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[Drama 2019] Haechi, 해치

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1 hour ago, 12blbl said:

Very confusing, i’m shipping YJ with YN, but i also shipping her with MS :sweatingbullets:

 

IKR?

Being with MS will be some happily ever after for us because nobody dies.

Being with YN? I thought we are all preparing to cry a river for this doomed relationship? :sweatingbullets:

 

But honestly, I doubt there will be a love triangle.

Even if MS is to eventually fall in love with YJ, if he understands that YJ and YN are in love... he will not come between them or make his feelings known.

He will most probably be the silent admirer / protector for YJ.

 

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Maybe a frustrating scene for some but I can see the reality of it. I mean... how do you go about it? Would one be easily willing to rat out a peasant girl sold as a slave? Murder is wrong but the situation's a bit more complex than him being able to say "yeah, it wasn't me, it was this slave girl, she even has a tattoo/branding for a crime of murdering her master. How dare she, right?", with her being only 12-13. And moral dilemma aside, there was a ton of chaos over that same kind of event(with the slaves' organization) in the former king's reign, as yi geum mentions. 

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And when they realized the other murders were all committed by children...damn. The scene where the girl was confessing to yi geum was the best. And kwon yul's scene at the end! His lines are the best. 

Yi geum's desire to understand the [common] people was wonderfully portrayed here. And omg, that girl with minister min(kidnapped?)! 

 

Anyways. The BGM(seriously, A+ to the music PD), the tension in this series is so great. 

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4 hours ago, spark101 said:

Maybe a frustrating scene for some but I can see the reality of it. I mean... how do you go about it? Would one be easily willing to rat out a peasant girl sold as a slave? Murder is wrong but the situation's a bit more complex than him being able to say "yeah, it wasn't me, it was this slave girl, she even has a tattoo/branding for a crime of murdering her master. How dare she, right?", with her being only 12-13. And moral dilemma aside, there was a ton of chaos over that same kind of event(with the slaves' organization) in the former king's reign, as yi geum mentions. 

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And when they realized the other murders were all committed by children...damn. The scene where the girl was confessing to yi geum was the best. And kwon yul's scene at the end! His lines are the best. 

Yi geum's desire to understand the [common] people was wonderfully portrayed here. And omg, that girl with minister min(kidnapped?)! 

 

Anyways. The BGM(seriously, A+ to the music PD), the tension in this series is so great. 

 

I agree about the moral dilemma here. YG is smart  and logical; however, he is not emotionless. He knows well that murder is wrong and the girl should be punished. Yet, he also remembers how the gvt can abuse their power and treat people like dirt.

 

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it was a wonderful scene. it captures YG's emotion and desire to be a good king so well

 

It s also impressive that how MS, YJ, and YG are still believe in government institutes like Saheonbu, just not the people who run them.

 

 

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Ratings: 6.1, 7.2. I feel personally wronged that this masterpiece is not getting higher ratings. Hopefully people eventually see the light. :D

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OK, when I watched preview again and again, I knew that the hug was not romantic as I expected because of YJ expression. I thought that YN took this opportunity to tell her something. But when I watch the episode, why do I still think that it's an emotional hug in some way? Hahaha, poor a YeoYeo couple fan like me :). Now not only DM, and then the former Minister of Personnel (I forgot his new position), but also everyone knows that YN likes YJ :) Of course not in the proper way.

Oh now it's more interesting. I feel that this week will be much longer as usual. How can I get out of this obsession? I may find some dramas to fill my emptiness this week :(

 

 

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thank you for history infos as always @gerrytan8063 B) It make our watching more interesting

 

@star2010 @bebebisous33 well, thanks guys, that's a relief. I ship their "brotherhood" so much. :sweatingbullets::wub:I'm also for YeoYeo couple all the way @lightbringer06 though I'm getting myself ready for a heartbreak in the end. I just thought also, if ever YJ didn't end up with YG, they'll live apart and YJ will continue her duty, and there MS will enter, because YG will rely on him to look after YJ. Whether MS and YJ will remain as siblings, that is the path that I can foresee. And no deaths please... 

 

14 hours ago, star2010 said:

 

I m tired of Go Ara's character falling in love with her fake brother. So, please no more of the same old story.

yes. I agree. But seems either way it's happening...  with Yeoning. He is also like a brother to her,  but also there are hints she is starting to feel attraction.  But not to MS. She remains caring for him as a brother figure. 

 

There is one thing I always like about Go Ara's drama when it comes to love story: her character stays loyal to her first love. 

 

Leaving the topic about romance, which is a sub topic for this drama, thank goodness the latest episodes are giving us tidbits of YJ's backstory. 

 

Do you think she is related with yeon young and Dal moon? 

