rejected democracy and the Weimar Coalition with the Social Democratic Party of Germany (SPD). Papen's politics were much closer to the German National People's Party than to the Zentrum, and he seems to have belonged to the Zentrum on the account of his Roman Catholicism and a hope that he could shift his party to the right.

 As you can see, van Papen belonged a democratic party but his ideas were actually anti-democratic. He actually thought that since Hitler's party only had 3 posts in the government (Hitler as Chancellor, Göring and Frick (Home Secretary/minister of the interior)), he could frame Hitler, I mean he could control Hitler. Don't forget that Han had imagined that he would be able to control PMJ. In my opinion, Han might have imagined that he could do the same with OYS, well aware that he had a different policy: the less evil in his eyes. 

 

Sure, there is no guarantee with my explanations. I even doubt that Han will fully explain his reasons. So far, OYS didn't give real explanation for his involvement. We have to guess based on his words... just like with Han.

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@bebebisous33

 

That was a wonderful read, and thank you for contributing!

 

Can we examine these leaks you mentioned? What are the actions that are possibly created by the Tailor group?

1)     Leak 1: Park gets fired on that Day – I cant recall correctly whether An is the leak or there is someone else?

2)    Leak 2: His son is not his and possibility of an affair – leak is from both the Agent and ex husband

3)    Leak 3: NK video leak – from Cha

 

My question is, what are the tailor’s group strategy? It seems like post bombing, they let Oh take the center stage, while clearing out “weeds”. But in EP10, it seems like they will take an active role to let Oh has the advantage, and next we know, there is a shooting.

 

Also I feel that Oh may not agree entirely with Tailor’s group, however both of their goals fits, and hence Oh bring his military gang over to the Tailor.

 

And I think Han is the chess piece in terms of administration mole. He might have another mole working with him eg Call centre, as well as multiple moles around. Because he knew the blueprint of the Assembly, has the means back then to approve the building of secret room, as well as swaying Yang’s strategies.

 

You are right that rich industrialist must be present to support such a huge maneuver  besides having military and administrative support. But I am still racking my brain trying to think about links on it.

 

Also, I am thinking of shooting as a means to sway public opinion. For example this case, 3-19 shooting incident. I was a kid back then, but I remember how the public opinion swayed to the then President, and he did won the reelection. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3-19_shooting_incident

 

With regards to Oh, he is shrouded with mystery, covering his motivation as much as possible (Unlike Cha who has revealed his motivation) except for the scene with Yun. That was the only time his peacelike mask falls off slightly. He is angry about how his comrades are being treated, and based on how his comrades treated him (with a dog like loyalty), I think they have the same mind as Oh.

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@jenappelle ah its okay! But I am recommending to watch the American version. You’ll die laughing of the bantering and how the Cabinet for Housing became the Designated Survivor. In Korean version they made him Scientist from KAIST. Well, I believe they chose the school well to represent a scientist from KAIST (but I am so bias because my older sibling graduated there as foreigner scientist-engineer. hahhahaha). Also, for Korean setting  what hooked me more to the drama were the wise crack of music so deadly spot on! hahahahaha! The humor of video editor — I’m so done! hahhahaah! 

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Just finised ep10...Sigh!  Sec Cha?? Really...Oh no....  Sec Han had more power than Cha... we can just hope for the best.

 

Really sad for Agents Han and Kim and the show is good in promoting patriotic sentiments to viewers, country before self... sigh... and whose that boy who is in love with Agent Han? Will they end up together?

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I would advise to look in the original:D. So funny that it seems like a belly burst:sweat_smile:. I reviewed 4 times. And every time the first time)

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1 hour ago, jenappelle said:

@bebebisous33

 

That was a wonderful read, and thank you for contributing!

 

Can we examine these leaks you mentioned? What are the actions that are possibly created by the Tailor group?

1)     Leak 1: Park gets fired on that Day – I cant recall correctly whether An is the leak or there is someone else?

2)    Leak 2: His son is not his and possibility of an affair – leak is from both the Agent and ex husband

3)    Leak 3: NK video leak – from Cha

 

My question is, what are the tailor’s group strategy? It seems like post bombing, they let Oh take the center stage, while clearing out “weeds”. But in EP10, it seems like they will take an active role to let Oh has the advantage, and next we know, there is a shooting.

 

Also I feel that Oh may not agree entirely with Tailor’s group, however both of their goals fits, and hence Oh bring his military gang over to the Tailor.

