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[Current Mainland WebDrama 2019] The Legend of Hao Lan / Beauty Hao Lan 皓镧传

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@joy joy 1 Please be respectful of others and keep the discussion here in peace. There's no one spreading lies here. Each and every one of us is entitled to our own opinion and all depends on one's understanding and interpretation.

 

@kyoko22 From the moment HL was stolen instead of given away, it's already veered away from history. Due to the popularity of Yanxi and ofc the couple of NY-WJY, a happy ending could be expected. But I am sorry that I am signing out of this drama now despite only having 3eps left to go. This show is too dissapointing and for the sake of preserving whatever that are good and the merits from Yanxi as well as QL-WYL couple, I decided to stop watching. 

 

@danielassny I pretty much agree with most of your points. Thanks for wording them better than I think I ever could. I will just settle for SKY Castle, The Fiery Priest and Romance Is A Bonus Book for now. 

 

Peace out. 

 

 

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Just finished Episode 50! Will catch up with you all :) Thanks for your patience.

 

Can we continue to discuss QiongHua vs. Princess Ya?

 

1) A memorable thing about QiongHua is her singing. When Zhao and Qin were in a state of war (Ep 26/27?), she would sing at night. One time XiaoChun commented on her singing (while HL was admiring QiongHua's singing) that she --a princess from Han--was the only person in Zhao who could sing when Qin/Zhao engaged in war. QiongHuang understood that, as a princess, she had to be gifted to the King of Zhao as a peace gesture. And, QiongHua remained a patriot in her own way!  Another element of her singing was that her song was sweet but melancholy and, before she died, she explained to HaoLan that she missed her home/Han and brother (= foreshadowing her brother's character in Episode 50).

 

2) Another memorable thing about QiongHua was her comment to HaoLan: (just to paraphrase) "I would rather be a wildflower found in the mountains than become a peony in the palace garden." She was a free spirit.

 

3) In comparison, Princess Ya has/had no sense of her duty to Zhao and its citizens!

The Queen of Zhao warned her really early on that the marriage of a princess is a matter of the state (and not of personal preference alone). HaoLan fiercely criticized her at some point earlier also...(right? episode?) Who else?

 

4) To pursue "her so-called love for YR", princess Ya actually gave up everything (country, family, birth rights, etc) including her own sense of self. And eventually her emotions drove her to such an intense level of hatred that it probably became insanity....

 

From what happened in Episode 50, she can't possibly have a good ending...[Will she ever get punished for stealing someone else's life and identity to come to enter Qin?]

 

 

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@SailBeneteau agree with your observations especially about Han Qionghua, I think she has one of the most pleasantly memorable scenes in the drama. As for Princess Ya, she is a lost cause. I feel like she might be unhinged. She is so mentally deranged that she cannot see how toxic her one sided “love” for YR is, despite numerous instances where she has suffered the consequences, where she should have learned her lesson. Everyone else tried to reason with her, she has been giving many chances, but she sacrificed everything precious to her (her country, her family, her dignity, her morals, her self) for the sake of something she knows damn well will never come true. 

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@danielassny You clearly said: "LBW with how he schemed his way to the top and even assisted in installing an impossible king could just be crushed because of this silly kindergarten level writings" 

 

He didn't scheme for power to be a tyrant over the commoners he did it for self protection didn't you watch where his life was from and how his father and grandfather couldn't save him or be saved from death even though they were wrongly accused by more powerful officials despite having a lot of wealth they couldn't buy their safety. Power to use for good is different from power to use for bad. There's a reason benevolent leaders are looked upon and tyrants are not. LBW wanted power to self protect his family himself included that's not a sin. You suffer from a self righteous attitude. How do you even put LBW in the same category as those who crave power and did so by massacring innocents? Pick and choose your critiques wisely or else I will react unkindly towards your opinions because your opinions doesn't make any moral sense   

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@lyserose  I didn't reply to you. And someone's "opinions" deserve to be called out if they don't make any sense. To equate LBW obtaining power as a means to live and self preservation as the same level of people who murder innocents or massacre millions to gain power is actually morally unethical and it's a lie to me. There's nothing you can say that will change my mind. There's no logic you can say to argue other than "opinions vary." There are wrong opinions just like people who think the earth is flat are wrong. Bye now 

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On 2/18/2019 at 10:25 AM, ForgottenSoulx said:

 

I mean that is a mix of history and fiction from what i know? instead of exiled LBW is killed right ?? but HL does not get killed , not much of a difference really. Wont he question who his father is based on knowing about this affair? 

 

I could still think its following that route and would end up there. 

 

 

I was really hoping they wouldn't kill LBW. Since YR died and now LBW dies too. Very tragic like all historical dramas are. They all end in tragedy. 

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8 hours ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

 

pretty sure unless i read the wrong history. 

