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[Current Mainland WebDrama 2019] The Legend of Hao Lan / Beauty Hao Lan 皓镧传

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6 minutes ago, therewillbeddl said:

Personally I don’t think it’d be a good idea to include that scandalous aspect into this drama. Female lead will get slandered left and right by viewers and it’s not a good idea for both the actress and the drama as a whole if everyone ends up hating the main lead. People were already looking down on this drama in the beginning as many people do not like Zhao Ji. 

Tbh, I’m already satisfied by the history accuracy part of the drama. The fact that they accurately depicted the ongoing conflicts between Zhao and Qin and other states, especially the Battle of Changping, LBW’s methods to make YR crown prince, the years of suffering HL went through in Zhao with Ying Zheng and even not following Sima Qian’s illogical story about Qin Shihuang’s birth pleasantly surprised me. 

I do understand the repercussion but at least, they could put a twist somewhere to paint Zhao Ji in a better light instead of that one-sided obsession or better off to omit out Lao Ai. LOL But again, there's always the risk when putting a spotlight on a scandalous character as Zhao Ji.

And I agree with you about the paternity of Qin Shi Huang. They made it clear that the child belongs to Yingren and not LBW's. 

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@lyserose very good points! Re sticking closer to history, I don't know... If Sima Qian's records described Lao Ai's penis as being as large as an axle......... I'm inclined to believe that the story about her affairs with Lao AI is as embellished as the pregnancy story.

Oh interesting; I haven't read through all the pages but my impression on the sites I saw was that lots of people checked this drama out for the Yanxi OTP and thus were rooting for LBW. And haha Yiren is a puppy but a very cunning one! I'm fascinated and saddened by his doomed love for Hao Lan :(

Agree re the constant torture of Hao Lan by obsessed men and women. Princess Ya is a very compelling character but I really wish her storyline had wrapped up when it was supposed to...

As for the men being dumb, agree, some could be smarter to show true rivalry, but the feminism goes beyond smarts. I really like how all the women take actions to shape their own lives, whether they're terrible actions or not. They all have agency and it is a sight to see!

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@insertusernamehere Lol. Nobody could actually know what one has below the belt, right? That's why I said, some of Sima Qian's accounts could be discounted and especially that he is a historian of Han Dynasty which succeeded Qin Dynasty, thus he did quite a lot to smear Qin Shi Huang and his origin.

 

Idk how they are going to dress up Lao Ai but again, I still am not really fond of the one-sided obsession. I was hoping for a more creative motivation. 

 

Oh, and can I say how much I like the colour transition in this drama. Back in Zhao, most of them wear white but now that they are in Qin, the colour tone turns darker which reflected the darker sides of each characters now that the stakes are higher. 

 

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@lyserose yes, villian is not the correct word. But when i read LBW history, my first impression is... what a jerk. Willing to let go his pregnant concubine for power. Before the drama start airing, when i watch the trailers, i think 'ahhh... they going to portray LBW as that jerk'. With Mao Zijun as Yingren who is handsome, calm, mysterious... a perfect husband and king. Who knows, the writer twist my early assumption between these two. YR showed his trueself at Qin. And as you said he is pretty useless. He can't even save himself, let alone Haolan.

 

Arghh... Am i too hard on YR? Yes, maybe i'm too hard in him coz I like LBW but YR is unlikeable after Qin Country saga. 

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 Yiren is not useless,he is a brilliant man,it is not only LBW who comes out with a plan how they can survive in that palace,yiren also comes out with good ideas too,even ,they usually plan everything together in yiren hut,he looks very sad not interested in life at all from the beginning,not until LBW met him in prison ,he become an ambitious Prince ,it was LBW who was ambitious by using  HL beauy to attract yiren,then start  couching  him to become ambitious Prince,he fell in love with Hl the very first time he saw her in the street,even when king wanted to execute him for not marrying his daughter,he wasn't afraid to die,he stands firm on his words,it  was LBW who was scared to die .from the beginning LBW plan was to use HL beauty to achieve his embitiousness,he brought HL not because he was in love,he brought her to make use of her beauty to achieve his aim,he basically prepared her to dance for the king ,which almost get HL killed if not yiren who gave her the pill to swallow to prevent the fire  consuming her alive,by then LBW was helpless to save HL.HL open up her heart to LBW but LBW keep thinking of his next plan,three of them scheme together and use each other plus others to achieve what they want.

