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@nubianlegalmind It's because Sunny reminds him of his first wife, that's why he doesn't like her or just can't be near her. The other reason is because he think she's a gold digger and he doesn't even know the real gold digger is YR.

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1 hour ago, sal2 said:

I see my comment was short and not very good explained. Yes I was reacting to Emperor and Sunny bed scene. I guess what made me put off about the scene is that he have been intimate with YR for every episode before that. I therefor did not feel good about It because sunny not knowing what kind of person he is and what she have signed up for.

@sal2  Thank you for the explanation.  I can understand how you feel, because I commented when it happened that he just left the bed of someone else.  (I wonder if he even washed)  Although that and the massage room scene put me off, it wasn't enough to stop me from watching the drama.  Unfortunately, men (in real life) around the world go home to their wives after leaving their mistresses houses, one night stands, and women of the night, and I find it disgusting and dangerous to the wife. However,  when I am watching a drama, these scenes tell us what type of character each actor is playing.  From these scenes, we know that YR has no feelings for anyone, not even the emperor.  She uses people to advance her person agenda; NWS, his mother, the queen mother, and the emperor. 

The emperor's behavior tells us that he thinks he loves YR; however, he will do his duty if he must, i.e. go to bed with his wife.  He also thinks that YR will help him break away from his mother so that he can become the emperor in his own right.  

 

I look at this drama as a historical drama, with a modern backdrop.  The palace has always been cut throat and a dangerous place to live.  Therefore, I look at the drama through a different lens.

 

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Wow!....

This story is nuts! It is like an american soap opera on steroids!!!

But I have to say while I am not liking the Emperor or his affair, I am liking WS more. I am happy that they are show casing his compassion and kind heart. I mean, the fact that he couldn't leave his adopted brother behind in the end despite how angry he was at YR shows how he is a good person.

Already, we are starting to see him have a soft spot for SN and clearly is going to get swept into taking care of her. I think that WS by nature is someone who takes care of people. And SN is going to bring out that instinct with him. 

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[The Last Empress] Eps 11 & 12 spoilers, Choi Jin Hyuk x Jang Na Ra x Shin Sung Rok x Lee Elijah

Posted on Thursday, December 6, 2018

 
Article: Naver 'The Last Empress' Yoon Joo Man dies... Jang Na Ra tears up seeing Shin Sung Rok and Lee Elijah together 

1. [+366,-9]
What should I do with you, Choi Jin Hyuk? I'll be waiting for the next episode. 

2. [+293,-7]
It's totally childish. But why is it so interesting. I've fallen for the bodyguard. 


3. [+182,-10]
Choi Jin Hyuk's eyes.. It's insane. Ever since Gu Family Book, ha.. 


4. [+116,-5]
Those mannered hands at the end. He covered her eyes with his hands!! He's so cool. ♡


5. [+96,-2]
Looks like today's the day that Choi Jin Hyuk, Na Wang Shik suffers. The King punched him, Shin Eun Kyung slapped him, he got injured when fighting against the mafia. Looks like he can't help but be wounded. His reddened expression when he thought of his mother while riding the motorbike makes me think that he's born for acting.


6. [+32,-1]
It's a makjang and it's messy. But I could only watch this because of Choi Jin Hyuk. He's cool. I started watching this when Choi Jin Hyuk appeared. Love you. ❤


7. [+26,-3]
Choi Jin Hyuk saved this drama... If not for him, I'm not watching this. 


8. [+26,-3]
Choi Jin Hyuk matches satoori well too. Choi Jin Hyuk is the best. ♡


9. [+23,-2]
I thought I was watching a movie. Choi Jin Hyuk, do everything that you want. 



 
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Article: Naver 'The Last Empress' Shin Sung Rok to Park Won Suk, "I don't love Jang Na Ra, but Lee Elijah"  

1. [+91,-4]
Oh my, what do we do? Choi Jin Hyuk used satoori. ㅋㅋㅋ


2. [+78,-3]
All I see in this drama is Choi Jin Hyuk suffering. ㅠㅠ


3. [+64,-4]
What's this? What's this? Why is it so interesting? As expected, the child is Shin Sung Rok's daughter~~ 


4. [+51,-4]
ㅋㅋㅋㅋ Makjang's dignity. ㅋㅋㅋㅋ Soon Ok, do whatever you want. ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ The male leads are trash. Ssu Ni-ya, just live on your own. ㅋㅋㅋㅋ


5. [+11,-0]
It leaves me speechless but it's fun. 


