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@zenya22 That’s why it is clear that doctor Ha never loved WHK in reality. He abandoned her, when she was hurt and he didn’t even help SJW for the surgery on WHK. He betrayed his friend out of jealousy. I hope, he will suffer the most due to his misdeeds.

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13 hours ago, zenya22 said:

JHR has no significance in his life except for her use as an informant but HR lied and withheld information from him. JHR wanted his money for her ambition and that is how KIW can destroy her. All KIW has to do is void the contract since HR breached the contract when she lied and did not fulfill her part of the business agreement. That is how he can destroy HR where she will lose her small gallery and business reputation. No one will ever hire her again. IW's attention is now focused on Ma Ri and his father whom he is trying to pacify . Dr Ha destroyed his life on his own when he abandoned HK unconscious at the scene of accident. Ha's misdeed would have been found out and his life as a doctor finished if not by IW by someone else, the golden rule.Remember that the other driver in the collision had the tape and gave a copy to IW.  I don't know if JW will have the guts to confront him when he will know the truth but He Ra would have.

 

But that's what I'm talking about. JHR got his money, but I think KIW is so focused on YMR and getting revenge on SJW, he did not even remember her.

 

And @zenya22 I need to give you the credit, you were right when you said the YMR had intimacy with KIW before she ran away. I thought they did not because she did not get pregnant. Good girl!

 

@zenya22 You said "The PD and writers have implied, suggested denoted in many ways the many times she was beaten, therefore they really don't have to show them doing, either the beating or the bedding. The writers and the PD assume that we read between the lines, (my thinking)."

 

I have admit it I'm too much practice to understand between the lines. The situation has to be direct, shown or spoken in the drama. I struggle, but I assumed that if it is not so, I don't understand.

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On 4/15/2019 at 12:14 PM, bebebisous33 said:

@zenya22 That’s why it is clear that doctor Ha never loved WHK in reality. He abandoned her, when she was hurt and he didn’t even help SJW for the surgery on WHK. He betrayed his friend out of jealousy. I hope, he will suffer the most due to his misdeeds.

Dr. Ha is disgusting. 

 

Hey, guys, did you see? KIW does have a picture of his mother, his father didn't throw them all away. I still doubt that he did it, I think the photos are stored somewhere that only he, the father, knows.

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Hey, @zenya22 you're not going to do your review eps. 29-32? Please, do it! 

 

I think KIW suffers from the Oedipus Complex, which only manifested himself when he became an adult. How can he think in YMR sexually if he sees his mother when he looks at her? It doesn't go into my mind.

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On 4/14/2019 at 5:35 AM, bebebisous33 said:

In my opinion, KIW's father is abusing his son mentally because he is actually covering up his crime. From my point of view, KIW has been brainwashed by his own father who told him that his mother abandoned him by committing suicide. However, I suspect that in reality his mother tried to protect her son, she came back to take him and her husband shot her. She was killed by him. And his own son could have realized that hence he told KIW these lies. He knew what his mother meant to him. By telling him that she committed suicide therefore she abandoned him, the chairman hurt KIW so much so that he wouldn't pay attention to the details and his own memories. That's why the father can insult KIW as weak. He expected, KIW would come to resent his mother for leaving him behind. 

The reason why I suspect that his mother was killed is this:

 

On 4/14/2019 at 5:35 AM, bebebisous33 said:

Notice that her wound is on her chest and not on her head. Secondly the way she is holding her gun. In an earlier episode, I had seen the blood on the chest but I thought, this could have been a mistake. However, this time the scene was much longer. KIW never saw his mother's suicide, he only heard the gun shot. And notice that in the preview, he is trying to act like "his mother", point the gun to his head....

 

The reasons why I suspect the father for killing his wife are the following:

- He was bothered that YMR looked like his wife... he was afraid that this might trigger KIW's memory of this night

- Secondly, he was happy that his son would treat YMR like he did with his wife. Her running away revealed that the lies he had told KIW had worked. 

- Furthermore he talked about betrayal to KIW once while he was hunting. In my opinion, he was talking about betrayal as if he had experienced it himself. So the mother came back to take her son... and she would leave him for real. 

- Finally, he shows so much concern for YMR. Why? Because she could trigger something KIW which would make him realize that he had been manipulated by his father all along.