yiren left for eight years his wife and son is very bad but it was LBW scheme that create that situation,because he was jealous ,he didn't like the way he lost HL to yiren ,he comes out with plan for yiren to go back to his home town to become a king,the situation of scheming to become a king lead yiren to agreed to marry that lady,yiren did not left HL unprotected ,he left his personal bodyguard to her,when the battle was going on ,he was tie up as a hostage ,when HL went into labour ,he has to work against his home town to create a save enveroment for her and the baby.i am not here argue with anyone ,i am just mainly stating my own opinion  how i view and understand the story,i don't have to write too of grammar in my views ,i hope the little grammar i write can be understood.

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It was never my intention to start some kind of ship war which seems inevitable apparently when there's a love triangle at the forefront. ;) I try and steer clear of all of that in general. All I said was that I found YR more intriguing in these early days which had nothing to do with romance at all... although admittedly I'm not as far ahead in my viewing as many here. I have no idea which ship is the most popular in fandom... I'm not really on board on any and I don't think it matters much who Hao Lan ends up with as long as she continues to be the primary agent of that outcome. The men in this show are generally a mixed bag which is fine. Although the king frustrates me the most. They all have their moments even the worst of them. The complexity comes from the fact that they all play the game of survival in the manner that befits their personalities and background.

 

I also don't operate under the assumption that the most deserving should get the girl because that's a loaded term that comes with a set of criteria that we mightn't all share. I see that HL ends up marrying YR who wasn't entirely useless at the time when she was in something of a jam. I can't say I'm entirely surprised if YR ends up being largely a passive bystander because that's always been his default mode. A man can't change that much even if he loves a woman. LBW is different because he has always been a go-getter but his problem is that he does things and makes choices with no regard to how she might feel. That's always been the case. The men are set  up as stark contrasts and yet they both have a profound influence on her trajectory. That's the more important part. Who she loves more doesn't matter much in a drama like this. She's often swept up in events outside of her control even if she attempts to maintain some level of personal agency.

 

 

5 hours ago, insertusernamehere said:

 

 

First off, this is a really feminist drama. The women in the show are constantly smarter than the men, and do not hesitate to use their brains and beauty for survival and desires.

 

 

Yes and no I think. Yes in that the women are often smarter than many of the men and can play the game pretty well. But I also think that they are motivated by very different things. They don't really crave power per se... they are more keen on maintaining the status quo or as in the case of Princess Ya, and it's about earning the affections of a man. HL is a little radical in that she talks about freedom. Even if she's in love with LBW, she's never blind to his flaws and operates shrewdly within those parameters of their relationship. I like that about her most. She's always known that he loves her even if he pretends otherwise. But she hasn't let it completely dominate her life in the way it has for Princess Ya or XY. 

 

There's this great conversation. I think it was when the princes of Chu and Wei (I think) came to forge a marriage alliance with Zhao via the princess. She of course throws a fit, complaining that no one cares about her happiness and that women are used to solve problems created by men. I had some sympathy for that. But I also appreciated YR's answer (I think it was both him and LBW) about the fact that men serve in the army to fight these wars. She's lived a life of luxury and needs to step up when called upon. Marriage alliance are very much the done thing. The gist of it I think is that everyone... men and women... all play a part in resolving geopolitical issues.

 

As far as the romance is concerned, I myself think that she appreciates the two men for different reasons and what they contribute to her life. Neither one is the total package... and it takes two men perhaps to give her what she needs/wants ;) at various points in her life. I say this of course, not really knowing what's ahead.

Rather than see them as competitors, I think that YR and LBW are complementary gap fillers. :P My opinion is that the three of them are in some kind of tacit but turbulent romance. :P It's a C drama afterall.

 

I have to say though, I really enjoyed watching YR and HL contractual marriage at play in the early days. There was a lighter tone and it worked like a rom com. I particularly liked seeing him with his knowing smile and being very sweet to her. The quiet life in isolation with his books really suits him. He is a scholar at heart. I can imagine that being close to the seat of power isn't really his thing.