 

And I think Han is the chess piece in terms of administration mole. He might have another mole working with him eg Call centre, as well as multiple moles around. Because he knew the blueprint of the Assembly, has the means back then to approve the building of secret room, as well as swaying Yang’s strategies.

 

You are right that rich industrialist must be present to support such a huge maneuver  besides having military and administrative support. But I am still racking my brain trying to think about links on it.

 

Also, I am thinking of shooting as a means to sway public opinion. For example this case, 3-19 shooting incident. I was a kid back then, but I remember how the public opinion swayed to the then President, and he did won the reelection. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3-19_shooting_incident

 

With regards to Oh, he is shrouded with mystery, covering his motivation as much as possible (Unlike Cha who has revealed his motivation) except for the scene with Yun. That was the only time his peacelike mask falls off slightly. He is angry about how his comrades are being treated, and based on how his comrades treated him (with a dog like loyalty), I think they have the same mind as Oh.

Thanks a lot for the compliment! :wub:It's great to read that my long analysis are appreciated.

However, I would like to add something about the leaks:

Leak 1. Park getting fired was leaked by Ahn Se Young. During that time, Han was no longer working but he knew about it.

Leak 2: the agent who discovered the possibility of the affair couldn't leak the scandal as he died in the attack. The reporter got it from the ex-husband and I suspect that someone in the Blue House must have read the file about PMJ. I doubt that Han did it directly. 

Notice that Han has never leaked anything directly but in my opinion, he expected it to be leaked as he had planned it. This is his MO. He is never directly linked, just like the project was created under Yang's name. However, Han never thought that PMJ would be able to deal with these problems. I would like to underline that PMJ has always valued morality, integrity and people, whereas Han spoke of pride, shame and nation!! 

 

As for the ultimate goal of that group, it looks like that a new regime should take place. Notice that OYS talked about a revolution. Just like Hitler who described his access to power (his nomination as Chancellor) as a nationalist revolution... I have the impression that a dictatorship or a authoritarian government should be expected, under the disguise of legality. OYS wins the election. Hitler wanted to get the power legally and used the fire of the Reichstag building (The building of the German National Assembly) in order to revoke certain civil rights. Don't forget that just after the attack, martial laws had been declared. 

 

We heard that a weapons company delivered the explosive to that Internet company that's why I thought that some industrialists from that sector must be supporting these conspirators. Furthermore, I suspect another group, the media. The superior of the journalist Woo could be working for them. Notice how he manipulated Woo, he used her as a pawn. She realized her mistake too late. She hated it to have been used like that. So some people from the industry, the military, the Blue House, the police, the NSI and the media have been planted there in order to ensure the "revolution". They infiltrated the different organizations. I am quite sure that LGM's clearance was revoked because the conspirators knew that he would never support them. He might be a hardliner concerning North Korea but he is quite loyal to the regime. Notice that each time, they discover something... there is always someone who will be blamed: the general LMG for the file, CYJ for the call, the NSI agent for the murder of that North Korean dissident, the "general from North Korean" who fled from his country for the bombing etc. The latter was in reality  just a puppet and was misled. He had no idea about the true goal of that bombing. He was used as a cover up. I also believe that Yun's coordinator is a mole working for the terrorists as he was by her side, when Han called her. He knew about her coming. 

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12 hours ago, 40somethingahjumma said:

And honestly... that's all it is. :D It is just to get JSJ all jumpy so that the romance gets postponed.

 

Yeah, the usual bumpy ride in the Kdrama relationship. :D Which we all know they will overcome and she will have to do the asking next time :lol:.

 

4 hours ago, bebebisous33 said:

Leak 2: the agent who discovered the possibility of the affair couldn't leak the scandal as he died in the attack. The reporter got it from the ex-husband and I suspect that someone in the Blue House must have read the file about PMJ. I doubt that Han did it directly. 

 

Have you watched the most recent Eps yet?  It was revealed (howbeit cryptically) that it was JunO (Agent Han NG’s fiancé) who leaked the parenting scandal.  He had been assigned to the Blue House then and was the one vetting PMJ’s documentation.  He was thought to have died in the bombing.  But of course he didn’t.  It was his way of getting PMJ’s attention and the IP address led PMJ to meet him at that house.

 

Yes you have picked up all the other suspected “moles” or “chess pieces” in play.  It is a new regime they are planning.  But I do like your (and @40somethingahjumma) thoughts about someone else outside with the means to bankroll such an operation.  Maybe this will be the faceless VIP that has yet to be revealed.

