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after hearing your comments about Tagon, about how manipulative he is...it is very interesting to note that on the surface he does not seem manipulative at all.  In fact he seems like a very kind and just man who takes care of his people....someone who would sacrifice himself for the common good of the tribes. ...a true HERO!!!

His manipulation is much more undertone more subtle and effective.  He even manage to manipulate Taealha who is no slouch.

 

This reader hopes he picks taealha instead of the child tanya…. since the former is a great asset who can assist him with his dream, while the latter would not.   I don't see how the young ibutu can be king of anything.  Rather as he is, he is more likely to destroy the first kingdom than to raise it.

 

Someone may say, a world of small tribes is good...more independence, more freedom.

but kingdom has its advantage of efficiency, trades (chicken coops vs free ranging chickens),  technology and less chance of mass starvation and intertribal warfare.

 

This reader hopes that the end of the tale will be constructive and not a chaotic mess (like what happened with the failure of Western Roman Empire and the start of the Dark Age in Western Europe).

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6 hours ago, tiger457_stv said:

after hearing your comments about Tagon, about how manipulative he is...it is very interesting to note that on the surface he does not seem manipulative at all.  In fact he seems like a very kind and just man who takes care of his people....someone who would sacrifice himself for the common good of the tribes. ...a true HERO!!!

His manipulation is much more undertone more subtle and effective.  He even manage to manipulate Taealha who is no slouch.

 

This reader hopes he picks taealha instead of the child tanya…. since the former is a great asset who can assist him with his dream, while the latter would not.   I don't see how the young ibutu can be king of anything.  Rather as he is, he is more likely to destroy the first kingdom than to raise it.

 

Someone may say, a world of small tribes is good...more independence, more freedom.

but kingdom has its advantage of efficiency, trades (chicken coops vs free ranging chickens),  technology and less chance of mass starvation and intertribal warfare.

 

This reader hopes that the end of the tale will be constructive and not a chaotic mess (like what happened with the failure of Western Roman Empire and the start of the Dark Age in Western Europe).

I have to disagree with you. Arthdal was already united as this was a territory where tribes worked together. No tribe ruled the others but at some point, they forgot Aramun Haesulla's words and one tribe started becoming greedy. Now, with the expansion, they forced tribes to pay higher taxes for the White Mountain Tribes which led other tribes to starve. Notice that Tagon's father was trying to increase his power while relying on Asa Ron and Hae Miho, although in reality he had to ensure that Asa Ron wouldn't win too much. Samung made sure that people's anger was targeting Asa Ron and his tribe... that's why he killed all the thieves but let the leader live. The leader would say that Samung saved his life, and blame Asa Ron for the death of the others.

 

Sure, the Neanthals didn't want to join them but fact is that Arthdal was already an union of different tribes that worked together. As conclusion, a kingdom is not the right answer as such, it is about equity in reality. 

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@bebebisous33   Arthdal is a confederation of tribes (as you said a union of different tribes)….some what like the Iroquois nation where multiple tribes are united for their common good with some tribes (like the Senaca) dominate the confederation.

This is not the same as a kingdom where some leader dominate ALL.  In Arthdal there are two leaders (one religious and one political) which is not the usual for most kingdoms.  It is this division of power which causes a lot of conflict.

 

In a kingdom there may be multi-factions but usually one king.  This reader hopes that the young ubiti won't destabilize everything with the tribes reverting back to what they once were, before they picked up their current religion.

 

As for what happened to the Neanthal...it is the usual fate of less advanced society when faced by a more sophisticated one.   This reader is not sure if Arthdal really wanted the Neanthal to join their confederation (since they don't practice the same religion with 8 gods, nor have use for any arthdal goods or technology).  Most likely it was a ploy to disarm the Neanthal before exterminating them for their land....something very common in history.