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Just to clarify.... Indeed Lu Bu Wei is manipulative right from the get go. Idk if there's anyone out there can say that he is a good man because he definitely is not. He bought Hao Lan with the sole intention to give her to the Zhao's king, thus attaining power and wealth thru his connection with her. But do bear in mind, Hao Lan also agreed to this arrangement initially, that is until she fell for LBW. 

 

Also, she was rescued from the sacrifice ritual not only for Yingren's hold breath pill, but because LBW gave her the fire resistance cloak, bribed those people who set the fire stage and presented the white deer to the King of Zhao. To say that he didn't save Haolan is not true. 

 

And tbf, I am not onto shipping war despite that I am on Team LBW. Everyone is free to ship whichever couple they like. I just feel like Yingren is too slow in showing his capability, thus not giving LBW much match as an opponent. Don't get me wrong, I am totally fine with bad men in dramas as long as they can give a good match, thus made the rivalry interesting just like the rivalry between 4th and 8th Prince in Bu Bu Jing Xin. Tbh  I wouldn't want them to make LBW into another Fuheng either. I just hope each character could bring in their A-games. I hope to see Yingren unleashing his true potential and become a worthy frenemy to LBW now that he is the King of Qin. 

 

Finally, let's be open and respect each and everyone's opinion and hope we can continue discussing this drama peacefully. 

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So, Yiren and Haolan get married, and then during those 8 years when they are apart, he marries another woman? I know it's just for power, but is it a genuine marriage (i.e. does he sleep with her, etc)? I've only watched up until episode 18, but so far I prefer the thought of Hao Lan and Yiren together, than her and Lu Bu Wei...not based off any intricate analysis of their characters, just on a superficial level..

 

I can't handle betrayal/cheating of a romantic kind when it comes to my OTPs, so if Yiren genuinely married another woman, or has loads of concubines he pays attention to I likely won't be able to keep watching. :o :(  I know that's really common in historical dramas though :P It didn't bother me in Yanxi because her character seemed so unaffected by it, but as a general rule it does. But that's just me; I find it hard to deal with the emotion. 

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10 hours ago, Amy Joy Hendricks said:

So, Yiren and Haolan get married, and then during those 8 years when they are apart, he marries another woman? I know it's just for power, but is it a genuine marriage (i.e. does he sleep with her, etc)? I've only watched up until episode 18, but so far I prefer the thought of Hao Lan and Yiren together, than her and Lu Bu Wei...not based off any intricate analysis of their characters, just on a superficial level..

 

I can't handle betrayal/cheating of a romantic kind when it comes to my OTPs, so if Yiren genuinely married another woman, or has loads of concubines he pays attention to I likely won't be able to keep watching. :o :(  I know that's really common in historical dramas though :P It didn't bother me in Yanxi because her character seemed so unaffected by it, but as a general rule it does. But that's just me; I find it hard to deal with the emotion. 

He married Siluo for political reason. He went with LBW's plan to get himself adopted by Lady Huayang since she is his father's primary consort, thus made him an heir apparent and has better chance for the throne. 

 

Lady Huayang wanted him to marry Siluo and he had to oblige. People those days married and reproduced not necessarily out of love especially the royals. Most are for political reasons. So, he shouldn't be considered as cheating. And he is not a monk. I doubt he can go abstinence within that long period of 8 years without his wife. So naturally he can sleep with her even when there's no love. And this marriage and a son with another woman is totally in line with actual historical facts of Yingren. 

 

Once Haolan reunited with him in Qin, you can see the difference of his treatments between the two wives. One he married out of love, another for power. 

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I have been following Haolan daily at icdrama. But with my 1% mandarin capacity, I am frustrated to why Yiren has to marry another girl (episode 39-44) and has another boy with that girl during that 8 years he was apart with Haolan. Did he ever try to visit Haolan and his son? I love how he treated Haolan at first but somehow I felt so betrayed when he married the girl and consummated that very night! That really made my heart hurts! Instead of protecting Haolan not to create another variable, now he is created another heartache for his own family, his sons fighting for his attention, sad history repeated itself by one who cannot zip his pants up.

 

Fast forward, 8 years later, it is not him who find ways to pick up Haolan and his son. It was Haolan came to the city to find him. Hey Yiren, what happen my sweet King? look at LBW, he is still waiting for Haolan...

