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[Drama 2019] The Devil Is Calling Your Name, 악마가 너의 이름을 부를 때

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13 hours ago, disembody said:

 

 

i don't think the show is going for this tbh and i don't think it would be expressly...mature writing. the reason you stated the 'taboo' theory proves that. it's less about the gap and the power imbalance which is HUGE in this case. part of the issue with ASIB was that power imbalance and the addiction and depression and their co morbidity rate. it lead to co-dependence and his loved ones failed him, including because of the surroundings. they both look young, but it would be a bizarre message esp in a show that seems to respect that age comes with way different experiences in life.

 

 

I honestly don't know what the show is going for. Which is part of the charm I imagine. ;) While I'm happy to have a bet each way, I'm not especially bothered how things progress in that area as long as some justification is given. 

Whatever else this drama might end up being, this is still a K drama and the power dynamics in most K romances are usually very imbalanced (mostly tipped in favour of the ML) except that it is often romanticized as a Cinderella story. Moreover the spoonful of sugar that makes the medicine go down is how the female lead is usually instrumental in affecting transformation in the male lead. Their eventual romance ends up with him becoming reliant on her.

 

Again... I'm not saying definitively that there will romance between the leads but I'm not discounting the possibility altogether because this show is odd and unpredictable. ;)

 

It's also instructive that YG has some leverage over HR except that she chooses not to use it. On top of that the drama demonstrates that HR needs YG as much she needs him... in fact, I'd venture to say that he needs her more than she needs him because his eternal soul is on the line.

 

Interestingly enough... the same kind of discussion came up in My Ajussi. I'm fine with a platonic male - female relationship... or an uncertain situation which could be left to the viewer's imagination. 

 

21 hours ago, triplem said:

 

Romance aside , i think what moved me more was when HR realised that his original works from the past are appreciated by someone. There was  this tinge of regret when he said that he would not have sold his soul if he even had someone like his music. So HR is not really after fame or fortune but rather appreciation for his songs.  

 

 

This is a really good point. But my feeling is that it was an afterthought, not necessarily something he consciously knew at the time. It was certainly why he was still writing songs even when he was at the end of his rope. The thing is he did have a fan... YG... but at the time he didn't realise what he really wanted was acknowledgment not the trappings of success. He only came to that realisation later sadly... after he had already made his deal with the devil. The fact that his success of the last 10 years was not of his doing made the whole thing feel even more hollow.

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46 minutes ago, 40somethingahjumma said:

 

I honestly don't know what the show is going for. Which is part of the charm I imagine. ;) While I'm happy to have a bet each way, I'm not especially bothered how things progress in that area as long as some justification is given. 

Whatever else this drama might end up being, this is still a K drama and the power dynamics in most K romances are usually very imbalanced (mostly tipped in favour of the ML) except that it is often romanticized as a Cinderella story. Moreover the spoonful of sugar that makes the medicine go down is how the female lead is usually instrumental in affecting transformation in the male lead. Their eventual romance ends up with him becoming reliant on her.

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This is a really good point. But my feeling is that it was an afterthought, not necessarily something he consciously knew at the time. It was certainly why he was still writing songs even when he was at the end of his rope. The thing is he did have a fan... YG... but at the time he didn't realise what he really wanted was acknowledgment not the trappings of success. He only came to that realisation later sadly... after he had already made his deal with the devil. The fact that his success of the last 10 years was not of his doing made the whole thing feel even more hollow.

yes very subjective and it also depends on the way you see the world. it's in the realm of possibility but i would personally find it very hm "unethical" within the set of rules the show has set up. but i think part of it is that we expect this whenever we see a man and woman on screen no matter the context. i also think that the show acknowledges that imbalance instead of pretends like it doesn't exist.

 

it's talking about a muse but in what context? as someone you can suck all their soul from while you reap the rewards? more often than not, this is a woman. it's no coincidence YK is a victim of domestic violence and found solace from someone via music. an older man, down on his luck, who has genius but someone who is better and can help you think deeper. so many women are ignored due to shine being stolen by a mentor or a partner or those who are both (which is even worse.) so far the show has heavily explained, at least the way i've interpreted it, that a muse is a pejorative. (i look at the writers other works--very female centric, very focused on autonomy and equity even if done not great. it definitely gives me an impression of this work.) 

 

i agree totally with "he needs her more than she needs him" and that's the conundrum really.

 

re what @triplem said and you quoted i think you've both got it on the nose. his fulfilment was being acknowledged for his work and talent but back then he didn't understand what that acknowledgement looked like. he had to have known there were fans, even one or two around back then and there were. on top of all the other everyday themes there's a look at the creative/artistic process and how we interpret it. he was about to let his whole life pass by even further by equating how big he is with the mark he left/has left/could leave (and i guess he did essentially) 

 

searching for sugarman is about a bunch of things, a big part of it is how music/art can literally change nations, but the fact that no one knew who this man was. this insanely popular artist whose music is almost integral to the anti-apartheid movement was unknown as an entity but his music spoke forever. it seems as if he affected no one, but he did both in his country (US) and outside of it. 