 

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n 235 BC, after being implicated in a scandal involving the Queen Dowager Zhao (Ying Zheng's mother) and her illicit lover Lao Ai, Lü Buwei was stripped of his posts and titles and was banished to the remote Shu region in the south of Qin. While in exile, Lü Buwei committed suicide by consuming poison. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lü_Buwei

 

 

thanks for the link. omg everyone dies this is so sad 

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@joy joy 1 It's because you interpreted it wrongly. LBW schemed his way from a lowly merchant at Zhao to the man who holds the highest power in Qin after the King. He did installed an impossible king. I never said or implied that he abused power or whatever richard simmons you accused me off. When I mentioned he schemed his way, I was referring to how he planned and manipulated every chances and getting rid of every obstacles to get to where he is. And please read carefully before you go calling out on other's opinion... I was angry with the writings that basically crushed all the merits of LBW when they made him climbed onto Haolan's bed after she became a widowed queen. He would automatically be branded as disrespectful, a sexual harrasser and so on and that all the goods that he did would be wiped out because of this indecent portrayal due to silly writers who think that involuntary skinship is cute and romantic and milking too much from existing fondness of this Yanxi couple. So tell me, which part you don't understand?

 

@lyserose Thanks sis. Some people just couldn't grasp the point and went mad unnecessarily. Understand your leaving (I should have done so long time ago) but hope to see you again in another drama forum. I'm watching Romance Supplement too but don't feel there's anything to discuss about it. Try "Haechi", it's promising. 

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5 hours ago, therewillbeddl said:

@SailBeneteau agree with your observations especially about Han Qionghua, I think she has one of the most pleasantly memorable scenes in the drama. As for Princess Ya, she is a lost cause. I feel like she might be unhinged. She is so mentally deranged that she cannot see how toxic her one sided “love” for YR is, despite numerous instances where she has suffered the consequences, where she should have learned her lesson. Everyone else tried to reason with her, she has been giving many chances, but she sacrificed everything precious to her (her country, her family, her dignity, her morals, her self) for the sake of something she knows damn well will never come true. 

 

@therewillbeddl

 

interesting recollection:

QiongHua laughingly said that "Princess Ya became insane b/c of her love".

Do you remember the scene? Episode?

 

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It is good to see some historically revelant scenes regarding Qin's territorial expansion plans and ministers' debates! 

 

What's with General Bai?  My pulse stopped for XiaoChun when prince Yi of Zhao died in her arms.

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Oh my god. I watched the snippets of the finale on weibo. Goodness, it is terrible. The Qin Shi Huang is portrayed as a lunatic tyrant and violent young king (idk where's his resemblance with either YR or LBW or even HL), Lao Ai, a mere guard can simply desecrated the Dowager's plants just because he is angry of her and the two infamous illegitimate children in history are actually adopted by HL. And HL just dissappeared like that and that's it? The story seems to serve no purpose after Yingren's death. It's like watching a totally different drama. While Yingren was given complexity and perfect conclusion to his char, the rest are just redundant. LBW? Xiaochun? Already they whitewashed Zhao Ji (understandable) and then veered so far away from history but I didn't expect it would be this bad. Read that the ending was so rushed and that 63eps were cut down to 62eps. *Headdesk* Should have expected this from a Yu Zheng's drama. Yanxi was just a lucky fluke from him. I am going to watch the full eps of the finale to have some good laugh. 

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@SailBeneteau yes, ep 29 I think? When Zhao lost in the Changping battle and decided to execute YR as revenge.

 

@danielassny I had been looking forward to Ying Zheng’s portrayal but this is disappointing. Not sure if it’s the actor (the younger one was SO much better) or more the writing, but he is so awkward, I’m actually embarrassed for the historical Qin

Shihuang.

 

After Zhao Ji was imprisoned, many officials were killed by Qin Shihuang for begging to release her. One last person tried and succeeded by mentioning filial piety being an essential criteria to rule a unified country in the eyes of the public. They tried to insert this major event in a scene in the drama but it was poorly executed because of how Qin Shihuang was written there. 

The ending was bizarre, it was going nowhere for everyone else after YR’s death but YR’s character was well portrayed as a whole so at least there’s that. 

 

This drama had so much potential given the time period with 3 interesting characters that shaped the Qin empire, but the potential was not met. However, there were plenty of scenes that I found enjoyable and made this redeemable imo. 

 

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1 hour ago, therewillbeddl said:

@SailBeneteau yes, ep 29 I think? When Zhao lost in the Changping battle and decided to execute YR as revenge.

 

@danielassny I had been looking forward to Ying Zheng’s portrayal but this is disappointing. Not sure if it’s the actor (the younger one was SO much better) or more the writing, but he is so awkward, I’m actually embarrassed for the historical Qin

Shihuang.

 

After Zhao Ji was imprisoned, many officials were killed by Qin Shihuang for begging to release her. One last person tried and succeeded by mentioning filial piety being an essential criteria to rule a unified country in the eyes of the public. They tried to insert this major event in a scene in the drama but it was poorly executed because of how Qin Shihuang was written there. 