 

I am also watching I will never let you go, the main actor (Zhang bin bin) loves Ariel and always on the look for her and protect her even they are apart. And keep himself. Just like 10 miles peach blossoms main actor faithfulness.

 

Oh, help me to get over my disappointment over Yiren. I don't know if my weak heart if can finish this unending drama.

 

Also that evil zhao princess, why now after all the bad things she did, even killed the other kind princess that was supposed to be in her position now, she has the high position even pregnant with Yiren"s brother's baby and that prince loves her pieces. Oh my ...I don't know how far I can stand all these unjust plots and unending bad things happening to good people. 

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@luv2munch I can't believe I am defending Yingren since it has been clear that my preference is towards Lu Bu Wei but I still think I need to justify his part.

 

As in my earlier reply post, he married Siluo (the concubine of Lady Huayang's choice) out of political reason. He needs to be in her good grace and needs to convince her that he is filial enough for her to adopt him. And she is Lord Anguo's primary consort and becoming her official son, means the throne is going to be his upon his father's passing. Please bear in mind, Lord Anguo has more than 20 sons and Yingren actually didn't stand a chance if not for not schemes of LBW.

 

Secondly, I know it's a bit messed up when watching historical dramas with modern perspective (Just like how difficult it was to digest marriage between siblings in K-dramas Moon Lovers and Hwarang). "I Never Let You Go" is a fusion-historical, thus they can romanticize the leads. Whereas in here, they based on real life figures. Men those days married and reproduced for various reasons. I don't believe that LBW didn't take in any concubines during that period. He may be did, but his love is for Haolan. The same goes with Yingren. This is my complaint on this drama where the writers not playing fair cards on the love interests. In order to elevate the other's love, another one has to be downgraded (The same happened in Yanxi where Fuheng was portrayed as a virgin until he died whereas Qianlong bedding many women).

 

Also, it is impossible for Yingren to visit Haolan in Zhao. Please remember, in Zhao, he is a hostage prince. LBW made several attempts to get him out of Zhao and return to Qin and that also, he barely escaped Zhao. The plan was to get Yingren out of Zhao first and then only retrieve Haolan and his son. Just that in comparison, the effort to get Haolan and son to Qin came more from LBW even when Yingren is in better power position in Qin. 

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My fellow Buwei- Haolan shippers :bawling: sooo good to see some of us still there!! Yes Lu Buwei has been hard on poor HL's heart but I think he has redeemed himself more than one instance. He never hid who he is and his intentions, and though ambition and pursuits of wealth/power are all that's on his mind, instinctively Hao Lan has become his true weakness and he knows. 

 

Seeing the other layer of Yiren come out in Qin is surprising but not shocking. Personally it adds more intrigue to the character, otherwise he'd just be another mild tempered intelligent scholar type. Even as a BW-HL shipper, his

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early sweet as honey married life in Zhao, was probably one of my most favorite parts of this drama so far. And just oh so wholesome. If it were up to Hao Lan, she would choose that kind of simple happy life for rest of her days. Though she understood Yiren's actions in Qin, she couldn't fully accept it. But what Yiren thinks is her being mad at him, her distance is just a tool to keep him interested. As HL had witnessed or lived and learned, there is no certainty with love. 

 

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Hi all.

 

Glad to find this new safe heaven. 

 

My interest on this drama stemming from the hangover of Yanxi palace where my fave CP is Qianlong and Yingluo. Their chemistry in Yanxi is just so lit and I am happy that the demonstrated the same level of amazing chemistry. Thus, this naturally make me a Bu Wei x Hao Lan shipper. 

 

Watching up to the latest episode... I may say that I am jumping ship now. I am currently shipping LBW with Bailing Er. She is so adorable and despite how childish she is, she really provides a good shoulder for him and I hope LBW will appreciate her. 

 

I also hope LBW will be done with HL. There's no point chasing a woman whom is happily married and she has made it clear to him that she wants to become an empress. It breaks my heart how she wants to discard him when he has been a great force behind her rise, despite that his initial intention was to simply exploit her. He has paid his debt to her - whatever his manipulation already offset by her betrayal by marrying YR. 

 

LBW should just focus on his ambition and create a happy personal life with Bailing Er. 

 

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6 hours ago, danielassny said:

 

 

LBW should just focus on his ambition and create a happy personal life with Bailing Er. 

