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[Drama 2018-2019] Encounter / Boyfriend, 남자친구

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All of you have wonderfully analyzed the last 2 episodes !! I couldnt sleep last night after watching Ep 14 and my mind was working out the possible outcomes for Ep 15/16 Here's my take on the list of possibilities..pls add on to them ..all are happy endings only!! Now with so many insecurites ..all of my endings end with CSH and JH getting married ..coz until they are married CSH will forever be insecure !! 

 

  • 1)CSH doesnt ask for break up ( yaaay)..somehow JH finds out and confronts mom and convinces her( or not i dont care for her now)!! 
  • 2) JH doesnt agree to her breakup , and doesnt give up on her and finds out the truth..tea lady/Sec Jang? or any of the good samaritans!! 
  • 3) They break up and JH is super depressed...JH mom realizes her mistake and apologizes to CSH and they get back together
  • 4) JH mom is hospitalized for some illness ( someone mentioned a hospital shooting?) and she apologizes to CSH ( maybe letter) and maybe passes away! This is possible since JH family is a super happy family and we are yet to see them facing any major issue!! 

Time Jump

 

5) JH agrees for time off instead of breakup and we see a time jump of few months during which time things get resolve..JH gets promoted  as team leader ( the open position in PR team) Maybe mom realizes her fault

 

6) They breakup and we see a time jump of 10 months ( just in time for Cuba hotel opening) during which time JH is promoted and PR team  and travels to Cuba and the magical place brings back their memories and they decide to get back together..Mom is ok by this time since she realizes how unhappy JH is without CSH

 

 

 

I would prefer option 1 or 2!! But ending 5 does seem probable since it fits with Cuba hotel opening timeline and the PD may try to squeeze our hearts more before making us happy..whichever option it is , it better be resolved in Ep 15..I cannot take more teary CSH!! poor CSH..

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36 minutes ago, stroppyse said:

Just watched episode 14, and I have to say that I'm impressed with this drama right now. I think it takes the drama from being just another romance about two people figuring out they like each other, and takes it through an entire relationship arc in a thoughtful way.

 

So, initially, it was about the JH and SH trying to figure out how they felt about each other, cocooning themselves in their relationship. Not because they were actively trying to keep it a secret, but because of their circumstances and their nature, they kept the relationship to themselves for the most part. Though people who were close to them slowly started finding out, as their relationship continued to flourish.

 

Once they had established how they felt about each other, they had to face opposition from people who didn't really matter that much to them, e.g. WS, Director Choi, SH's mother, the public. These were all people who opposed them for their own reasons, and for whom neither SH or JH had any particular regard or feelings for. And, they were able to hold on against them because they were people who didn't really matter to the OTP.

 

And, now they come across the last and hardest hurdle, the negative effect on and/or opprobrium from the people who are closest to them, whom JH and SH regard and love. So, it's JH's mother's opposition out of love and fear for her son, which SH had been expecting all along because she's the older divorcee who lives in a public fishbowl vs the sweet, young JH. It's JH's brother JM getting into fights over innuendos cast against JH. It's even SH's father who has decided to step down from his position. He phrases it as taking courage from SH's actions to do the right thing, but it's also a move designed to free SH from his ambition. If SH had stayed married to WS, then SH's father probably would have gone on to become the next president of Korea (as far as this drama is concerned). That is a momentous step to take any way one looks at it. JH is also becoming aware of how his decision is impacting his family, and I think that's an important step for him to recognize and deal with, which I think he's started doing. So, now JH and SH really, really have to look at it hard for themselves and into their own hearts. Is their love worth asking their loved ones to take the risk, with all of its potential pitfalls, along with them as well?

 

I think I've written on this before, that relationships are about more than just two people, even though we like to frame it as if only the two people matter. In the real world, if your friends or your family don't like your chosen partner, it makes it incredibly difficult on anyone. So, you really have to inspect whether the relationship is worth it, or whether it would eventually end anyway, in which case, why have everyone you love suffer for its sake.

