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1 hour ago, vangsweetie637 said:

At this rate, we won’t be getting a TY-ES reunion any time soon. As i am watching the episodes, my mind is just screaming: Are they going to meet yet or not? the answer is nope :joy:

 

I feel like it's going to be right at the very end that they meet. :X  from the preview, eunseom is going back to doldambul first to rescue all the other slaves. It's a longgg way back to Arthdal. 

 

ep 16 passed a lot faster than i thought it would...

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It looks like Tanya is learning to embrace her power, twisting the words that Taealha ordered to get them what they want yet winning the hearts of people at the same time. I know she doesn't want to do it but if she doesn't, the Wahan people are at risk, and it sort of feels like she ends up sacrificing her heart in order to keep her people happy/safe, since they don't want to return to Iark. Only little Doti has kept her innocence through that ordeal.

 

I can't tell which way Mubaek is leaning now, since Tanya indirectly caused his brother's death, and he was sort of blindly hoping that the 3 children would change the world, but not knowing in which direction that would go. Looks like Saya has gotten a hint now on the bell, sword and mirror, but I can't believe we are 2 eps from the end and the twins still don't know they have a twin :wacko:

 

The Ipsaeng-Eunseom combi was sort of entertaining today, when Ipsaeng suddenly threw the ball that EunSeum met Inaishingi in his dream - it reminded me of when Tanya started lying about the horse (who is still nowhere to be seen!!) and then threw the ball to EunSeom to make up the reason :lol:  the Momo tribe were awesome again in saving him - I hope they follow him to Arthdal as well. 

 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, bebebisous33 said:

@lebeaucouple Well, Tagon might have been cornered by Asa Ron, however he chose willingly to sacrifice two tribes for his own interests before. He chose this over exile. That's why I don't really pity him because right from the beginning, he wanted to get power. Exile meant to give up his power. Sure, before his father had people killed for his sake and he felt that exile was not an option because so many people had already died because of him. However, he had an option: the exile. If he had left his father, maybe his mother would have asked him to join her. Yet, I sense that Tagon might have resented his mother as he wanted to be accepted by his tribe and always hated his blood. 

I have different opinion...Tagon is a tragic character, look at his upbringing background since young, his father trained and forced him to become who he is now. A person character growth is very much influenced by the upbringing context and the environment. He became self-inferior since young and hated his purple blood because of his dad's "selfish preaching". He became cruel and pray for power also due to his dad selfishness. 

 

A person's character and destiny will change in life if you meet a good mentor who inspires and allows you to see the hope inside yourself, but not the negative influence by his father and his accomplices. Unfortunately, he did not meet any good mentor in his journey to creating his kingdom, but only Taealha, his lover and accomplice, who has the same greed in power and politic. He has a strong leadership but use it in a wrong way. “One of the greatest values of mentors is the ability to see ahead what others cannot see and to help them navigate a course to their destination.” —  by John C. Maxwell

 

I don't hate this character, because i found him as a good representative in any of the rising hero or king in the history and later got defeated by others. In fact I like how the writer made this character developed so vividly and turn him into a strong but greed in power and became monster in killing. The writer had done a good job in making such a controversial role model for Tagon, and a contrast role to ES.  I prefer to see a character role slowly changing rather than a hero role as there are so much room to play around and allow the experience actor to unleash their potential. :)

 

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46 minutes ago, lebeaucouple said:

I have different opinion...Tagon is a tragic character, look at his upbringing background since young, his father trained and forced him to become who he is now. A person character growth is very much influenced by the upbringing context and the environment. He became self-inferior since young and hated his purple blood because of his dad's "selfish preaching". He became cruel and pray for power also due to his dad selfishness. 

 

A person's character and destiny will change in life if you meet a good mentor who inspires and allows you to see the hope inside yourself, but not the negative influence by his father and his accomplices. Unfortunately, he did not meet any good mentor in his journey to creating his kingdom, but only Taealha, his lover and accomplice, who has the same greed in power and politic. He has a strong leadership but use it in a wrong way. “One of the greatest values of mentors is the ability to see ahead what others cannot see and to help them navigate a course to their destination.” —  by John C. Maxwell

 

I don't hate this character, because i found him as a good representative in any of the rising hero or king in the history and later got defeated by others. In fact I like how the writer made this character developed so vividly and turn him into a strong but greed in power and became monster in killing. The writer had done a good job in making such a controversial role model for Tagon, and a contrast role to ES.  I prefer to see a character role slowly changing rather than a hero role as there are so much room to play around and allow the experience actor to unleash their potential. :)