 

I also can't wait how our crown prince will be able to save those children and himself - and that part when he says, no side/place is in favor of him. Our poor prince... 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3 hours ago, oceluna said:

OK, when I watched preview again and again, I knew that the hug was not romantic as I expected because of YJ expression. I thought that YN took this opportunity to tell her something. But when I watch the episode, why do I still think that it's an emotional hug in some way? Hahaha, poor a YeoYeo couple fan like me :). Now not only DM, and then the former Minister of Personnel (I forgot his new position), but also everyone knows that YN likes YJ :) Of course not in the proper way.

Oh now it's more interesting. I feel that this week will be much longer as usual. How can I get out of this obsession? I may find some dramas to fill my emptiness this week :(

 

 

The YeoYeo couple, why are you making us feel like this?! :D:wub:

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@yoo1 yeah, I feel the same. May be her father investigated the same case in the late King times. And may be that's why he was killed. It may relate to little DM and YY as well. I hope through this case, we will know more details of YJ and DM backgrounds.

 

Ah any news about Ara, dear chingus? I'm afraid that we will not see much screentime of her in some next episodes. Hope she recover well and back to drama. I miss her already.

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5 hours ago, oceluna said:

OK, when I watched preview again and again, I knew that the hug was not romantic as I expected because of YJ expression. I thought that YN took this opportunity to tell her something. But when I watch the episode, why do I still think that it's an emotional hug in some way? Hahaha, poor a YeoYeo couple fan like me :). Now not only DM, and then the former Minister of Personnel (I forgot his new position), but also everyone knows that YN likes YJ :) Of course not in the proper way.

Oh now it's more interesting. I feel that this week will be much longer as usual. How can I get out of this obsession? I may find some dramas to fill my emptiness this week :(

 

 

Yes, it was not that romantic if you first see it but I thought it was emotional too at the same time because he was crying when he saw them hurt again, MS's hurt arm, YJ's hand still bleeding and her saying to him it's just merely scratches. So I think that's why he hugged her, but also taking the chance to tell her about what he knows. Still, that was a bold move from his part being the crown prince and all, in front of so many officials, to hug her like that. So as you say, yeah, it's an indirect way of saying to them he likes her :wub:.

 

Try to watch other dramas to distract yourself, that's my plan cause I've been obsessed with this as well..ha ha. I will try and start this Cdrama Goodbye My Princess.

 

@yoo1 I know! There's no escaping the YeoYeo couple now :P...aigoo...

 

@spark101 Looks like the other rival dramas have been taking some of the ratings..

 

 

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Yeah I want to watch right now.. Popcorn please... :wub:

 

 

 

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Although the drama is said "Based on historical events, reconstruction & casting liberties are taken for entertainment purpose"

 

History lesson

 

Age Gap

 

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Queen Dowager Inwon (1687-1757) 

 

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Yi Yun aka Gyeongjong (1688-1724)

 

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Yi Geum aka Yeongjo (1694-1776)

 

Queen Dowager Inwon, Sukjong 3rd Queen is 7 years older than Yeongjo & a year older than Gyeongjong. In 1702, Queen Inwon married Sukjong when she was 15 & Sukjong then was already 42. In 1703, Queen Inwon adopted Gyeongjong & Yeongjo as her sons

 

Queen Inwon support Yeongjo out of gratitude as in 1711, she came down with smallpox & Yeongjo's mother Royal Noble Consort Sukbin (maybe she already had smallpox immunity) stay at her side to nurse her with common folk remedies & survives.

 

Even political wise, if I was Queen Inwon, I will put my bet on Yeongjo for my longevity of my Queenship. Gyeongjong was of ill health & said to suffer sterility (in Dong Yi, he was said to had Mumps & consequences was sterility). Others rumour is that when his mother Jang Ok Jung was sentence to death, she use him as a shield & in the process injured his chance for posterity.

 

Earlier in the drama, Crown Prince is support by Namin Faction which supported Jang Hee Bin, his mother, but lost political dominance after she was deposed as Queen but retain her Consortship 

 

Political Parties 

 

During the reign of Sukjong, Namin & Seoin were the political faction that tussle for political dominance which end up in bloody purges or change of governance with death & exiles. It is of no help when Sukjong shift political alliance as his whims chose by playing one side to another. Min Jin Heon hated him for that. Queen Inhyeon, Sukjong 2nd Queen & Min Jin Heon's sister & later Queen Inwon were from the Seoin faction & maintain political dominance 

 

Later in Sukjong reign, in 1683, the Seoin faction split what is in the drama Noron & Soron factions (this is why they are still cordial to one another). Namin faction disappear into the woodwork.