6. [+10,-0]
This is a gang of royal criminals. There are so many secrets. The King is a sexual offender, his mother is a murderer, there are so many things. 


7. [+9,-0]
Choi Jin Hyuk is so cool this time.. He's lost a lot of weight too. ㅎㅎ


8. [+7,-0]
Ah, seriously. Don't let Choi Jin Hyuk get hurt!! Why is he so cool? I'm going crazy. 

http://melohwa.blogspot.com/2018/12/the-last-empress-eps-11-12-spoilers.html

 

 

 

Wow. That little girl Ari is actually Lee Hyuk's and the nanny's daughter. Birth secrets everywhere. Both Ari and Dong Shik don't know who their real parents are.

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1 hour ago, at2005 said:

Can someone kindly explain what makjang is? Thanks

 

The definition of Makjang accourding to dramabeans is as following:

"makjang :: a sylistic, tonal, or narrative element in dramas that chooses to play up outrageous storylines to keep viewers hooked despite how ridiculous the stories become (adultery, revenge, rape, birth secrets, fatal illnesses, and flirting with incest possibilities are some makjang favorites). Shows can be part of a makjang class of dramas (Wife’s Temptation is a makjang series), or they can have makjang tendencies (Mary Stayed Out All Night went makjang toward the end). Generally considered a negative thing (“Gah, how makjang can you get?”), unless a drama intentionally embraces the style (such as Baker King Kim Tak-gu or Flames of Desire)."

~http://www.dramabeans.com/about/glossary/

 

In general, when a drama starts to get over dramatic and over the top like an American Soap Opera (or even worse) then it is referred to being "Makjang". Also, the laws of logic (and actually real laws), tend to be suspended or ignored with makjang. The whole point is to get to riled up and involved with the story. The more emotionally involved you are, the better.

 

Hope that helps.

 

**Update**

I found another site that give more insight into Makjang if you are interested:

https://www.kdramastars.com/articles/82724/20150427/understanding-k-drama-makjang.htm

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42 minutes ago, guinearoyal said:

 

The definition of Makjang accourding to dramabeans is as following:

"makjang :: a sylistic, tonal, or narrative element in dramas that chooses to play up outrageous storylines to keep viewers hooked despite how ridiculous the stories become (adultery, revenge, rape, birth secrets, fatal illnesses, and flirting with incest possibilities are some makjang favorites). Shows can be part of a makjang class of dramas (Wife’s Temptation is a makjang series), or they can have makjang tendencies (Mary Stayed Out All Night went makjang toward the end). Generally considered a negative thing (“Gah, how makjang can you get?”), unless a drama intentionally embraces the style (such as Baker King Kim Tak-gu or Flames of Desire)."

~http://www.dramabeans.com/about/glossary/

 

In general, when a drama starts to get over dramatic and over the top like an American Soap Opera (or even worse) then it is referred to being "Makjang". Also, the laws of logic (and actually real laws), tend to be suspended or ignored with makjang. The whole point is to get to riled up and involved with the story. The more emotionally involved you are, the better.

 

Hope that helps.

 

**Update**

I found another site that give more insight into Makjang if you are interested:

https://www.kdramastars.com/articles/82724/20150427/understanding-k-drama-makjang.htm

Thank you very much. I didn't think to google myself (probably too lazy to do so). "The makjang elements of a drama - rape, revenge, possible incest -can be so outrageously over-dramatic, they are impossible to believe." Found this line within the article. I don't find this hard to believe. We do see real murder cases where the step father rapes the daughter and the mother ends up killing her husband, either out of hatred or protection of her kid (I am addicted to this Investigation channel in the US and always read up murder cases). Those elements reflect real life...but there is one thing that is so true: it is rare for all the things to happen to one person. That person must have done something terrible in his/her previous life in order for karma to come back and bite them in the behind. :D

 

 

 

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Omg this show is so damn dramatic and hella CHEESY :joy: So now we find out the Princess' actual mum is the nanny?? So much fun watching every episode - it's literally a roller coaster ride LOL

 

I feel so bad for WS/WB though...and CJH is killing it! His controlled emotions are so obvious yet extremely subtle. And his crying scenes :tears: He's just a really good actor man.