 

"if a tree falls in a forest, and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"'

 

the director of searching for sugarman commited suicide and here's a piece from the guardian about him. its' interesting to read his process and approach and sad to look at the ending of a life.  

 

the show certainly poses a lot of moral/ethical questions and the genuine-ness of a craft. i don't know if it always succeeds but it's definitely tapping into an unexplored type of presentation esp in kdramas

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16 hours ago, triplem said:

However if in Goblin  the grim reaper can fall in love, why not the devil here eh? :D

heh. Grim reaps in goblin basicly have human traits, and their old memories locked away. Ryu is another entity inhibiting human bodies. But...it can happen I guess. It happened to alien in You Who Came From the Stars. Hahaha

 

Anyways...I just realized my theory about Mo Tae Gyang being a grade 1 soul was wrong after ep 6. Ori MTG made a deal with Ryu and even stabbed the body Ryu was inhibiting back then. Eeeeepppp. I'm not sure if ori MTG is still alive or not. I think he's a zombie ala what happened to cat killer in ep 6.

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Official MV released by TVN, really like her voice 

BTS

Looking forward to whether Ha Rip will realise who YK was....

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So begins Ha Rip's redemption...

 

The opening sequence to Episode 7 was possibly one of my favourites in this drama so far. It was delightful, heartwarming and deeply moving. Two broken souls with a common love for music came together and gave each other sympathy as well as companionship. We now have a more fleshed out picture of how they met and inspired each other. So yeah, she is really his muse. I especially adored the scene where they both performed "The Street You Left" at a wedding with slightly different words I think (?). I am devoutly hoping and praying that that rendition will make its way to the OST album. Her enthusiastic suggestion that they become a singing duo called Right Atrium and Left Ventricle brought a grin to my face. :D The way she repaired his guitar with such care and got it working again was precious. I've been wondering what it is that HR is allegedly responsible for in terms of ruining YG's youth and dashing her dreams. I would have thought that a lot of YG's issues were of her highly dysfunctional upbringing with poor choices made by the older members of that clan which spiralled out of control. Then it occurred to me that perhaps it was the fact that he gave her hope as well as advice about how to deal with stepdad but then disappeared on her, completely forgetting her altogether leaving her to a life of desperation and social condemnation. I have my suspicions about the night the ashtray met stepdad's cranium. It wouldn't surprise me if someone else was responsible for the deed and YG took the fall. It's the sort of thing she would do.

Like I said last time, she was really that fan that he keeps wishing that he had but in his desperation for success he forgot.

 

This episode also gave us more of the devil's world. I thought it was interesting that he sees himself as the saviour of humanity. He sees it as his job... obligation even.. to do what he does as a "rescue" mission. His misanthropic, reductionist, extreme view of the world drives him to conduct these transactions. His arc will be to learn about the other side human beings. I don't particularly like his use/understanding of "hope". To me there's a difference between desire and hope. (Not sure if something's lost in translation) Certainly desire can lead to coveting and selfishness but hope is different. Hope is a longing when things are bad that there's light at the end of the tunnel. It's what keeps us going during the hard times. So yeah Mr Devil needs an education. I don't imagine the figure cloaked in white... his true adversary... was God. An angel perhaps. Something in the vein of Michael or Gabriel maybe? It could be the cafe and fishcake stall owner who presides over the affairs of humanity as protector. 

 

So now I eagerly await Right Atrium and Left Ventricle's first official collaboration.

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He sold his soul for his son Luka.67444233_515799049193537_323882938231899

And now if he refuse Luka will die:bawling:

It's difficult to choose between Luka(son) and Kelly .

Is there really any way he will survive in End.

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9 hours ago, RPM said:

He sold his soul for his son Luka.

And now if he refuse Luka will die:bawling:

It's difficult to choose between Luka(son) and Kelly .

Is there really any way he will survive in End.

Well with that I'm hoping there is some kind of twist because we know the Devil don't know all.  He tells part truths or leave stuff out sometime too.  What if Luka wasn't meant to die or still could survive regardless.

 

Also, sometime sacrifice is the greatest act and maybe that act is the key in HR saving himself.

 

The devil also has his own lessons to learn. 1. He was not abandoned.  2. Humans are more complicated than he thinks and once he learned this he will start to suffer.  (Maybe he'll also have a change of heart)

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When the Devil Calls Your Name: Episode 7

by LollyPip

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Today’s episode is all about secrets — the harm they can do and the lives they can ruin. Even a demon can have painful secrets goading him into action, and the most innocent people can carry secrets that keep them from moving forward. But the most interesting thing about secrets is that they can grant freedom when held up to the light, if only one has the courage to let them go.

http://www.dramabeans.com/2019/08/when-the-devil-calls-your-name-episode-7/

 

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Is Lucca really HR's son? I suppose the evidence does seem to point in that direction but I like to keep my options open... considering how twisty everything is. ;) I am a bit confused by his age. The ex said that he was 16 (according to the subs) the first time and then we're told later that he's 10. 10 seems right from what we saw in the hospital room. 