 

Therefore I come to the conclusion that KIW could be shot by his father, as the latter is trying to kill YMR. that's how he will realize what happened back then. Now, we know where KIW went in the first episode. The villa looked a lot like the villa YMR was sent after KIW took her from the hospital. The secretary told him that this villa is used by the chairman. That's how KIW will realize what true love is. His mother loved him so much that she risked her own life to take him away from his father.

episode 29 to 32 even though I looked at these as fillers after re-reading @bebebisous33review, I just realized the significance of these episodes. My expectations of these as psychological thriller/suspense drama were based on my comparison of these drama to the original J drama and the movie Sleeping With the Enemy. The movie was a 2 hour watch and the J drama a short 10 episodes. And the emphasis of both movie and J drama was the suspense of the chase of the runaway wife from the psycho husband and the eventual triumph of the wife in freeing herself from the psycho husband and the tragic endings of husbands. But in both the movie and the J drama, the story or the beginnings of social conditioning of both husbands were never explored since the force of both movie and J drama was suspense/psycho thriller. However, from the start of this 40 episode drama the abusive family relationships of the "bad guy", KIW has been delved into and therefore KIW is not just that scary man trying to kill the wife but he is given a face of a piteous child abandoned and abused. The writers managed to arouse understanding compassion and pity for the child but not condone the actions of the adult who abuses and imprisons his wife prompted by the childhood conditioning of his mind and knows no other way to behave or act. All through the drama, KIW's story is revisited. As a viewer, I wish that someone will knock him down and take him to therapy at a mental facility, but as the finale draws closer it appears that his ending is looking bleaker. That is why I am hoping that he will be saved by the 3 friends who seem to care about him, the dog, the secretary and the detective other wise he will end tragically or behind bars and for KIW that will be worse than death. 

 

to be continued @juli®... I have to see the doc and I  will finish review when I come back

 

continuing: Like I said the fact that the drama made an exceptional effort to humanize  IW, tells me that there is a hopeful ending for him just like the ending in LMIH and the abusive husband there was worse than IW. So even though the last episodes show the ending as bleak, I am placing my bet that the ending will be well for all. 

KIK, IW's dad treats IW as his possession and even though KIK is verbally and emotionally abusive towards IW, he does not let or tolerate anyone else disrespecting or treating IW the way he does because IW is his son, his possesion. He can do what he wants with IW but no one else is permitted to lay a hand on IW his precious possesion. So, if KIK sees that Ma Ri changed her face, KIK will consider it the worse betrayal and disloyalty more than IW, (my thinking). The question is what will the father do to the people whom he will blame for betraying his son? Dr. Ha will be exposed and will lose his MD license for neglect and abandonment and may even end in prison. Ha can blame IW, HK, JW or the devil but it won't matter because (karma) does not care. Ha will reap the consequences of his actions. What I am curious about is what KIk will do or what will happen to KIK when IW gets shot. Psychologically and emotionally he is very much connected to IW his son, his possesion. I hope we get to the swimming pool scene soon.

 

As for JW and Ma Ri, my feelings about their sudden romance, I was wishing that there romance would have happened more gradually. That they had made JW more human or given him more emotional depth. After his wife died, the woman he was so devoted to and whom he was hoping to revive died, there was no passion in him, no expression of self examination, no expression of grief as if he were a robot. Then he developed feelings for Ma Ri whom he calls HK and when he realized HK's betrayal he had a breakdown and then nothing. I would have understood his character more if he had let Ma Ri leave while he goes through self examination, recrimination and settle scores with his wife especially when he found out whom his wife was having an affair with before he moved on. I would have wished Ma Ri would have told JW that she would give him time to sort out his feelings with his past and that she had some sorting out to do herself, move out of his house and accepted the officetel JW offered. That way she would have developed independent, wiser, stronger mindset. JW is a doctor who in his hospital rotations and exposed to patients in abusive/obsessive relationships and would have known that confronting IW will only lead to more abuse for the partner being abused. So he would have surmised that confronting IW by himself especially when he is known to be the lover of Ma Ri will only bring harm to himself but mostly to Ma Ri. Going about confronting IW and confessing his love and concern and being beaten, knowing that he can't go to the police because his changing the face of Ma Ri into his wife's face and letting her pretend to be his wife could be a cause to suspend his MD license was unwise. And Ma Ri, well I thought she would have been wiser this time around...

