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3 hours ago, kumakumo said:

.....I'm not trying to say that Eunho isn't a culprit or responsible for the deaths, but for me this is more about getting justice for him as a victim of Red Cry himself.....

 

 

I just had to clip out this statement because I think it's so interesting and insightful.  

 

Although I have not wanted to see LEH as a killer, I must admit that I failed to see him as a victim of Red Cry.  That is a very important point.

 

Red Cry's victims are not only the people that it has killed but also those who have to live with the trauma of what Red Cry has done.  Red Cry may have good intentions at first but the consequences are racking up and any potential good is spiralling downward.  Something like Red Cry must inevitably do more harm than good.

 

 

..............editing so that I won't post after myself.

 

Quoting from my own earlier post:

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that we watch out for and protect children in jeopardy; this means being cautious to exercise common sense as to what is and what is not abuse (like the current ridiculous epidemic of social services reports here in the US where parents have been jailed simply for allowing their children outside alone or for allowing them to walk to school)

 

I happened to see an article just now on the BBC with this headline:

Police quiz dad after baby fed hot sauce

 

Isn't that a "click bait" title!?  In reading the article, however, I saw that not only was the title overblown but so was the report that was made to the police.  The incident was NOT abuse to the child but the repercussions could actually be seen as abusive to the parents!  

 

Here's a quote from the article:

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(The father) said he was at a branch of TGI Fridays when he took hold of (the baby) to allow his partner to eat her food.

 

After wiping his hands on a napkin, he then put a knuckle in Ben's mouth to pacify him.

 

The baby made a "funny face", but did not scream or cry, he said.

 

Mr Dawson later wrote on Facebook: "Apparently five-day-old babies don't like it when their dads put their fingers in their mouths after eating hot wings. Unintentionally by the way. Lol."

 

Three days later police knocked on his door to ask if he had been feeding Ben hot sauce.

 

It is in making reports like this that we run the risk of becoming Red Cry.  

 

 

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@thistle I agree. Red Cry, while driven by a worthy cause, is ultimately flawed in its very execution. While extremities taken may appear necessary particularly with so much red tape that hinders rather than aids, its choice to take the law into its own hands, pronouncing itself judge, jury and executioner, and making those who are rescued potentially complicit in that choice subverts the very good that comes out of it. Can decent people pushed to the brink, like Sora and Siwan's mothers, and even LEH, ever truly recover from the guilt of their decisions and actions, despite knowing it was one made in desperation? I cannot believe it possible unless they never had a moral compass to begin with.

 

Was rewatching the end of Ep3, and my heart ached immeasurably to see how LEH tensed up in fearful anticipation when CWK strode towards him in anger, and his shocked gasps as he reeled from her slap. Knowing now what we do about his history of abuse, it pained me all the more, since his body language indicated that despite knowing what was coming, he could no more avoid nor prevent it from happening, and merely accepted it as his due :tears: 

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@kumakumo I do definitely understand wanting justice for Eunho himself, and I hope the show gives it to us, especially if his brother was the one who pressured him down the path that he ended up taking, because he's just as much of a victim as the other people who have died because of Red Cry's crusade. My problem with not taking the flashbacks having to do with Red Cry and the murders at least mostly at face value is that if you do that, then you by association have to question every single other flashback we've seen thus far as well. Did Jiheon really have a child at some point? Are Wookyung's recollections about baby!Sekyung accurate? I don't really see anyone questioning those, but if we can't trust the flashbacks about the murders, then how do we know the show isn't messing with us concerning those as well? Either the flashbacks are a reliable source of information, or they're not, we can't have it both ways. Unless the show establishes from the start that every single person is an unreliable narrator, and that flashbacks change depending on who's telling them (as some shows and movies have actually done), then I think it's a safer bet to say that flashbacks are a reliable source of information, meant to clue the audience in to specific key events so that they can have a more accurate picture of what's going on.

