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20 hours ago, lollyminx said:

HAHAHAHAHAHA It's hilarious how you put it :lol: but yeah, I was also reading about the historical background of this series and saw what Bang Won did. I guess he made up for it by being sperm donor so Korea can have Sejong the Great? 

 

Maybe he was a good father that's why he was able to raise a good son. He preferred Sejong over his older sons which means he had good eye for the people.

Generally I don't judge historical characters because our sources of information themselves can be unreliable or biased or exaggerated. I'm more intrested in overall social impact of different events and traditions during  course of history. LBW massacred a few people but maybe he did it in self defense. Maybe he didn't have other choice. There were kings/emperors who slaughtered hundred thousands just for fun and are still considered 'great'. Compared to them LBW sounds tame. 

 

12 hours ago, Prettysup said:

 

Are they? I see people saying that this deserves 15% rating 

 

https://entertain.naver.com/ranking/comment/list?oid=108&aid=0002816610

It's both.:D

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This drama is riveting. I’m captivated by the way it’s presented even though it has the usual drama antics. The wonderful portrayal of the cast plus top notch cinematography makes up for the fairly standard story. I like to believe that there will be a twist to the story towards the end between the two main characters’ friendship. I think there will be something that will restore their bond and things are more than what it appears to be right now. At least the optimist in me would like to think so. 

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I don't know to which extent the director is planning to be faithful to the true events of history. JH is too old to play LBW and these kids are too young to play princes. 

 

In 1388, those 2 kids were only 6 and 7 years old, so I guess the kids ages are ok.

Yi Bang-won was supposed to be 21 years old at that time, so JH is indeed too old for this role haha. But then it is kind of hard to find a 21 year old actor who can carry the aura of YBW in the drama, so let's assume all those years in the battlefield and fighting in wars had hardened and aged YBW prematurely. His age will be more appropriate as the timeline jumps later on.

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On 10/12/2019 at 9:55 AM, lollyminx said:

I don't know what to think about character development here. On the one hand, I agree with you all when you said character development is lacking. On the other hand, I am still satisfied with the pace of the story. It may just be because I like the story, the visuals, and the actors here though, but I believe as the story moves along, the events will influence character development. 

 

Also, the female lead's acting is faltering again and it comes just when I'm about to cheer her on. Like when she left Ihwaru, I was like, "You go girl! We don't know what the consequence of you leaving will be, BUT YAAAAAS FOR NOT ALLOWING YOURSELF TO BE USED BY SEOL!" And then she comes out of the gisaeng house and then delivers acting while bidding goodbye to her friend that fails to connect me with her. She's a hit or miss for me so far, but I'm hanging on to her just cause her character arc seems interesting enough. I want to know what her position will be in the future. 

 

Can I just say, this series is making me read about Korean history lol I'm so curious about what's going to happen that I read about the Goryeo to Joseon transition. From my understanding, Seong Gye is going to be the next king, and his descendants will lead Joseon, and Bang Won's son will be Sejeong the Great, right? 

Yes, Yi Seong Gye is the one who take away the power of Goryeo Kings and made himself a King and ye, Yi Bang Won is the father of Sejong the great. If you want a more detailed drama of Yi Bang Won watch six flying dragons. That drama is 50 episodes and it tells about Yi Bang Won and his family quite in detail

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8 hours ago, r047 said:

is 3% considered ok?

I think yes. I'm not Korean so I don't know how TV ratings work there but many people have said that for cable shows 3% is good enough. 

 

5 hours ago, rocher22 said:

I dont understand why the writer inconsistently portrays Sunho.

Sunho stood  in front of that  sword protecting Hwi.

And then at the end of the episode he blackmails Hwi using Yeon.

That was  really low...

I think he's trying to balance his personal desires and that of Hwi's. Sunho may have been raised in a well-to-do family but compared to Hwi, he has been struggling since childhood because of his father. He saw her dead mother (either he hanged herself or Nam Jeon had her killed), he was blamed for his older brother's death, and since then, his life hasn't been his own. Mentally or emotionally, Hwi had it better but he's poor. So they're the opposites. Hwi is from a loving family but he's poor. Sunho is from a wealthy family but has never been loved by his family. He only felt that with Hwi as his friend, so in Episode 4, he told Hwi there's one person he doesn't want to lose, and that's Hwi. Sunho is now trying to balance not losing Hwi and gaining power himself so he can crush his father, and this shows in all his decisions: he chose to send Hwi to war so his father won't kill Hwi, but also so he can show he can be trusted by his father.