 

So, JH and SH, having overcome all the previous hurdles are at the final one to overcome. I'm confident that they are going to overcome this hurdle as well. They are happiest and strongest when they are together. Also, they have a lot of people cheering them on now, including both fathers. And, JH was able to tell his mother how he felt about SH which may cause his mother to drink, but will also cause her to think. Now it's a question of how much does his mother trust JH to be his own man.

 

I would hope that rather than going through with breaking up with JH, SH considers their love enough to ultimately fight for it, even if she has to to her knees in front of JH's mother every day until JH's mother relents. (Only because going to one's knees is such a big deal in kdramas. :) ) However, I could see that SH isn't confident that she's really a good enough person for JH, and thus carries through with the breakup. If that happens, both JH and SH will suffer greatly, and the people around them who care for them will notice. It may require SH breaking up with JH for JH's family's sake and then having to watch both JH and SH suffer being separated for JH's mother to relent and realize that they are serious in their love and care for each other as well as for those in their vicinity. I'm willing to wait to see how the drama decides to take it. However, I'm even more confident that JH and SH will win out over this last hurdle to be together, and having had to consider over and over again whether this relationship is the one that they both want.

 

Btw, I have to admit that I really loved that the drama mentions that JH is SH's first love. SH may have gone through a marriage and a divorce already, but she never loved her husband. She was just doing her duty. So, JH is SH's first love, even as SH is JH's, as both JH and SH have both acknowledged now, even if not to each other. In that sense, it is a bit of an old-fashioned love story about love that is fated and thus can overcome all obstacles.

@stroppyse

Thank you so much for your comment to point out several points extracted from Encounter ep.14. 

 

I accepted that I disappointed with Writer Nim who created storyline for CSH to have break up idea poped up in her mind and probably is a choice CSH might decide in coming episode because the reason did mot convince to believe as many favorable situations and just one no-no from KJH’s mom, which is foreseeable.

 

It should not make such decision when KJH&CSH deeply love much more than just attraction stage in previous episodes. 

 

Love is about two people and their friends&family but sorting things out to wisely prioritize is thoroughly needed. 

 

What you mentioned that CSH’s first love in her life is KJH in the painful moment and vice versa when KJH told CSH he knews true love from CSH is still beautiful. 

 

 

 

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Just an ice breaker..

 

I’m feeling too ill to type on my mobile phone on what I think after watching Epi 14 eng sub.

 

These two can endorse a stone and it will still sell. Seriously. How gorgeous is this:

 

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We can feel KJH’s true love to CSH when CSH’s closed persons as Secretary Jang, Mr.Nam, and CSH’s dad mentioned about KJH.

 

By the way, CSH, let preserve this rare item as KJH by CSH’s side. 

 

 

CSH’s dad feels relieve when he knows that CSH will have KJH be by CSH’s side, she will not be lonely anymore.

CSH’s choice for her love life should count CSH’s dad’s to her decision. 

CSH’s dad’s feeling is not less important than KJH’s mom’s.

 

KJH has tried his kind and nice approach to explain his feeling about CSH to his mom.

 

 

Park Bo Gum’s and Song Hye Kyo’s Amazing acting as KJH and CSH

 

 

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1 hour ago, nikir said:

All of you have wonderfully analyzed the last 2 episodes !! I couldnt sleep last night after watching Ep 14 and my mind was working out the possible outcomes for Ep 15/16 Here's my take on the list of possibilities..pls add on to them ..all are happy endings only!! Now with so many insecurites ..all of my endings end with CSH and JH getting married ..coz until they are married CSH will forever be insecure !! 

 

  • 1)CSH doesnt ask for break up ( yaaay)..somehow JH finds out and confronts mom and convinces her( or not i dont care for her now)!! 
  • 2) JH doesnt agree to her breakup , and doesnt give up on her and finds out the truth..tea lady/Sec Jang? or any of the good samaritans!! 
  • 3) They break up and JH is super depressed...JH mom realizes her mistake and apologizes to CSH and they get back together
  • 4) JH mom is hospitalized for some illness ( someone mentioned a hospital shooting?) and she apologizes to CSH ( maybe letter) and maybe passes away! This is possible since JH family is a super happy family and we are yet to see them facing any major issue!! 