 

So I guess the ones in the regime for a New Korea headed by faceless VIP potentially are

1. Ex Sec Han (now Advisor Han)

2. OYS (and his PTSD friends?)

3. Assemblewoman Yun’s Advisor

4. NIS head (HanMo’s boss - where HanMo is Agent HNG’s boss)

5. TaeIk and the other Tailor guy at the shop

 

6. Head of Security Detail (PMJ’s bodyguard who follows him to see JunO) ??? Yes/No?

 

The regime seems to be against a unified Korea.  South Korea was on the brink of signing a new peace deal with North Korea (Sec Han was enroute to the DMZ for official meetings with North Korea delegate), Pres Yang made the official announcement during his speech at the National Assembly which caused quite a stir until the bomb went off seconds later).  The new regime wants a South Korea without the shackles of a merger with the North.  Hence the bombing to halt all conversations and to make North Korea out to be the bad guys again.  PMJ’s dismissal (remember he was dismissed by Yang on the day of the bombing), I seriously doubt he was part of the equation in the regime’s original plans?  He was supposed to die like all the other Ministers.  So they scrambled to get him into the hot seat in the interim.  They expected him to flounder and fail miserably or just sit tight and leave after 60days.  But of course he didn’t so they have been trying to play catch up with this loose cannon all this while.  I guess finally they decided it was too risky to leave him be and had to take him out by assassinating him.

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Sec Cha is a CEO IRL, link below. He must be really respect the craft to venture out of the comfort zone. And really OP IMO, to be able to juggle so many hats and be really good at it. 

 

  P.S. sorry bout posting article from rival site.

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7 hours ago, nrllee said:

 

Yeah, the usual bumpy ride in the Kdrama relationship. :D Which we all know they will overcome and she will have to do the asking next time :lol:.

 

 

Have you watched the most recent Eps yet?  It was revealed (howbeit cryptically) that it was JunO (Agent Han NG’s fiancé) who leaked the parenting scandal.  He had been assigned to the Blue House then and was the one vetting PMJ’s documentation.  He was thought to have died in the bombing.  But of course he didn’t.  It was his way of getting PMJ’s attention and the IP address led PMJ to meet him at that house.

 

Yes you have picked up all the other suspected “moles” or “chess pieces” in play.  It is a new regime they are planning.  But I do like your (and @40somethingahjumma) thoughts about someone else outside with the means to bankroll such an operation.  Maybe this will be the faceless VIP that has yet to be revealed.

 

So I guess the ones in the regime for a New Korea headed by faceless VIP potentially are

1. Ex Sec Han (now Advisor Han)

2. OYS (and his PTSD friends?)

3. Assemblewoman Yun’s Advisor

4. NIS head (HanMo’s boss - where HanMo is Agent HNG’s boss)

5. TaeIk and the other Tailor guy at the shop

 

6. Head of Security Detail (PMJ’s bodyguard who follows him to see JunO) ??? Yes/No?

 

The regime seems to be against a unified Korea.  South Korea was on the brink of signing a new peace deal with North Korea (Sec Han was enroute to the DMZ for official meetings with North Korea delegate), Pres Yang made the official announcement during his speech at the National Assembly which caused quite a stir until the bomb went off seconds later).  The new regime wants a South Korea without the shackles of a merger with the North.  Hence the bombing to halt all conversations and to make North Korea out to be the bad guys again.  PMJ’s dismissal (remember he was dismissed by Yang on the day of the bombing), I seriously doubt he was part of the equation in the regime’s original plans?  He was supposed to die like all the other Ministers.  So they scrambled to get him into the hot seat in the interim.  They expected him to flounder and fail miserably or just sit tight and leave after 60days.  But of course he didn’t so they have been trying to play catch up with this loose cannon all this while.  I guess finally they decided it was too risky to leave him be and had to take him out by assassinating him.

Thanks for the rectification. I had actually forgotten about it.

 

Honestly, I doubt that PMJ's bodyguard could be a mole. I am suspecting more someone else... HNG's colleague from the NSI because he was the one who was asked first to track down KJW's cellphone. Remember that after she found the cellphone, a few minutes later TaeIk took it away from her. How could have he known about the location of the cellphone? Since Han believed, KJW was dead, the organization believed it as well. And her colleague was the first one to know about it without her telling him. In my opinion, he might have asked for a favor: HNG shouldn't be hurt as he loves her. Once KJW was declared dead, he could start at some point woo her but now the way he died makes it impossible. Don't forget that HNG has never suspected him once... he was already part of the investigation. Yet, on the way to deliver the new discoveries, HM was forced to admit his guilt. HM hadn't even mentioned anything to the NSI chief. Besides, don't you find it weird that HNG has been accused of being an accomplice, while he was spared? Yet the others from the NSI could see that HNG and him were quite close. Do you think that it is a coincidence with his "punishment"? Now he is able to be by her side all the time... Remember that when HNG discovered that KJW was alive, soon after he got killed. He was with her, when he realized that KJW was alive.