 

Sorry to say this but it seems that you overlooked this post I wrote myself. See below. However, even if his upbringing was the reason why he sought power in order to free himself from that darkness, he made a choice as an adult. A man should be defined and judged by his actions and decisions but not by his words. Furthermore not every abused person will abuse their own child later... See, Ipsaeng has changed, even if it took him a long time. Tagon never questioned the society and their belief, he always tried to please his father expecting love and recognition from him. He was the one who proposed the plan how to eradicate the Neanthals and how to diminish the power from the Ago tribes. His plans were ruthless and cruel.    

 

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Yes, he hates himself for being an igutu as he sees it as a curse. I guess, Tagon has been trying to hide his true identity due to his father. Let us not forget that his own father had a secret relationship with a Neanthal. In other words, his own father feared the gaze of others and chose his position over his love. So right from the start, Tagon was raised as a Saram and was told to hide his true identity. The prophecy about him reinforced the father's prejudice.  

This story shows us that environment has a bigger influence on people's personality than nature. Tagon grew up in a hierarchical society, where ambition, power and wealth were privileged over morals. Saya is another example. He is just like his "father", even more ruthless and cruel. On the other hand, Asa Hon chose principals over status hence she remained with the Neanthal. Furthermore she dedicated her whole life to protect her son, the exact opposite of Sanung. 

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(just came here to say that Arthdal Chronicles has hands down the tightest mythology I've ever seen or read. I am going to be so disappointed when this ends.)

 

 

(ps, I am still shipping Tanya with Saya (b/c hoping we'll get a redemption arc). then eun-seom with chae-eun... @ me but I've a history of 2nd lead syndrome that just won't disappear)

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Hi all

Ep 16 was so fabulous, I can't help sharing my personal thoughts on it! =)

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I have always felt Arthdal to be quite draggy. The plot is heavy and meaty, but some scenes can be quite long and plot progress was rather slow. They finally stepped up in ep 15 and 16!! 

Episode 16 is one of the best I have seen! Quite a number of impactful scenes!

I must say Tanya's role is quite legendary! Her scene when she was cursing, doing the ritual dance, and also today's scene. Really amazed by how she is innately strong and ambitious. 

 

Have been feeling annoyed by how Eunseom's plight is so repetitive for 80% of the past episodes- get captured, escape, save somebody, get captured again. Was thinking how in the world can someone be so weak and dumb. Episode 16 was so amazing cos' it dissolved these thoughts. Apparently, the write meant Eunseom to be that way and made him realise that. He is actually getting to make connection to what he was taught and his experiences to form his own belief. Seeing how different personalities from Wahan tribe respond to their situations, as well as the change in Tagon, Tanya and etc, the idea of belief and principles is probably one of the lingering theme of Arthdal. 

 

 

Looking forward to the final 2 episodes! Please don't leave us with some ending without proper closure because there might be season 2????

 

 

 

 

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Now I am confused...

Is Eunseom Aramun Haesalla or is he Inaishingi?

EP. 16 seems to hint that Eunseom is Inaishingi, so does that mean that Saya is Aramun? Maybe Tagon? But what about Eunseom and Kanmoreu? I need explanations!

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29 minutes ago, Eunseumtanya said:

Now I am confused...

Is Eunseom Aramun Haesalla or is he Inaishingi?

EP. 16 seems to hint that Eunseom is Inaishingi, so does that mean that Saya is Aramun? Maybe Tagon? But what about Eunseom and Kanmoreu? I need explanations!

What if he is both and Inaishingi and Arum are actually the same person? Or he is still Aramun Haesulla, but the story of Inaishingi survived the trial just accidentally happened again to him.

 

And Xabara with her tribe really have a lot of badass scenes lol.

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Mind blown by the true identity of the Momo Tribe :scream:

I'm really liking the drama and with more tribes/ppl being introduced I don't think this drama will end with 18 episodes. 

I wonder how long Tagon's reign of fear will last. I can't wait to see how Eun-seom, Tanya and Saya are going end Arthdal together (considering how Saya is and now they both like Tanya). But with Tagon as the antagonist one can only guess...

Kinda sad to see that the Wahan Tribe has already bought into the materialistic things of Arthdal (and only Tanya and a child and see through it all).