Time Jump

 

5) JH agrees for time off instead of breakup and we see a time jump of few months during which time things get resolve..JH gets promoted  as team leader ( the open position in PR team) Maybe mom realizes her fault

 

6) They breakup and we see a time jump of 10 months ( just in time for Cuba hotel opening) during which time JH is promoted and PR team  and travels to Cuba and the magical place brings back their memories and they decide to get back together..Mom is ok by this time since she realizes how unhappy JH is without CSH

 

 

 

I would prefer option 1 or 2!! But ending 5 does seem probable since it fits with Cuba hotel opening timeline and the PD may try to squeeze our hearts more before making us happy..whichever option it is , it better be resolved in Ep 15..I cannot take more teary CSH!! poor CSH..

I like number 4. Lol. And its a major possibility since jh mom was once very sick. So she might passes aways which will make csh to be with jh at those hard time. 

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I just watched episode 14 with English subs. I am a glutton for punishment

 

I’ll reserve my thoughts for another post.

 

Anyway, oh this writer and PD! They just had to show that scene where JH wants to go to Spain with SH and do the Santiago Walking Trail aka The Way of St. James! It’s this Pilgrimage that is really popular in a region in Spain. This makes me sad because we all know we’re not going to see this scene because they did not even film in Spain. Oh, the visuals that could’ve been!

 

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Aigooo :heartbreak:

 

I love how KJH is so in tune with what CSH is feeling. And I love that he never pushes her to confide in him. When he told CSH that Ms Lee is good at listening but not to expect any solution from her, it’s like he’s telling CSH that whatever she’s brooding or thinking that he cant say to him, she can tell Ms Lee instead.

 

I felt KJH’s mother’s guilt after they talked. And I think that was the reason why she had to drink by herself. She must have realized that what she did was out of line. By KJH prepping the chicken for her, she realized that she will never lose KJH. That his love to her is indeed different. 

 

I love how the camera was also shaking when it comes to crying scenes. It makes it even more realistic. When CSH was crying in front of Ms. Lee and when she was walking to her car after dropping KJH off the Police Station, the camera was following her. Literally, the cameraman was walking while shooting her without a stabilizer. 

 

I seriously cried a bucket while watching the scene with Sec Jang. Seriously. SHK nailed the parts when her face gets all crumpled up like that whenever JMJ reminds her why KJH is good for her. I love that she never covers her face or get conscious what she looks like when she cries. :bawling:  

 

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2 scenarios for next episode:

 

1) I think next episode, when KJH will give her the camera case, CSH will refuse the gift and will ask for a break up. I imagine KJH will strongly oppose this. Will tell her to suck it up because it was also his choice. I want that kind of reaction from him IF CSH will ask for a break-up. I want to be mad at CSH for even thinking of breaking up again. CSH needs to be reminded that the relationship was BOTH their choices, and NOT just hers. Fear is what CSH is driving her to ask for a break up. She needs to be reminded that she’s not alone in this.

 

2) KJH mom will be rushed to the hospital. KJH will bring CSH and visits her. KJH mom will ask to talk to CSH and to apologize for what she said.

 

....The latter is highly unlikely but I dont want to imagine anything else why SHK was caught filming outside a hospital.

 

 

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30 minutes ago, dukesa1122 said:

 

Aigooo :heartbreak:

 

I love how KJH is so in tune with what CSH is feeling. And I love that he never pushes her to confide in him. When he told CSH that Ms Lee is good at listening but not to expect any solution from her, it’s like he’s telling CSH that whatever she’s brooding or thinking that he cant say to him, she can tell Ms Lee instead.

