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13 minutes ago, bebebisous33 said:

I doubt it. Her obsession for SJW has become so strong after so many years, especially after HK's car accident. HR cried at the funeral but for me, there were crocodile's tears. I am quite sure, she felt relieved that HK had died because this meant for her that SJW was free again. SJW took care of HK during the weekends... no, he is free during the weekend. To conclude, she was willing to wait for him, she could even accept that SJW never fell in love with her. She was satisfied with this idea "HK as SJW's only love in his life" because so far, SJW allowed her to act like his wife. Remember that she manages HK's gallery, she even buys him food and can enter his home unannounced, answers his phone calls, when he is absent. She is the one who asked him to help doctor Ha. She has a huge influence in his life and she knows that. So KIW's words mirror a lot of HR's inner thoughts: "just stay by my side" is enough!

Moreover, she knows how violent the man is... I can imagine that she won't just snitch YMR, she might even make a deal with KIW. If she tells him the whereabouts of his wife, he has to leave SJW alone.

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49 minutes ago, scarletlover1 said:

And I feel she would snitch to IW. She would snitch to the abusive husband, I just know it!:rage:

I feel the same way. She knows now who the husband is due to the damn dress. 

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1 minute ago, zenya22 said:

I feel the same way. She knows now who the husband is due to the damn dress. 

Yes, she likes the doctor and I think she will do everything to separate them.

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1 minute ago, zenya22 said:

I feel the same way. She knows now who the husband is due to the damn dress. 

Since SJW has not announced his wife's death to the authorities, it will be hard for HR to prove that YMR is not HK. HK had no relative, since there were only 4 people at her funeral. She has no concrete evidence. Even in his computer, he chose a different face. SJW could lie to KIW showing her a different face. 

Sure, there is the tomb... but SJW could change the headstone. Since HK was treated at home and his mother took care of her, the mother could lie for her son. There were 4 people at her funeral... so if SJW's mother and doctor Ha lied, HR can not prove that YMR is HK. Moreover, she has never met YMR before.

But I guess, HR will face a dilemma, when she realizes that YMR is the one she has been looking for. She wants to become successful too. 

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1 hour ago, bebebisous33 said:

Since SJW has not announced his wife's death to the authorities, it will be hard for HR to prove that YMR is not HK. HK had no relative, since there were only 4 people at her funeral. She has no concrete evidence. Even in his computer, he chose a different face. SJW could lie to KIW showing her a different face. 

Sure, there is the tomb... but SJW could change the headstone. Since HK was treated at home and his mother took care of her, the mother could lie for her son. There were 4 people at her funeral... so if SJW's mother and doctor Ha lied, HR can not prove that YMR is HK. Moreover, she has never met YMR before.

But I guess, HR will face a dilemma, when she realizes that YMR is the one she has been looking for. She wants to become successful too. 

The problem is Mari. She has been conditioned for years to be scared, unsure every minute if she is going to live or die psychologically, mentally and emotionally. Like she told Dr. Seo, I thought that if "I just changed my face then everything will be allright" but that was not how it was because it is the mental and psychological make up that drives people's thoughts and actions. Just like a person who has low self confidence because she thinks she does not look right and goes to have a face surgery to look beautiful but that does not guarantee that all of a sudden she will be confident. She might be temporarily happy at the look she got but does not mean that her selfview changed. So, IW who has "owned" Mari bodily and emotionally will pick up on Mari's reactions, and the preview already shows him intimidating Mari. In Sleeping With the Enemy, when Martin finds out that his wife is alive after all and living in Iowa, he goes there and sneaks into her kitchen and rearranges the kitchen cabinet to his exact standards which Laura finds later and hears the music that Martin played when he was intimate with her and Laura breaks down because fear has been instilled in her. So, just like Martin, IW will play the game of scare with Mari whether JW will lie to him or not, and will escalate it until he gets the reaction he wants from Mari. That is where the suspense thriller will be, I think. As for the "Self Portrait" that is also another piece of suspense of who will know first. If IW will know that JW's wife is an art gallery owner, I am betting he will be visiting the gallery, and HR will know then who the painter is but she has to explain to IW how she got the painting. I am hoping that it will be JW who will find out first before IW discovers the painting in his wife's gallery and before HR knows who the artist is. If they are going for suspense though, I  think that the drama will opt for IW discovering the painting at the gallery first, maybe. Also, IW has not stopped looking for Mari's mother who is his sure ticket to getting Mari back. 

