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Practically spoiled myself for episode 11. Agh. Saw the end of that still @lightbringer06 and I so hope the writer and PD won't turn it into an almost-but-not-quite moment,  although knowing how these Kwriters swing,  Moon Soo is bound to interrupt that moment. :huh:

 

It's just strange that I don't see as much hype or comments in the media about this drama. Ratings aren't too low but I would've expected them to be higher,  given how Koreans are known to love their sageuks. And besides,  it's the comeback drama of Jung Il Woo who seems to be well-liked and well-respected as an actor.  

 

I do read quite a number about Go A RA's acting,  though. It seems they find something wrong with it.  I personally don't see anything much wrong with it,  although I must say that in some scenes where Jung Il Woo is showing so much intense emotion,  she can be very poker-faced. Or maybe that's how Yeo Ji's character is supposed to be.  

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@Yongzura aw. That's too bad. I'm glad she's taking a rest but with the drama more than halfway done (how many episodes do we still have to go?),  I'm afraid the development of her relationship with Jung Il Woo in the drama will be half-baked and it will just fizzle out. I'm hoping this drama will take Yeoning's story up to the point where he becomes king and a little past that so there's still some time to develop his romance with Yeo Ji even if it ends tragically.  But I don't see how they csn do that without extending the drama which from the looks of it,  is very remote. :mellow: 

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I haven't seen the latest episodes yet. Thanks for all the spoilers... 

 

btw, sad to hear Go Ara can't make it for a few episodes. At least she tried to do it. I applaud her dedication. Hope the situation doesn't make her upset.

 

I'm able to watch, maybe later this week... hope everything will be all right. 

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@akhenaten The drama is about halfway through since there will be 48 episodes total and Episode 21-22 aired last night. The article says she won't appear from Episode 27-32 so hopefully it won't be too bad.

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If it's just 3 half-hour episodes, it shouldn't be a problem. Especially since this isn't a regular miniseries like other dramas. 

 

Anyways, deep, serious plot content aside, let me fangirl over that last scene: EEEEEEEE

Yeah, I'm a sucker for (tastefully done!!) romance in sageuks, sue me. :D This is loads better than dong yi could ever aspire to be and I don't even need to be halfway through the series to conclude it. Justice for haechi's ratings! 

/endrant

 

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i cracked up when YJ told YN that she can work in the palace kitchen because she is a good cook :D

 

Though i hope for a kissue, at the moment YJ still seem very unaware of YN's feeling ( and probably unaware of how 

much she cares for him). Tonight, the show may start with MS crashing into the scene 

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Based on the preview, it looks like a kiss might have happened because the court lady and friend noticed some changes. I guess, the kiss will be more a peck because PMS is about to appear.

I was surprised how YT/MP's mistress got shocked, when she heard the name DM. So maybe she thought that DM had died due to her betrayal... and she just realized that DM was still alive and could be after her. 

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So touching episode. I really love it. Sometimes I smile, sometimes I cry. I like the way they build our characters here, especially the three mains. Besides the close link between them, their common ideal and the same path they share, they have their own fights. After 11 eps, I find that PD's arrangement is so interesting:
- When YN is at the court with JS at the first time to accused Prince MP, YJ and MS catch the witness as YN orders.
- When YN faces with his father and brother death, YJ and MS are crying for JS death.
- While YN is fighting with assasins, YJ has to fight with the dumb old man.
- When YN is at the court again for himself, YJ and MS are at the new courtesan house and face with Prince MP.
- And when YN is arrested, MS is protecting the commoners from Saheonbu soldiers.

In this ep, the scene I like most is the talk between YN and MS. Yeah, sometimes in life, you feel like you're so small and can not do what you intend to from the start. 