 

All in all, I truly understand where Sunho is coming from although this doesn't excuse the horrible things he did to Hwi. Even so, I hope he and Hwi will make up in the latter part of the series. I care more about their relationship as best friends, than the love angle, to be honest, hahaha

 

2 hours ago, mademoisellesia said:

I can't hate on Sun Ho after learning his backstory. I also understand his inner conflict of wanting to break free from the hell he was born into, and he's doing it in the only way he knows/taught how albeit it's blatantly wrong.

I feel the same.

 

2 hours ago, Prettysup said:

Can you imagine they are the same person ?

OH MY GOD! I've seen that actor somewhere playing a normal character. I never would have imagined it's him playing the medic. What a transformation lol I hope he doesn't die though because I'm rooting for him to become a proper doctor in Joseon lol

 

2 hours ago, fiesty8001 said:

He preferred Sejong over his older sons which means he had good eye for the people.

Ooooh it seems so. I mean in the series, Bang Won seems to respect Seo Geom, so maybe that's how he is known in Korea? A person with relatively good judgment? 

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9 minutes ago, lollyminx said:

All in all, I truly understand where Sunho is coming from although this doesn't excuse the horrible things he did to Hwi. Even so, I hope he and Hwi will make up in the latter part of the series. I care more about their relationship as best friends, than the love angle, to be honest, hahaha

Same. I hope they made up in the end even if that means Sun Ho has to die to atone his sins. I'm 100% certain Name Jeon betrayed Seo Geom and they were also friends, and now history is repeating itself on Sun Ho and Hwi. But I want to put faith in Sun Ho that he would turn out differently to his father at the end even though he walked the wrong path first.

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As for Yi Bang Won, Wikipedia indicated that he killed/exiled many of his supporters that helped him ascend to the throne to strengthen the royal authority. He even killed his son, Sejong's in-law, to weaken the in-law's power. It reminds me of the talk of the "greater cause" (daeui) in episode 4 and that's why they say the king (or the leader of a country) is always lonely. They have to be good, do good, but they also have to be evil, make difficult decisions and sacrifice lives for the greater good when the circumstances called for it.

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5 hours ago, Miky88 said:

 

I found it more cruel how he told him that Yeon died when he very well knew someday he might see her and don't consider what Nam Jeon told him as enough reason to hide it from him like that...

 

I actually saw some truth in this... the way she is now, the Yeon that Hwi knew has "died" as she has no memories of them. To some extent, this might be saving her from her painful memories, but when she does remember, she might be even more distraught that she forgot. Maybe Sun Ho wanted Hwi to truly not return so as to save his life, and also save Yeon's life by not coming back to remind her of the past. 

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4 hours ago, mademoisellesia said:

Episode 4 is really good & we all get more of the story (than action scenes) we want too. I thought the same with you all when I saw episode 3 but wanted to wait and see if Show is withholding more backstory to the characters and sure enough we get flashbacks from their past in episode 4, and they really are crucial information on both Hwi and Sun Ho.

 

I can't hate on Sun Ho after learning his backstory. I also understand his inner conflict of wanting to break free from the hell he was born into, and he's doing it in the only way he knows/taught how albeit it's blatantly wrong. I believe on some level, Hwi understands Sun Ho and his determination that's why he refused to believe Sun Ho when Sun Ho said he bribed the examiner. Sun Ho still has his soft spot for Hwi and Yeon; I was so glad he told Hwi truthfully not to go against his father otherwise he will die. He is, in his own way, trying to protect Hwi and Yeon.

 

At the moment Sun Ho's character is much more compelling than Seo Hwi's. WDH landed himself a really good role. Now that we've gotten to the main story, I hope to see Hwi becoming more proactive in fighting for his belief. For the past 4 episodes, he's only reacting when "pushed" but I anticipate him using his wit and grow stronger. I'm also anticipating both of them to outwit each other during the time of the "First Strife of Princes" because they know each other well means they will try to predict each others' moves/thoughts.

