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34 minutes ago, eerylin-heaven said:

 

Ok... It doesn't make a lot of sense from the author but okay... :smile:   Naaan I wanna know :bawling::blush::yum:

How does it not make sense? He died, his spirit was so sad and angry (and traumatized) at everything (plus the demonic cultivation), he didn't remember where his spirit was or where he roamed. Wei wuxian also has memory problems so it's understandable and makes sense to his character. Also a lot of cultivators were summoning his spirit while he was dead. and he died thinking lan wangji hated him. 

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3 hours ago, Bea said:

How does it not make sense? He died, his spirit was so sad and angry (and traumatized) at everything (plus the demonic cultivation), he didn't remember where his spirit was or where he roamed. Wei wuxian also has memory problems so it's understandable and makes sense to his character. Also a lot of cultivators were summoning his spirit while he was dead. and he died thinking lan wangji hated him. 

That make sense. Now, I do recalled WWX told them that he didn't remembered anything from those times. His soul must have been devastating over everything that happened to him. Although the author didn't clarify it, we can assumed that his soul was troubled and roaming the realm, until he came upon that guy that he took over his body to get revenge for him.

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Hum, in the last few moments, Lan Wangji did everything to help him, he did not want to let go of his hand, so Wei Wuxian died knowing that Lan Wangji did not hate him. I know that he has no memory after his rebirth, but during his death, why did he not answer Lan Wang Ji's supplic ? All souls, even broken, can be called, but WWX's never answered any daily calls from Lan Wang Ji during their 13 years of separation. Nobody succeed until he was summoned and placed in Mo Xuanyu's Xuanyu's body.  I would love to ask that question to the author :P

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1 hour ago, eerylin-heaven said:

Hum, in the last few moments, Lan Wangji did everything to help him, he did not want to let go of his hand, so Wei Wuxian died knowing that Lan Wangji did not hate him. I know that he has no memory after his rebirth, but during his death, why did he not answer Lan Wang Ji's supplic ? All souls, even broken, can be called, but WWX's never answered any daily calls from Lan Wang Ji during their 13 years of separation. Nobody succeed until he was summoned and placed in Mo Xuanyu's Xuanyu's body.  I would love to ask that question to the author :P

 

The bit about Lan Wangji calling Wei Wuxian's spirit daily for 13 years is a popular headcanon. That was never said in the novel, it just got get very popular in fanfic and fandom so people started considering canon. people just assume he did played inquiry many times throughout the years. 

 

Also, lan wangji not letting go of his hand, are you talking about when wei wuxian died? because that didn't happen in the novel either. Lan Wangji wasn't there when Wei wuxian died. Wei Wuxian died thinking lan wangji hates him. That was said in the novel and it's in WWX's point of view so the way he sees and thinks about things are biased. He was really blind about what Lan Wangji felt about him. He didn't even remember about the cave and when Lan wangji was defending him from the other elders from the lan clan. He died thinking everyone hated him.

 

Now if you're talking about the untamed, that's different. 

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The bit about Lan Wangji calling Wei Wuxian's spirit daily for 13 years is a popular headcanon. That was never said in the novel, it just got get very popular in fanfic and fandom so people started considering canon. people just assume he did played inquiry many times throughout the years. 

 

Oh I did not know, hum maybe it's because of the song Bu Wang... 

 

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Also, lan wangji not letting go of his hand, are you talking about when wei wuxian died? because that didn't happen in the novel either. Lan Wangji wasn't there when Wei wuxian died. Wei Wuxian died thinking lan wangji hates him. That was said in the novel and it's in WWX's point of view so the way he sees and thinks about things are biased. He was really blind about what Lan Wangji felt about him. He didn't even remember about the cave and when Lan wangji was defending him from the other elders from the lan clan. He died thinking everyone hated him.

 

Now if you're talking about the untamed, that's different. 

 

I though the novel was very close to the drama but it seems some importants details are not the same, well I think I prefer the drama, the drama is less cruel for both of them ^^

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, eerylin-heaven said:

 

Oh I did not know, hum maybe it's because of the song Bu Wang... 

 

 

I though the novel was very close to the drama but it seems some importants details are not the same, well I think I prefer the drama, the drama is less cruel for both of them ^^

 

 

 

 

Nooo, the novel and drama are very very different. Have you read it? They changed a lot of things in the plot, including the relationship between lan wangji and wei wuxian (they're more friendly since the beginning in the drama. That's not the case in the novel) and Wei Wuxian's characterization (and other characters). He's a gray moral character. 