The kiss, uhm, I don't think it's romantic although it's not a how-a-court-lady-be lesson neither. In this scene, our YJ is still clueless and naive, and I don't know, but YN looks so sad. From now on, their relationship will be different. Perhaps, they really know that their feeling will not lead them to happiness. OK, I'm ready for that. But I hope they will be brave enough to love each other no matter what awaits them ahead. And I really like the line YJ says. "I will protect you no matter what". It's so touching. And I think YN heart can feel it.
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Episode 11

 

Min Jin Heon in this episode is now Jwauijeong (좌의정,左議政, Second State Councillor or literally left State Councillor), commonly refer/address as Jwasang (좌상 左相), it is a officialdom that immediately below Prime Minster (영의정,領議政, Yeonguijeong)

 

Jwauijeong (좌의정,左議政, Second State Councillor or literally Left State Councillor) is an officialdom of Senior 1st rank (정1품,正一品). It looks like he had been promoted from Hanseongbu (한성부 漢城府, Capital Magistracy)'s Panyun ( 판윤 判尹, officialdom Senior 2nd rank 정2품 ,正二品)

 

The introduction of Historical figure Jo Tae Gu (조태구, 趙泰耉, 1660 - 1723, played by Son Byeong Ho) who came to the capital dress in a satgat headgear & was carrying a kitten, is the leader of Soron who went to discuss alliance with Min Jin Heon. Min Jin Heon address him by his pen-name Ha Guk (하곡, 霞谷). He is consider a moderate Soron

 

In the drama his officialdom is Uuijeong (우의정 右議政, Third State Councillor or literally Right State Councillor). General address is Usang (우상 右相). It is also an officialdom of Senior 1st rank (정1품,正一品).

 

Gyeongjong orders Yeongjo to participate in Giroyeon (Banquet to honour the Elders), where in that platform, he gave his great soapbox oratory on land tax that arouse public sentiment, voice their protest on Yi Geum deposition by surrendering their identity tag (Hopae, 호패,戶牌, 號牌)

 

The custom of respecting the elderly can be traced to the necessity of their abundant leadership, and such a spirit of respect continued from the royal courts of the Three Kingdoms to Goryeo and Joseon. In particular, the Joseon Dynasty strengthened the Giro system in order to stably maintain and develop a centralizing system based on Confucianism as a governing ideology, and King Taejo instituted it as a part of a policy of respecting and serving one’s parents.


Giroso (기로소, 耆老所, Office of Elders) refers to a social bureau for civil ministers at the senior officialdom of 2nd court rank & of 70 or more years of age consulting the King and participating in important national affairs to help the King. When senior officials over 70 years entered Giroso, the King granted them jingwejang (궤장 進几杖) that comprise of a leaning chairs known as "anseok" - 案席, & a cane known as "gwejang" -  궤장,几杖 ) and held a feast, which is referred to as Giroyeon. Giroyeon was held in spring on March 3 of the lunar calendar and on Jungyangjeol (the ninth day of the ninth lunar month).

 

In this drama, Gyeongjong is seen as a fair ruler with conscience. One must remember that he was investiture as Crown Prince at the age of 2 years old in 1690 & received his statecraft education since then & was indeed groom to be King. In history Sukjong never wanted to deposed Gyeongjong as Crown Prince even the aftermath of his mother. Sukjong just want to safeguard his lineage with Yeongjo to succeed his childless brother

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2 hours ago, oceluna said:
After 11 eps, I find that PD's arrangement is so interesting:
- When YN is at the court with JS at the first time to accused Prince MP, YJ and MS catch the witness as YN orders.
- When YN faces with his father and brother death, YJ and MS are crying for JS death.
- While YN is fighting with assasins, YJ has to fight with the dumb old man.
- When YN is at the court again for himself, YJ and MS are at the new courtesan house and face with Prince MP.
- And when YN is arrested, MS is protecting the commoners from Saheonbu soldiers.

Haven't watched ep. 11 yet but I agree with you about the director. I was meaning to mention it as well but keeps forgetting..lol. I think the director likes to put two certain scenes side by side to keep the intense in those ending scenes. I thought I was the one who actually noticed that :D

 

I might agree with @bebebisous33 that a kiss might happen tonight (hope Moon Soo being there isn't just another hint it won't). As oblivious as she is, YJ needs to experience it firsthand so that she will realize it herself that she is a woman and being a court lady isn't just as simply as she thinks it is (I don't even know what a court lady means to her^^). Because in the preview, A-Bong's voice (I think) said, "If a man 'does" that to a woman, it means one thing". We need the romance to be moving as well esp. on JY's part and her self-awareness of the matter is the first step. Now that we won't be seeing her for 3 eps, the writer needs to do some major twist to fill her absence.

