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[Current Drama 2019] Arthdal Chronicles, 아스달 연대기 - Sat & Sun @ 21:00 KST - Part 3 premieres on September 8th

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@bebebisous33  I think you are mixing up Mubaek and Tagon here based on your previous comments, their attire do look similiar.  It is Tagon who is keeping Tanya's father as hostage for 2 key reasons (i) to keep Tanya in check (2) to take advantage of the man's interest and ability to learn about this new world especially bronze technology which Mihol has the strange assumption that he has a monopoly on.

 

The Wahan's all underwent a drastic change as to the peaceful life as they know it, however they have shown their ability to learn, adapt and change which is what was clearly shown in the last 2 episodes.  The changes to their personalities with this tragedy came a nasty reality check.  The present them were isolated from other tribes excluding there neighbors until the Asa/Arath came and took over were of the belief they were okay and strong and blessed by the White Wolf.  

 

Mubaek is protecting Tagon's brother because his role is important in the future especially when the power dynamics comes in play.  Plus the brother, should he recover is likely to go on Mubaek's side in the future.  Tanya realized that the present her is weak and in order to become strong and fulfill her role to her tribe and Eunseom "E" must gain power by using the stone beside her (Saya).  Dalsae who did not understood and disliked Eunseom in the first place learned to appreciate "E's" efforts to save his people but at the same time confidence got shattered with his people becoming slaves and inability to save/protect them.  He experienced betrayal from his own people for the first time as well as they are blaming him for doing nothing as one is a weakling and the other a coward.  "E's"  underwent change due to his somewhat free interactions with Saram, however he did not expect to be betrayed by his own people i.e the coward.  That chained walk/talk was enlightening and "E's" horse calls him weak because that what he is at the moment.  But that is a typical kdrama or novel trope to transform someone from weak to strong through encountering hardships and changing for the better.

 

As for romance, not in a rush for it and if I see it in part 3, would understand because this part is focusing on Tagon's/Taelha power dynamics and the growth of the 3 children of prophecy and in a way some of the people of the disbanded Wahan tribe.  Mubaek, knows that "E" is of the sword but have not yet found the other 2 which is critical.

 

Looking forward to the next episodes as it looks like fun.  Take care,

 

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@chasen8888 No, I am not mixing up Tagon with Mubaek. It is just that you misunderstood me. :)

- Tagon used first all the members from that tribe as hostages. But once he saw how Tanya's father reacted in that workshop, he saw an opportunity. So Tanya's father has been sent to the Hae tribe as spy. In my opinion, he wants him to discover the secret how to make bronze weapons.

- Tagon made it look like a show of trust by sending him there.

- For Taealha, she saw it as a necessity because she could use him as a thread in order to control Tanya.

Then I said that Mubaek visited Tanya's father for two reasons. So in the preview, Mubaek visits Tanya's father and this is important because from that moment, Mubaek is acting on his own, while Tagon and Taealha are focused on destroying the Union and creating a kingdom. So far, Mubaek has not caught Tagon's attention. Mubaek will be the one who helps Eunseom to gather forces. Tanya's father is the lead of the Wahan Tribe. His words will have an impact on the other members. 

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I'm glad that even though this drama is a fantasy one, but it touches the most about human nature intricately. You can actually relate to it and to each character that you would literally still understand whatever things they're doing, either good or bad. Because we're all humans in the end, indeed.

 

And poor Eunseom, never gets to take a break. Tagon is now the union leader while he is captured as a slave. I wonder how he'll make a comeback. I'm still quite upset that Kanmoreu left him..ha ha.

 

As with Saya, I agree with everyone here that he's the most interesting character thus far, probably even than Eunseom currently. I won't say I like him or not, but I'm glad he cares for Tanya even not knowing as to why. Which I think has to do with him seeing her in his dreams (which isn't a dream actually because he's just literally seeing what Eunseom is seeing). The chemistry between KJW and SJK is just perfect. We haven't seen Tanya and ES together since they separated so I'm not complaining because at least Saya is still SJK :D. I get to see them together.

 

Happy to finally see Tanya upping up her game, I know many of you here said that we may probably not see pure Tanya again after this, however I still believe she will always be, but one who is no longer ignorant. Now, she even put a curse on Saya. She have the twins all wrapped up now in her fingers ;)...Eunseom bound to her by the name "Dream" and Saya by the name "Master". I remembered again when the director and writer said Tanya is the scariest character, now I get it, because of how powerful her curse will be. 