 

I felt KJH’s mother’s guilt after they talked. And I think that was the reason why she had to drink by herself. She must have realized that what she did was out of line. By KJH prepping the chicken for her, she realized that she will never lose KJH. That his love to her is indeed different. 

 

I love how the camera was also shaking when it comes to crying scenes. It makes it even more realistic. When CSH was crying in front of Ms. Lee and when she was walking to her car after dropping KJH off the Police Station, the camera was following her. Literally, the cameraman was walking while shooting her without a stabilizer. 

 

I seriously cried a bucket while watching the scene with Sec Jang. Seriously. SHK nailed the parts when her face gets all crumpled up like that whenever JMJ reminds her why KJH is good for her. I love that she never covers her face or get conscious what she looks like when she cries. :bawling:  

 

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2 scenarious for next episode:

 

1) I think next episode, when KJH will give her the camera case, CSH will refuse the gift and will ask for a break up. I imagine KJH will strongly oppose this. Will tell her to suck it up because it was also his choice. I want that kind of reaction from him IF CSH will ask for a break-up. I want to be mad at CSH for even thinking of breaking up again. CSH needs to be reminded that the relationship was BOTH their choices, and NOT just hers. Fear is what CSH is driving her to ask for a break up. She needs to be reminded that she’s not alone in this.

 

2) KJH mom will be rushed to the hospital. KJH will bring CSH and visits her. KJH mom will ask to talk to CSH and to apologize for what she said.

 

....The latter is highly unlikely but I dont want to imagine anything else why SHK was caught filming outside a hospital.

 

 

@dukesa1122

Totally agreed with your comment and wanna highlight these sentences.

 

“ I love how KJH is so in tune with whatCSH is feeling. And I love that he never pushes her to confide in him. When he toldCSH that Ms Lee is good at listening but not to expect any solution from her, it’s like he’s telling CSH that whatever she’s brooding or thinking that he cant say tohim, she can tell Ms Lee instead.”

 

 I want that kind of reaction from him IF CSH will ask for a break-up. I want to be mad at CSH for even thinking of breaking up again. “

 

KJH&CSH can not have a healthy relationship if CSH often think about breaking up whenever someone else (eg. KJH’s mom or any other coming incidents) made CSH’s break up idea pop up again.

 

KJH might be in anxious stage or in panic disorder one day from CSH’s break up request now and then.

Obstacles can make people learn how to handle rather than discourage to give up.

 

Not being in relationship when feeling in deep love with someone might lead a person to not take risks but it can make people lose opportunity to be happy and enjoy love life too.

 

Last but not least, mutual decision making is crucial for KJH&CSH as a couple. 

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Let me add this because I think I forgot to type it (sorry I’m feeling woozy right now).

 

I want KJH to realize as well that he is not alone when it comes to their relationship. I want CSH to tell him that he has his family to consider. KJH should have a proper sit down with his family when it comes to their relationship with CSH. Not just for them to accept her but to what might happen to the entire family if he continues with the relationship. I cant blame CSH if she’s thinking of breaking up again after his mom practically begging her to break up with his son. I can’t ignore that if it was me. I want KJH and CSH to talk things out, communicate. Not just feel what the other is feeling. Coz thats what they have been doing to each other so far. They have been underplaying their feelings and keeping it to themeselves. I think this will be the ultimate reason why they will break up in the first place.

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I haven't watched the last two episodes yet... because of work. Anyway, I have been thinking about the possible future evolution. In my opinion, CSH's father will play a major role. Remember that he has decided to ensure CSH's happiness. So far, CSH has not seen anything what her father has been doing:

- the meeting with the man from the other party

- CJH met KJH

- the discussion between CJH and his wife

Then I would like to point out that JWS's story was developped as a contrast to KJH. So if we look back at CSH's first marriage:

- a trap was set up where JWS's family could claim for CSH's hand

- JWS's uncle convinced CJH that JWS was different from his mother and he would protect his daughter. The politician believed the uncle as he was a close friend. CSH agreed to this marriage after listening to her parents. Yet the reality was that JWS didn't protect CSH and the latter suffered so much.