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22 minutes ago, zenya22 said:

The problem is Mari. She has been conditioned for years to be scared, unsure every minute if she is going to live or die psychologically, mentally and emotionally. Like she told Dr. Seo, I thought that if "I just changed my face then everything will be allright" but that was not how it was because it is the mental and psychological make up that drives people's thoughts and actions. Just like a person who has low self confidence because she thinks she does not look right and goes to have a face surgery to look beautiful but that does not guarantee that all of a sudden she will be confident. She might be temporarily happy at the look she got but does not mean that her selfview changed. So, IW who has "owned" Mari bodily and emotionally will pick up on Mari's reactions, and the preview already shows him intimidating Mari. In Sleeping With the Enemy, when Martin finds out that his wife is alive after all and living in Iowa, he goes there and sneaks into her kitchen and rearranges the kitchen cabinet to his exact standards which Laura finds later and hears the music that Martin played when he was intimate with her and Laura breaks down because fear has been instilled in her. So, just like Martin, IW will play the game of scare with Mari whether JW will lie to him or not, and will escalate it until he gets the reaction he wants from Mari. That is where the suspense thriller will be, I think. As for the "Self Portrait" that is also another piece of suspense of who will know first. If IW will know that JW's wife is an art gallery owner, I am betting he will be visiting the gallery, and HR will know then who the painter is but she has to explain to IW how she got the painting. I am hoping that it will be JW who will find out first before IW discovers the painting in his wife's gallery and before HR knows who the artist is. If they are going for suspense though, I  think that the drama will opt for IW discovering the painting at the gallery first, maybe. Also, IW has not stopped looking for Mari's mother who is his sure ticket to getting Mari back. 

I agree with you that KIW will harass YMR/HK in order to find his wife. Right now, he has no idea that she went under plastic surgery. So when he follows her in the streets, I doubt that he is already thinking that HK/YMR is his wife. However, with the dress and later the gallery YMR visited, SIW will come to the conclusion that HK might be hiding YMR. But I doubt that SIW will recognize YMR by her reaction. Since he saw his mother and his wife reacting the same way (fear, paralysis, aso), he has the impression that women might get scared easily, especially if he follows her during the evening in a dark alley. He has a wrong perception of women in general.

 

And SJW will help her to overcome her trauma. He has already started helping, when he told her that she was precious and she should treasure/love herself. Little by little, he will boost her confidence. Notice that YMR already praised herself in front of him: her cooking skills were good. SJW and YMR have a lot in common: pain due to betrayal, love for flowers, painting... SJW is such a sensitive and delicate man who tried to please his wife with anything: necklace, tickets, dinner but HK actually stood him up. SJW never raised his voice. He is the total opposite of KIW. 

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1 hour ago, bebebisous33 said:

I agree with you that KIW will harass YMR/HK in order to find his wife. Right now, he has no idea that she went under plastic surgery. So when he follows her in the streets, I doubt that he is already thinking that HK/YMR is his wife. However, with the dress and later the gallery YMR visited, SIW will come to the conclusion that HK might be hiding YMR. But I doubt that SIW will recognize YMR by her reaction. Since he saw his mother and his wife reacting the same way (fear, paralysis, aso), he has the impression that women might get scared easily, especially if he follows her during the evening in a dark alley. He has a wrong perception of women in general.

 

And SJW will help her to overcome her trauma. He has already started helping, when he told her that she was precious and she should treasure/love herself. Little by little, he will boost her confidence. Notice that YMR already praised herself in front of him: her cooking skills were good. SJW and YMR have a lot in common: pain due to betrayal, love for flowers, painting... SJW is such a sensitive and delicate man who tried to please his wife with anything: necklace, tickets, dinner but HK actually stood him up. SJW never raised his voice. He is the total opposite of KIW. 