 

@hahanzyy Yes! We all know she ain't a good cook :tounge_xd:. Someone needs to tell her that.

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Happy to see this thread is moving along.... 23 pages.... happy to know that what i playfully predict that YJ will enter palace just to be with YN seemed to be happening...

I'm sure they are gonna make Noron capture YJ hence that will make it easier for YJ to be absent for at least 3 episodes and make YN frantic to find her. How else to be missing for 3 long episodes? :D

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Haechi1920-00186-1.jpg

 

Soron historical figure Jo Hyeon Myeong (조현명,趙顯命, 1690 - 1752) express his willingness to enter Sigangwon (시강원, 侍講院, in full known as Seja Si Gang Won 세자시강원 世子侍講院, Crown Prince Tutorial Office). It is a fully function administration institution which staff officialdom from 1st rank to 7th rank.

 

He most probably will be holding the designation of Director (사, 師).

 

At the moment, there are vacancy aplenty in this office

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4 hours ago, oceluna said:
 
So touching episode. I really love it. Sometimes I smile, sometimes I cry. I like the way they build our characters here, especially the three mains. Besides the close link between them, their common ideal and the same path they share, they have their own fights. After 11 eps, I find that PD's arrangement is so interesting:
- When YN is at the court with JS at the first time to accused Prince MP, YJ and MS catch the witness as YN orders.
- When YN faces with his father and brother death, YJ and MS are crying for JS death.
- While YN is fighting with assasins, YJ has to fight with the dumb old man.
- When YN is at the court again for himself, YJ and MS are at the new courtesan house and face with Prince MP.
- And when YN is arrested, MS is protecting the commoners from Saheonbu soldiers.

In this ep, the scene I like most is the talk between YN and MS. Yeah, sometimes in life, you feel like you're so small and can not do what you intend to from the start. 

The kiss, uhm, I don't think it's romantic although it's not a how-a-court-lady-be lesson neither. In this scene, our YJ is still clueless and naive, and I don't know, but YN looks so sad. From now on, their relationship will be different. Perhaps, they really know that their feeling will not lead them to happiness. OK, I'm ready for that. But I hope they will be brave enough to love each other no matter what awaits them ahead. And I really like the line YJ says. "I will protect you no matter what". It's so touching. And I think YN heart can feel it.

 

@oceluna  "I will protect you no matter what"?  That sounds ominous.  From the looks of it, Yeo Ji might ultimately show her love for Yeoning by giving her life to protect him.  Being the way she is, a woman who's not very used to expressing herself like a woman yet having the heart of one, that would fit right in with her personality.  

 

I think I have to get myself ready for the ultimate heartbreak when this drama ends.  :unsure:

 

In the meantime, sharing this video that I saw on YT.  No english subs though.  

 

 

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@lightbringer06 are you talking about the kiss?  I'm not surprised. When I watched "Dong Yi",  i was often irritated and frustrated at how proper and formal Dong Yi and Sukjong acted towards each other when she became his consort. You would have expected them to act more affectionately by that time coz they were already married. 

 

I just hope the writer quits with the longing gazes and flustered Yeoning act. He's married and if you look at historical records,  by this time he already had three children. He was in no way a "blushing,  shy virgin" despite what Cho Hong thinks. 

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lol I think it's not about him being flustered in a "virginal" way but because it's the first time he really, truly loves someone, beyond just being fond of as a friend, or just... consummating or whatnot.

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Never been addicted to saeguk drama in a while. And Haechi bring me here now!! Wohoo.. Interesting stories afterall!! The histories, politics, friendship, really mix well! Oh also dont forget about the romance..But yes, i do think writernim need to improve yeoji's side on this romance part. Cause too many dragging might became really bored to watch.. though it will be a sink ship for yeoning n yeoji, but i hope they really could show some deep feeling love towards each other...

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I wish more people watched this drama.  There seems to be very few discussions and very little mention about it online.  And to think it's based on one of Joseon's greatest kings. And it has all the formulas for a hit drama.  I wonder what's the reason why. :P:huh:

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