 

Here, we have CJH who listened to his friend Nam but decided to meet KJH. However, unlike in the past, the father waited for a while, paying attention to KJH's actions before meeting him. So in my opinion, CJH could decide to visit KJH's father and ask for his son as his future son-in-law. I know, this is weird... but I sense that CJH might intervene and really help his daughter. Secondly, CSH had cut ties with her mother but maybe due to the conversation between CJH and his wife, the latter might decide to act differently. Notice that CSH's dream is to have a family. She thought, she could have her family with KJH's family... yet KJH's mother is rejecting her. So there is a chance that CSH might use her cooking skills for her mother, father and KJH. CSH wanted to belong to KJH's world... but what if in the end, KJH has also to leave his world as well and meet in the between. 

 

I also agree that JH's mother has been favoring JH so much over JM. Fortunately, the latter doesn't resent her or doesn't feel jealous as he is loved by JH and his father.     

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1 hour ago, gumtaek said:

To the art enthusiasts in the thread...do you know what painting Soo Hyun was looking at in this screencap?

Reverse image search in Google yielded no hits. I suppose it's from a local artist in Korea. Interesting choice of painting tho, alone and headless.

 

I wonder if it's the same painting WS' ex-"gf" gave SH.

 

@twtwb excellent point. I really feel for CSH, I really do. 

 

The hopeless romantic in me just wants this break-up not to happen. We only have a little over 2 hours of this series left. After that, it's goodbye Jinsoo forever. I want our last happy moments with Jinsoo to last an entire episode. I'm really hoping they don't drag out the angst for too long.

 

A look back on simpler times :wub:

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33 minutes ago, twtwb said:

But for me, Cha Soo Huyn's suggestion to slow things down in Episode 9 and her consideration to part ways in Episode 14 show that Kim Kim Huyk and his loved ones were in fact more precious to her than anything else in the world. Unlike the above "external factors" that she could easily ignore, they are even more than "internal", to the extent that she could even put them before her own self interests or her family's interests.

 

This rings so true, it’s breaking my heart :bawling:

 

29 minutes ago, bebebisous33 said:

So there is a chance that CSH might use her cooking skills for her mother, father and KJH.

 

You painted a very domestic picture. I would like to see a scene with CSH cooking Chinese or Japanese food for his family.

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2 hours ago, dukesa1122 said:

@NongpeeP

Let me add this because I think I forgot to type it (sorry I’m feeling woozy right now).

 

I want KJH to realize as well that he is not alone when it comes to their relationship. I want CSH to tell him that he has his family to consider. KJH should have a proper sit down with his family when it comes to their relationship with CSH. Not just for them to accept her but to what might happen to the entire family if he continues with the relationship. I cant blame CSH if she’s thinking of breaking up again after his mom practically begging her to break up with his son. I can’t ignore that if it was me. I want KJH and CSH to talk things out, communicate. Not just feel what the other is feeling. Coz thats what they have been doing to each other so far. They have been underplaying their feelings and keeping it to themeselves. I think this will be the ultimate reason why they will break up in the first place.

@dukesa1122

I think KJH is handling his family which might suit his family members’ way.

 

When KJH has not ensured whether KJH&CSH’s relationship would be strong enough or his parents i.e. his dad is okay to meet CSH, it is understandable why KJH did not formally discuss with his patents.

 

Plus, I am not sure discussion among family members suit all members esp. his mom who might be gradually handled with care and to change her mind.  

 

KJH’s love to his mom and KJH’s true love to CSH has been softly explained one by one between KJH and his mom.

 

As he explained his mom’s fear that CSH might change her mind from loving him is what he used to fear but it is not the case now, CSH’s love is his confidence.

 

KJH might have to keep affirming this fact to persuade his mom to understand him, his feeling, and his meaningful two women in his life.