It is not that easy to change. When Mari/HK sees she will have the reaction of fear. IW has seen other women infact he works with them including the detective so I do think he does not think that all women should fear him especially when he has one person that he is obsessed with. But with Mari his instincts will know, afterall he has been married to her. He knows fear especially one he generated. JW might help Mari but it is not that easy although he has the advantage of  knowing her history. That is just my POV 

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2 hours ago, zenya22 said:

The problem is Mari. She has been conditioned for years to be scared, unsure every minute if she is going to live or die psychologically, mentally and emotionally. Like she told Dr. Seo, I thought that if "I just changed my face then everything will be allright" but that was not how it was because it is the mental and psychological make up that drives people's thoughts and actions. Just like a person who has low self confidence because she thinks she does not look right and goes to have a face surgery to look beautiful but that does not guarantee that all of a sudden she will be confident. She might be temporarily happy at the look she got but does not mean that her selfview changed. So, IW who has "owned" Mari bodily and emotionally will pick up on Mari's reactions, and the preview already shows him intimidating Mari. In Sleeping With the Enemy, when Martin finds out that his wife is alive after all and living in Iowa, he goes there and sneaks into her kitchen and rearranges the kitchen cabinet to his exact standards which Laura finds later and hears the music that Martin played when he was intimate with her and Laura breaks down because fear has been instilled in her. So, just like Martin, IW will play the game of scare with Mari whether JW will lie to him or not, and will escalate it until he gets the reaction he wants from Mari. That is where the suspense thriller will be, I think. As for the "Self Portrait" that is also another piece of suspense of who will know first. If IW will know that JW's wife is an art gallery owner, I am betting he will be visiting the gallery, and HR will know then who the painter is but she has to explain to IW how she got the painting. I am hoping that it will be JW who will find out first before IW discovers the painting in his wife's gallery and before HR knows who the artist is. If they are going for suspense though, I  think that the drama will opt for IW discovering the painting at the gallery first, maybe. Also, IW has not stopped looking for Mari's mother who is his sure ticket to getting Mari back. 

Yeah, but Laura ("Sleeping with enemy") not change her face... 

 

I agree with you, I think IW has already found the point to close the siege around the wife's whereabouts. And that's where he's going to explore. I am anxious to know what he will do when he finds out that she has changed her face.

 

Now there's a thing that I do not understand: if he doesn't want to be compared to the father's behavior, why he does the same things, why he repeats the behavior that the father had with his mother? It's insane! And why the hell did he threaten her with a gun after she said she was afraid of him? It's lack of intelligence! <_<

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7 minutes ago, zenya22 said:

It is not that easy to change. When Mari/HK sees she will have the reaction of fear. IW has seen other women infact he works with them including the detective so I do think he does not think that all women should fear him especially when he has one person that he is obsessed with. But with Mari his instincts will know, afterall he has been married to her. He knows fear especially one he generated. JW might help Mari but it is not that easy although he has the advantage of  knowing her history. That is just my POV 

I know... but in the preview, YMR is feeling threatened because someone is following her in the evening in a dark and empty alley... YMR has an excuse for her reaction. I doubt that YMR will betray herself so soon.

 

5 minutes ago, juli® said:

Yeah, but Laura ("Sleeping with enemy") not change her face... 

 

I agree with you, I think IW has already found the point to close the siege around the wife's whereabouts. And that's where he's going to explore. I am anxious to know what he will do when he finds out that she has changed her face.

In my opinion, KIW was not completely obsessed with her face, rather with her eyes and her lips: the expression of happiness. In his mind, he had imagined how his mother would look if she was happy. That's why he kept telling her to smile... he has been longing for a certain expression in her eyes and with her smile. He was jealous to see her happy with someone else. So I doubt that changing her face will put an end to his obsession... it will have the exact opposite, especially if he sees how YMR is happy around SJW. She will ooze the feelings KIW has been longing all this time.  