 

Really intrigued by this drama and the development of the characters.

 

Btw when did Tanya develop the ability to read minds?!?

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Inaishingi and Aramun are surely related, the proof is the dance. Tanya's dance and the waterfall dace is the same

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OMG I can’t wait for next week!!!! I’m going crazy with all the events this Arthdal is so diverse and full of myths that totally blew me away how am I going to survive this week???

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26 minutes ago, balletgoddess said:

Mind blown by the true identity of the Momo Tribe :scream:

I'm really liking the drama and with more tribes/ppl being introduced I don't think this drama will end with 18 episodes. 

I wonder how long Tagon's reign of fear will last. I can't wait to see how Eun-seom, Tanya and Saya are going end Arthdal together (considering how Saya is and now they both like Tanya). But with Tagon as the antagonist one can only guess...

Kinda sad to see that the Wahan Tribe has already bought into the materialistic things of Arthdal (and only Tanya and a child and see through it all).

 

Really intrigued by this drama and the development of the characters.

 

Btw when did Tanya develop the ability to read minds?!?

Back in episode three when she gave the horse a name

wonder when the horse will come back I hope soon

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On 9/15/2019 at 2:27 PM, Claudia Ximena said:

Back in episode three when she gave the horse a name

wonder when the horse will come back I hope soon

Ahhh that's right, thanks!!

But I thought that was only for animals cause we haven't seen her use that ability again since so it slipped my mind. 

Whatever happened to that horse after insulting ES?!

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I think for the sheer amount of characters in this drama, more episodes should have been added to the 18. 

 

ES has been flailing nonstop for the past 16 episodes and we finally have some sort of breakthrough today. I just want to say that out of all the characters, I find him the least interesting because he's a spot of pure white in a world of grey. And I think that's why he doesn't fit for me in this show because everyone else seems to have more layered intentions whereas he's just forever doing the good thing. Which is awesome in real life but sucks to watch onscreen.  He's like the antithesis of Robert from GOT where Robert conquered and then had no freaking clue what to do. ES would make an awesome King but his path there seems to be by sheer luck and literally, the wills of the god. 

 

Saya was raised by Taelha so LOL, he's going to do what's best for him and has no clue what good or bad means. Tanya went through all sorts of realisations today. Now that she's had her first taste of power, I think it has changed her more than she realises. And the Wahan tribe will never be the same again because it's not just the trauma of losing all the people and what was dear to them but also, now that they've seen the good life, it's hard to go back to the forest and forage for food. 

 

Tagon and Taelha will be each other's undoing. Also, Tagon made a fatal mistake by appointing Yangcha as Tanya's bodyguard(my shipper side SQUEALS) because Yangcha has already showed that he isn't as loyal to Tagon as before. If Tanya can sway his loyalty, Tagon will find himself with a knife to his back faster than ES getting captured and marched through another camp again(joking)

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2 minutes ago, sasha1818 said:

Yangcha as Tanya's bodyguard(my shipper side SQUEALS)

 

omg... i was *feeling* the tension in 15&16 there. I'm still on the YaYa ship but ChaYa does have its appeal. 

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Poor Tanya... right and wrong, selfishness and righteousness, security and uncertainty, violence and peace, power and helplessness.... all of which have their consequences.

 

she is innately a good person who now feel guilt, to no fault of her own.... (I wish to return to Iark… but is that even possible now that she is the person with some power!).

 

Tagon and Taelha who are innately good but now become monsters who do not hesitate to kill anyone to protect what they thing are theirs.

 

the twin brothers Igutu eunseon/saya  who are diametric opposite of each other one good and relatively innocent by his simple environment,  the other mean-spirited and worldly beat down by his depressing environment.

 

There is a saying that to be magnanimous, one has to feel strong and secure.  None of these people are secured, even if they hold power!

 

Modern human who see this story may be sickened by all the unfairness that happened, but in modern time, we can afford to be magnanimous and judgmental.....thousands of years ago can they afford to be??? this reader is not sure!

 

Tanya always dream about and long for her eunseon….   Will the eunseon she finally see look like the carefree eunseon she remembered or a tyrant like tagon/saya.   will she be able to survive in this dangerous world?

 

This is one of the most complicated Korean Drama this reader has ever seen!… where goodness and badness mixed and it becomes hard to know what to think about each person (to empathize or reject them for their deeds)!  Great story!

