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Haha! at everyone's reactions to THE KISS :wub: I'm going to try to be strong and not watch any clips and wait until I can watch at least the whole raw episode :lol:

 

In the meantime, i'm going to respond to @bebebisous33 interesting theory

1 hour ago, bebebisous33 said:

@taeunfighting Right from the episode 3, it became clear to me that there was a third person helping OYC. Why? Because of this scene... (episode 3; 42:45)

 

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SJU visits the place where OYC's father used to live. There, we hear from the villagers that the father was proud of his son because OYC became a doctor. Secondly, the father got upset, when OYC became the murder suspect of his wife. These remarks underline that the father would do anything for his son as he was his pride. Finally, we also hear that the father passed away 5 years ago.

 

Yet, from what we saw, the person revived by the abyss take the appearance of their soul. And here is my supposition: OYC took the form of his father. However, from what we saw, GSY took the appearance of LMD, although the latter is not dead. It is the same case for SJU. All this leads me to the conclusion that the body of OYC's father, GSY and CM are still alive, hidden somewhere... 

 

Strangely, SJU had no idea about the existence of the father, although he knew that OYC was his father. Another clue that SJU was linked to abyss appeared very early. Remember that the glass shone, when SJU came closer to CM at the hospital. The abyss recognized that SJU had been revived by the abyss and took the appearance of the chief prosecutor's son. That's why HJ can not recognize him as he doesn't look like her older brother, while HJ hasn't changed much. SJU has been observing HJ for a long time and knew who she was. 

 

In my opinion, the chief prosecutor is well aware that the actual prosecutor is not his son but he has been forced to acknowledged him as his son. I suspect that the chief prosecutor has been blackmailed. Remember OYC's words to the detective: he killed the husband who was abusing his wife. So maybe the chief prosecutor hurt his son and out of fear (scandal), he was proposed this deal: OYC's son would take the appearance of his own son. But the deal can not come from SJU nor from OYC. It looks like SJU has no idea how he came back to life, just like his father OYC. The latter only discovered its existence and power much later. Furthermore, SJU received a message about GSY and visited her grave where he discovered that it was empty. Back then, he had no idea and the sender of this message can not be OYC.

 

 

As conclusion, there is someone else working with OYC. Another clue for this theory is this scene from the episode 4:  The doctor makes the call and I doubt that it was SJU's phone number.  "You made a mistake which is very unusual of you". This is what the person over the phone said. The person seems to be well informed about the discovery: the fingerprint doesn't change. It happened right after the murder of CM therefore this person is working for the police or the prosecutor office. Then right after, the supposed body of CM was found. The DNA, the picture and the comparison of CM's jaw were quickly delivered. I doubt that SJU could have been able to have access to it. Besides, SJU declared to his official father that he never leaked any info to the media and this time, I have the impression that he was definitely telling the truth. From my point of view, all these evidences prove that this third person is pretty powerful and must be close to CM's family/business. OYC treats his daughter as a tool and this third person is acting like him, using people like his pawns. My theory is that the mastermind is OYC's father who is living under a different identity.  

 

On the other hand, OYC knew all along that SJU was his son hence he felt protected. Nevertheless, I doubt that SJU protected him as he loved him, I think, he was asked to take care of him (SJU's grandfather would be the perfect answer). But since OYC disliked his father (he claimed to be an orphan), this would explain why the other person never revealed his true identity. From my perspective, there has been a competition between OYC and SJU created by the grandfather/father: who will be the perfect murderer? Don't forget that both, father and son, are talking about murder as if it was a battle, a game: winning/losing.

 

To summarize, the third person is the mastermind and I have the impression that this person had two goals in mind: he wanted to find his true heir and secondly to become rich/powerful through his relatives (SJU/HJ). Furthermore, we shouldn't forget that there must be another abyss and the owner of the second abyss was the one who revived OYC's son.

 

And his original target was CM: the heir of Lan cosmetics... HJ got a new identity and was asked to marry CM. But because she feared for CM's life, she decided to run away and OYC was sent there to catch her before leaving the country.

 

Let me know what you think... 

First, of all i really admire the thought you have put into this.  Well done!