 

The past is rather more complicated and far messier than previously thought. I had the impression that we had been given all the details about the original transaction between SDC and the CEO on the plane but apparently not. So does that mean that the paternity of Lucca is still in doubt? ;) 

 

On some level HR ruined his YG's life with his irresponsible behaviour (so there was a lot more to that assault incident with the stepdad which begs the question of whether there's more to be revealed). And yet I don't entirely despise HR/SDC because he wanted so much to play music and be heard. Often I find his lack of self-awareness and his treatment of YG galling... but I understand the desperation too. It's a hard place for creative people. They follow a different drumbeat. All he wanted to do was keep writing music and find an audience for his music. Sadly the world had moved on but he couldn't. I guess this is what the devil was saying about human passions causing them to be greedy, selfish and desperate. it's a good question. How many of us get to do something we love and earn a decent living from it? To balance all of that with family responsibilities. Not too many. It can be frustrating though watching HR move one step forward and then go back two steps.

 

I have been wondering for some time why it is that SDC didn't remember much about the past and why it's hard but this last episode cleared up a few details. I wondered too why people didn't recognize him until now. I imagine it's the devil's fiddling. 

 

There are a couple of people I'd like to punch... Lee Cheong Ryul and Ryu in particular. But frankly, a lot of SDC's problems were of his own making. It was his choices and he has to front up to them. He ran away from the past to find success but his success is turning into a farce. And you know, Ryu said it, human beings have free will and that also includes HR so things might not turn out the way Mr Devil anticipates.

 

Haha... apparently the fishcake stall owner is the devil's dad... so is he God? Or what ?

 

I thought the last couple of episodes were quite good. Felt like the show really turned the corner after a longish set-up.  Ah well, trust Kdramaland to turn a Faustian story into a soap opera. :P But I'm not throwing my hands up in the air. I'm interested. I really want to know how HR gets out of this mess. If he does. ;)

 

I should also mention that I really enjoy how flashbacks are used in this drama. It's one of the few dramas I've watched that I find the flashbacks a highlight and actually nicely integrated to the story. Here it's almost like watching a time travel story without anybody actually time travelling... so far... :)

 

New song's great!

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Oh My GOD!!! Abeoji!!!! No pun intended.....:sweat_smile: On side note, the songs are awesome!!

 

The story and character's development and back story are heart wrenching.....:bawling: Those actors' deliveries are awesome....:scream:

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Looks like every character in this drama have their own story . For example Ha Rip's friend, Yi kyung's friend, coffee shop owner, and etc. 

I love how the drama slowly reveals their real identity. 

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WTDCYN is a wonderful drama supported with great actors and beautiful ost. I am stump of why such low ratings??? What's happening with Korean's taste in drama??? Is it because of the airing time??? :persevere:

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On 8/23/2019 at 11:09 AM, 40somethingahjumma said:

Haha... apparently the fishcake stall owner is the devil's dad... so is he God? Or what ?

 

Ryu`s dad saved a life. He is close to Yi-Kyung, watching her. WHY?  I am curious to see the confrontation between Ryu and his dad, their story. They are not on good terms with each other.

 

I laughed when the fishcake stall owner mentioned Seo Dong-Cheon`s name when Ha Rip came. He was surprised like I was. :lol:

 

I am curious about Kang Ha`s story, how it is connected with Ha Rip.

I cried when I saw what Chief Kang asked the Devil. How did his daughter die? It is connected with Kang Ha`s story?

 

Ha Rip`s situation is getting more complicated. Now he has to resolve not only Yi-Kyung`s situation  but his own son`s. I think eventually  Ha Rip will agree to give his life to save them but it will be possible? 

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When the Devil Calls Your Name: Episode 8

by LollyPip

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Until now, our grouchy musician has been assuming he holds all the cards when it comes to guiding his new muse to fame and glory. Unfortunately for him, his muse has a mind of her own, and she’s not about to be told what to do when it comes to her own music. He’s also remembering more and more of the past and how he and his muse are connected, and it’s making it a lot more difficult to plan her downfall when he realizes that it wouldn’t be the first time for either of them.

 

 
EPISODE 8 RECAP

 

more http://www.dramabeans.com/2019/08/when-the-devil-calls-your-name-episode-8/

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When the devil calls your name, Park Sung-woong and Kim Won-hae, what is the hidden story of the devil?

 

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Mo Tae Kang (Park Sung-woong) and Gong Soo-rae (Kim Won-hae) capture the face of the meeting. The hidden story between the mysterious identity of Karate and the devil amplifies curiosity.

https://sedaily.com/NewsView/1VN576WW7Y

 

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Posted (edited)

I finished ep.9 with Engsub, a wonderful episode. I  love and love this drama so far, music graceful. Maybe just WDCYN will be my Best drama 2019.

 

Jung Kyung Ho never make me disappointed. I watched his dramas from Time Between Dog and Wolf, and then I were fascinated by his character - HoDong Prince of Ja Myung Go ( It's my favorite drama). Every one of his characters is always charming and profound, even though being a cowardly or dishonorable initially. JKH has always played great characters that kept me focused on drama.

 

PS: I hope to write more but my english is too bad.

 

 

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