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Okay, so I watched the first 4 aka 6 episodes and my thoughts while watching it were:

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Like everyone on this show has serious issues.

 

Kang In Wook (kudos to Ryu Soo Young for taking on such a dark character) who is obsessed with Yoon Ma Ri to a point where his love turns into something twisted and dark. Yoon Ma Ri who is living in hell and her only way to get away is to stage her own death and change her face. And then Seo Jung Won who changes Ma Ri's face into his passed wife's face. Like what the actual?

 

I don't know what to think yet - just that this drama is meeting all the drama clichés in k-dramaland. But I'm so fascinated I want to keep watching and see where this drama will take this.

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31 minutes ago, bebebisous33 said:

I know... but in the preview, YMR is feeling threatened because someone is following her in the evening in a dark and empty alley... YMR has an excuse for her reaction. I doubt that YMR will betray herself so soon.

 

In my opinion, KIW was not completely obsessed with her face, rather with her eyes and her lips: the expression of happiness. In his mind, he had imagined how his mother would look if she was happy. That's why he kept telling her to smile... he has been longing for a certain expression in her eyes and with her smile. He was jealous to see her happy with someone else. So I doubt that changing her face will put an end to his obsession... it will have the exact opposite, especially if he sees how YMR is happy around SJW. She will ooze the feelings KIW has been longing all this time.  

I agree, I think he really likes the YMR in his way and, indeed, he insisted on seeing her smiling and happy. Even because she smiled a lot at the beginning of the wedding, there are even scenes in the form of memories of him ... When he came to pick her up at the cafeteria, I thought he was going to go crazy seeing her talking to another man, be it screaming, beating... But no, instead he asked her to smile at him. Shocked!

 

There was a series that passed some time ago (a long time ago, by the way!), La femme Nikita. I had an episode of domestic violence, in which a gansgter beat his wife, a pretty girl. The aggressor, David Fanning, was very handsome but extremely cruel to his wife, Lisa Fanning.

La femme Nikita S1x15 - Obsessed

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3 hours ago, juli® said:

Yeah, but Laura ("Sleeping with enemy") not change her face... 

 

I agree with you, I think IW has already found the point to close the siege around the wife's whereabouts. And that's where he's going to explore. I am anxious to know what he will do when he finds out that she has changed her face.

 

Now there's a thing that I do not understand: if he doesn't want to be compared to the father's behavior, why he does the same things, why he repeats the behavior that the father had with his mother? It's insane! And why the hell did he threaten her with a gun after she said she was afraid of him? It's lack of intelligence! 

IW's mind is warped since he was a child, was brought up in a dysfunctional family and picked up dysfunctional mind, beliefs and habits. He was attracted to Mari by virtue of Mari's face that is alike to his mother. Mari reminds him of mom. So, at first he wanted to protect Mari and yet his protection became an obsession which turned out to absolute control. In his twisted mind, he imagines that Mari will leave him. The way he learned to control is by violence even if he hates the fact that his father is a violent man. Threatening her with a gun while saying that he likes to shoot at moving targets is saying if you run I will shoot, but if you stay put I won't. 

 

Yes, Laura did not change her face, unlike Mari. But I think that is the beauty of this drama, it adds flair to the suspense. IW maybe crazy but he is not stupid. His obsession also makes him decisive and persistent and he has good memory too as he knows exactly which dress he did not buy for his wife. So he hires a detective to trace the buyers of the same dress that his wife wore when she tried to run away and was brought back home wearing a different dress. They were told there were 200 dresses sold. He went with the detective search for every buyer of the dress and the last one may make him suspicious if JW will be unable to produce a dress. In  the meantime, Mari is cowering in the bedroom when she heard her husband's voice. In the J drama, the obsessed man was a detective and was a dogged investigator for the whereabouts of his wife but here, IW hires one. 

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so I was thinking, what if ma ri really did'nt look like KIW's mother? Maybe he just associated them for another reason? and all the plastic surgery was for nothing?