 

 

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14 minutes ago, tiger457_stv said:

 

@bebebisous33   Arthdal is a confederation of tribes (as you said a union of different tribes)….some what like the Iroquois nation where multiple tribes are united for their common good with some tribes (like the Senaca) dominate the confederation.

This is not the same as a kingdom where some leader dominate ALL.  In Arthdal there are two leaders (one religious and one political) which is not the usual for most kingdoms.  It is this division of power which causes a lot of conflict.

 

In a kingdom there may be multi-factions but usually one king.  This reader hopes that the young ubiti won't destabilize everything with the tribes reverting back to what they once were, before they picked up their current religion.

 

As for what happened to the Neanthal...it is the usual fate of less advanced society when faced by a more sophisticated one.   This reader is not sure if Arthdal really wanted the Neanthal to join their confederation (since they don't practice the same religion with 8 gods, nor have use for any arthdal goods or technology).  Most likely it was a ploy to disarm the Neanthal before exterminating them for their land....something very common in history.

 

 

But while Tagon dreams of an absolute monarchy, Eunseom /Aramun Haesulla represents a different type of monarchy, like a constitutional monarchy where the king is bound to respect certain laws. We heard from the cult that there are rules, like no tribe rules over the others. Since it is said that Tanya will become a prime minister, it looks more like a constitutional monarchy, where you have an assembly... here it would be an assembly of the tribes, which actually doesn't exist right now. Only the leaders of three tribes are ruling this confederation.

 

Yes, the story of Neanthals is nothing new but this doesn't mean that it is alright. They offered them to join the confederation (meeting on the peak of the mountain) but this proposition was actually just a bait. The Neanthals would have been exploited. Notice how the other tribes are now exploited by Asa Ron and Samung. 

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Preview from tvN twitter. 

 

 

So excited to watch episode 5. Can’t wait for tonight. 

 

 

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17 hours ago, tiger457_stv said:

This reader hopes he picks taealha instead of the child tanya…. since the former is a great asset who can assist him with his dream, while the latter would not. 

Me too. Although I love the story and characters I'm worried about the love triangle. Tagon and Taealha have a good chemistry and an interesting history and dynamic so there is no need to drag Tanya between them. But even if it happens I hope they do it smartly and don't turn Tagon into a lovesick teenager and Taealha into a jealous and bitter ex-girlfriend. And if there is gonna be a Tagon/Tanya romance then I want a romance between Taealha and a hot guy as well preferably Itzrub because why not??:D I don't want my girl to be left alone. :rolleyes:

 

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If one doesn’t watch this drama in peace and carefully, it is very easy to get lost and confused. Couple times, my kids distract me and i yell at them for interrupting my focus on trying to understand what everyone is saying and doing. Then i turn off the episodes and watch again when they are asleep. 

 

I haven’t watched GOT despite being an international user here. So i am going to watch this drama without the thought of a GOT vibe. It’s better this way too. This drama really has potential and should be seen in its original concept ;)

 

@bebebisous33 hi chingu! Nice to see you here too! :)

 

 

 

 

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Sorry but Taealha girl is a two timer and annoying character to me. Don't see her as a great assest or smart manipulative person. Just my thought. 

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1 hour ago, Pangiaxiong said:

Sorry but Taealha girl is a two timer and annoying character to me. Don't see her as a great assest or smart manipulative person. Just my thought. 

She is a great asset because she is the the heir to the Hea tribe and Tagon needs them if he wants to be king. and one has to be smart to manipulate someone like Sanung and lead him into a trap so easily.

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On 6/14/2019 at 5:16 PM, tiger457_stv said:

 

Someone may say, a world of small tribes is good...more independence, more freedom.

but kingdom has its advantage of efficiency, trades (chicken coops vs free ranging chickens),  technology and less chance of mass starvation and intertribal warfare.