 

 

 

22 hours ago, deenchan said:

 

Also I love that short scene with the Wahan Kids. Makes me more firm in my resolve that The Wahans are the bestest tribe there is. 

 

You know, I totally agree with you. They are indeed. I feel sad for what they have to go through. They were just so happy and contented with what they have. Now, they are learning about human nature  the hard way, even to the point of betraying their once so-called brothers just to survive. I can never bring myself to hate them because this is all new to them. Dalsae, whom I actually quite dislike from the start, at least redeemed himself in my eyes from the moment he helped Eunseom and Tanya when they were being captured in the first episodes. He may not be Eunseom's number one fan from the start, but I like how he was so concerned about him, especially when they were beating him after knowing he's an Igutu. I hope he survives as well until the end.

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I believe that Eunseom couldn't use all his strength as he had been injured before. First, he was still recovering from the wound caused by Yangcha and later he got beaten by the soldiers. That's why he was weak.

 

However, we shouldn't forget that he is linked to the sword which means his fighting skills will improve and he will become a real good strategist. But he needs Mubaek's assistance for that. 

 

Tanya's power is symbolized by the bell implying that her strength will be the words. We already saw that her words ("dream", "master") have a huge influence on the people she talked to. She will be able to manipulated Saya and others. She already succeeded with Taealha, the latter didn't even dare to kill her due to the revelations. Even Taealha fears her as she has the impression that she is connected to the spiritual world. 

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2 hours ago, lightbringer06 said:

I'm glad that even though this drama is a fantasy one, but it touches the most about human nature intricately. You can actually relate to it and to each character that you would literally still understand whatever things they're doing, either good or bad. Because we're all humans in the end, indeed.

 

And poor Eunseom, never gets to take a break. Tagon is now the union leader while he is captured as a slave. I wonder how he'll make a comeback. I'm still quite upset that Kanmoreu left him..ha ha.

 

As with Saya, I agree with everyone here that he's the most interesting character thus far, probably even than Eunseom currently. I won't say I like him or not, but I'm glad he cares for Tanya even not knowing as to why. Which I think has to do with him seeing her in his dreams (which isn't a dream actually because he's just literally seeing what Eunseom is seeing). The chemistry between KJW and SJK is just perfect. We haven't seen Tanya and ES together since they separated so I'm not complaining because at least Saya is still SJK :D. I get to see them together.

 

Happy to finally see Tanya upping up her game, I know many of you here said that we may probably not see pure Tanya again after this, however I still believe she will always be, but one who is no longer ignorant. Now, she even put a curse on Saya. She have the twins all wrapped up now in her fingers ;)...Eunseom bound to her by the name "Dream" and Saya by the name "Master". I remembered again when the director and writer said Tanya is the scariest character, now I get it, because of how powerful her curse will be. 

 

 

 

 

You know, I totally agree with you. They are indeed. I feel sad for what they have to go through. They were just so happy and contented with what they have. Now, they are learning about human nature  the hard way, even to the point of betraying their once so-called brothers just to survive. I can never bring myself to hate them because this is all new to them. Dalsae, whom I actually quite dislike from the start, at least redeemed himself in my eyes from the moment he helped Eunseom and Tanya when they were being captured in the first episodes. He may not be Eunseom's number one fan from the start, but I like how he was so concerned about him, especially when they were beating him after knowing he's an Igutu. I hope he survives as well until the end.

 

This reader agrees with you.  To survive people do all kind of things, including betraying each other.  Look at prisoner of war camps where some people become the snitch, spying on the guards against their brothers so that they can have food and an easier life.  My own uncle didn't cooperate and end up  eating lizard and insects for lack of food... and he beat up a guy who snitched on the group, and ended up getting tortured by the guards almost to death....but he survived.

 

No we cannot hate these people who do almost anything.  we may despite them for their weakness but not hate them.  It is this selfishness that probably keeps this species alive.

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My remark might not be popular but...Tagon's character, as well as the actor who plays him, affects me the most. When he is on screen, the sheer charisma glues me to the screen. The guy radiates power. I may feel sympathy/understanding for why he is the way he is, but gosh..wow...golly-gee...that man is a magnet. :flushed: 

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I think the entire cast is doing an excellent job, down to even minor characters. However, I am loving all the leads' performance. They are very good in their own way and come together brilliantly. 

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20 hours ago, tiger457_stv said:

Saya looks like Tanya's sister with the lipstick on to hide his blue lips!  This is one Igutu who does not like martial arts.