I agree with you there is a third accomplice. As you have pointed out there have been a few instances where it didn't seem like it was possible for either Seo or YC to be the culprits so I think you are on to something that there may be a third accomplice.  I don't know if it is the original grandfather YC because I think it is somebody younger.  Who was the person who took HJ away from the airport? Who was the person who nailed SY's coffin shut? The phonecalls YC makes? We still don't know what the strange phone calls and gifts that Seo was receiving at the start of the drama were about or who they were from either, do we?  Who planted the evidence on CM? and, again, as you pointed out Shady Seo was very adamant that he wasn't the one who leaked to the media either.

 

About Seo possibly having knowledge of the Abyss or even being a revived soul himself.  That is very interesting because a few of us wondered the same thing in the episode where he went to dig up SY's grave.  Because we wondered why he would even think to go and check on her body if he didn't know about the potential of her being brought back to life? 

 

I also agree the chief prosecutor knows Seo isn't his son and seems to be being blackmailed or under some sort of duress.  He definitely knows more about the history of the crimes and seems to be covering something up or covering for someone?

 

i'm not sure about HJ being used as bait specifically to get to CM as she has a track record of defrauding men and it was SY who introduced them.  I would think if she was aiming for CM specifically she would have gone for a more direct method than start working in his first love's chicken shop and hope SY would match-make them!

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4 minutes ago, ᎷᏋᏝᎥ said:

Well she actually asked him if she can kiss him  (since he hesitated , she started pulling one of his arm and  ofc  kissing him ) 

after  she covered her face with the blanket ofc and he kissed her

It was a cute moment 

 

Yes...hahaha...just watched the clip and she did ask :D. I love how straightforward SY is. I always know she'll be the first to initiate it :wub:.

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By the way guys is it just me or it's the first time I saw Cha Min wear a colorful clothes lol so far I can remember him weariny black and white only lol

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Why did she ask him to kiss her? Did they already confessed to each other? Hurray for the beautiful kissing scene. Hope there are many more to come :wub:

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3 minutes ago, raziela said:

Haha! at everyone's reactions to THE KISS :wub: I'm going to try to be strong and not watch any clips and wait until I can watch at least the whole raw episode :lol:

 

In the meantime, i'm going to respond to @bebebisous33 interesting theory

First, of all i really admire the thought you have put into this and I agree with you there is a third accomplice. As you have pointed out there have been a few instances where it didn't seem like it was possible for either Seo or YC to be the culprits so I think you are on to something that there may be a third accomplice.  I don't know if it is the original grandfather YC because I think it is somebody younger.  Who was the person who took HJ away from the airport? Who was the person who nailed SY's coffin shut? The phonecalls YC makes? We still don't know what the strange phone calls and gifts that Seo was receiving at the start of the drama were about or who they were from either, do we?  Who planted the evidence on CM? and, again, as you pointed out Shady Seo was very adamant that he wasn't the one who leaked to the media either.

 

About Seo possibly having knowledge of the Abyss or even being a revived soul himself.  That is very interesting because a few of us wondered the same thing in the episode where he went to dig up SY's grave.  Because we wondered why he would even think to go and check on her body if he didn't know about the potential of her being brought back to life? 

 

I also agree the chief prosecutor knows Seo isn't his son and seems to be being blackmailed or under some sort of duress.  He definitely knows more about the history of the crimes and seems to be covering something up or covering for someone?

 

i'm not sure about HJ being used as bait specifically to get to CM as she has a track record of defrauding men and it was SY who introduced them.  I would think if she was aiming for CM specifically she would have gone for a more direct method than start working in his first love's chicken shop and hope SY would match-make them!

I can understand your objection, but SY is known to be CM's closest friend. If HJ had approached CM directly, the mother would have been suspicious. However, the fact that she was introduced to CM through GSY had an impact on CM's mother. The latter might have not really like HJ but since she knew GSY as a serious and honest person, she had less reason to doubt HJ's personality. Don't you find it weird the timing of GSY's murder too?

She was also killed, when she was showing some sign of "depression" after receiving the wedding invitation? SJU seemed to be very interested in her and her feelings all this time. First, we all thought, he was interested in her. But since he killed her, we can assume that he never really loved her. So why show so much interest in GSY's life/love life? The moment HJ called off the wedding, GSY had a second chance to see CM in a different light and confess her feelings for him. OYC killed HJ as he had no use of her. She represented a thread, yet why was she kept in the first place before her departure?  SJU could have had another reason to kill GYS, not just cover up the identity of the serial killer. Notice that SJU went to her place after OYC hurt her. So far, OYC has always been meticulous in his killing.

 

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OMO...OMO...OMO...

Will resist watching until I can get the full episode with subs!