The ending was bizarre, it was going nowhere for everyone else after YR’s death but YR’s character was well portrayed as a whole so at least there’s that. 

 

This drama had so much potential given the time period with 3 interesting characters that shaped the Qin empire, but the potential was not met. However, there were plenty of scenes that I found enjoyable and made this redeemable imo. 

 

 

@therewillbeddl

 

Did you enjoy watching the historical aspects (such as the Changping battle, Qin's expansion plans, etc)? 

 

Although I haven't gotten past Episode 52 yet, the older Zheng'er has already replaced the "little one" (Agreed! The little Zheng'er was portrayed quite well.)

 

You guys are making me think that this drama without YR's character and story line falls apart.....Not too surprised perhaps. In a way, HL's voice was stronger in the first part of the story (Zhao) and, for the 2nd part of the story (including the 8yrs in hiding), there is something "missing" about Hao Lan....

 

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13 hours ago, therewillbeddl said:

The ending was bizarre, it was going nowhere for everyone else after YR’s death but YR’s character was well portrayed as a whole so at least there’s that. 

Bizarre indeed. The drama is called "The Legend of Haolan" not legend of Yingren, yet her char just vanished into thin air. Other than Bai Zhong delivering her last message for her son to understand her intention, we don't know what kind of conclusion there is for her. Same goes with LBW. No proper closure to his char. These two main chars were given the journeys but not the closures. 

 

While Qin Shi Huang maybe known as a tyrant, he was an able ruler and a great military strategist. In here, he was portrayed as simply a brat with anger management issue and inclination for violence. The actors who played him and Lao Ai went OTT, I cringed watching their scenes.

 

A lot of scenes didn't make the final cut along with the boating scene which they weirdly released in the BTS. The CP fans are crying foul at weibo. Lol. All and all, the drama is a hot mess. *sigh* 

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It was hard to sleep after finishing this drama. And when I woke up, I was still having trouble digesting the ending of this damned drama. Everything was so rushed, left hanging, unresolved. 

 

It’s not that I wanted a happy ending, but at least show some logic to the resolutions of each character. Where the heck was Hao Lan, did she elope, why didn’t she come out, was she sick, was she dead? Xiao Chun? Hua Yang? Dan? The evil Eunuch?

 

The acting skills of the three younger guys - Ying Zheng, Dan, Lao Ai - were terrible. It’s like their neck had a problem. And the expressions were unbearably psycho, not even the slightest feel of nobility, intelligence or reason. The entire time Yi Ren/Zi Chu was on screen, you can feel his aura of a royal, whether he was in Zhao or in Qin. Other than the pretty clothes the three boys wore to look the part, not an inch of them hinted at royalty.

 

Damn. I had hope during the last third of the drama. I’m disappointed. Gonna continue to lose sleep over this damned ending.

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Oh...towards the end of this show, I still couldn't figure out why HL resented LBW so much? While she may has concern over her son's power as the true king of Qin and LBW's carving for power, I still feel that her resentment is too much. She even made a play with Lao Ai just to aggrieved LBW, even when she knows he always and still loves her and no matter how manipulative he is, he is always concern over her well-being. With the boating scene being cut out, her final reaction upon seeing the pearl that LBW left for her is more of a reaction of a woman feeling happily accomplished that LBW finally vanished from her life and stripped off everything. In the end, I agree that the boat scene doesn't need to make in into the final cut. I don't think that HL ever loved LBW at all. She isn't worth his love either. 

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Some ppl say the boat scene is likely HL trying to assassinate him. 

 

@SailBeneteau This show is first and foremost a drama, so I didn’t expect it to be historically focused, but aside from HL’s whitewashing, I think the historical aspects were done decently well, at least the most important parts. For example, the dialogues between LBW and YR when they first met and when LBW tried to explain to his father why he wanted to help YR become king actually happened and made an impact in history after Qin. Also the ongoing Zhao-Qin tensions and battles

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3 hours ago, danielassny said:

. In the end, I agree that the boat scene doesn't need to make in into the final cut. I don't think that HL ever loved LBW at all. She isn't worth his love either. 

 

@danielassny 

 

Though I haven't reached the end-Episodes yet, I can't help but feel that HL isn't worthy of either YR or LBW...It is such a strange feeling towards the main female lead of the story...Something is missing about HL. 

 

This drama's name/title is misleading...As an audience member, I think that the separate but intertwined stories of LBW's  and YR's outweigh HL's and the two men drive the story. Thus, after YR's death, the story falls apart...

 

@therewillbeddl

 

Yes, we agree on the important historical aspects (you described below).

 

2 hours ago, therewillbeddl said:

I think the historical aspects were done decently well, at least the most important parts. For example, the dialogues between LBW and YR when they first met and when LBW tried to explain to his father why he wanted to help YR become king actually happened and made an impact in history after Qin. Also the ongoing Zhao-Qin tensions and battles

 

 

 

 

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