 

 

1 hour ago, twtwb said:

There are many "external factors" that can affect a relationship. It can be about social prejudices. It can be about age. It can be about social status. It can be about marriage status. It can be about money or economic status. I have been in some relationships and I can say that these "external factors" matter. I have observed that, in some circumstances, the existence of only one factor among them can affect a relationship. 

 

Cha Soo Huyn has had to face all of these "external factors" in her relationship with Kim Jin Huyk, but she has never given up the relationship due to any of them. 

 

As we have witnessed, Cha Soo Huyn does not really care about how unrelated people look at her or how the press write about her. She is not swayed by the various attempts by her former mother in law and ex-husband to intervene (looking from some perspectives, it might be easier for her to come back to her ex-husband). She ignored the repeated and sincere warnings of her best friend. She does not let the fierce opposition/begging of her own mother affects her. She told her mother (in her face) that she would decide her own happiness. She is not even afraid of the potential damages and consequences that might happen to her hotels if she continues the relationship (and we all know how the hotels mean to her and her life).

 

In effect, to me, Cha Soo Huyn has done extraordinarily to overcome numerous "external factors" to fight for her love (I call it "extraordinary" because I don't think normal people in normal circumstances would be able to do it - and I am among those "normal people"). 

 

People might dismiss Cha Soo Huyn' as not valuing Kim Jin Huyk  enough to repeatedly request for break up from time to time due to external factors. But for me, Cha Soo Huyn's suggestion to slow things down in Episode 9 and her consideration to part ways in Episode 14 show that Kim Kim Huyk and his loved ones were in fact more precious to her than anything else in the world. Unlike the above "external factors" that she could easily ignore, they are even more than "internal", to the extent that she could even put them before her own self interests or her family's interests.

 

When Cha Soo Huyn suggested (in episode 9) to "take some time to think it over", the only reason was her concern that her boyfriend might get hurt (and she was not wrong). As she explained to Kim Jin Huyk, "the closer I get to you, the more your life seems to shake. I'm scared that all the eyes on me will turn to you". 

 

When Cha Soo Huyn considered parting ways (in episode 14), the only reason was her concern that the ones that he love and truly care might get hurt (again, she was not wrong, we already saw what happened with his loved ones, i.e., his mother and his brother).

 

As Cha Soo Huyn explained, when she and Kim Jin Huyk entered into their "some relationship/pre-relationship", she was not afraid of the implications that could have on her hotel (her own life) or her parents (we know how much she did for her parents), but she did think about his loved ones. 


More than anyone else, Cha Soo Huyn understands how Kim Jin Huyk treasures and values his family. 

 

More than anyone else, Cha Soo Huyn appreciates the happy and peaceful atmosphere that exists in his family.

 

As Cha Soo Huyn loves Kim Jin Huyk so much, it is painful for her to see that the happy and peaceful atmosphere in his family is interrupted.

 

As Cha Soo Huyn cares about Kim Jin Huyk so much, it is extremely painful that it is because of her and their relationship that his beloved ones are hurt. More than the approval/disapproval of his parents (she already expected not to be approved immediately, she simply asked his dad to watch them and she is not aware that his dad has decided to support them), it is the potential damages and chaos that she will bring to his loved ones, as confirmed by what his mother told her and what happened to his brother, that breaks her heart. 

 

People might wonder why she has not talked things over with him directly this time (she did explain to him directly when she suggested to slow things down in episode 9). As she explained, it was no longer Kim Jin Huyk per se, because "he already made  a decision to be with me who a life where everything works outside of common sense". But "his family never signed up for this". And "if I talked to him, he would ask me not to worry about his family, but he would have to suffer on his own".

 

Song Hye Kyo did such a good job in illustrating Cha Soo Huyn's struggle in Episode 9 when she suggested that the two of them "take some time to think it over" due to the concerns that he might get hurt (and she was not wrong). Again, she did an outstanding job in Episode 14 in showing how painful, difficult, and heartbreaking it was for her to even think of "parting ways" from the person who has brought her more happiness than anyone else in the world.