SJK and Lee Jung Ki are both very pretty. Pity the actress playing opposite them if they are not extra pretty. Viewers like me get distracted easily. I think DOS with Song HK gave a highly watchable couple. I apologise to the Scarlet heart fans, but I don't find the actress very pretty and my attention veered to LJK when I should be watching them. I know, so shallow of me. :lol: I could not finish watching the whole show.

 

TY is pretty and prettier in Fight my way. But I am sure once she's spruced up here as Saya's woman, she will look great.

I saw TH in a detective show and thought she was good looking but not in the very pretty  group. Here she looks beautiful. The clothes and her bearing really fits her role.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Takingthehighroad said:

My remark might not be popular but...Tagon's character, as well as the actor who plays him, affects me the most. When he is on screen, the sheer charisma glues me to the screen. The guy radiates power. I may feel sympathy/understanding for why he is the way he is, but gosh..wow...golly-gee...that man is a magnet. :flushed: 

@Takingthehighroad   Tagon exudes power and confidence and (as you said it) charisma.  That is why most everyone follow him.  The only person who truly knows his weakness and uncertainty is Taealha.  He better not makes her his enemy.

 

@maribella said:  """SJK and Lee Jung Ki are both very pretty. Pity the actress playing opposite them if they are not extra pretty. Viewers like me get distracted easily. I think DOS with Song HK gave a highly watchable couple. I apologise to the Scarlet heart fans, but I don't find the actress very pretty and my attention veered to LJK when I should be watching them. I know, so shallow of me. :lol: I could not finish watching the whole show.

TY is pretty and prettier in Fight my way. But I am sure once she's spruced up here as Saya's woman, she will look great.

I saw TH in a detective show and thought she was good looking but not in the very pretty  group. Here she looks beautiful. The clothes and her bearing really fits her role.""""

 

This reader finds that how we think of people physically depends a lot on whether we like them or not.  If they play a part of a nasty villain that we despise, we don't find them that attractive.  Take the case of  Kim Ji won (Tanya)…. this reader saw her in The Inheritors/Heirs where she played the spoil rich insecure pouty girl and just want to give a kick in the buttock despite her modern expensive stylist clothing and impeccable hairstyle.

 

I find her much more attractive wearing rags with blood and bruises on her face (after Hae

Tuak use it for a punching board)… because of my sympathy for the girl.

 

Kim Ok Bin (Taealha) to this reader is some what more attractive in Yoona's Street where she played a pick-pocketer wearing ordinary clothing, although she looks very regal as Taealha.

 

As for Saya, I don't know what to say! Did they have LGBT back then too?!!  Song Joong Ki definitely can cross dress and look prettier than many women!!! Gulp!

 

 

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@maribellaaww IU is actually very beautiful in a subtle/simple way but I didn't think they styled her well as Haesoo for that show. As for KJW, she's also a subtle beauty and I didn't expect Tanya to be 'beautiful' a la Saya because it wouldn't be a genuine reflection of her character/identity. I agree with you though, she will be made more beautiful if she ends up as Saya's woman. 

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@stella77  this reader didn't like scarlet heart IU but MyMister IU looked very pretty.  Probably because of my sympathy for her.  As for Kim Ji Won as Tanya... the more she suffers the prettier she looks!  Maybe she needs a scar on the forehead like her father Yeolson.

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I chose this drama because i like the whole cast although without knowing much of the storyline at the initial stage, but so far, the cast did not disappoint me because of their excellent performance and the intense storyline. :)

 

TG (jang dong gun) has manly and charismatic look while Saya (song joong ki) played a "girlish" look on this role due to his made up and hair style and the role that he need to portray in such manner, but I am glad that SJK took up this versatile role, it will take him to reach greater height in the near future. Saya character is the most interesting one in this drama.

 

In any drama or movie, we need both good and villain character roles to create conflicts in the relationship and suspense or tension in the storyline. The villain role serves as an obstacle to the hero who often struggle in the process to overcome it. In most drama, the writer will create a contrasting and distinguishing heroic traits from villainous ones, before we can see any good one become hero, we will first observe the good ones went thru the suffering process (like ES/TY) before they can reach their goals.

 

Nowadays, audience are smart, it's hard to label the character upfront by saying they are bad, some storyline allow us to understand better on the villain roles' upbringing or past background that made them become who they are now, why they want to take revenge, why they want to hurt/kill people, all because of human weaknesses : greed for power and vanity, self-inferior on their race/background, being abuse during young age, or jealousy being inequality or human nature selfish traits in order to survive.........

 

The five character roles (including the twins) are entangled in this storyline and if we understand what the writer's intention, it is easy to relate to them in this cruelty world, but in a journey to a new kingdom discovery world that we are heading to very soon...