 

When Gyeongjong ascended the throne, he was supported by Soron. When Yeongjo ascended the throne with Noron support but Yeongjo was always wary on Noron dominance in Court & try bring a balance with Soron in governance. Yeongjo exercise a policy of impartiality

 

In Yi In Jwa Revolt of 1728, which lasted 4 days, that place Prince Milpunggun as King, it was the Soron who suppress the revolt, although Yi In Jwa was said to be from a "rogue" Soron faction. Yeongjo entrust the moderate Soron especially Yi Gwang Jwa (Im Ho) to suppress the revolt, not to render benefit to the Noron

 

But feuding factions don't learn their lesson, Soron decides to support on Crown Prince Sado which we know ends up in disaster

 

Namin makes a political comeback under the reign of Jeongjo when Jeongjo tutor & Crown Prince Sado friend later Prime Minister Chae Je Gong was from the Namin faction

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EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS~~~

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"It might be because of the peasant blood flowing through my veins. What caused her such pain? What made her hold that knife? Before accusing them of their crime, I wanted to find that out first."

 

I was actually crying when YN said those words because this is very true in this world we live in of why people commit something, before condemning them, we should first understand the very root cause of it (sorry am just too emotional while writing this because of what's happening around me :D). But at the same time, we shouldn't turn a blind eye.

The case in this episode is really complicated. And I agree that the decision YN made isn't an easy one, since there's a big consequence attached to it. Now, people are taking advantage of this situation and ganging up against him. As of now, there aren't any established ally that supports YN directly except YJ, MS, DM and the two guys (sorry forgot their names again). And also Inspector Yoon.

 

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I am glad that the King is on YN's side, tho. Like when he said from the previous episode, "That's why I can't trust the Crown Prince's ambitions. But he at least deserves a chance. Shouldn't he at least get a chance?" He actually listens to what YN says. A good king knows how to listen.

 

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Glad to see YN's smile and jokes around in this serious episode...

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And both of them smiling...just warms my heart^^...

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I always love Moon Soo's scene..ha ha..yeah, tell him, Moon Soo. Bark like a dog!

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I always admire YN's compassion, this is one of his great traits and strengths, but it could be his weakness all together down the road.

I was expecting to see more of Yoon Young and DM's past because of the case in this episode, but I didn't. Hope we'll get there soon. Yeoji's as well. Because up until now, we still have no idea of their background story.

 

Now, I wonder how our gang is gonna turn the tables in the next episode. Not sure if YN will actually be dethroned.

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On 3/13/2019 at 1:55 PM, oceluna said:

Ah any news about Ara, dear chingus? I'm afraid that we will not see much screentime of her in some next episodes. Hope she recover well and back to drama. I miss her already.

Heard Ara's coming back! :heart: I hope she's really ok

 

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1 hour ago, yoo1 said:

Heard Ara's coming back! :heart: I hope she's really ok

 

Really? Where did you heard it from?...am so happy..I really need some good news now..it's been upsetting day for me ^_^

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@yoo1 so so happy to hear that. Thanks for the news chingu. 

@lightbringer06 thanks for your highlights. I love all the gifs you posted, especially yeoyeo couple moments. Their smiles while they are standing face to face like a breeze in an intense summer day :). And chingu, whatever makes you upset today, hope you alright. Cheer up!!!

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@yoo1 Oh, thank you so much, chingu! I'm glad she can start taping again, hope she's recovered and all. But is newsen a reliable source, btw? Just curious^^.

 

@oceluna I am glad to know you love the gifs, I want to capture the beautiful moments so I always share it :D.

 

Thank you to the both of you, chingu-deuls, I needed that cheer!^^..coming here to read comments is one of the things that provides me such relief :kiss_wink:.

 

 

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@lightbringer06 @oceluna you're welcome.... happy to share, chingus! :)

 

I believe newsen is a legit news site, since it is used as source for many platforms and blogs like soompi. But wondering the news still not spreading. btw, I'm positive Go Ara is recovering and will be coming back. :heart:

 

Back to Haechi... what Minister Min had done?! Now this proves he is truly very dangerous, knowing he is in lower position than before. Can't wait for the next episodes. And hoping for more DM backstory and YJ too. 

 

Happy weekend chingus! Thank you for sharing updates and your views about this drama. 

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@yoo1 Yeah, the news isn't spreading, I've been waiting for any news about her. But am glad she'll be back. Thank you again! :D

 

Here's a new BTS :wub:...our "YeoYeo"..

 

 

Now that I'm shipping YeoYeo..I don't know if it's safe to ship Il Woo and Ara as well^^. They don't give us enough BTS of them as I wanna see them off screen. I wish this was airing in TVN :D.

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@lightbringer06 but I already ship them. :scream::wub: Thank you for sharing their bts vid... so cute! 

 

So later part of their bts, Jung IlWoo is teasing Go Ara?! :wub: He had tried to do this in Running Man, when asked who among his co-stars made his heart flutter. He answered for him it's Go Ara. But the moment was interrupted because of RM love team Ji Hyo and Jung Kook. Ara was relieved I guess. 

 

Thanks @Yongzura for sharing the article.... Thanks to soompi for the translation 

https://www.soompi.com/article/1310709wpp/watch-jung-il-woo-and-go-ara-are-playful-and-adorable-behind-the-scenes-of-haechi

 

 

Sorry guys for focusing on the yeoyeo romance. I know Haechi is not a love story but can't ignore their chemistry. 

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