 

After this week, my conclusion is that even if the story falters I'm still going to see it to the end because the acting from all these actors are too good to be missed. Plus I get some quick short-cut history lesson of the beginning of Joseon dynasty (Hahaha). I really like the end of episode 3 and the start of episode 4 because of YSJ and WDH's acting. After Sun Ho was attacked, YSJ was shedding a few tears (have to sit really close to the screen to be able to see it because his face is so diry, blocked by his hair and the scene is so dark), and was literally shaking from the shock which turned into anger after that... ok I lied, I also love other scenes between Hwi & SH, Hwi & Nam Jeon, Nam Jeon & LSG, Nam Jeon & LBW, LBW & LSG... the tension between them all is exciting to see.

 

I'm happy to hear the ratings went up too. JTBC has to compete with SBS's Vagabond who's leading in rating at the moment and Pegasus Market (for Fri only). But once Vagabond finishes in Nov, the ratings should pick up a lot more.

I agree with you on this. Sunho’s character despite his flaws is great. There is a depth to his character and his back story along with his conflicts with his dad, his character is a lot more interesting. I expected hwi to change completely and his character to be more forceful / driven and ambitious after he was sent away forcefully but he hasn’t become that for me. His actions seem to be a result of the moment rather than an ambition for a cause. I can see the writer is trying to make him kinder and all but it sadly isn’t making him interesting enough. YSG is an amazing actor but I feel like writer isn’t helping him here 

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Well, I don't agree with the thought that Sunho wanted Yeon to have good memories and start a new life, from the beginning it was partly his fault that she and her brother ended up this way. It reminds me of what Heejae said to Hwi, having sisters like her will not replace him. Well said. 

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3 hours ago, hyunxing XD said:

I agree with you on this. Sunho’s character despite his flaws is great. There is a depth to his character and his back story along with his conflicts with his dad, his character is a lot more interesting. I expected hwi to change completely and his character to be more forceful / driven and ambitious after he was sent away forcefully but he hasn’t become that for me. His actions seem to be a result of the moment rather than an ambition for a cause. I can see the writer is trying to make him kinder and all but it sadly isn’t making him interesting enough. YSG is an amazing actor but I feel like writer isn’t helping him here 

 

Hmmm.. on the contrary, I feel like though Sunho's character might feel more appealing and somewhat unpredictable, I wasn't really impressed by WDH performance. I mean he is good, but not as much as I expected him to be. Before the drama I was really looking forward to the duo of YSJ and WDH, however I feel WDH acting is cold. On the other hand, though Hwi is the kind and good one here, he never failed to move me and let me cry with him whenever he shed tears. The guy is genius. He can make any role his own. 

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Of all the drama that is airing right now I'm really anticipating this one even though I didn't much care about it before airing and during promotion but I already knew that it would be great. It seems like I'm not gonna see Seon Ho's gorgeous long hair for a while since it would be covered by a hat tsktsk. I want all episodes out but at the same time I'm happy I have something to look forward to every week. Everything is so good so far especially with the acting, directing, and cinematography I can't wait for more. I hope when the medic man said that Seon Ho has to "drink 5 cups of poison if he ever wishes to die" is not a foreshadowing of what's gonna happen in the end especially considering the historical context :( 

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8 hours ago, mademoisellesia said:

 

As for Yi Bang Won, Wikipedia indicated that he killed/exiled many of his supporters that helped him ascend to the throne to strengthen the royal authority. He even killed his son, Sejong's in-law, to weaken the in-law's power. It reminds me of the talk of the "greater cause" (daeui) in episode 4 and that's why they say the king (or the leader of a country) is always lonely. They have to be good, do good, but they also have to be evil, make difficult decisions and sacrifice lives for the greater good when the circumstances called for it.

Yes, because Yi Bang Won believe in Ultimate Monarchy. We get the hint of it when he said to Nam Jeon that this new country is not his though he helped a lot but his father's country which makes it it is his country. As opposed to his father who believe more on democracy kind of ruling and he believes his devoted followers. These different ideology is what makes this father-son go against each other. 

 

8 hours ago, herina_90 said:

 

I actually saw some truth in this... the way she is now, the Yeon that Hwi knew has "died" as she has no memories of them. To some extent, this might be saving her from her painful memories, but when she does remember, she might be even more distraught that she forgot. Maybe Sun Ho wanted Hwi to truly not return so as to save his life, and also save Yeon's life by not coming back to remind her of the past. 

yup, we can see when he told Hwi Yeon is dead we get the flashback on the day he brought Yeon home and what Nam Jeon told him. He did that to save Hwi. His style might looks evil but he is protecting his friend in his own way

 

Done binge watch Ep 3 & 4. OMG this drama is getting better. In My opinion they cast the right actor to potray the kind hearted Hwi and the complicated Seon Ho. Yang Se Jong really good at moving viewers hearts during his sad scenes and Woo Do Hwan is doing great at making we keep questioning what is his motive and let us into his inner conflicts with his looks. His eye acting is on point. Like most of us here, I cannot hate him as I kind of understand where he is coming from. 