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preview ep9

clips from ep8

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31 minutes ago, jasminssiii said:

By the way guys is it just me or it's the first time I saw Cha Min wear a colorful clothes lol so far I can remember him weariny black and white only lol

No, you're right :D..it is the first time. First time wearing a casual one...ha ha.

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The scene between CM and Hee jin(HJ) before Se yeon woke up in hospital

 

 

HJ:OPPA...How is unnie?Tbh I didn't knew it will go this far.I didn't have a choice, my mom was in danger.

CM:LEAVE!TAKE THIS AND LEAVE(money)...Tell me what you still need and I will send it to you.

HJ:OPPA

CM:You got close to me for a reason anyways...I will give you as much money you wish but please leave..Don't show in front of me and Se yeon again..Do you understand?

CM: BC OF YOU.. (a long sentence that I can't catch with my poor korean sorry ....)

HJ:Se yeon could've died the 2nd time.So please dissapear from my sight.Leave!LEAVE FAST!

SY:(*just woke up after the surgery*): Where she should go ?

 

 

 

(sorry for my mistakes too , it's the first time I  do this lol ...my korean and english aren't as good too)

All the respect to the recappers too like how you people can watch it and translate or SS it in the same time damn *even post here*( not talking about  lagging , or links don't work or just stop working in the middle of it)

 

 

 

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OMG! THEY KISSED! YES YES YES YES!!!!

Now I'm going to go watch the episodes. Lol. 

I'm soo glad that it got revealed to detective park that she's GSY and the real LMD showed up.

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Way to go Cha Min!

Woohoo....

Plus this song when they kissed.

 

 

 

*Just watched Ep 8*

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I'm loving everybody's reactions.  Looks like the kiss didn't disappoint expectations :lol: 

3 hours ago, jasminssiii said:

By the way guys is it just me or it's the first time I saw Cha Min wear a colorful clothes lol so far I can remember him weariny black and white only lol

It is the first time.  Same for SY too because since she became Mi Do she only wears neutral colours (black, white, beige, brown, khaki). Maybe it's to reflect happiness or that they are finally in the same place with their feelings for each other :heart: 

2 hours ago, ᎷᏋᏝᎥ said:

The scene between CM and Hee jin(HJ) before Se yeon woke up in hospital

Thank you so much for translating.  It's appreciated!  Min got so angry at the end that he woke up SY!

 

2 hours ago, bebebisous33 said:

I can understand your objection, but SY is known to be CM's closest friend. If HJ had approached CM directly, the mother would have been suspicious. However, the fact that she was introduced to CM through GSY had an impact on CM's mother. The latter might have not really like HJ but since she knew GSY as a serious and honest person, she had less reason to doubt HJ's personality. Don't you find it weird the timing of GSY's murder too?

She was also killed, when she was showing some sign of "depression" after receiving the wedding invitation? SJU seemed to be very interested in her and her feelings all this time. First, we all thought, he was interested in her. But since he killed her, we can assume that he never really loved her. So why show so much interest in GSY's life/love life? The moment HJ called off the wedding, GSY had a second chance to see CM in a different light and confess her feelings for him. OYC killed HJ as he had no use of her. She represented a thread, yet why was she kept in the first place before her departure?  SJU could have had another reason to kill GYS, not just cover up the identity of the serial killer. Notice that SJU went to her place after OYC hurt her. So far, OYC has always been meticulous in his killing.

I think you have explained your reasoning very well and I do agree with some of your points. For other parts I'm not sure how much of it is writing with intent and how much of it is just poor writing or directing lol! 

I do agree that SY introducing HJ was more likely to make Min's Mum accept her

I think the timing of SY's murder was because she was getting too close to figuring out the real killer. She had just gone to visit YC at the hospital and had dropped lots of hints to Shady Seo that she know who the killer was.

I also agree it is suspicious that he visited her home after YC and unusual YC wasn't as meticulous as usual in his murders.I thought YC kept HJ in case she might be useful and possibly the plan was already forming to frame Min for HJ's murder.  Or maybe YC was just being controlling because HJ dared to try to escape his control.  It would be so much simpler if HJ was just honest with them for once! 

I just don't see SJU making the emotional leap that just because CM was no longer engaged that would mean SY might suddenly realise her feelings for him when even SY herself hadn't considered it.

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Oh shoot. I was staying off the thread and trying not to see any spoilers before I watch both of this week's episodes with my friend. But now I'm scrolling through Insta and see they were kissing in bed! Otoke. How do I not spoil myself now?? 