 

Some prefer the novel because it's more explicit (with sex scenes!) and there's a love confession and they get married. I've read the novel, yet my favorite portrayal of Lan Wangji and Wei Wuxian is from the drama as well. 

 

If you start reading fanfic you can tell which ones are from the novel/donghua and which ones are based on the untamed because the changes between them are noticeable

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You got me at the magical words "they get married" (and maybe sex scenes lol) so I found a translation of the novel :D

 

 

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The series would be better if Lan WangJi got married and had a daughter, many years later, Wei Wuxian returned, meeting Lan WangJi again, Lan WangJi married his daughter to Wei Wuxian

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38 minutes ago, FY034 said:

The series would be better if Lan WangJi got married and had a daughter, many years later, Wei Wuxian returned, meeting Lan WangJi again, Lan WangJi married his daughter to Wei Wuxian

LOL that would never happen since they're gay for each other and in love. Well, Wei Wuxian is bi but Lan Wangji is a one man kind of guy. He would've never gotten married with someone else, he's always devoted to Wei Wuxian lmao

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5 minutes ago, Bea said:

LOL that would never happen since they're gay for each other and in love. Well, Wei Wuxian is bi but Lan Wangji is a one man kind of guy. He would've never gotten married with someone else, he's always devoted to Wei Wuxian lmao

 

The government did not support the Gay genre, so the filmmakers modified, from gay to brotherly. Wei WuXian and Lan WangJi don't love each other. They just treat each other as good friends. So no matter if Lan WangJi gets married and has a daughter, then marries his daughter to Wei wuxian, the relationship between the two sides will go one step further.

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54 minutes ago, FY034 said:

 

The government did not support the Gay genre, so the filmmakers modified, from gay to brotherly. Wei WuXian and Lan WangJi don't love each other. They just treat each other as good friends. So no matter if Lan WangJi gets married and has a daughter, then marries his daughter to Wei wuxian, the relationship between the two sides will go one step further.

No. BL dramas are implied in China, they can't explicitly show them kissing or confessing to each other, but it's clear from their interactions, loving gazes and actions that they are in love. Homosexuality is not illegal, but being portrayed explicitly on film is not allowed so everything has to be implied which they did very well in this one, and intentionally. The filmmakers and the actors consider is a love story between two men. It's the whole reason why WeTV is releasing a special edition cut that is focused on the relationship between these two characters while promoting them in social media as a couple and re-arranging scenes and adding new stuff to make it even more obvious (including that ending). 

 

So Lan Wangji getting married to someone else? never going to happen since the cast and crew did this intentional as a lan wangji/wei wuxian couple even when implied. And even Wei wuxian then marry his daughter? Bro no. You're just reaching, that will never ever happen except maybe in your imagination. It would absolutely not make sense with either character. 

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7 hours ago, FY034 said:

 

The government did not support the Gay genre, so the filmmakers modified, from gay to brotherly. Wei WuXian and Lan WangJi don't love each other. They just treat each other as good friends. So no matter if Lan WangJi gets married and has a daughter, then marries his daughter to Wei wuxian, the relationship between the two sides will go one step further.

LWJ and WY loves each other in the novel and drama. They are soulmates, lovers. It shows by the way they speak to each other and how they care for each other. WJ only loves WY, waiting for him 16 years. It's BL, the author intended it to be that way. Without WY and WJ love for each other, there would never be T.U. It's about their relationship with each other^^.

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5 hours ago, rosierosie said:

LWJ and WY loves each other in the novel and drama. They are soulmates, lovers. It shows by the way they speak to each other and how they care for each other. WJ only loves WY, waiting for him 16 years. It's BL, the author intended it to be that way. Without WY and WJ love for each other, there would never be T.U. It's about their relationship with each other^^.

 

Not only the author, but even the actors of the drama, the screenwriters and the director intended it be a portrayal of a love story even though they couldn't say it explicitly or acknowledge it on screen. It even ends with them reuniting with Wei ying coming back to Gusu. The Untamed did a great job at that, but of course there are also those who believe that love stories only count if we get a love confession or kisses at the end which no. 

 

The Special Edition emphasizes it.

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@Bea did you watched the special ed? I'm planning to^^!!! ZX and YB portrayed their characters so well, I want to relived every moments. With the censor, T.U. is great for bringing the novel version to life. 