 

I want to know how this two will mend their 'broken friendship' and will jealousy plays a role later when Hui Jae gets into the picture. 

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That was a better episode but I really wish the ML would get some more colour to his character in the coming episodes and it would have been better for the story imo to have some of these flashbacks in earlier episodes.

 

I sort of miss how older shows used to do these dramas - with the first 3-5 episodes solely focusing on the characters growing up so you're really into the characters by the time all the big events come along

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Misunderstood...

I agree with some here that even ones actions might seem one way.  Yet if you look deeper at those roots that were formed between them long ago when they were just a couple of boys brought together by compassion and situations in how each of them suffered alone and even together.  It's not about the good and evil between them but in the real evil that surrounds them in others and the time in which they live...

At the sign up why did NSH stand out and protect SJ and his sister by threatening and telling who he was?

Because SJ is the only real friend he ever had and maybe the only real family.

Why did he choose SJ to join him and the general on that hunting day?

To make a way for him to compete and stand out to give him that chance he deserved.

Why did NSH send him off to the army?

Simply to get him as far away from his father and save his life.  For there was no other way to protect him when he can't even protect himself.

Why was NSH there hurting while watching SJ being taken away and getting his Sister to safety?

Because he knew SJ's only thoughts would be his sisters safety.

Why did he save SJ's life when he was sent there to kill all those there and took the sward  for him instead.

There is no greater love than laying ones life down for your brother.

Why did he tell SJ his sister was dead?

So that he wouldn't be hurt in knowing she didn't remember him and NSH knew she was safe where she was and he just wanted SJ to stay safe too. 

It may seem like one is good and the other is evil.

  But I don't think so, more like it's just misunderstandings instead of knowing what is underneath in either of their hearts.

For NSH showed his heart long ago as just a little boy who understood the loss of a parent.

In bringing clothes and digging a grave in the rain showing compassion to another little boy who lost his parent painfully too. 

It's for those very reasons that SJ got on his knees and carried NSH and saved him right back.

Some bonds although hidden that maybe can't be shown outwardly as such doesn't mean they aren't there.

No matter if they are near or far I am hoping their bond never brakes.

That they hold onto their memories and their friendship...

 

 

 

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@USAFarmgirl Spot on! I also wrote in an earlier post that WDH's character, Sun Ho, seems to only have two objectives and he is trying to balance it - to gain power so he can break free from his father's control, and to protect Hwi. All of his decisions so far have been to do both, and although he sent Hwi to war, it was to protect him because. It was between killing Hwi or sending Hwi to the battlefield.

 

I also agree with you on your thoughts why Sun Ho chose to tell Hwi that his sister is dead. 

 

I'm not saying Sun Ho is always right but that he is making decisions from his own perspective, which then leads to him hurting others like Hwi. Hwi, on the other hand, not only thinks of his own interests but also that of others. Overall, the history of their friendship, as shown so far, is just to precious. I hope they find a way in the future to make up and that none of them would have to sacrifice and die, but then again, who am I kidding? Someone's bound to die right and the series is going to be painful at one point. We just don't know who'll die and what sacrifices they're going to make. 

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11 hours ago, anony12345 said:

That was a better episode but I really wish the ML would get some more colour to his character in the coming episodes and it would have been better for the story imo to have some of these flashbacks in earlier episodes.

 

I sort of miss how older shows used to do these dramas - with the first 3-5 episodes solely focusing on the characters growing up so you're really into the characters by the time all the big events come along

We need to consider this drama has only 16 episodes. If it takes 3-5 episodes for character building, everything else will be a rush. Most saeguks has longer episodes (20-50 eps) so they have ample of time for character building and such. I think the drama did fair with the backstrory and character building for a 16 eps drama. The pace is also good. 

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38 minutes ago, msaamia said:

Is Jang Hyuk one of the main characters in this show? 

 

No, he is a supporting character. 

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