 

Because that's the thing with mysteries. Yes, you want to keep the audience on their toes and constantly second-guessing themselves, but at the same time, you want them to feel like they have all the pieces of the puzzle, that they can solve the mystery themselves if only they look hard enough, and if it turns out they were wrong in the end, they at least go "oooh, well, that makes sense, I can't believe I missed that, it was right in front of me all along!" Like the huge twist in the Sixth Sense. All the clues pointing to the reveal are given to the audience all throughout the movie, so when it happens, it comes as a big "AHA!" moment, rather than a "wait, what? That doesn't make any sense, where did this come from?" moment. So I really don't think that deliberately psyching the audience out with the murder flashbacks would be a wise decision on the part of the writer. It actually would come across not only as bad writing in general, but especially bad mystery writing.

 

I agree about Eunho not being the one to kill the dog butcher, though. Like, he still could have done it, not discounting the possibility because I don't trust the writer as far as I can throw her, but as I've said elsewhere, if you look at the murders you can attribute to Eunho, i.e. Hana's mom, Sora's dad, the head director, they were all deaths by asphyxiation. Asthma attack for Hana's mom, carbon monoxide poisoning for Sora's dad, suffocation for the head director. All relatively quick, painless deaths, as far as deaths go. No violent altercations or torture involved. Those seem way more like someone like Eunho's style rather than the death the dog butcher had. That's another thing, though; we never see Eunho kill the head director. We don't see camera footage, or anything like that, yet I have not heard one person say "Well, he didn't actually kill him, someone else came in and did it and Eunho is only saying that he did!" Like, no, we all know he did it, even though we didn't see it. Why then would it be so hard to extrapolate that he also committed at least a couple of the other murders as well, especially if the series showed him kill them? If we all know he killed the head director, then why is it so hard to believe that he might have also killed a couple other people, albeit quickly and relatively painlessly?

 

As for the shoes, I think @liddi posted some pictures of the pictures the police took of the shoes they recovered from Eunho's room, and the laces were indeed tied differently. Those were the head director's shoes. However, I don't discount the possibility of an accomplice also having a pair of those same shoes to hide the fact that there were multiple people at the farm, or something being hidden in the director's shoes (though you'd think the police would have already found it if that was the case).

 

Not sure about the poems or what the writer was trying to convey by using them, tbh. It could possibly be that Eunho picked them because they were sad, and he recognized the tragedy of the situation while still believing that the culprits had to pay for their crimes, but that's just conjecture. It's not like Jiheon or Wookyung can ask Eunho about it now, either way. Maybe the writer wants the audience to decide for themselves what the poems mean. *shrug*

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45 minutes ago, liddi said:

Was rewatching the end of Ep3, and my heart ached immeasurably to see how LEH tensed up in fearful anticipation when CWK strode towards him in anger, and his shocked gasps as he reeled from her slap. Knowing now what we do about his history of abuse, it pained me all the more, since his body language indicated that despite knowing what was coming, he could no more avoid nor prevent it from happening, and merely accepted it as his due :tears: 

 

Ugh, I know, that scene hurts my heart every time I remember it. :tears: He doesn't step back out of arm's reach, he doesn't retaliate, he doesn't even cry out, he just stands there and takes it in silence. In fact, he seems shocked when she doesn't continue hitting him. Knowing what we know now about his background, my heart breaks for him all the more. At least she had the good graces to apologize to him later for it (something he was definitely not used to, I'm sure), but still, he didn't deserve that. At all.

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14 minutes ago, cyan5tarlight said:

.....deaths by asphyxiation. Asthma attack for Hana's mom, carbon monoxide poisoning for Sora's dad, suffocation for the head director. All relatively quick, painless deaths, as far as deaths go.....

 

As a person who suffers from asthma and other respiratory problems, I kinda disagree about asphyxia being painless.  Being unable to breathe is painful, and it is terrifying.

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9 minutes ago, thistle said:

As a person who suffers from asthma and other respiratory problems, I kinda disagree about asphyxia being painless.  Being unable to breathe is painful, and it is terrifying.

 

My mistake then, I apologize. I don't know anyone with asthma or respiratory problems, so my experience with/knowledge of the condition is limited. :sweatingbullets: My point was that it seemed like Hana's mother expired quite quickly when the inhaler was withheld from her, and Sora's father was so sloshed that he didn't feel a thing when he suffocated to death, so it wasn't like Eunho was trying to make them suffer or prolong their deaths. That's all I was really trying to say.