 

LH is just evil! Dare I say there was some (weird) bromance between them in tonight's episode?? LH is taking a liking to him so the revenge is just gonna be sweeter (for the audience at least ;))

 

SUNNY FOUND OUT!! FINALLY! I was kinda tired watching her being all gullible and misled into thinking LH actually liked her. I mean, I don't blame her - he's really charming when he wants to be! But I'm glad she found out and YES! WS was by her side :wub:  their chemistry is amazing so far! Can't wait for the actual sparks...we know it's gonna be angsty by the look of the makjang-ness so far :w00t:

 

I can totally understand how they're nearly leading in ratings every week so far :heart:

 

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"In the drama 'The quality of the Empress', 11th and 12th ratings on December 6 were 8.3% (National 7.9%) and 11.5% (National 10.5%) respectively, It has topped the record. The highest audience rating soared to 13.87%, ranking first in the all-round drama. "

 

Wow...

 

ps. I used google translate

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@at2005 If you read a few pages back, @lmangla defined makjang very well in a language easily understood by all... :lol:

If I find it, I'll tag you again.

edit~

Found it... (p.28)

 

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13 minutes ago, ktcjdrama said:

@at2005 If you read a few pages back, @lmangla defined makjang very well in a language easily understood by all... :lol:

If I find it, I'll tag you again.

Thank you. I don't find being dramatic is an issue as long as it is done right (keep you on your toes you know) and of course add  a smooth story line.

 

Take WS transformation for an example. Minus the height difference (they should/could have found someone with similar height), I don't find transformation that is hard to accept. Just google random people that lost a lot of weight. With a good hair cut, some have turned from ugly duckling into a swan (both male and female). 

 

With that being said, we are (viewers) are way too picky? Do we have to nitpick on every tiny little things and forget the story line and other important information? :D I have to watch all 6 eps with subtitle this weekend in order for me to analyze and nitpick the series :D

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10 minutes ago, at2005 said:

Take WS transformation for an example. Minus the height difference (they should/could have found someone with similar height),

Have you googled their height difference? It's only 4cm. CHJ 186cm, THH 182cm.... THH looks much shorter because he is wider in proportion, esp.with wearing the fat suit. So yeah, I consider a difference of 4cm as similar.

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11 minutes ago, ktcjdrama said:

Have you googled their height difference? It's only 4cm. CHJ 186cm, THH 182cm.... THH looks much shorter because he is wider in proportion, esp.with wearing the fat suit. So yeah, I consider a difference of 4cm as similar.

Unfortunately, I was like most viewers who didn't check out the actual height difference and took what we saw as is (oh how visual could affect one's judgement). 4 cm is a bit over 1.5 inches which is not too bad. Well we could say he corrected his posture during the training and no longer hunches over due to the weight issue :D There, I have explained the height difference :D

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Well... The ratings are getting higher!! Now I can understand what the Korean audience wants.. SEX :crazy:Yeah, now it's pretty obvious! You don't have to use your logic in this series. It's all about intimacy that no logic required!! And birth secrets are everywhere! What an emperor..??!! :angry: If any one can kick off Lee Hyuk & Min Yu Ra, then I'll happily watch this series!!!

 

Anyway, for those who are enjoying this show, what are you guys so addicted to..?! I am speechless! :crazy:

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33 minutes ago, gm4queen said:

Anyway, for those who are enjoying this show, what are you guys so addicted to..?! I am speechless! :crazy:

-The unfolding mysteries, one after another (not the answer itself, but the anticipation, the process)

e.g: why doesn't a mother (empress dowager) want her son (the emperor) to be happy? (possibly ordered to kill his first wife, wanted to get rid of his lover, forced him to marry someone he didn't love etc.) Is it as simple as wanting the power to control? I don't know, but interested to find out.

*Is the emperor truly as weak as he portrays? Or is he scheming for something big like vengeance against his own mother?