 

Contrary to the view that Cha Soo Huyn is being "unreasonable", I therefore find her thoughts, acts, and considerations to totally realistic, reasonable and understandable. and I believe (I hope I will not be proved wrong) that Kim Jin Huyk would agree with me when he finds out and that he would come to love her even more instead of criticizing her.

 

 

@twtwb

I understand what you tried to explain from CSH’s perspective.

 

However, I still have outstanding issues in my mind:

 

- CSH considers his family’s opinion important.

 

Could CSH consider KJH and his opinion important too?

 

If so, maintaining KJH&CSH’s relationship is one of most important wish that KJH really needs in his life and he informed CSH many times. 

 

KJH also consider his family members significant too and could CSH trust KJH and let him take some time to handle this issue with his family members before deciding anything?

 

Some crucial decision in life and in love life can take longer time to sort thing out with oneself or others’, rather than repeatedly hurt another feeling by sharply doing by oneself regardless mutual opinions and inputs from two parties in relationship are essential. 

 

Could CSH give a chance to KJH to try by his way?

KJH has wise approach to handle people, including his family members whom he has been with for 30 years. 

 

During watching Encounter ep.14 with subtitle, this kind of questions kept on poping up in my mind here and there from CSH’s sad scenes (alone, with CSH’s dad, with Secretary Jang, and with KJH) till I had to pause several times. 

 

 

I have been understanding CSH, much more than KJH for Encounter ep.1-13 because I believe in love with reality and factors in life as same as CSH, rather than love is love as KJH but just only in Ep.14, I can not understand why CSH did not priortize KJH’s wish and his happiness (and also CSH’s happiness) in her thinking scenario when other situations are more favorable till break up should not pop up too often in her mind and even worse request to break up action should not be solely decided by CSH.

 

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18 minutes ago, NongpeeP said:

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I think KJH is handling his family which might suit his family members’ way.

 

18 minutes ago, NongpeeP said:

KJH also consider his family members important too and could CSH trust KJH and take some time to handle this issue with his family members before deciding anything.

 

The problem here is, KJH doesn’t even know how much his mother CAN DO. Until now, he only thought that his mother was avoiding the topic. It changes things. He needs to be more agressive with his mother because his mother was agressive to CSH when she went out of line and used CSH insecurity against her.

 

While I am with you that CSH shouldn’t go on with the break up, I still believe that KJH needs to make his family understand (especially his mom) what he is getting himself into. He’s basically in a relationship with a celebrity. There are certain things they should and shouldn’t do at this point. It is more than accepting her as a gf of their son but all the baggage that comes with her. Can you see how much CSH will be asking for from KJH and his family? It is alot. I truly understand why she wants to end things than to bring his life upside down, rather his life and his family’s life. More than this though, I want both to realize that they will overcome the hurdles together, not apart.

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1 hour ago, twtwb said:

 

Cha Soo Huyn's Struggles

 

Many thanks @stroppyse for your post. I completely agree with everything you said. And I would like to quote your paragraph above to start my post about Cha Soo Huyn's struggles in her relationship with her boyfriend.

 

There are many "external factors" that can affect a relationship. It can be about social prejudices, age, social status, marriage status, money or economic status. I have been in some relationships and I can say that these "external factors" matter. I have observed that, in some circumstances, the existence of only one factor among them can affect a relationship. 

 

Cha Soo Huyn has had to face all of these "external factors" in her relationship with Kim Jin Huyk, but she has never given up the relationship due to any of them. 

 

As we have witnessed, Cha Soo Huyn does not really care about how unrelated people look at her or how the press write about her. She is not swayed by the various attempts by her former mother in law and ex-husband to intervene (looking from some perspectives, it might be easier for her to come back to her ex-husband). She ignored the repeated and sincere warnings of her best friend. She does not let the fierce opposition/begging of her own mother affect her. She told her mother (in her face) that she would decide her own happiness. She is not even afraid of the potential damages and consequences that might happen to her hotels if she continues the relationship (and we all know how the hotels mean to her and her life).