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23 minutes ago, cyan5tarlight said:

My mistake then, I apologize. I don't know anyone with asthma or respiratory problems, so my experience with/knowledge of the condition is limited.  My point was that it seemed like Hana's mother expired quite quickly when the inhaler was withheld from her, and Sora's father was so sloshed that he didn't feel a thing when he suffocated to death, so it wasn't like Eunho was trying to make them suffer or prolong their deaths. That's all I was really trying to say.

 

All is well, no misunderstandings taken.  :)  I'm very, very glad that no one in your life has had to deal with this problem.  

 

I agree about Sora's dad.  He wouldn't have known much about it.  And I very much agree that LEH would not have wanted anyone to suffer.

 

I actually had an issue with the staging of the scene of Ha Na's mother's death because it was much too fast.  She would have suffered for quite a long time without the inhaler, unless maybe she was having allergic anaphylaxis along with the asthma attack and that was never mentioned. 

 

When a person is having an asthma attack, the inhaler will ease the symptoms but not necessarily alleviate them; breathing treatments at a hospital may be necessary for that.  Even without an inhaler, it is possible to get enough oxygen to stay conscious for a very long time.  But the harder it is to breathe, the more it hurts because the victim will continue to struggle in desperation trying to get even just one more breath.

 

 

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The issue about the shoes...

Thought it was just to show that he had taken the director's shoes and planted the bloodied ones in the director's home

The director n him had very distinct ways of tying the shoes.

So he later returned the director's clean shoes with the note...to indicate that the bloodied shoes were placed in the home and were not the director's. 

Now i just need to rewatch the scene when the cracked piece of the cctv fell from the sneakers in eunho's room...how were they laced...if they were laced in eunho's way... then there is a 3rd person in hana's dad's killing 

 

 

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@mushforbrains The sneakers with the cracked CCTV piece JSY found in LEH's room are Director Song's shoes (note the way the shoes are laced). This makes sense since these are the only shoes the police ever found prior to discovering the bloodied shoes in the director's home.

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9 hours ago, thistle said:

I actually had an issue with the staging of the scene of Ha Na's mother's death because it was much too fast.  She would have suffered for quite a long time without the inhaler, unless maybe she was having allergic anaphylaxis along with the asthma attack and that was never mentioned.  

  

When a person is having an asthma attack, the inhaler will ease the symptoms but not necessarily alleviate them; breathing treatments at a hospital may be necessary for that.  Even without an inhaler, it is possible to get enough oxygen to stay conscious for a very long time.  But the harder it is to breathe, the more it hurts because the victim will continue to struggle in desperation trying to get even just one more breath. 


 I was wondering about that myself, actually! Even to my uneducated eyes, it did seem like she went down... really quick. I chalk it up to artistic license and the drama not wanting to make us sit through 10 minutes of her wheezing and choking and gagging. The reason I say this is because I watched a drama where someone got strangled to death on screen once, and it was over in, like, 15 seconds. It takes waaaay longer to choke someone to death in real life, I looked it up. So yeah, either she was also having an allergic reaction to something (quite possible, given all the dust and mold that was likely in such an environment), or the drama didn't want to make us watch a woman die for 20 mins straight. Or, I mean, could be both. *le shrug*

I have so much anxiety from that teaser, tho, ngl. :crazy: I have a feeling Wookyung mayyyyy be about to do something she'll regret regarding Stepmom. Don't do it, girl, resist the urge! Stay strong!

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I wonder if there's a reason why CWK is wearing a red coat all of a sudden. From what I recall, she has mostly gone for pretty neutral coats up till now?

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Wow... intense preview! Does the red symbolise CWK's acceptance of Red Cry's ideology? From the looks of it, she is trying hard to find little CSK's body, and perhaps demanding her stepmother reveals the whereabouts and receive her judgment. As for YTJ, his cold, flippant attitude during the interrogation when questioned in conjunction with LEH pretending to be Red Cry in his place, could either be his mask to the outside world, or his true colours on how he views LEH :( Is it Wednesday already? However it ends, please let it maintain its standard of excellence. Definitely going to miss this drama when it ends...