 

 

It's interesting that you should say that... I was watching/re-watching... was it 29 or 30 last night and wondered if Bailing Er would become a romantic interest for LBW down the line. Haha... I loved how he gave her a good spanking until she admitted that she was wrong. And then like a normal kid who has been properly disciplined, she became intrigued. The shrew's been tamed. ;)

The notion that he might end up with her would be weird and wonderful.

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9 hours ago, 40somethingahjumma said:

 

It's interesting that you should say that... I was watching/re-watching... was it 29 or 30 last night and wondered if Bailing Er would become a romantic interest for LBW down the line. Haha... I loved how he gave her a good spanking until she admitted that she was wrong. And then like a normal kid who has been properly disciplined, she became intrigued. The shrew's been tamed. ;)

The notion that he might end up with her would be weird and wonderful.

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Yes. She is persistent to chase LBW though LBW never returned het feeling. They got married later. Bailing presented herself in front of Lord Angou (nudged by Princess Ya) and requested to be married to LBW. LBW tried to object but Yingren also persuade Lord Angou. So, Lord Angou bestowed the marriage to LBW with Bailing. And another woman who suffered of one sided love. Whatever she do, LBW never fall for her. It is sad because LBW didn't appreciate her love. But then, it is also not fully LBW's fault. He never entertained her feeling. And she was the one who force for the marriage. In the end, she herself who fell into sadness because LBW will never love her.

 

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Lol. Now they bring up the paternity of Yingzheng but Xiaochun proven that the child belongs to Yingren. Idk but i read some discussions on weibo that the child was of pre-mature birth. So, again....  that child's paternity becomes the subject of argument. 

 

LBW kinda detests Bailing Er but she is persistent. He doesn't t treat her well but I hope he will come to appreciate her eventually. Situ Que actually likes Bailing Er, too bad she is married to his master. 

 

@kyoko22 Yingren has a hand at marrying LBW to Bailing Er. Even after all those years, he still feel challenged by his presence in Haolan's life. LBW initially keeps a distance from Haolan when she first arrived in Qin. That is until he got pissed off by Yingren's scheming his marriage and drunkenly confessed his love for Haolan. The reunion scene between them after not meeting for 8years and the drunken scene really broke my heart. 

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1 hour ago, danielassny said:

Lol. Now they bring up the paternity of Yingzheng but Xiaochun proven that the child belongs to Yingren. Idk but i read some discussions on weibo that the child was of pre-mature birth. So, again....  that child's paternity becomes the subject of argument. 

 

LBW kinda detests Bailing Er but she is persistent. He doesn't t treat her well but I hope he will come to appreciate her eventually. Situ Que actually likes Bailing Er, too bad she is married to his master. 

 

@kyoko22 Yingren has a hand at marrying LBW to Bailing Er. Even after all those years, he still feel challenged by his presence in Haolan's life. LBW initially keeps a distance from Haolan when she first arrived in Qin. That is until he got pissed off by Yingren's scheming his marriage and drunkenly confessed his love for Haolan. The reunion scene between them after not meeting for 8years and the drunken scene really broke my heart. 

Yes, Zheng Er borned two months early. I guess the writer try to bring the question of the father's real identity since that is one if the real mistery until now. But on LBW-HL weibo group shipper, they are more bothered whether both of them slept together or not in ep 25:tounge_xd:

During the confession scene, he must be so pissed of to drink that much. Though i still wonder how he can get to the inner palace (HL's palace) without any detection from the servants.

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Yes. She is persistent to chase LBW though LBW never returned het feeling. They got married later. Bailing presented herself in front of Lord Angou (nudged by Princess Ya) and requested to be married to LBW. LBW tried to object but Yingren also persuade Lord Angou. So, Lord Angou bestowed the marriage to LBW with Bailing. And another woman who suffered of one sided love. Whatever she do, LBW never fall for her. It is sad because LBW didn't appreciate her love. But then, it is also not fully LBW's fault. He never entertained her feeling. And she was the one who force for the marriage. In the end, she herself who fell into sadness because LBW will never love her.

 

 

2 hours ago, danielassny said:

Lol. Now they bring up the paternity of Yingzheng but Xiaochun proven that the child belongs to Yingren. Idk but i read some discussions on weibo that the child was of pre-mature birth. So, again....  that child's paternity becomes the subject of argument. 