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About Tanya and Eun Seom meeting again, I'm holding all my hopes on this interview. At 1'30'', Jang Dong Gun says that ES And TY will dance together again, and SJK confirms.

. I reaaly want this to happen, this is all I'm waiting for. 'Course, I would want the kissing scene for the two, cause I've been longing for it since DOTS, but it seems really hard to happen. I won't grow a hope just to be disappointed.

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Its heartwarming to see :

1. EunSeom thinking of Tanya at the brink of his death as he plunged down the waterfall.

2. Tanya thinking of EunSoem as she's out of idea what to do & wished he's beside her. 

Both still place each other as priority in times of desperation... 

Yet their screen time together are so minimal! :( 

 

Side note:

YangCha's expression when Tagon assigned him to guard Tanya. Adorable!!!

The reluctant eyes, not wanting to be close to the girl who could read his thoughts. 

This couple is interesting too if there were ever to be matched! ^^ 

 

Two more episodes. So much can happen! 

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@sasha1818 said "ES has been flailing nonstop for the past 16 episodes and we finally have some sort of breakthrough today. I just want to say that out of all the characters, I find him the least interesting because he's a spot of pure white in a world of grey. And I think that's why he doesn't fit for me in this show because everyone else seems to have more layered intentions whereas he's just forever doing the good thing. Which is awesome in real life but sucks to watch onscreen.  He's like the antithesis of Robert from GOT where Robert conquered and then had no freaking clue what to do. ES would make an awesome King but his path there seems to be by sheer luck and literally, the wills of the god. "

 

This reader agree with you about Eunseon.  If Arthdal is broken down, what can Eunseon do?  He knows nothing about governing,   Will he abolish taxation and the guards also? Make everyone equal so they can equally try to kill each other and create a world of chaos?  He cannot even read!

 

Tanya would make a better leader in that she is very smart and think clearly and can choose to do things that is bad if the alternative is worse.... the judgment of the white mountain tribe's leadership is a great example.  she did not want to punish the innocent children, but she was a priestess, powerless even to protect her tribe... so she did the next best thing, by turning the inevitability into her favor.  She is a realist and in her core will do whatever to protect her people.  BUT she is a woman, and is not feared, hence cannot rule.

 

So will it be Saya who rules?  He certainly is level-headed, calculating and Ruthless.  what ever the end of the tale, there cannot be chaos.

 

 

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21 hours ago, bebebisous33 said:

Sorry to say this but it seems that you overlooked this post I wrote myself. See below. However, even if his upbringing was the reason why he sought power in order to free himself from that darkness, he made a choice as an adult. A man should be defined and judged by his actions and decisions but not by his words. Furthermore not every abused person will abuse their own child later... See, Ipsaeng has changed, even if it took him a long time. Tagon never questioned the society and their belief, he always tried to please his father expecting love and recognition from him. He was the one who proposed the plan how to eradicate the Neanthals and how to diminish the power from the Ago tribes. His plans were ruthless and cruel.    

 

Thanks for sharing your post and opinion. :)

Whatever you commented on Tagon bad character and his choices, it is what the writer's intent. Tagon is an intentional role, and a contrast role to ES, written by the writer. His intent is to magnifying how cruel, ambitious and evil he is to be a king. Using a villain role is a great storytelling tool. In a classic good versus evil story structure, the hero is motivated by the bad guys actions and this makes the story more appealing to the audience.

 

No baby born to be evil, it is only influence by external factors including upbringing environment and his journey of learning. We don't quickly define and charge a murderer on  the surface unless we try to understand and assess his initial motive and family background and other associated factors. As mentioned in my earlier post, the writer did not create a mentor for him to meet in his learning journey which I think it's his intention....I stress that it's because, everyone in our lifetime, if you ever met once, this good mentor can turn you to be a better person , a successful person, and help us to reach out to the right course of destination we want. If we refer to all the greatest heroes from the history that drawn from a wide range of eras and spheres of influence, they tend to meet some good mentors who can inspire them to grow and become who they are. That is why I mentioned earlier that the writer had done a good job in creating tagon role as a controversy one which is required in this drama. I hope you do understand my message. Cheers and have a good start of the day :)

 

PS : I remb there was a youtube video shown the interview with 4 main lead actors, when asking which challenging role they wish to play the most, the answer was all of them wanted to play Tagon role. :D

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