 

 

Can someone please tell me what's the name of the ost?, in the last episode sounds like korean children plays hide and seek, did you see that drama?

 

:sweatingbullets:sorry for my english.

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1 hour ago, zenya22 said:

IW's mind is warped since he was a child, was brought up in a dysfunctional family and picked up dysfunctional mind, beliefs and habits. He was attracted to Mari by virtue of Mari's face that is alike to his mother. Mari reminds him of mom. So, at first he wanted to protect Mari and yet his protection became an obsession which turned out to absolute control. In his twisted mind, he imagines that Mari will leave him. The way he learned to control is by violence even if he hates the fact that his father is a violent man. Threatening her with a gun while saying that he likes to shoot at moving targets is saying if you run I will shoot, but if you stay put I won't. 

 

Yes, Laura did not change her face, unlike Mari. But I think that is the beauty of this drama, it adds flair to the suspense. IW maybe crazy but he is not stupid. His obsession also makes him decisive and persistent and he has good memory too as he knows exactly which dress he did not buy for his wife. So he hires a detective to trace the buyers of the same dress that his wife wore when she tried to run away and was brought back home wearing a different dress. They were told there were 200 dresses sold. He went with the detective search for every buyer of the dress and the last one may make him suspicious if JW will be unable to produce a dress. In  the meantime, Mari is cowering in the bedroom when she heard her husband's voice. In the J drama, the obsessed man was a detective and was a dogged investigator for the whereabouts of his wife but here, IW hires one. 

Were not 30 dresses? I hate myself for liking IW :persevere: and wanting him to stay with Ma-Ri at the end, even though I know it will not happen, nor does it even make sense. And, yes, he is not stupid, on the contrary, the obsession made him an attentive, careful and persevering man. He will do whatever it takes to find her. What I am eager to know is what will happen when he finds out that she has changed the face he so loved. Will you feel betrayed? Are you going to kill her? In fact, right at the beginning of the drama, he gets shot and falls into the pool. Was it real or a dream? Anticipated the end of the drama?

2 minutes ago, Khadija Da Silva said:

so I was thinking, what if ma ri really did'nt look like KIW's mother? Maybe he just associated them for another reason? and all the plastic surgery was for nothing?

 

 

Can someone please tell me what's the name of the ost?, in the last episode sounds like korean children plays hide and seek, did you see that drama?

 

:sweatingbullets:sorry for my english.

Hahaha everyone wants to know, the OST is wonderful but MBC, until today, not released it... Sorry for my english too. :fearful:

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20 hours ago, bebebisous33 said:

As for the doctor, he recreated his wife's face after YMR had suggested it. He could give her the face of the person he likes... which he did. If he had been obsessed with his wife's face, he wouldn't have been so shocked after taking away the bandage. First, he had problems to see her face.

Being shocked is not a sign of lack of obsession, it was most likely being faced with the realization of what he did (subtext) and that it came out so 'identical' - this is a drama, of course, not reality, - in reality much prep goes into designing a cosmetic change - it is not like drawing on a canvass

Although they are writing Hae Ra as the typical female opposition suffering from jealous unrequited love, her scene with SJW brought up some very needed questions of why he gave MR his wife's face... Though this drama may not really go there, how disturbing for Ma Ri, to be yet again a 'Face' with such meaning for someone else - another battle ahead to be herself. There is so much psychological depth to this theme...the illusions we fall for...the abuse so many women go through ...It will be interesting to see how they resolve this..though dramas are entertainment, they are always a comment on society

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14 hours ago, juli® said:

Yeah, but Laura ("Sleeping with enemy") not change her face... 

 

I agree with you, I think IW has already found the point to close the siege around the wife's whereabouts. And that's where he's going to explore. I am anxious to know what he will do when he finds out that she has changed her face.