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After rewatching episode 8 along with the preview, I understood what @bebebisous33

 was saying about Mubaek trying to save Tanya's father first.  The thing is - is now the right time to save this person?  We are not sure if there is a time skip etc. at that point.  The reason I am saying this is that just like knowledge and maturity time is needed.  The father is learning a lot about that world but he has not gained enough knowledge to be more useful to Mubaek's aim to save the world.  Mubaek has already acknowledged that Eunseom is the real Aranum Haesella, but he needs to know about Tanya and Saya (find them) in order to achieve that dream.  Its the same with Tanya she is using Saya to gain knowledge and power so she has to learn about this world first.  

 

I am not saying that Mubaek should not save the father but when?  I think for now its best that the father stays where he is as its advantageous for all, I think when we see the episode we will understand more, maybe he is just telling him what his plans are etc.  It's not surprising that Tagon does not know that Mubaek has departed from his side because Mubaek has not shown any signs of disloyalty.  Tagon does not have the key information that Mubaek has, if he did find out Mubaek would have been dead already. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer is applicable to Mubaek here with Tagon.  What I do want is for Mubaek to find out Tanya's identity as the bell through her father letting him know of her ties to Eunseom and the fact that they were born when the comet arrived.

 

From the preview we see the fall of Asa Ron, the weakling crazed look at Eunseom - will he save or kill him? and Saya's increased trust in Tanya.  Tanya mentioned at the end that Saya will be her 1st weapon, so I am wondering what will be her 2nd?

 

Gone for now.

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Okay, I've watched all the episodes. Sometimes the story is going a bit fast, but the characters are sooooo interesting. Saya is amazing, he's a calculating guy, he's not that easy to handle and I though it'll be the opposite.

Eun Seom is suffering too much, I can't anymore and it's high time he reunites with Tanya. And though I didn't want Eunseom to die, the man who took his place, maaaaaan I was SO shocked, how the hell did he deserve so much suffering, it was really sad. To finish, I really like the underlying theme like: betrayals (when Eunseom was ready to rescue those 2 Wahans, forgot their names), civilization through Yeolson ( I think) 's eyes when he went to the library. It's a great drama, a bit too fast and schemes going on with Asa Ron and Tagon that I don't always follow but yeah I guess I'll need to rewatch it kkkk.

 

Ah just one more thing that made me laugh, I saw some people getting so hyped because of Jisoo, it was even trending on Twt worldwide but she only appeared like 5 seconds:joy:

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@chasen8888 I have been thinking about the reason why Mubaek says to Yeonsol in the preview, he would save him first. So far, Mubaek has never met Tanya's father, furthermore he has no idea about his abilities as well: creative, curios and intelligent. Only Tagon was able to perceive these qualities in the short moment he spent with him. Tagon is intelligent hence he could realize that he could use him for his own interest.

Taealha and her father think that Tagon will always rely on them because only the Hae tribe possesses the knowledge how to create bronze weapons. But Tagon doesn't want to be Taealha's puppet. So my theory is that Tagon will trust Mubaek and tell him what he plans with Yeonsol as he will charge him with this important task, taking care of Tanya's father. In my opinion, Yeonsol will play a major key in creating the force against Tagon, since as soon as he realizes how to create these weapons, Mubaek can take him away from Tagon and Taealha so that Tagon is forced to rely on Taealha again, furthermore Mubaek would be able to have the same advantage in order to fight against Tagon. However, he can reveal to Taealha what Tagon had planned to do so that she no longer trusts Tagon and turns to Saya because he will be introduced as Tagon's son.   

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On 6/24/2019 at 2:23 PM, ForgottenSoulx said:

I think Saya is a neutral character at the moment i do think he cares but he has to act smart and manipulate people in the situation hes in, hes done nothing to make me dislike or hate his character yet. 

Same ! I'm totally rooting for him for now. I just hope he won't hurt his brother it'll be too cliché. The 3 objects aka Tanya, Eunseom and Saya should just team up already !

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10 hours ago, Takingthehighroad said:

My remark might not be popular but...Tagon's character, as well as the actor who plays him, affects me the most. When he is on screen, the sheer charisma glues me to the screen. The guy radiates power. I may feel sympathy/understanding for why he is the way he is, but gosh..wow...golly-gee...that man is a magnet. :flushed: 

 

I mean hes a good actor and radiates power but i still dont really feel much sympathy.. to me sympathy disappears when you kill your dad and wipe out races. 

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