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9 minutes ago, rosierosie said:

@Bea did you watched the special ed? I'm planning to^^!!! ZX and YB portrayed their characters so well, I want to relived every moments. With the censor, T.U. is great for bringing the novel version to life. 

 

Yes I have! They add extended scenes and re-arrange the order of some of them to make them even more...gayer I guess?? Like, there's scenes where they add 5+ seconds of Lan Wangji and Wei Wuxian locking eyes and just looking at each other with the pretty music on the background, it's all very romantic xD 

 

They cut a lot of scenes but that's understandable since it's focused on WWX and LWJ. I'm hoping they re-edited the ending to make it more obvious to everyone that watches that they did reunite at the end.

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14 hours ago, FY034 said:

 

The government did not support the Gay genre, so the filmmakers modified, from gay to brotherly. Wei WuXian and Lan WangJi don't love each other. They just treat each other as good friends. So no matter if Lan WangJi gets married and has a daughter, then marries his daughter to Wei wuxian, the relationship between the two sides will go one step further.

Ok at this point you're just being ignorant.. Yes the chinese goverment doesn't allow explicit showing of love between 2 guys but it doesn't mean that the series is turn from gay to brotherly.. Kisses or physical intimacy doesnt equal to love as there are several ways love between 2 people could be portrayed.. I mean the source material itself is a BL love story of weiying and lan zhan emphasize by the author herself.. The production, cast and all the staff are quite aware of that and in no way they will disrespect the story, so tried their very best to give an authentic wangxian's love story that will give justice to the original novel.. FYI even the composer of the ost revealed on the nanjing concert that his inspiration is LOVE and that he is a fan and loves the original story.. There is no reason whatsoever for lan zhan to even think about marrying some woman without it being out of character for him.. Face it the only time your ideas will be better and even remotely real is in your imagination.. 

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When my hubby would act with his best friend like Drama LZ & WY I surely would call my lawyer in advance since I surely would need her soon. :lol:. Of course you can watch that Drama with ignoring all those things between the lines. But when you keep looking for between the lines you will notice all the fan service. Especially the song can't be explained otherwise. Who writes a song for his bestie only? Of course Soulmate relationship can be platonic but at least LZ never is and the Drama direcor lets Wang YiBo act his character to be in love.

I still prefer the Drama over the Novel. Like someone mentioned before the entire relationship development is more sound and understandable. With the novel at the beginning I had a bit problems to understand how WY could fall for LZ. LZ was just cold and harsh before his dead. Today I know WY is just masochistic. :phew:

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Wei wuxian's father and mother died on the night of the hunt, wei wuxian is the only heir of the Wei clan. When with Lan WangJi, weiying ended his own clan, if his father and mother in heaven knew, they would be disappointed. Lan sizhui is not WeiYing's biological child. Why didn't Weiying think of having a child to inherit the Wei clan? I think it is the author's mistake to not think about the issue of bloodline and the glory of the immortal cultivation family. Love of a night with a girl, that girl is pregnant, raising her own child, that child matures, inheriting the wei clan. That's what Weiying should do 

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7 minutes ago, FY034 said:

Wei wuxian's father and mother died on the night of the hunt, wei wuxian is the only heir of the Wei clan. When with Lan WangJi, weiying ended his own clan, if his father and mother in heaven knew, they would be disappointed. Lan sizhui is not WeiYing's biological child. Why didn't Weiying think of having a child to inherit the Wei clan? I think it is the author's mistake to not think about the issue of bloodline and the glory of the immortal cultivation family. Love of a night with a girl, that girl is pregnant, raising her own child, that child matures, inheriting the wei clan. That's what Weiying should do 

 

WWX has low origins. His mother was a servant of Jiang. There was nothing to pass on other than his bloodline

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2 minutes ago, FY034 said:

Wei wuxian's father and mother died on the night of the hunt, wei wuxian is the only heir of the Wei clan. When with Lan WangJi, weiying ended his own clan, if his father and mother in heaven knew, they would be disappointed. Lan sizhui is not WeiYing's biological child. Why didn't Weiying think of having a child to inherit the Wei clan? I think it is the author's mistake to not think about the issue of bloodline and the glory of the immortal cultivation family. Love of a night with a girl, that girl is pregnant, raising her own child, that child matures, inheriting the wei clan. That's what Weiying should do 

OMG what are you even saying.. How could it be the author's mistake when its her own story.. She decides what happens because its her own.. How would you even know what would weiying's parents want? You dont even know their personality.. At this point you really are being ignorant of a fact.. 

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