 

Now there's a thing that I do not understand: if he doesn't want to be compared to the father's behavior, why he does the same things, why he repeats the behavior that the father had with his mother? It's insane! And why the hell did he threaten her with a gun after she said she was afraid of him? It's lack of intelligence! <_<

 

Apparently a third of children that were abused in their childhood will grow up to become abusers themselves, it's really hard to break the cycle. I see In-Wook as an abuser and a victim -- I don't think he wants to repeat his father's behavior, except that he doesn't know anything else. He's been through stuff that would take years of counselling to come to terms with, and he seems to be processing all those pent up emotions through rage and... Ma-Ri? He did say that he needed her around to calm his emotions. 

 

I think he threatened her with the gun, practically telling her that he'd kill her if she tried anything, to scare her off from trying to run away. Honestly, it might have worked if Ma-Ri hadn't met Jung-Won and he encouraged to face her problems head on. *shrug*

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4 hours ago, Gaia2u said:

Although they are writing Hae Ra as the typical female opposition suffering from jealous unrequited love, her scene with SJW brought up some very needed questions of why he gave MR his wife's face... Though this drama may not really go there, how disturbing for Ma Ri, to be yet again a 'Face' with such meaning for someone else - another battle ahead to be herself. There is so much psychological depth to this theme...the illusions we fall for...the abuse so many women go through ...It will be interesting to see how they resolve this..though dramas are entertainment, they are always a comment on society

Exactly, Hae Ra, jealous or not, did bring up very practical and important questions. It is spooky to come face to face with a woman who looks exactly like the face of the dead wife and the man not reporting that his wife is dead and did it on the day his wife died, whom he new was cheating on him. It makes one wonder if the re-construction of his wife's face on another woman was a way to re-live and re-invent the broken relationship he had into a relationship that he longed to have with his dead wife. In LMIH the professionalism of the surgeon became an issue and don't know if that will be explored in this drama which should be because the LMIH surgeon's intentions were transparent and clearer while the surgeon in this drama seems "confused'. 

 

Ma Ri already found out that life after plastic surgery did not miraculously get better especially when she lives not very far away from where her husband's life revolves in. I hope she questions the surgeon's intent in giving her his wife's face then learn more about the wife's history and makes it clear to JW that she is not his wife, that she is Yoon Mari. Maybe when JW realizes that she is the artist of the "Self Portrait" he will help her to express herself through her passion....painting. 

 

 

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He will do whatever it takes to find her. What I am eager to know is what will happen when he finds out that she has changed the face he so loved. Will you feel betrayed? Are you going to kill her? In fact, right at the beginning of the drama, he gets shot and falls into the pool. Was it real or a dream? Anticipated the end of the drama?

@juli® that is what we all want to know, how he will re act when he finally proves that Mari is now living with the face of Ha Kyung who was the wife of the surgeon. I can't imagine the rage of betrayal that he will feel and how vehement his reaction will be.

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The pool scene, not a dream and not the end either.....if they are going to folow the original 

 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, MidnightRain said:

 

Apparently a third of children that were abused in their childhood will grow up to become abusers themselves, it's really hard to break the cycle. I see In-Wook as an abuser and a victim -- I don't think he wants to repeat his father's behavior, except that he doesn't know anything else. He's been through stuff that would take years of counselling to come to terms with, and he seems to be processing all those pent up emotions through rage and... Ma-Ri? He did say that he needed her around to calm his emotions. 

 

I think he threatened her with the gun, practically telling her that he'd kill her if she tried anything, to scare her off from trying to run away. Honestly, it might have worked if Ma-Ri hadn't met Jung-Won and he encouraged to face her problems head on. *shrug*

Is the shrug at the end you being disappointed she met the lead or that the second led is clearly cray

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Guys, I must say that I like KYW much more than SJW, with all his madness. If MBC had cast Song Seung-heon for the role of the doctor, I would kill Ma-Ri myself and stay with him...  Seriously now, this doctor is very zzzz, it will be difficult for me to accept this couple... Now, the actors are killing it on the characters, wow, MBC chose well. I'm crazy to know how KIW will react when she finds out that Ma-Ri changed her face, the face he loved so much! 

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