-Sunny's growth, her being forced out of her comfort zone, how she would handle situations/resolve conflicts etc (basically how she would survive in the water after being thrown in without a swimming lesson first). 

-The internal battle of oneself, struggling to find what makes him/her happy/satisfied. Interested in learning the mentality of each individual character.

 

Not really into the rated R scenes that much but more into the relations. 

 

Main reason: done and tired of watching, boy meets girl, girl meets boy, boy falls in love with girl, girl falls in love with boy, boy and girl go through few obstacles and have a happily ever after :D As I get older, I am into crazier stuffs (murder, psycho, etc) and leave fairy tale behind

 

Hmmm are we questioning the healing powers of sex? :D I don't find physical intimacy illogical. It is his (the emperor's) way of getting closed to someone. Perhaps it satisfies his need of someone wanting him, loving him, needing him. Some would get closed to another physically then emotionally, while others do the opposite. 

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2 hours ago, at2005 said:

-The unfolding mysteries, one after another (not the answer itself, but the anticipation, the process)

e.g: why doesn't a mother (empress dowager) want her son (the emperor) to be happy? (possibly ordered to kill his first wife, wanted to get rid of his lover, forced him to marry someone he didn't love etc.) Is it as simple as wanting the power to control? I don't know, but interested to find out.

*Is the emperor truly as weak as he portrays? Or is he scheming for something big like vengeance against his own mother?

-Sunny's growth, her being forced out of her comfort zone, how she would handle situations/resolve conflicts etc (basically how she would survive in the water after being thrown in without a swimming lesson first). 

-The internal battle of oneself, struggling to find what makes him/her happy/satisfied. Interested in learning the mentality of each individual character.

 

Not really into the rated R scenes that much but more into the relations. 

 

Main reason: done and tired of watching, boy meets girl, girl meets boy, boy falls in love with girl, girl falls in love with boy, boy and girl go through few obstacles and have a happily ever after :D As I get older, I am into crazier stuffs (murder, psycho, etc) and leave fairy tale behind

Agreeing with your answer.... Plus CJH... Well, actually I am a fan of SSR and JNR and SEK acting too! Actually, I am first and foremost here because of the cast. Not a fan of makjang actually, but this show is addicting!

Welcome to soompi anyway. I saw that you just recently joined. What other dramas are you watching now?

 

2 hours ago, gm4queen said:

If any one can kick off Lee Hyuk & Min Yu Ra, then I'll happily watch this series!!!

But without LH and MYR, the show will not be as exciting :P  Let's just reduce and tone down the bed scene. I like MYR as the villain, smart schemer and layered character, unlike another current drama where the evil girl is so one dimensional I simply got bored of her.

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17 minutes ago, ktcjdrama said:

Agreeing with your answer.... Plus CJH... Well, actually I am a fan of SSR and JNR and SEK acting too!

Welcome to soompi anyway. I saw that you just recently joined. What other dramas are you watching now?

 

But without LH and MYR, the show will not be as exciting :P  Let's just reduce and tone down the bed scene. I like MYR as the villain, smart schemer and layered character, unlike another current drama where the evil girl is so one dimensional I simply got bored of her.

Thank you for your welcoming. I couldn't resist but to join the forum after I read up so many interesting posts on this series. I too like JNR.  I usually watch the series/drama for the story line. I like series like Ghost, Master's Sun, I remember you (thriller, horror genres)

 

Korean drama wise, Empress Dignity is the only one I am watching right now. Any recommendations?

 

I watch mostly American shows (Criminal Minds, Investigation Discovery channel, cold cases etc :D, waiting on "Making a Murderer" series) I think I passed the stage of rom-com.

 

Agreed on the evil girl part, especially the one who thinks she is smart yet she isn't smart at all. All she does is going crazy, screaming, yelling and acting childish thinking she is making a fool out of someone else.

 

That is why I am anticipating the peeling of Sunny's onion :D I hope she doesn't disappoint me.

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** gosh what tear jerking music & someone called ‘those mannered hands’/or big manly black-leather-glove-hand ;  sorry  I know it’s supposed to be a heart breaking scene but I can’t stop laughing  sobsobhahaha  my insanity :joy:

 

WB's mannered arms

"ㅋㅋㅋㅋ Makjang's dignity"  ???:huh:

 

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