 

 

Everything is relative. A kingdom may be good or bad depending on who you ask and what circumstances. As things were and if they agreed to a nonaggression pact nothing else was required. Everyone would benefit; however, the leaders were greedy and corrupt which has lead to the atrocities we have seen. On the surface things may look good the union as they are winning and the casualties are the “others” instead of “us” , but as seen lives of people at the bottom doesn’t look good either.

 

The only benefits of the kingdom I see is security in case there was another strong force, that could repeat what the union has done. The tribes may have been created out of necessity; however, at least this kingdom is out of greed.

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I guess Tagon's Mother is the Woman that we saw in the first episode when all tribes meet...Quite curious what path and choice will Mubaek will take as like the prediction he recieved was that killing the "evil one who kills his father" aka Tagon means ending the Saram's world...

Gotta love that everything about Asdal on the surface is good,genuine when in reality is greed and fake...What u see really isin't what's real indeed...

 

Now i'm more curious than ever to see how they deliver the grand revelation that EunSeom is the true Aramun Hessulla...Hope we'll get some awesome moments of it,that should be epic...

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From an illegitimate son to a hero to God's messenger to God himself:D

 

It seems like they've been planning to take over Arthdal since they were teenagers. Well done!  I hope they give us a flashback of young Tagon and Taealha.

 

Tagon keeping his identity a secret for so long doesn't seem realistic esp considering he is a warrior. I'm so curious about his mother and how and why he killed her. And Sanung and a Neanthal? Weird.

 

Maybe if Sanung wasn't so obsessed with the prophecy and so cold to his son Tagon wouldn't have turned out like this. Both Sanung and Mihol were abusive to their motherless children and now they are paying for it. One of them is dead and the other seems to follow sooner or later.

 

And Wahan tribe...:tears:

 

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So Tagon is really an Ingtu. I din´t believe it when other people brought it up before because I thought as a warrior he would get hurt on the battlefild and thus it would be hard for him to hide his purple blood. But now looking back, Tagon was never active during any battle. It wals always the other soldiers that were doing the work while he stayed back. 

 

3 hours ago, Miky88 said:

I guess Tagon's Mother is the Woman that we saw in the first episode when all tribes meet...Quite curious what path and choice will Mubaek will take as like the prediction he recieved was that killing the "evil one who kills his father" aka Tagon means ending the Saram's world...

Gotta love that everything about Asdal on the surface is good,genuine when in reality is greed and fake...What u see really isin't what's real indeed...

 

Now i'm more curious than ever to see how they deliver the grand revelation that EunSeom is the true Aramun Hessulla...Hope we'll get some awesome moments of it,that should be epic...

Why do you think so? 

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Tagon being an Ingtu or another being i really dislike.. how was he able to cover that up makes no sense. 

 

I suppose he needed some strength otherwise when EunSeom and him fight EunSeom would destroy him. 

 

SO hes never been injured once in his entire life.. seems unrealistic to me. 

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2 hours ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

Tagon being an Ingtu or another being i really dislike.. how was he able to cover that up makes no sense. 

 

I suppose he needed some strength otherwise when EunSeom and him fight EunSeom would destroy him. 

 

SO hes never been injured once in his entire life.. seems unrealistic to me. 

I guess i wasn't the only one who disliked this plot device...Somehow takes the more meaningful aspect if now he as well is an Igutu...I would have prefered if he was a "cursed" human child because somehow now both are Igutu's....So,if people go around saying Aramun Hessula is an Igutu were would even be the great impact of EunSeom heritage i must say...And now that everyone believes and is happy that Tagon is THE CHOSEN ONE  why even fear being an Igutu as a weakness that Eunseom can have over him...I mean,if in the long run they would accept EunSeom as the chosen one why wouldn't they accept Tagon even more when they adore him and think so badly he is their God...I mean how would EunSeom even prove he is the chosen one,not like he can do magic...

I guess now we know why Yangcha most likely knows and keeps silent,curious if he is also an Igutu that Tagon spared...At least now EunSeom knows his Mother name and that something happened in Asdal with her...