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44 minutes ago, jasminssiii said:

The kissing scene clip is top 1 on naver tv right now :wub: 

That makes me happy!  It was one of the sweetest and most romantic kiss scenes I've seen in a long time :wub:

4 hours ago, lingx2 said:

EP9 Preview

4 hours ago, 0ly40 said:

preview ep9

Sorry but can Hee Jin just go away, please? That whole family, tbh :rolleyes:

2 hours ago, Dramanoona said:

Way to go Cha Min!

Woohoo....

Plus this song when they kissed

:lol: Hahaha! I think it should be "Way to go Se Yeon for plucking up the courage to initiate the kiss.  She was so cute with just her big eyes peeking out when she was lying in the bed. Then "Way to go Chan Min" for taking the initiative after SY kissed him :kiss_wink:

It is a beautiful song.  This drama has a really nice OST and musical cues.

 

50 minutes ago, turtlegirl said:

Oh shoot. I was staying off the thread and trying not to see any spoilers before I watch both of this week's episodes with my friend. But now I'm scrolling through Insta and see they were kissing in bed! Otoke. How do I not spoil myself now?? 

:D Don't worry! SY was injured so the kiss was hot but things stayed PG :flushed:

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Seriously, I have a good laugh watching ep 8. All cast done well on their parts. But lemme give more credits to actor LSE. He makes the complicated identity revelation scene so fun. I love how dumbfounded he is of all the things going on to his MD. LOL. The real MD vs GSY are quite similar personality. They both won't easily lose of a fight. I enjoyed watching their bickering scene. I love PBY Go Se Yeon expression whenever she gets irritated or angry. Poor DC, he'll having hard time to get used to his current MD's look. 

 

I know why Min couldn't get over his unrequited love to SY. She might look snobbish and brat from the outside but there's genuine kindness behind all those sarcastic words. The idea of keeping HJ around them is definitely wrong. They just like keeping a snake. She can easily switch sides whenever things isn't good for her. I really can't stand when she said "I didn't think that he could go that far" I was like what??? Is she that dumb??? Always using her mom safety as her excuse. Sighh... every time she appologizes, she looks insincere. 

 

Double kisses as predicted! Heoll.... :love:

"We can kiss"

"What,"

"It was more of a suggestion, Can I kiss you?"

"What, I'm not that kind of guy. Since when you asked my opinion before"

Wait.. what was happened?? I mean, they kiss just like that. LOL. Idk I feel the kiss is funny to begin with. But it ended pretty hot. They're kissing till next week. Muahaahahaha.

 

The preview looks quite dark again. The corpse that they're having an autopsy with must be the man in that suicide car. I hope among all those heavy stuffs, the fluffy romance among the OTP will bloom even more. I need something to keep me watching. :lol:

 

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7 hours ago, Milady Himedere said:

Why did she ask him to kiss her? Did they already confessed to each other? Hurray for the beautiful kissing scene. Hope there are many more to come :wub:

SY knows well that Min likes her since long time ago. But she pushes him away. She puts him in the friendzone all this time. But even so, she does care for him and so he is. The kiss seal the deal! It is their confession. 

 

7 hours ago, lightbringer06 said:

 

Yes...hahaha...just watched the clip and she did ask :D. I love how straightforward SY is. I always know she'll be the first to initiate it :wub:.

That is her charm! No wonder DC easily fall for her. I love that she asked his consent first before kissing him. How can Min stop loving her if she finally gives him green light. He ended his 20 year unrequited love! 

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That HeeJin girl needs to go. She keeps getting someone almost murdered.  Also, now the real Mi-Do and the cop boyfriend knows about SY and ChanMi's secret. Yet, they can't tell SY's parents that she is still alive? This is getting complicated. I'm surprised that the real Mi-Do didn't make herself look like SY.    

 

Who's the actress that plays the real Mi-Do. What she going to do know that her identity has been killed off. Are the bad guys going to think she's SY brought back alive with another face? 

 

  

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tvn said they'll release the bts of the kiss once the YOUTUBE video gets to 300k views... except they're completely stupid and careless and forgot that all abyss content aside from episode teasers is blocked in most countries, so it'll never get there :rolleyes: they should release it later this week either way i guess, but like... make it make sense, tvn. :phew:

 

anyway, if it somehow isn't blocked for you....

 

 

at least the one on naver is at +130k already: https://tv.naver.com/v/8541465/

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