 

 

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1 hour ago, zenya22 said:

 

episode 29 to 32 even though I looked at these as fillers after re-reading @bebebisous33review, I just realized the significance of these episodes. My expectations of these as psychological thriller/suspense drama were based on my comparison of these drama to the original J drama and the movie Sleeping With the Enemy. The movie was a 2 hour watch and the J drama a short 10 episodes. And the emphasis of both movie and J drama was the suspense of the chase of the runaway wife from the psycho husband and the eventual triumph of the wife in freeing herself from the psycho husband and the tragic endings of husbands. But in both the movie and the J drama, the story or the beginnings of social conditioning of both husbands were never explored since the force of both movie and J drama was suspense/psycho thriller. However, from the start of this 40 episode drama the abusive family relationships of the "bad guy", KIW has been delved into and therefore KIW is not just that scary man trying to kill the wife but he is given a face of a piteous child abandoned and abused. The writers managed to arouse understanding compassion and pity for the child but not condone the actions of the adult who abuses and imprisons his wife prompted by the childhood conditioning of his mind and knows no other way to behave or act. All through the drama, KIW's story is revisited. As a viewer, I wish that someone will knock him down and take him to therapy at a mental facility, but as the finale draws closer it appears that his ending is looking bleaker. That is why I am hoping that he will be saved by the 3 friends who seem to care about him, the dog, the secretary and the detective other wise he will end tragically or behind bars and for KIW that will be worse than death. 

 

to be continued @juli®... I have to see the doc and I  will finish review when I come back

I agree KIW needs help asap. Who wants to help him is the 64 million dollar question. Other than that I cant see anything but tragedy for him.

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3 hours ago, zenya22 said:

 

episode 29 to 32 even though I looked at these as fillers after re-reading @bebebisous33review, I just realized the significance of these episodes. My expectations of these as psychological thriller/suspense drama were based on my comparison of these drama to the original J drama and the movie Sleeping With the Enemy. The movie was a 2 hour watch and the J drama a short 10 episodes. And the emphasis of both movie and J drama was the suspense of the chase of the runaway wife from the psycho husband and the eventual triumph of the wife in freeing herself from the psycho husband and the tragic endings of husbands. But in both the movie and the J drama, the story or the beginnings of social conditioning of both husbands were never explored since the force of both movie and J drama was suspense/psycho thriller. However, from the start of this 40 episode drama the abusive family relationships of the "bad guy", KIW has been delved into and therefore KIW is not just that scary man trying to kill the wife but he is given a face of a piteous child abandoned and abused. The writers managed to arouse understanding compassion and pity for the child but not condone the actions of the adult who abuses and imprisons his wife prompted by the childhood conditioning of his mind and knows no other way to behave or act. All through the drama, KIW's story is revisited. As a viewer, I wish that someone will knock him down and take him to therapy at a mental facility, but as the finale draws closer it appears that his ending is looking bleaker. That is why I am hoping that he will be saved by the 3 friends who seem to care about him, the dog, the secretary and the detective other wise he will end tragically or behind bars and for KIW that will be worse than death. 

 

to be continued @juli®... I have to see the doc and I  will finish review when I come back

Okay. Doc? I hope everything is alright to you. And thank you!

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2 hours ago, dolorisbrady said:

I agree KIW needs help asap. Who wants to help him is the 64 million dollar question. Other than that I cant see anything but tragedy for him.

At this point in the drama, I only accept two endings: YMR ends alone or they all die. I don't buy her with the doctor who changed her face to WHK's to take another chance on the woman he loved, shaping WHK's personality that fits with himself.

 

But I confess I cannot imagine a different end for KIW other than what appears at the beginning of ep 1. 

 

 

 

Now, everyone, KIW comes from a Chaebol family, they are like that, they are created that way because they have to be like that, otherwise they wouldn't be the 3rd largest conglomerate of the country. They need to be strong. The way he deals with situations is perfectly understandable, considering the means from which he comes. Of course, I am not referring to violence against YMR, but to everything else. I think his dad knows there's something wrong with that YMR's comeback and he's pushing his son to tell him right away (by showing YMR). I also cannot believe that Dad threw away all the photos of his late wife. The expressions the old man makes when he hears the KIW's lies are priceless, if he gives them good laughs. I don't think KIW will be able to get YMR face surgery before his father finds out the whole truth. I think if KIW had seduced JHR, he would have discovered the truth soon enough. JHR was angry at SJW on the fourth occasion and still lacking affection. It was going to be easy for someone like him. Impressed by KIW's instincts, he didn't even turn around, but he already knew the YMR was behind him in Gallery. 

Impressed, too, with Soo Young's acting on the scene when he returns home after another pressure from his father, and takes the picture of YMR and his mother from the jacket . He even sweated in this scene! :scream: I don't know if it's just Soo Young merit is only his or the production warmed the air so that it was sweaty! And we have another new song, plus one from KIW.

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