 

LBW kinda detests Bailing Er but she is persistent. He doesn't t treat her well but I hope he will come to appreciate her eventually. Situ Que actually likes Bailing Er, too bad she is married to his master. 

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@kyoko22 Yingren has a hand at marrying LBW to Bailing Er. Even after all those years, he still feel challenged by his presence in Haolan's life. LBW initially keeps a distance from Haolan when she first arrived in Qin. That is until he got pissed off by Yingren's scheming his marriage and drunkenly confessed his love for Haolan. The reunion scene between them after not meeting for 8years and the drunken scene really broke my heart. 

 

 

 

Sounds like a bit of a mess ;) But definitely not inconsistent with the rest of this show. :D

I feel a little sorry that LBW is saddled with someone he doesn't love and he had very little say in his nuptials. It is also true that the lady in question is a lot younger and probably not exactly a meeting of minds. But there's a part of me... the sadistic side... that takes a bit of pleasure knowing that the master manipulator can be outmaneuvered some of the time. ;)

I don't dislike LBW at all actually. He scheming and plotting are a lot of fun to watch. And sometimes you need someone who will do what it takes, and get their hands dirty. However, it doesn't naturally follow that I should/feel obligated to root for him and HL His manipulative tendencies have nothing to do with why I'm not onboard that ship. 

 

Anyway, I'm really enjoying this show and watching various characters show their darker... and human sides. Not a Disney Romance that's for sure. ;)

Moreover, I'm so happy to have discovered Mao Zijun who plays Yi Ren.

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@kyoko22 ZhengEr is also kind of fond of LBW lol. However, I doubt that he is LBW's son. Because if he is, LBW won't look so surprised when HL told him of her pregnancy and with that child born prematurely, he could have suspected that the child is his IF he indeed did slept with Haolan. So I am guessing that they didn't sleep together that night.

 

@40somethingahjumma Agree. LBW is not everyone's cup of tea. But guess because my job requires me to be ruthless and as my boss used to lecture us, "He prefers a bad person who can get the job done than a good one who could barely do much". Maybe that's why I am inclined to LBW. Personally, I don't really like Haolan. There's something about her I couldn't exactly point a finger at on why I couldn't really side her. She is as manipulative as LBW just that she failed to see it herself. At least LBW admitted to his shrewdness than Haolan always acting noble. My reason of shipping her with LBW is because of the insane chemistry that Wu Jinyan has with Nie Yuan and personally, I really am impressed by Nie Yuan both in Yanxi and in here. He is the one who kept me glued. 

 

 

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7 hours ago, danielassny said:

 

@40somethingahjumma Agree. LBW is not everyone's cup of tea. But guess because my job requires me to be ruthless and as my boss used to lecture us, "He prefers a bad person who can get the job done than a good one who could barely do much". Maybe that's why I am inclined to LBW. Personally, I don't really like Haolan. There's something about her I couldn't exactly point a finger at on why I couldn't really side her. She is as manipulative as LBW just that she failed to see it herself. At least LBW admitted to his shrewdness than Haolan always acting noble. My reason of shipping her with LBW is because of the insane chemistry that Wu Jinyan has with Nie Yuan and personally, I really am impressed by Nie Yuan both in Yanxi and in here. He is the one who kept me glued. 

 

 

Nie Yuan has developed into quite a reliable performer these days... highly experienced. I still consider his iteration of Zhao Yun my favourite. He is well suited to the role of LBW, capturing all the nuances of that character. I haven't seen Yanxi because on principle I cannot stomach Qing dynasty dramas. ;)

As for his chemistry with WJY...  in Haolan at least... Well, I have a very different take on it. ;) 

 

I think some degree of ruthlessness is required in life especially with regards to truth-telling but I think Haolan's objections are largely on how he applies it. I think she's fine when it benefits her but when it doesn't... hell hath known no fury... :P

As for Haolan I am mostly sympathetic to her cause because she's trying to navigate through some dark waters in an environment where life is cheap. I think if she had been left well alone at various points in her life to enjoy what little happiness has been granted her, she wouldn't have had to play the game to such a high level. While I can see that she and LBW love each other in their own dysfunctional way, in some ways they are rather probably too much alike. 

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