 

In effect, to me, Cha Soo Huyn has done extraordinarily to overcome numerous "external factors" to fight for her love (I call it "extraordinary" because I don't think normal people in normal circumstances would be able to do it - and I am among those "normal people"). 

 

People might dismiss Cha Soo Huyn' as not valuing Kim Jin Huyk  enough to repeatedly request for break up from time to time due to external factors. But for me, Cha Soo Huyn's suggestion to slow things down in Episode 9 and her consideration to part ways in Episode 14 show that Kim Kim Huyk and his loved ones were in fact more precious to her than anything else in the world. Unlike the above "external factors" that she could easily ignore, they are even more than "internal", to the extent that she could even put them before her own self interests or her family's interests.

 

When Cha Soo Huyn suggested (in episode 9) to "take some time to think it over", the only reason was her concern that her boyfriend might get hurt (and she was not wrong). As she explained to Kim Jin Huyk, "the closer I get to you, the more your life seems to shake. I'm scared that all the eyes on me will turn to you". 

 

When Cha Soo Huyn considered parting ways (in episode 14), the only reason was her concern that the ones that he loves and truly cares might get hurt (again, she was not wrong, we already saw what happened with his loved ones, i.e., his mother and his brother).

 

As Cha Soo Huyn explained, when she and Kim Jin Huyk entered into their "some relationship/pre-relationship", she was not afraid of the implications that could have on her hotel (her own life) or her parents (we know how much she did for her parents), but she did think about his loved ones. 


More than anyone else, Cha Soo Huyn understands how Kim Jin Huyk treasures and values his family. 

 

More than anyone else, Cha Soo Huyn appreciates the happy and peaceful atmosphere that exists in his family.

 

As Cha Soo Huyn loves Kim Jin Huyk so much, it is painful for her to see that the happy and peaceful atmosphere in his family is interrupted.

 

As Cha Soo Huyn cares about Kim Jin Huyk so much, it is extremely painful that it is because of her and their relationship that his beloved ones are hurt.

 

More than the approval/disapproval of his parents (she already expected not to be approved immediately, she simply asked his dad to watch them and she is not aware that his dad has decided to support them), it is the potential damages and chaos that she will bring to his loved ones, as confirmed by what his mother told her and what happened to his brother, that breaks her heart. 

 

People might wonder why she has not talked things over with him directly this time (she did explain to him directly when she suggested to slow things down in episode 9). As she explained, it was no longer Kim Jin Huyk per se, because "he already made  a decision to be with me who a life where everything works outside of common sense". But "his family never signed up for this". And "if I talked to him, he would ask me not to worry about his family, but he would have to suffer on his own".

 

Song Hye Kyo did such a good job in illustrating Cha Soo Huyn's struggle in Episode 9 when she suggested that the two of them "take some time to think it over" due to the concerns that he might get hurt (and she was not wrong). Again, she did an outstanding job in Episode 14 in showing how painful, difficult, conflicting and heartbreaking it was for her to even think of "parting ways" from the person who has brought her more happiness than anyone else in the world.

 

Contrary to the view that Cha Soo Huyn is being "unreasonable", I therefore find her thoughts, acts, and considerations to totally realistic, reasonable and understandable. and I believe (I hope I will not be proved wrong) that Kim Jin Huyk would agree with me when he finds out and that he would come to love her even more instead of criticizing her.

 

 

Having been a silent reader of this thread for some time and now I am in just to say that I agree with every word said in this post. If after reading this post, you are still not sure if CSH considers KHJ important or if her love for him is strong enough, I don't know what will. 

 

Of course CSH considers KHJ's opinions important, she even consulted him on how she should treat her staff after finding that staff betrayed her, but just like KHJ decided not to tell her about his meeting with her mother or ex-husband because that would put her in a difficult position, she also decided not to tell him about her meeting with his mother. 

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