 

I now 'em curious about Mubaek stand and who will help as the way it was delivered it made it clear that Tagon is the "good" one who fights the ones who would end their Saram world...I guess i want for some good guys to also enter the stage and help Tanya and Eunseom because too many bad guys everywere....

 

@Sarang21 It's just my guess,at the moment no hard evidence,just that i found it really strange the glances between her and Sanung and dissappointment in the Neanthal woman's eyes when their Chief refused to join hands tha night...

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1 hour ago, Miky88 said:

I guess i wasn't the only one who disliked this plot device...Somehow takes the more meaningful aspect if now he as well is an Igutu...I would have prefered if he was a "cursed" human child because somehow now both are Igutu's....So,if people go around saying Aramun Hessula is an Igutu were would even be the great impact of EunSeom heritage i must say...And now that everyone believes and is happy that Tagon is THE CHOSEN ONE  why even fear being an Igutu as a weakness that Eunseom can have over him...I mean,if in the long run they would accept EunSeom as the chosen one why wouldn't they accept Tagon even more when they adore him and think so badly he is their God...I mean how would EunSeom even prove he is the chosen one,not like he can do magic...

I guess now we know why Yangcha most likely knows and keeps silent,curious if he is also an Igutu that Tagon spared...At least now EunSeom knows his Mother name and that something happened in Asdal with her...

 

I now 'em curious about Mubaek stand and who will help as the way it was delivered it made it clear that Tagon is the "good" one who fits the ones who would end their Saram world...I guess i want for some good guys to also enter the stage and help Tanya and Eunseom because too many bad guys everywere....

 

@Sarang21 It's just my guess,at the moment no hard evidence,just that i found it really strange the glances between her and Sanung and dissappointment in the Neanthal woman's eyes when their Chief refused to join hands tha night...

 

I have not watched the recent episode so its 100% confirmed hes a igutu if so as you said it takes away the meaning of Eunseom being one to me. I agree why would people ever want some random Igutu other Tagon they never to execute this really well for me to believe it at all. 

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12 minutes ago, ForgottenSoulx said:

 

I have not watched the recent episode so its 100% confirmed hes a igutu if so as you said it takes away the meaning of Eunseom being one to me. I agree why would people ever want some random Igutu other Tagon they never to execute this really well for me to believe it at all. 

I mean i wanna see how they will turn around and make Saram people really see the cruelty,lies,surronding them because with the Prophecy that the Asa Clan Elder told Mubaek that Tagon is basically this good guy who fights the villains who want to end their Saram reign aka Tanya and EunSeom,like i wanted at the end a true union where people and the ones that now live as slaves at the bottom like on equal footing and follow EunSeom as their true King,i know it's utopic but it is a fantasy so anything can happen...

Yeah,it is 100% confirmed he is one....

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1 hour ago, Miky88 said:

I mean i wanna see how they will turn around and make Saram people really see the cruelty,lies,surronding them because with the Prophecy that the Asa Clan Elder told Mubaek that Tagon is basically this good guy who fights the villains who want to end their Saram reign aka Tanya and EunSeom,like i wanted at the end a true union where people and the ones that now live as slaves at the bottom like on equal footing and follow EunSeom as their true King,i know it's utopic but it is a fantasy so anything can happen...

Yeah,it is 100% confirmed he is one....

 

Eh i suppose they needed to make him have strength somehow and this was the easiest way even though does not make much sense to me.

 

I still think its a little early to reveal everything does anyone else agree to me the drama seems a bit fast paced and they revealed the characters cards to fast. 

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rating ep5 is not good (5,7%) because many Koreans down to their street to support U20. I can understand why the rating is decrease but when I read Knet comment, many of them say the plot is too slow, the characters and the time aren't matched,.... some say it is interesting. Actually, I am a fan of Korean films for a long time but it is the first time i see the controversy in the comment although it is ep5 now.

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