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@bebebisous33 Yeah I was having some suspicions about him... Agent Han’s Hoobae?  The one who has a secret crush on her?  Although I was trying not to have everyone end up being on the bad side just because I had an inkling  :lol:.  At one point I was wondering about the lady with a bob (not SJ), the one who types up the transcripts :lol:.  No one is safe. 

 

@yoondonggu when I first read your post in the DS60 context I was like WHAT?  Since when was Cha a CEO?  Did he bankroll the terror plot?  Is he the VIP???  Until I read it again and realised I read wrong :lol:.  

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1 hour ago, bebebisous33 said:

Honestly, I doubt that PMJ's bodyguard could be a mole. I am suspecting more someone else... HNG's colleague from the NSI because he was the one who was asked first to track down KJW's cellphone. Remember that after she found the cellphone, a few minutes later TaeIk took it away from her. How could have he known about the location of the cellphone? Since Han believed, KJW was dead, the organization believed it as well. And her colleague was the first one to know about it without her telling him. In my opinion, he might have asked for a favor: HNG shouldn't be hurt as he loves her. Once KJW was declared dead, he could start at some point woo her but now the way he died makes it impossible. Don't forget that HNG has never suspected him once... he was already part of the investigation. Yet, on the way to deliver the new discoveries, HM was forced to admit his guilt. HM hadn't even mentioned anything to the NSI chief. Besides, don't you find it weird that HNG has been accused of being an accomplice, while he was spared? Yet the others from the NSI could see that HNG and him were quite close. Do you think that it is a coincidence with his "punishment"? Now he is able to be by her side all the time... Remember that when HNG discovered that KJW was alive, soon after he got killed. He was with her, when he realized that KJW was alive.

Do you mean that computer guy?? i just thought that it was weird that he is with her all the time. He is not a field guy but base in the office right? Doesn't his boss notice that he's been missing from his work station??

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7 minutes ago, imgreatgal said:

Do you mean that computer guy?? i just thought that it was weird that he is with her all the time. He is not a field guy but base in the office right? Doesn't his boss notice that he's been missing from his work station??

 

Yes I think @bebebisous33 is referring to Agent HNG’s Hoobae who is with her now on the run.  He gave up a lot for her.  His apartment was blown up. :huh: He’s on the run with her.  I thought it was weird that the boss didn’t follow up on him when she ran off.  You’d think they would investigate all those who seemed close to her? Plot hole maybe. 

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@nrllee @imgreatgal Yes, I was referring to the Hoobae, the IT guy. Yes, his flat was blown up but this is the best cover for not suspecting him. For me, he looks really like a double agent. Furthermore, the IT guy knew that KJW would be observing HNG since he was the one who rescued her once. In order to eliminate him, they had to target her because he would come to her rescue, like he did the last time. What they don't know is that PMJ had already met KJW and told him about his suspicions. Therefore the conspirators think that they eliminated every possible thread except PMJ as HNG has been caught and she is already accused of being an accomplice. The question is when PMJ will be able to meet HNG. In my opinion, the chief of the NSI will be the next who will be caught. PMJ needs to remove him in order to release HNG and Han Mo. 

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Good thoughts @bebebisous33.  Actually I was also wondering if they saved the boy before they dashed off to stop the assassination.  Agent HNG killed one of them.  TaeIk was with the boy and presumably left him (the boy) on his own in the apartment?  I guess he assumed the other guy would come back soon with the ice cream except he didn’t coz he died in the alleyway?  Unless they tipped off his mom to ring the police to get him?  They couldn’t exactly ring the police themselves coz they were fugitives?  I guess IT Hoobae could’ve worked his magic and phoned in anonymously...  too many questions.  Just have to wait for next week to reveal more answers 

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@bebebisous33 you're the best detective. hahaha it could all be about timing. I mean the gas was leaking in the apartment. What if JunO had call a few minutes late or HNG had turned on the stove then the guy didn't even have to use his remote and the double agent IT guy would be blown up as well. 

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