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"What will you do when you found your sister's body? Will you pass a judgement to your stepmom?"

 

" Let's go home mom. There is someone you must meet"

 

Who? Dead or alive? Aaaaaaa... I don't want to think of anything :weary:

I just want to wait for Wednesday, and sit back and enjoy the final episode. :relieved:

 

Okay, bye. See you'all again on Wednesday :glasses:

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I have two lines of thought on this, if CWK turns to Red Cry or becomes Red Cry for punishment, I will be so disgusted and disappointed. If she is going to become Red Cry, it would be funny to see what punishment she's going to give her husband.

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All I can say is, if this show ends on a downer or completely open ended note, I'm going to compose several angry letters to the writer. :angry: I mean, I'd hope they wouldn't do that and give us some sort of satisfying resolution while still keeping a few things open ended, but you never know. Too many dramas have crashed and burned during their last episode for me to feel completely at ease right now.

 

I'm... really worried about Wookyung right now, tbh. Multiple people have pointed out how she's wearing a red coat in some of the shots when she's mostly worn neutral colors throughout the whole drama, and the way she carries herself and speaks to the stepmother... it really has warning bells going off in my head. :crazy: I really hope someone will be able to pull her back from the edge before she swan dives right off of it. Maybe little brain ghost Sekyung will show up one more time, like she did when Wookyung was thinking about running over Sukwoo's mom. Perhaps it will be Jiheon, where he finally tells Wookyung what happened to his own child (since that's a plot thread that never went anywhere and needs some resolution). Either way, I really hope the series doesn't end with her taking up the mantle of Red Cry and carrying on his crusade, because that would feel like a huge letdown for sure. And I mean, Jiheon is no fool; if Eunho is dead and YTJ is behind bars, and Red Cry STILL is going after people, who is he going to suspect first? It'd be a short second season, is all I'm saying.

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The more I think about it, the more concerned I am that there is no way Children of Nobody can tie up every thread satisfactorily within just one episode.  <_<  And I want answers!  I want ALL the answers. 

 

They better not just give us a White Truck of Doom or a time jump.  :angry:

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@thistle I agree. I can't see any way the drama can tie up all the loose ends. Based on Kim Sun Ah's message to the director, I believe there will be unanswered questions (at least sufficient to justify a sequel), but at least please give us closure with regards to the main arcs in this season. More than anything, I am afraid of plotholes in the finale, reminiscent of the writer's previous work.

 

And yes, I concur with everyone that for CWK to totally give in to her dark side would defeat the message that the drama should be trying to deliver - that one does not have to be dictated by the past, that one can choose to rise above it, and find hope even in the bleakest of situations. I think at the critical moment, CWK's guardian angel will appear once more... and save her from losing herself completely to the hell that threatens to engulf her once more.

 

One more hour! Do you think we will get an extended episode, as is the norm in other dramas I've seen?

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19 minutes ago, liddi said:

One more hour! Do you think we will get an extended episode, as is the norm in other dramas I've seen?

 

I really wish we would but the ratings have been low on this drama so it seems unlikely that the production team would risk the expense of making an extension or another episode or a second season.  That really is too bad.  The writing on this drama has been excellent, and the cast have given it all they've got.

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1 hour ago, liddi said:

And yes, I concur with everyone that for CWK to totally give in to her dark side would defeat the message that the drama should be trying to deliver - that one does not have to be dictated by the past, that one can choose to rise above it, and find hope even in the bleakest of situations. I think at the critical moment, CWK's guardian angel will appear once more... and save her from losing herself completely to the hell that threatens to engulf her once more.

 

 One more hour! Do you think we will get an extended episode, as is the norm in other dramas I've seen?

I'd rather that CWK decide how to act on her own without the little guardian angel appearing or influencing her. That will be more powerful for me. 

 

I doubt there will be extension. We would have heard of it by now if there is. 

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